Alternative Mega Theories

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For a while I've had an idea of a thread for potential mega-theories, that explain things at a higher and more satisfactory level. I'm talking about Big Picture thinking. I like ideas that can help us re-frame our understanding of reality from cosmological level. This has been my life's interest - I'm sharing some of the best ideas that are still plausible to me.

First caveat: I'm not really interested in conventional science and religion. I've looked into those areas (eg Big Bang + Evolution, science, world religions, the New Age, etc) and while there is truth in some or part of what these ideas discuss, its my conclusion that these theories are not that helpful. Even if they were an expression of the truth once, I think anything that has power to draw groups draws attention and gets converted into something that collectivises individuals - ie something that leads to a loss of personal authority. On that basis I dismiss most mainstream explanations, and instead I ask myself 'what are the alternative and plausible theories that explain our situation and resonate personally'? We suspect that the provided stories are not as we are told.. but what else is there? Is there any chance we can get evidence?

Second caveat: I don't know how this will read to someone unfamiliar with the ideas I have grouped. I find them plausible after sifting through such things - but for someone just starting out perhaps this could be intense or overwhelming! Or, more likely, the ideas could sound like nonsense!! :) (Just a few years ago, they would have been nonsense to me!) I don't know what kind of disclaimer I can put here, but obviously every individual needs to exercise their judgement and discernment - it may be that this info is something to come back to in the future.

Third caveat: Let me say I'm sorry now - to all those I offend by talking disparagingly about something important, or not talking about it, or whatever. This cannot help but be a personal, whirlwind tour of some interesting ideas. If it is of interest, then great - otherwise feel to correct me in the comments, ignore it, write your own thread, etc.

My hope is that one of the mega-theories below (or some combination of them) is closer to the objective reality. I'm also pretty sure we will never be able to point at a document and say 'this is the truth'! I'm absolutely not claiming to have 'the answer'! Hopefully the ideas will raise some interesting questions, spur the individual on, perhaps fill in some blanks in some way.. fingers crossed. Perhaps they will help us uncover the truth from within ourselves.

Just to touch on where I am coming from - I would describe myself as a pretty hardcore skeptic. :) I don't trust anyone or anything, I try to reject beliefs, I challenge my own faulty reasoning, I try only to accept what I can personally verify. What I don't know/can't verify is only a hypothesis to me, and I will let go of a hypothesis whenever I have a better understanding.

However, in looking for the 'ultimate answers', over time I find I have become more interested in the metaphysical/spiritual side of things. ('Metaphysical': 'beyond the physical'.) My position is that we live in 2 worlds - the physical (matter) and the metaphysical (ideas/'mind') - everything we experience seems to me can be explained physically and metaphysically. Even though we cannot objectively verify the metaphysical like we can the physical, I think it is still possible to say something useful about it. And that perhaps we can tie an idea from 'the spiritual' back to the physical in a satisfactory way. I certainly think that some of the ideas below have some explanatory value in putting words around the physical situation we find ourselves in. But no, I can't confirm that any of the ideas below are the truth.

My plan of attack.
Its quite hard to tie all this stuff up nicely! Some ideas are closely related, perhaps should come first, etc.

I plan to go over each idea, give it a number, a name, an entry of its own. Each entry will link to some information about it (eg someone explaining the idea more fully in a document or video), and then I'll throw in a couple of comments. For fun, I'm adding a 'optimism' and 'theory strength' scores too.
 
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1/ The Egg by Andy Weir

This is a fun, short story to start.
You were on your way home when you died.

It was a car accident. Nothing particularly remarkable, but fatal nonetheless. You left behind a wife and two children. It was a painless death. The EMTs tried their best to save you, but to no avail. Your body was so utterly shattered you were better off, trust me.

And that’s when you met me.

“What… what happened?” You asked. “Where am I?”

“You died,” I said, matter-of-factly. No point in mincing words.

“There was a… a truck and it was skidding…”

“Yup,” I said.

“I… I died?”

“Yup. But don’t feel bad about it. Everyone dies,” I said.

You looked around. There was nothingness. Just you and me. “What is this place?” You asked. “Is this the afterlife?”

“More or less,” I said.

“Are you god?” You asked.

“Yup,” I replied. “I’m God.”

“My kids… my wife,” you said.

“What about them?”

“Will they be all right?”

“That’s what I like to see,” I said. “You just died and your main concern is for your family. That’s good stuff right there.”

You looked at me with fascination. To you, I didn’t look like God. I just looked like some man. Or possibly a woman. Some vague authority figure, maybe. More of a grammar school teacher than the almighty.

“Don’t worry,” I said. “They’ll be fine. Your kids will remember you as perfect in every way. They didn’t have time to grow contempt for you. Your wife will cry on the outside, but will be secretly relieved. To be fair, your marriage was falling apart. If it’s any consolation, she’ll feel very guilty for feeling relieved.”

“Oh,” you said. “So what happens now? Do I go to heaven or hell or something?”

“Neither,” I said. “You’ll be reincarnated.”

“Ah,” you said. “So the Hindus were right,”

“All religions are right in their own way,” I said. “Walk with me.”

You followed along as we strode through the void. “Where are we going?”

“Nowhere in particular,” I said. “It’s just nice to walk while we talk.”

“So what’s the point, then?” You asked. “When I get reborn, I’ll just be a blank slate, right? A baby. So all my experiences and everything I did in this life won’t matter.”

“Not so!” I said. “You have within you all the knowledge and experiences of all your past lives. You just don’t remember them right now.”

I stopped walking and took you by the shoulders. “Your soul is more magnificent, beautiful, and gigantic than you can possibly imagine. A human mind can only contain a tiny fraction of what you are. It’s like sticking your finger in a glass of water to see if it’s hot or cold. You put a tiny part of yourself into the vessel, and when you bring it back out, you’ve gained all the experiences it had.

“You’ve been in a human for the last 48 years, so you haven’t stretched out yet and felt the rest of your immense consciousness. If we hung out here for long enough, you’d start remembering everything. But there’s no point to doing that between each life.”

“How many times have I been reincarnated, then?”

“Oh lots. Lots and lots. An in to lots of different lives.” I said. “This time around, you’ll be a Chinese peasant girl in 540 AD.”

“Wait, what?” You stammered. “You’re sending me back in time?”

“Well, I guess technically. Time, as you know it, only exists in your universe. Things are different where I come from.”

“Where you come from?” You said.

“Oh sure,” I explained “I come from somewhere. Somewhere else. And there are others like me. I know you’ll want to know what it’s like there, but honestly you wouldn’t understand.”

“Oh,” you said, a little let down. “But wait. If I get reincarnated to other places in time, I could have interacted with myself at some point.”

“Sure. Happens all the time. And with both lives only aware of their own lifespan you don’t even know it’s happening.”

“So what’s the point of it all?”

“Seriously?” I asked. “Seriously? You’re asking me for the meaning of life? Isn’t that a little stereotypical?”

“Well it’s a reasonable question,” you persisted.

I looked you in the eye. “The meaning of life, the reason I made this whole universe, is for you to mature.”

“You mean mankind? You want us to mature?”

“No, just you. I made this whole universe for you. With each new life you grow and mature and become a larger and greater intellect.”

“Just me? What about everyone else?”

“There is no one else,” I said. “In this universe, there’s just you and me.”

You stared blankly at me. “But all the people on earth…”

“All you. Different incarnations of you.”

“Wait. I’m everyone!?”

“Now you’re getting it,” I said, with a congratulatory slap on the back.

“I’m every human being who ever lived?”

“Or who will ever live, yes.”

“I’m Abraham Lincoln?”

“And you’re John Wilkes Booth, too,” I added.

“I’m Hitler?” You said, appalled.

“And you’re the millions he killed.”

“I’m Jesus?”

“And you’re everyone who followed him.”

You fell silent.

“Every time you victimized someone,” I said, “you were victimizing yourself. Every act of kindness you’ve done, you’ve done to yourself. Every happy and sad moment ever experienced by any human was, or will be, experienced by you.”

You thought for a long time.

“Why?” You asked me. “Why do all this?”

“Because someday, you will become like me. Because that’s what you are. You’re one of my kind. You’re my child.”

“Whoa,” you said, incredulous. “You mean I’m a god?”

“No. Not yet. You’re a fetus. You’re still growing. Once you’ve lived every human life throughout all time, you will have grown enough to be born.”

“So the whole universe,” you said, “it’s just…”

“An egg.” I answered. “Now it’s time for you to move on to your next life.”

And I sent you on your way.
(from: The Egg)

Perhaps this short story is 'too light' to be taken seriously and historically unsound (Hitler, Jesus?) but I like it for a few reasons:
  • It assumes we don't die after our bodies cease to function.
  • It talks about reincarnation, which I suspect is what happens.
  • It also touches on the idea of this experience being an opportunity to grow - we are actually at school and are here to grow. I actually have problems with the (pretty common) idea that this experience is all about growth and learning to love, but I'll come back to that later.
Overall, its just an idea but it seems as plausible as any other I've seen.

Optimism score: 4/5
Theory strength: 2/5
 
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2/ Thomas Campbell - My Big TOE (Theory of Everything)

Tom Campbell is a scientist who worked for NASA and also helped Robert Monroe in his investigations into the astral world. He has had 1000's of Out of Body Experiences (OBE), was trained by the best (Monroe, #8 below), and applies a scientific approach to what is easily dismissed as a woowoo subject.

This video is a really great summary of his work covering his personal history, the science, his experiences and his philosophy. It amazes me how much info he packs into just 2 hours.


View: https://vimeo.com/11005286


I really like this because:
  • he has decent reasoning for what he holds to.
  • he is basing his theory on personal experience - this is the 'golden source' of truth to me.
Still. I have some issues:
  • It seems to me that he assumes that quantum theory is a real thing. This is not a given to me: Is quantum theory a hoax?
  • Is it really all about 'love' and 'learning'? If we are reincarnated, why do we forget our previous lives - how can we learn like that?
Overall, this is a very decent scientific and spiritual synthesis - the best I'm aware of.

Optimism score: 4/5
Theory strength: 4/5
 
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3/ The Secret book of John, Gnostic Text

This is a short Gnostic book that outlines the gnostic cosmology. The book can be read here:
The Secret Book of John (Apocryphon of John)

Alternatively, wikipedia has a decent summary here:
The following summary of the Apocryphon is derived from Wisse's translation.

The text begins with John describing his own state of grief and bewilderment after Christ's crucifixion. The Savior then appears, takes various forms, and after banishing John's fears, provides the following cosmological narrative.

The highest divine principle is the Monad. The Monad is described as a "monarchy with nothing above it". He is supreme, absolute, eternal, infinite, perfect, holy and self-sufficient. However, his transcendent ineffability is also emphasized. He is neither quantifiable nor can his qualities ever truly be described. The Monad exists in inconceivable perfection.

The Monad produces from his thought a feminine divine entity or principle named Barbelo. She is described as "the first thought", and the "image" of the Monad. While Barbelo is always referred to as a "she", she is also described as both the primordial mother and father. She is also regarded as "the first man" and described in various terms of androgyny. She is the first of a class of beings referred to as the Aeons, and an exchange between herself and the Monad brings the other Aeons into being. Additionally, the properties of Light and Mind are born from the Monad's reflection on Barbelo. Light is synonymous with Christ, also called "Christ the Autogenes". The Light and the Mind engage in further creative activity, aided by and glorifying the superior principles of Barbelo and the Monad. Together, they bring forth further Aeons and powers.

Eventually, one of the Aeons, Sophia "of the Epinoia", disrupts the harmony of these processes by engaging in creative activity without the participation or consent of the Spirit of the Monad and without the aid of a male consort. The creative power of her thought produces an entity named Yaltabaoth, who is the first of a series of incomplete, demonic entities called the Archons. Yaltabaoth, whose character is malevolent and arrogant, also has a grotesque form. His head is that of a lion while he possesses a serpentine body. Recognizing the deformed, imperfect nature of her offspring, Sophia attempts to conceal it somewhere where the other Aeons will not discover it. The act of hiding Yaltabaoth also has the result that Yaltabaoth himself remains ignorant of the upper world and the other Aeons.

Despite the fact that Yaltabaoth possesses only a single parent and was created without the consent of the Spirit of the Monad, he is powerful enough to mimic the creative processes of the superior Aeons. He creates a whole host of other Archons, each of whom share his own basically deficient character, and creates a world for them to inhabit. This world is fundamentally inferior to the world above. It is fashioned out of darkness, but animated by light stolen from Sophia. The result is a world that is neither "light nor dark" but is instead "dim". In his arrogance and ignorance, Yaltabaoth declares himself the sole and jealous God of this realm.

Recognizing the imperfection of Yaltabaoth and his counterfeit world, Sophia repents. In forgiveness of her error, the Spirit of the Monad assists the other Aeons and powers in an attempt to redeem Sophia and her bastard creation. During this process Yaltabaoth and his Archons hear the voice of the Monad's Spirit. While they are terrified by the voice, its echo leaves a trace of an image of the Spirit on the "waters" that form the roof of their realm. Hoping to harness this power for themselves, they attempt to create a copy of this image. The end result of this process is the first human man, Adam.

Recognizing an opportunity to retrieve the light imprisoned in the darkness of Yaltabaoth and his world, Sophia and agents of the higher order, referred to variously as the "plenoria" or the "Epinoia", and later as the "pleroma", devise a scheme. They trick Yaltabaoth into blowing his own spiritual essence into Adam. This simultaneously animates Adam and empties Yaltabaoth of the portion of his being derived from Sophia.

Seeing the luminosity, intelligence and general superiority of the now animate Adam, Yaltabaoth and the Archons regret their creation and do their best to imprison or dispose of him. Failing to do so, they then attempt to neutralize him by placing him in the Garden of Eden. In this narrative, the Garden of Eden is a false paradise where the fruit of the trees is sin, lust, ignorance, confinement and death. While they give Adam access to the Tree of Life, they conceal the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. According to this narrative, the Tree of Knowledge actually represents the penetration of the positive forces of the higher world and the Epinoia into Yaltabaoth's realm.

At this point in the narrative, Christ reveals to John that it was he who caused Adam to consume the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge. Additionally, it is revealed that Eve is a helper sent by agents of the higher order to help liberate the light imprisoned in Yaltabaoth's creation and in Adam. She is created when Yaltabaoth attempts to draw the light out of Adam. This results in the creation of the female body. When Adam perceives her, he sees a reflection of his own essence and is freed from the bewitching power of Yaltabaoth.

The narrative then details Yaltabaoth's attempts to regain control over the essence of Light. His primary scheme is to initiate the activity of human reproduction, by which he hopes to create new human bodies inhabited by a counterfeit spirit. This counterfeit spirit allows Yaltabaoth and his agents to deceive the human race, keeping them in ignorance of their true nature, and is the primary means by which Yaltabaoth keeps humanity in subjugation. It is the source of all earthly evil and confusion, and causes people to die "not having found truth and without knowing the God of truth".

Following this revelation, the narrative then takes the form of a series of questions and answers between John and the Savior. These address a number of subjects, but are largely soteriological in nature. John asks Christ who is eligible for salvation, and Christ responds with the answer that those who come in contact with the true Spirit will receive salvation, while those who are dominated by the counterfeit spirit will receive damnation. Christ also reveals his own role as a liberating agent of the higher realm, in this context. Christ, who describes himself as the "remembrance of the Pronoia" and "the remembrance of the pleroma", brings light into the darkness of Yaltabaoth's prison. Here, he rouses the prisoners to wakefulness and remembrance. Those who receive and are woken by Christ's revelation are raised up and “sealed… in the light of the water with five seals”. They are thus spared from death and damnation. This aspect of Christ's role is elaborated on more fully by Nag Hammadi Codex III, whereas it is omitted from the Berlin Codex.

This concludes Christ's message. Finally, the savior states that anyone who shares these revelations for personal profit will be cursed. The Nag Hammadi Codex III version of the text ends with the prayer, "Jesus Christ, Amen".
(from Apocryphon of John - Wikipedia)

I am absolutely distrustful of the providence of the 'gnostic texts' - I don't know what the real story is. (I should do a post about this!) Putting that to one side, I do think the ideas that are relayed in the story are interesting.

The bits I like:
  • It explains each individual's sense of 'specialness' - we have a godly 'essence'.
  • It also explains our sense of confusion and ignorance - it is god that is doing it.
I don't like:
  • Is this allegorical or literal?
  • It does lead back to Jesus - that we need a hero to save us - we just have to have illogical, unexplainable faith. This slavish attribute, just happens to also be the same attribute all masters seek in their serfs.
Optimism score: 3/5
Theory strength: 2/5
 
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4/ IHASFEMR thread

Turning now to something home-cooked :), I think this thread is excellent and should be read by all here (if you have the stomach for it):

Evidence humans were created and traded as slaves, food, entertainment and material resources (IHASFEMR)

I don't know how @usselo put this together, but I think it is amazing, original research. Its a great shame that he is no longer around (why he left is something of a mystery) but I know he had much more to explain and go into. I'm glad to have contributed, and will continue to update it when I have something more.
  • Original research - certainly there is conjecture but this is based in evidence.
  • So broad, funny and insightful in many ways.
  • Amazing example of how history can re-frame our understanding of the world.
On the cons:
  • Its hard to keep a thread focussed!
  • Only a partial theory and really its asking more question - but then could any honest, historical research be anything else?
Overall, this is the best evidence-based theory I know of that meets my criteria of being personally verifiable - I feel happy about the evidence being presented. I have not read so widely and I'm sure there are other theories out there.

Optimism score: 2/10
Theory strength: 4/5
 
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5/ Free Masonry/Kaballah/Illuminati

If there is a group that is running this world (and it seems to me that there is) - an elite group of some sort - I think they must have a defined religion or philosophy of their own.

We can discern some bits of this - some people might call it Satanism, it seems to me to be based in the Kaballah, with implementations in free masonry, in the world religions and in the governance structures. I think it seems to be a religion as there is co-ordination, common symbols and themes, esoteric and exoteric teachings, we are immersed in a social reality they control (most culture) from the day we are born. There is also some element of consent required on our part - perhaps controlling the culture makes that easy for us to give as it feels so familiar to us - which hints at religion rather than tyranny. Is it magic or psychology, is it being directed spiritually? Who knows.

Whatever it is, I am not convinced by what is on offer - I do not want it. I do not consent to their offers, the collectivisation, their systems, their explanations of reality, etc. I seek out truth on my terms, I look within and to nature for inspiration.

I don't have much more to say about this, everyone has their own sources of information. Its a lifetime's work to try to unpick what this reality is all about and what to do about it. For further reference, I do think it is useful to look into:
What On Earth Is Happening - Podcasts

or to read the 3 books by Alan Watt (now deceased):
Cutting Through the Matrix with Alan Watt - Clearing the rubbish from the road to reality
(these may be able to be found online)

I'm not saying these people have the truth, but they do have lots of good information to get through.

Optimism score: 2/10
Theory strength: 4/5
 
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6/ Mark Passio - video

There is lots of great evidence in this presentation, great questions are raised.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiCnrn6LkUo

  • I like the fact that Mark is not stating that what he presents as the truth, but that it is the best theory that he had (at that time - 2013).
  • He presents a great collection of evidence.
There are certainly bits that aren't 100%:
  • This is a somewhat historical presentation, partly based on Zecharia Sitchin who I think has been discredited as using too much artistic license in his translations.
  • Mark over-states some things - eg that chimpanzees are 3 times stronger than humans - most research seems to think this more like 1.3 times.
I am pretty forgiving of some of the data that I think is incorrect, partly because I think back then that data may have been widely accepted. I don't think he personally verifies things enough, but he has read (and watched) a lot!

Optimism score: 5/10
Theory strength: 4/5
 
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7/ Non duality, Rupert Spira, trip report?

"Ommmmm... we are all one...."

Rupert Spira

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwXosKVO2yI


a decent podcast to capture what nonduality is about:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfN6bQB9_wU


a fun, 2 part 'DMT trip report':

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyJlJbHJCN0


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PANFJiWWv4


This is a hard theory to critique, but I want to critique it!

In the final analysis, I think this information is probably true. I think of it as the lesson that comes right at the end. But its just so bloody passively positive! Did someone has gone around and distorted history? "Omm, maybes, but, chill, we are all one". Your freedoms are being taken from you and you have to deal with the brain dead zombies all day? "Omm, be grateful, harder!"

I do suspect nonduality as a prong of what I think is the 'New Age psyop' - Rupert Spira certainly is a dodgy character to me. He pays his taxes like a good boy, doesn't foment any dissent - just accept and be happy! He likes to be a guru though!

In a personal sense, I think I am grateful for the experience I am having, even pain can be seen to have a value. But does all this one-ness put food on the table, pay the taxes? If its all so wonderful, why do I have to eat and pay taxes anyway - what's the point of the charade?!? Apparently these are not valid questions, once you have reached 'blissed-out level 10,000'. As it is typically presented, I suspect this is a type of passivity-inducing soma for the masses frankly, rather than answers an individual can use.

Still, at some level it is interesting.

Optimism score: 11/10
Theory strength: 3/5
 
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8/ Monroe - Loosh

This is another entertaining but disturbing theory. Robert Monroe is the grandfather of out of body research (OBEs) - he coined the term. This is a story that was relayed to him in one of his personal experiences, that explains our situation:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J96E6X_tsIY


Amazingly, after sharing this information, giving us the term 'loosh' and suggesting we are living on a 'loosh farm' as animals whose energy has been harvested by higher order creatures, Monroe then says nothing more about it! He just teaches people how to have OBEs, starts his institute... and that's it. Happy days!

Optimism score: 2/10
Theory strength: 4.2/5



8.5/ The soul trap

This theory picks up where Robert Monroe's loosh story leaves off. The idea is that as the physical world is a sort of cage - where we are born, educated, work, suffer, etc most of often for another's benefit, this is all a reflection of a very similar spiritual process. Spiritually, an equivalent loosh harvest is also underway in our lives and death. When we die, the same entities attempt to trick us into reincarnating - so we do it all again! This is to say, the control mechanism extends beyond the physical. Which is to say that the soul trap is pretty true to Buddhism - it could be considered as a modern reboot - if you want to escape the cycle or reincarnation and want to reach nirvana, you need to escape the soul trap.

This is an interesting example video, by Mark at Forever Conscious Research:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYIvF8QqJZI

and you can also read more about the ideas here, at Wayne Bush's web site:
http://www.trickedbythelight.com/tbtl/index.html

If you really want to get stuck in, I would look into the series that Mark did with Wayne Bush, starting here:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzzwWqzlxuU

I find the information laid out by Mark at Forever Conscious to be excellent. He reviews account of Near Death Experiences (NDEs) and OBEs. The accounts themselves are very interesting. But the people giving the accounts are normies (not aware of conspiracy thinking) - they think reality is unfolding naturally! Its very interesting to re-review these accounts from a conspiracy angle, and consider the possibility the conspiracy continues into the spiritual, as Mark does.

Optimism score: 3/10
Theory strength: 4.2/5
 
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9/ Carlos Castaneda, Active side of Infinity

This is a clip of a discussion that the author has with the shaman Don Juan
(With thanks to @Observer :))

Carlos Castaneda, Active side of Infinity

How to Vanquish Fear

"The sorcerers of ancient Mexico discovered that we have a companion for life," he said, as clearly as he could. "We have a predator that came from the depths of the cosmos, and took over the rule of our lives. Human beings are its prisoners. The predator is our lord and master.

"It has rendered us docile; helpless. If we want to protest, it suppresses our protest. If we want to act independently, it demands that we don't do so."

It was very dark around us, and that seemed to curtail any expression on my part. If it had been daylight, I would have laughed my head off. In the dark, I felt quite inhibited.

"It's pitch black around us," don Juan said, "but if you look out of the corner of your eye, you will still see fleeting shadows jumping all around you."

He was right. I could still see them. Their movement made me dizzy. Don Juan turned on the light, and that seemed to dissipate everything.

Don Juan said, "You have arrived, by your effort alone, to what the shamans of ancient Mexico called the topic of topics.

"I have been beating around the bush all this time, insinuating to you that something is holding us prisoner. Indeed we are held prisoner! This was an energetic fact for the sorcerers of ancient Mexico."

"Why has this predator taken over in the fashion that you're describing, don Juan?" I asked. "There must be a logical explanation."

"There is an explanation," don Juan replied, "which is the simplest explanation in the world.

"They took over because we are food for them, and they squeeze us mercilessly because we are their sustenance.

"Just as we rear chickens in chicken coops, gallineros, the predators rear us in human coops, humaneros. Therefore, their food is always available to them."

I felt that my head was shaking violently from side to side. I could not express my profound sense of unease and discontentment, but my body moved to bring it to the surface. I shook from head to toe without any volition on my part.

I heard myself saying, "No, no, no, no. This is absurd, don Juan. What you're saying is something monstrous. It simply can't be true, for sorcerers, or for average men, or for anyone."

"Why not?" don Juan asked calmly. "Why not? Because it infuriates you?"

"Yes, it infuriates me," I retorted. "Those claims are monstrous!"

"Well," he said, "you haven't heard all the claims yet. Wait a bit longer and see how you feel.

"I'm going to subject you to a blitz. That is, I'm going to subject your mind to tremendous onslaughts; and you cannot get up and leave because you're caught. Not because I'm holding you prisoner, but because something in you will prevent you from leaving while another part of you is going to go truthfully berserk. So brace yourself!"

There was something in me which I felt was a 'glutton for punishment'. He was right. I wouldn't have left the house for the world; and yet I didn't like one bit the inanities he was spouting.

Don Juan said, "I want to appeal to your analytical mind. Think for a moment, and tell me how you would explain the contradiction between the intelligence of man the engineer, and the stupidity of his systems of beliefs; or the stupidity of his contradictory behavior.

"Sorcerers believe that the predators have given us our systems of beliefs; our ideas of good and evil; our social mores. The predators are the ones who set up our hopes and expectations, and dreams of success or failure. They have given us covetousness, [* covetousness- an envious eagerness to possess something] greed, and cowardice. It is the predators who make us complacent, routinary, and egomaniacal."

"But how can they do this, don Juan?" I asked, somehow angered further by what he was saying. "Do they whisper all that in our ears while we are asleep?"

"No, they don't do it that way. That's idiotic!" don Juan said, smiling. "They are infinitely more efficient and organized than that.

"In order to keep us obedient, meek and weak, the predators engaged themselves in a stupendous maneuver- stupendous, of course, from the point of view of a fighting strategist; a horrendous maneuver from the point of view of those who suffer it.

"They gave us their mind! Do you hear me? The predators give us their mind which becomes our mind. The predators' mind is baroque, contradictory, morose, and filled with the fear of being discovered any minute now.

"I know that even though you have never suffered hunger," he went on, "you have food anxiety which is none other than the anxiety of the predator who fears that any moment now its maneuver is going to be uncovered, and its food is going to be denied.

"Through the mind, which after all is their mind, the predators inject into the lives of human beings whatever is convenient for them. The predators ensure in this manner a degree of security to act as a buffer against their fear."

"It's not that I can't accept all this at face value, don Juan," I said. "I could, but there's something so odious about it that it actually repels me. It forces me to take a contradictory stand.

"If it's true that they eat us, how do they do it?"

Don Juan had a broad smile on his face. He was as pleased as punch.

He explained that sorcerers see infant human beings as strange, luminous balls of energy covered from the top to the bottom with a glowing coat something like a plastic cover that is adjusted tightly over their cocoon of energy.

He said that that glowing coat of awareness was what the predators consumed, and that when a human being reached adulthood, all that was left of that glowing coat of awareness was a narrow fringe that went from the ground to the top of the toes. That fringe permitted mankind to continue living, but only barely.

As if I were in a dream, I heard don Juan explaining that, to his knowledge, man was the only species that had the glowing coat of awareness outside that luminous cocoon. Therefore, he became easy prey for an awareness of a different order; such as the heavy awareness of the predator.

He then made the most damaging statement he had made so far. He said that this narrow fringe of awareness was the epicenter of self-reflection where man was irremediably caught.

By playing on our self-reflection, which is the only point of awareness left to us, the predators create flares of awareness that they proceed to consume in a ruthless, predatory fashion.

They give us inane problems that force those flares of awareness to rise, and in this manner they keep us alive in order for them to be fed with the energetic flare of our pseudo-concerns.

There must have been something in what don Juan was saying which was so devastating to me that at that point I actually got sick to my stomach.

After a moment's pause long enough for me to recover, I asked don Juan, "But why is it that the sorcerers of ancient Mexico and all sorcerers today, although they see the predators, don't do anything about it?"

"There's nothing that you and I can do about it," don Juan said in a grave, sad voice. "All we can do is discipline ourselves to the point where they will not touch us.

"How can you ask your fellow men to go through those rigors of discipline? They'll laugh and make fun of you; and the more aggressive ones will beat the shit out of you- and not so much because they don't believe it.

"Down in the depths of every human being, there is an ancestral, visceral [* visceral- obtained through intuition rather than from reasoning or observation] knowledge about the predators' existence."

My analytical mind swung back and forth like a yo-yo. It left me and came back, and left me and came back again. Whatever don Juan was proposing was preposterous, incredible.

At the same time, it was a most reasonable thing; so simple. It explained every kind of human contradiction I could think of.

But how could one have taken all this seriously? Don Juan was pushing me into the path of an avalanche that would take me down forever.

I felt another wave of a threatening sensation. The wave didn't stem from me, yet it was attached to me. Don Juan was doing something to me, mysteriously positive and terribly negative at the same time. I sensed it as an attempt to cut a thin film that seemed to be glued to me.

His eyes were fixed on mine in an unblinking stare. He moved his eyes away, and began to talk without looking at me anymore.

"Whenever doubts plague you to a dangerous point," he said, "do something pragmatic about it. Turn off the light. Pierce the darkness; find out what you can see." He got up to turn off the lights. I stopped him.

"No, no, don Juan," I said, "don't turn off the lights. I'm doing okay."

What I felt then was a most unusual, for me, fear of the darkness. The mere thought of it made me pant. I definitely knew something viscerally, [* visceral- relating to or affecting internal organs collectively rather than from reasoning or observation] but I wouldn't dare touch it, or bring it to the surface, not in a million years!

"You saw the fleeting shadows against the trees," don Juan said, sitting back against his chair. "That's pretty good. I'd like you to see them inside this room. You're not seeing anything. You're just merely catching fleeting images. You have enough energy for that."

I feared that don Juan would get up anyway and turn off the lights, which he did. Two seconds later, I was screaming my head off. Not only did I catch a glimpse of those fleeting images, I heard them buzzing by my ears.

Don Juan doubled up with laughter as he turned on the lights.

"What a temperamental fellow!" he said. "A total disbeliever, on the one hand; and a total pragmatist on the other.

"You must arrange this internal fight, otherwise you're going to swell up like a big toad and burst."

Don Juan kept on pushing his barb deeper and deeper into me. "The sorcerers of ancient Mexico," he said, "saw the predator. They called it the flyer because it leaps through the air. It is not a pretty sight. It is a big shadow, impenetrably dark, a black shadow that jumps through the air. Then, it lands flat on the ground.

"The sorcerers of ancient Mexico were quite ill at ease with the idea of when it made its appearance on Earth. They reasoned that man must have been a complete being at one point, with stupendous insights and feats of awareness that are mythological legends nowadays. And then everything seems to disappear, and we have now a sedated man."

I wanted to get angry and call him a paranoiac, but somehow the righteousness that was usually just underneath the surface of my being wasn't there.

Something in me was beyond the point of asking myself my favorite question: What if all that he said is true? At the moment he was talking to me that night, in my heart of hearts, I felt that all of what he was saying was true, but at the same time and with equal force, I felt that all that he was saying was absurdity itself.

"What are you saying, don Juan?" I asked feebly. My throat was constricted. I could hardly breathe.

"What I'm saying is that what we have against us is not a simple predator. It is very smart and organized. It follows a methodical system to render us useless. Man, the magical being that he is destined to be, is no longer magical. He's an average piece of meat. There are no more dreams for man but the dreams of an animal who is being raised to become a piece of meat: trite, conventional, imbecilic."

Don Juan's words were eliciting a strange, bodily reaction in me comparable to the sensation of nausea. It was as if I were going to get sick to my stomach again. But the nausea was coming from the bottom of my being, from the marrow of my bones. I convulsed involuntarily.

Don Juan shook me by the shoulders forcefully. I felt my neck wobbling back and forth under the impact of his grip. The maneuver calmed me down at once. I felt more in control.

"This predator," don Juan said, "which, of course, is an inorganic being, is not altogether invisible to us as other inorganic beings are. I think as children we do see it, but we decide it's so horrific that we don't want to think about it.

"Children, of course, could insist on focusing on the sight, but everybody else around them dissuades them from doing so.

Continuing, he said, "The only alternative left for mankind is discipline. Discipline is the only deterrent.

"But by discipline I don't mean harsh routines. I don't mean waking up every morning at five-thirty and throwing cold water on yourself until you're blue.

"Sorcerers understand discipline as the capacity to face with serenity odds that are not included in our expectations. For sorcerers, discipline is an art; the art of facing infinity without flinching; not because they are strong and tough, but because they are filled with awe."

"In what way would the sorcerers' discipline be a deterrent to the flyers?" I asked.

Don Juan scrutinized my face as if to discover any signs of my disbelief. He said,"Sorcerers say that discipline makes the glowing coat of awareness unpalatable to the flyer.

"The result is that the predators become bewildered. An inedible glowing coat of awareness is not part of their cognition, I suppose. After being bewildered, they don't have any recourse other than refraining from continuing their nefarious [* nefarious- extremely wicked] task.

He continued, saying, "If the predators don't eat our glowing coat of awareness for a while, it will keep on growing. Simplifying this matter to the extreme, I can say that sorcerers, by means of their discipline, push the predators away long enough to allow their glowing coat of awareness to grow beyond the level of the toes. Once it goes beyond the level of the toes, it grows back to its natural size.

"The sorcerers of ancient Mexico used to say that the glowing coat of awareness is like a tree. If it is not pruned, it grows to its natural size and volume. As awareness reaches levels higher than the toes, tremendous maneuvers of perception become a matter of course.

"The grand trick of those sorcerers of ancient times," don Juan continued, "was to burden the flyers' mind with discipline.

"Sorcerers found out that if they taxed the flyers' mind with inner silence, the foreign installation would flee, and give any one of the practitioners involved in this maneuver the total certainty of the mind's foreign origin.

"The foreign installation comes back, I assure you, but not as strong; and a process begins in which the fleeing of the flyers' mind becomes routine until one day it flees permanently.

"That's the day when you have to rely on your own devices which are nearly zero. A sad day indeed! There's no one to tell you what to do. There's no mind of foreign origin to dictate the imbecilities you're accustomed to.

"My teacher, the nagual Julian, used to warn all his disciples," don Juan continued,"that this was the toughest day in a sorcerer's life for the real mind that belongs to us.

"The sum total of our experience after a lifetime of domination has been rendered shy, insecure, and shifty.

"Personally, I would say that the real battle of sorcerers begins at that moment. The rest is merely preparation."

I became genuinely agitated. I wanted to know more, and yet a strange feeling in me clamored for me to stop. It alluded to dark results and punishment, something like the wrath of God descending on me for tampering with something veiled by God himself. I made a supreme effort to allow my curiosity to win.

I heard myself say, "What-what-what do you mean, by taxing the flyers' mind?"

"Discipline taxes the foreign mind no end," he replied. "So, through their discipline, sorcerers vanquish the foreign installation."

I was overwhelmed by his statements. I believed that don Juan was either certifiably insane or that he was telling me something so awesome that it froze everything in me.

I noticed, however how quickly I rallied my energy to deny everything he had said. After an instant of panic, I began to laugh, as if don Juan had told me a joke. I even heard myself saying, "Don Juan, don Juan, you're incorrigible!" [* incorrigible- not capable of being affected by correction or punishment]

Don Juan seemed to understand everything I was experiencing. He shook his head from side to side, and raised his eyes to the heavens in a gesture of mock despair.

He said, "I am so incorrigible, that I am going to give the flyers' mind which you carry inside you one more jolt. I am going to reveal to you one of the most extraordinary secrets of sorcery. I am going to describe to you a finding that took sorcerers thousands of years to verify and consolidate."

He looked at me, smiled maliciously, and said, "The flyers' mind flees forever when a sorcerer succeeds in grabbing on to the vibrating force that holds us together as a conglomerate of energy fields. If a sorcerer maintains that pressure long enough, the flyers' mind flees in defeat. And that's exactly what you are going to do; hold on to the energy that binds you together."

I had the most inexplicable reaction I could have imagined. Something in me actually shook, as if it had received a jolt. I entered into a state of unwarranted fear, which I immediately associated with my religious background.

Don Juan looked at me from head to toe.

"You are fearing the wrath of God, aren't you?" he said. "Rest assured, that's not your fear. It's the flyers' fear, because it knows that you will do exactly as I'm telling you."

His words did not calm me at all. I felt worse. I was actually convulsing involuntarily, and I had no means to stop it.

"Don't worry," don Juan said calmly. "I know for a fact that those attacks wear off very quickly. The flyer's mind has no concentration whatsoever."

After a moment, everything stopped as don Juan had predicted. To say again that I was bewildered is a euphemism. [* euphemism- an inoffensive expression that is substituted for one that is considered offensive]

This was the first time in my life ever, with don Juan or alone, that I didn't know whether I was coming or going.

I wanted to get out of the chair and walk around, but I was deathly afraid. I was filled with rational assertions, and at the same time I was filled with an infantile fear.

I began to breathe deeply as a cold perspiration covered my entire body. I had somehow unleashed on myself a most godawful sight: black, fleeting shadows jumping all around me wherever I turned.

I closed my eyes and rested my head on the arm of the stuffed chair. "I don't know which way to turn, don Juan," I said. "Tonight, you have really succeeded in getting me lost."

Don Juan said, "You're being torn by an internal struggle.

"Down in the depths of you, you know that you are incapable of refusing the agreement that an indispensable part of you, your glowing coat of awareness, is going to serve as an incomprehensible source of nourishment to, naturally, incomprehensible entities.

"And another part of you will stand against this situation with all its might.

"The sorcerers' revolution," he continued, "is that they refuse to honor agreements in which they did not participate.

"Nobody ever asked me if I would consent to being eaten by beings of a different kind of awareness. My parents just brought me into this world to be food, like themselves, and that's the end of the story."

Don Juan stood up from his chair and stretched his arms and legs. "We have been sitting here for hours. It's time to go into the house. I'm going to eat. Do you want to eat with me?"

I declined. My stomach was in an uproar.

"I think you'd better go to sleep," he said. "The blitz has devastated you."

I didn't need any further coaxing. I collapsed onto my bed, and fell asleep like the dead.

At home, as time went by, the idea of the flyers became one of the main fixations of my life. I got to the point where I felt that don Juan was absolutely right about them. No matter how hard I tried, I couldn't discard his logic.

The more I thought about it, and the more I talked to and observed myself, and my fellow men, the more intense the conviction that something was rendering us incapable of any activity or any interaction or any thought that didn't have the self as its focal point.

My concern, as well as the concern of everyone I knew or talked to, was the self.

Since I couldn't find any explanation for such universal homogeneity, I believed that don Juan's line of thought was the most appropriate way of elucidating the phenomenon.

I went as deeply as I could into readings about myths and legends. In reading, I experienced something I had never felt before: Each of the books I read was an interpretation of myths and legends. In each one of those books, a homogeneous mind was palpable.

The styles differed, but the drive behind the words was homogeneously the same: Even though the theme was something as abstract as myths and legends, the authors always managed to insert statements about themselves. The homogeneous drive behind every one of those books was not the stated theme of the book. Instead, it was self-service. I had never felt this before.

I attributed my reaction to don Juan's influence. The unavoidable question that I posed to myself was: Is he influencing me to see this, or is there really a foreign mind dictating everything we do?

I lapsed, perforce, into denial again, and I went insanely from denial to acceptance to denial. Something in me knew that whatever don Juan was driving at was an energetic fact; but something equally important in me knew that all of that was guff.

The end result of my internal struggle was a sense of foreboding; the sense of something imminently dangerous coming at me.

I made extensive anthropological inquiries into the subject of the flyers in other cultures, but I couldn't find any references to them anywhere. Don Juan seemed to be the only source of information about this matter.

The next time I saw him, I instantly jumped to talk about the flyers.

I said, "I have tried my best to be rational about this subject matter, but I can't. There are moments when I fully agree with you about the predators."

"Focus your attention on the fleeting shadows that you actually see," don Juan said with a smile.

I told don Juan that those fleeting shadows were going to be the end of my rational life. I saw them everywhere.

Since I had left his house, I was incapable of going to sleep in the dark. To sleep with the lights on did not bother me at all. The moment I turned the lights off, however, everything around me began to jump. I never saw complete figures or shapes. All I saw were fleeting black shadows.

"The flyers' mind has not left you," don Juan said. "It has been seriously injured. It's trying its best to rearrange its relationship with you. But something in you is severed forever. The flyer knows that. The real danger is that the flyers' mind may win by getting you tired and forcing you to quit by playing the contradiction between what it says and what I say.

"You see, the flyers' mind has no competitors," don Juan continued. "When it proposes something, it agrees with its own proposition, and it makes you believe that you've done something of worth.

"The flyers' mind will say to you that whatever Juan Matus is telling you is pure nonsense, and then the same mind will agree with its own proposition, 'Yes, of course, it is nonsense,' you will say. That's the way they overcome us.

"The flyers are an essential part of the universe," he went on, "and they must be taken as what they really are- awesome, monstrous. They are the means by which the universe tests us.

"We are energetic probes created by the universe," he continued as if he were oblivious to my presence, "and it's because we are possessors of energy that has awareness that we are the means by which the universe becomes aware of itself.

"The flyers are the implacable [* implacable- incapable of being more favorably inclined, or gaining the good will of] challengers. They cannot be taken as anything else. If we succeed in doing that, the universe allows us to continue."

I wanted don Juan to say more. But he said only, "The blitz ended the last time you were here. There's only so much to be said about the flyers.

Perhaps this snippet is a fabrication - Carlos Castaneda has been criticised as running a mini-cult, and of making the stories up.

And yet something about the story rings true with me. It does feel like we are retarded artificially (via food, education, entertainment, etc) perhaps biologically - why not at a spiritual level too? It does feel like the more awareness you have of what is going on in this place (the mind control you were under) the less it is able to impact you. I don't say that the shadows are literal - but I'm not a shaman. The pattern and description of what is being conveyed, is close to my experience though. Its also got similarities to the idea that Bob Monroe lays out, re loosh (#8).

Optimism score: 2/10
Theory strength: 3.5/5
 
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10 + 11 - Honourable mentions

10/ Solipsism (briefly)


In my understanding is the possibility that there is only 'me' and the world I perceive is an illusion - but what's to say? It ties in with non-duality too - but better stated as: "Ommmmm... I am one.... duh"

Optimism score: 2/10
Theory strength: 4/5

11/ Simulation theory (briefly)

This is a mainstream idea, promoted by Elon Mush et al, with Nick Bostrom as the main exponenent.
WHAT IS SIMULATION THEORY? — Stranger Times.

I actually heard about it via a video where James Gates discusses it - this video is a decent summary:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZQv1wWnOm0

James Gates' conception - that he thinks he sees code in physics - potentially fits in with what Tom Campbell sees. Its also possible to me that he is seeing some sort of reflection of his methodology in what he thinks are independent findings - but who knows?

Optimism score: 2/10
Theory strength: 3/5
 
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9 Mexican pre-Columbian tradition and 10 Solipsism are the same. Only perception exists and one creates the imaginary self that interacts within the perceived world. All is imagination. The body is entirely a projection of the mind.

Hence I am You and You are Me. I'm looking at the imaginary Me that I have created instead of seeing myself as the whole.

We are all part of the dream of the creator.

I am the creator of my own experience.
 
9 Mexican pre-Columbian tradition and 10 Solipsism are the same. Only perception exists and one creates the imaginary self that interacts within the perceived world. All is imagination. The body is entirely a projection of the mind.

Hence I am You and You are Me. I'm looking at the imaginary Me that I have created instead of seeing myself as the whole.

We are all part of the dream of the creator.

I am the creator of my own experience.
Hmm - I don't see it.

The shaman in the Carlos Castaneda story is talking about entities eating energy from people - perhaps this could be seen as a similar story to loosh. Its a pretty specific description.

Its not solipsism though - they do think there are other people and entities around. At a push, perhaps non-duality is a type of solipsism. But even this acknowledges that there are different individuals around.
 
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It might seem strange and off subject, but I believe one way of tapping into another dimension is by tripping. I am not saying that everyone should go out and get wasted, I am looking at it from a shaman perspective. When I was quite a bit younger, twenty years ago I must say now, I did some mushrooms, only a couple of times, and saw many things that were of another realm.

My boyfriend, (the father of my eldest child) and I at the time were young and stupid and decided to trip out. As time passed on in the night I remember discussing something and when I turned to look at him I saw the right side of his face which had turned into a serpent face. A lizard hybrid face. It scared me but at the same time I was aware at that time and place, that other dimensions and beings exist. It sounds pretty crazy, but sometimes we as humans can connect to other dimensions, its just that this ability was taken from us, erased from our minds in the recent past, and hallucinogenic herbs are one way of connecting.
 
It might seem strange and off subject, but I believe one way of tapping into another dimension is by tripping.
While I don't want to get in to a general discussion about drugs in what is already a pretty already broad thread - I think you are on point. I do agree that drugs can facilitate a personal, spiritual experience. Whatever we are talking about, personal experience aka anecdotal evidence is something we can know. We know what we experience.

Along with drugs, I think there are a few other ways to gain some sort of metaphysical experience, and I would include: meditation, madness, philosophy, 'healthy living', religion and religious practices, out-of-body experience (astral projection), near-death-experiences, pre-birth memories. Of course, with this sort of area of investigation, we can only know what we ourselves experience - but if you have had one or more of these sorts of experience and it fits well with one of these ideas, surely you would become pretty convinced.

I would still wonder though, whether there is any possibility of trickery, inter-dimensional trickery even - I'm just suspicious I suppose.. :)
 
I do like this thread.
It's exactly what I was thinking some time ago. There are many theories and ways of thought that lead our own individual internalization of concepts. Personally, as of right now, I'll go with a combination of a "Soul catching net reality" combined with the degradation of it as IHASFEMR.
The film "Jupiter Ascending" did reveal how whole planets with humans were meant to be soul-harvested and there were owners of those planets. The owners were people just like us, but better than us with a legal system put in place for ownership of the "livestock". And they were refining these souls into some type of Elixir of life, which was really valuable for them.

Even though IHASFEMRS gives creepy vibes and it is very much in tune with what ever that Q-group is putting out. It's meant to reveal some dark truths and be disturbing enough, in the process of it to ferment, disgust, creepiness, and ultimately angryness with a sense for justice, leading to rebellion against that kind of practices and whomever does it.

And where that rebellion will might be aimed to?

I guess against any sort of government representatives being named the culprit of it. The fall of the government organization as we know.

And where that fall leads to?

It leads to the fall of the REPUBLIC!

All that anger will be used to create chaos. And we all know what comes out of chaos.

It's ORDER!

Yes. The 4-th industrial Revolution will take place as a solution to the previews problem. The Republic is the last safe heaven for citizen's rights, and someone want's to bring it down by the very own people that support it. That's the true face of evil!

The Republic MUST NOT fall!
 
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1/ The Egg by Andy Weir

This is a fun, short story to start.

(from: The Egg)

Perhaps this short story is 'too light' to be taken seriously and historically unsound (Hitler, Jesus?) but I like it for a few reasons:
  • It assumes we don't die after our bodies cease to function.
  • It talks about reincarnation, which I suspect is what happens.
  • It also touches on the idea of this experience being an opportunity to grow - we are actually at school and are here to grow. I actually have problems with the (pretty common) idea that this experience is all about growth and learning to love, but I'll come back to that later.
Overall, its just an idea but it seems as plausible as any other I've seen.

Optimism score: 4/5
Theory strength: 2/5

I really like this thread, but I feel the Egg has a better candidate to elaborate on this idea.

Dr Michael Newton did a lot of research into the Life Between Lives (LBL) through hypnosis. I've read 1000 of these sessions and if we dared to look at this scientifically we would come to a similar conclusion as the Egg. Except that the egg is very basic and miss the fact that so much is going on between our physical lives. He explains a whole complex world on the other side, which quite nice follows the principles of 'As above, so below', especially if you compare to old world cultures.

Also, what he is describing fits very much the simulation theory, with life as kind of a VR exam or exercise in your soul life, but it's only if you don't see the duality you would call it a simulation.

If you're interested I would love to make a write up of the "other world" Michael Newton describes after questioning 8000+ patients in hypnosis.
 
I really like this thread, but I feel the Egg has a better candidate to elaborate on this idea.

Dr Michael Newton did a lot of research into the Life Between Lives (LBL) through hypnosis. I've read 1000 of these sessions and if we dared to look at this scientifically we would come to a similar conclusion as the Egg. Except that the egg is very basic and miss the fact that so much is going on between our physical lives. He explains a whole complex world on the other side, which quite nice follows the principles of 'As above, so below', especially if you compare to old world cultures.

Also, what he is describing fits very much the simulation theory, with life as kind of a VR exam or exercise in your soul life, but it's only if you don't see the duality you would call it a simulation.

If you're interested I would love to make a write up of the "other world" Michael Newton describes after questioning 8000+ patients in hypnosis.

I think if you have a theory that you can outline and you have the inclination to do so, please do! I would certainly be interested to read about it. Do it!

I am familiar with Michael Newton - he does regression therapy to gain the info you talk about. I have read some of his work.

There is a question for me over all information relating to these sorts of accounts - which is that they are hard to confirm. NDEs are the best of this sort of information - when they are out of body they report details from nearby rooms or what relatives where doing that they couldn't possibly have known if they were actually in their body. But even NDEs are not coherent with other stuff we know - its always a bit hit and miss. The problem with regression therapy is that it seems to me to be the least objectively verifiable source of info. I do have time for it though.

Are you also familiar with the 'soul trap' idea I linked to in #8.5 (https://stolenhistory.net/threads/alternative-mega-theories.6114/post-114201)? Its actually possible to view all these sorts of accounts from a different perspective.. It might be as the person giving the account says or it might be that they were tricked or couldn't conceive that something more was afoot. The same account can be understood in multiple ways.

Forever Conscious did 2 series on both Patrick Mewton's books, tackling them from that perspective, which you will probably be interested in - here are links to the playlists:

View: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLi7UO7p_bDMEHtoYaL3oNEv5NC_qPxHrx


View: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLi7UO7p_bDMGeTwJEgdzDQ571Dd9wWArx


I have to say, I haven't listened to these - but all his other work has been excellent.
 
I think if you have a theory that you can outline and you have the inclination to do so, please do! I would certainly be interested to read about it. Do it!

I am familiar with Michael Newton - he does regression therapy to gain the info you talk about. I have read some of his work.

There is a question for me over all information relating to these sorts of accounts - which is that they are hard to confirm. NDEs are the best of this sort of information - when they are out of body they report details from nearby rooms or what relatives where doing that they couldn't possibly have known if they were actually in their body. But even NDEs are not coherent with other stuff we know - its always a bit hit and miss. The problem with regression therapy is that it seems to me to be the least objectively verifiable source of info. I do have time for it though.

Are you also familiar with the 'soul trap' idea I linked to in #8.5 (https://stolenhistory.net/threads/alternative-mega-theories.6114/post-114201)? Its actually possible to view all these sorts of accounts from a different perspective.. It might be as the person giving the account says or it might be that they were tricked or couldn't conceive that something more was afoot. The same account can be understood in multiple ways.

Forever Conscious did 2 series on both Patrick Mewton's books, tackling them from that perspective, which you will probably be interested in - here are links to the playlists:

View: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLi7UO7p_bDMEHtoYaL3oNEv5NC_qPxHrx


View: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLi7UO7p_bDMGeTwJEgdzDQ571Dd9wWArx


I have to say, I haven't listened to these - but all his other work has been excellent.


Thanks for your response. Of course you have to take it with a good portion of skepticism as always :)

I see all of his research like a kind of interviews with children. How would children in the kindergarten describe the world they live in? Probably how they have been taught. Nevertheless I think there are some key concepts hidden in his research.

I'll check out the soul trap and get back with my comments. I had an idea something fishy was going on :p
 
I see all of his research like a kind of interviews with children. How would children in the kindergarten describe the world they live in? Probably how they have been taught. Nevertheless I think there are some key concepts hidden in his research.

I'll check out the soul trap and get back with my comments. I had an idea something fishy was going on :p
I definitely think there is more going on than is stated in Michael Newton's research. Even if its just trying to understand how much the people he hypnotised are guided by him.

In general, I often find that people are very certain that its this or that. Personally I don't know how you can get to that level of certainty, unless its via personal experience. And even then, if the soul trap is real, it could be that those people that have had personal experience (eg via an NDE or OBE) are wrong.

I bear in mind that its not like I've never misunderstood something or never been tricked. So, for the moment, I hold that there are multiple ways to interpret info on the metaphysical - there's room for the egg (or a naive interpretation of an NDE/OBE/regression experience) and a more conspiracy minded approach, as well as whatever else.. And I'm not sure we'll even have a handle on the 'true' perspective in this life and the next. I only hope that in investigating this stuff we are able to hone ourselves and work on better answers - ie that we are developing ourselves.
 
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