SH Archive Any clue as to whose these ships are?

[Jd755]

Or where they are or what is going on?

Found it when searching for le redoubtable pctures cannot recall where so no link.

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i think maybe thats the hms victory being brought in for repairs in 1887 after she almost sank

 

[Jd755]

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i think maybe thats the hms victory being brought in for repairs in 1887 after she almost sank

Thanks for that. Not sure it is as the stern of the ship between the cranes is different to the stern in these etchings and there does appear to be a steam tug in use or at least a funnel can be seen between the centre ships masts or it is actually steam and sail powered, hard to tell.
Wonder what that pair of cranes are made of.


1851 – 1931

HMS Victory in dry dock, crossing the main yard with submarine berthed outside the dock

"William Lionel Wyllie R.A. is considered by many to be the leading British marine artist of his period, his work is in the Royal collection, the Tate, the Royal Academy,"

 

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Date: 2019-01-16 14:45:29
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its actually the french port of brest so its a french warship circa 1850-1880 and the cranes are a bridge under construction

 

[Jd755]

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Date: 2019-01-16 15:03:47
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The ship looks to be hms marlborough. Question remains where is the port. There is a castle in the background which rules out portsmouth could be valetta as this ship spent most its career in the med based at malta.



She was converted to screw propulsion whilst on the stocks apparently.
Mid-Victorian RN vessel HMS Marlborough

Thankyou kind sir. It is indeed Brest and the ship must be La Bretagne.



Following her useful service life, Bretagne was then set by the French Navy as a floating barracks ship from 1866 onwards. Her military career then ended in 1879 when she was formally struck from the naval register.

Sorted.

 

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Date: 2019-01-16 15:08:32
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its here. its the turning [tournant] bridge

brest port 1880 - Google Search

note the 3rd picture of the redoubtable at brest. probably how your pic popped up.

 

[anotherlayer]

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Date: 2019-01-16 15:56:22
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This confuses me. Here is a larger photo below, it's quite Disney. I see this translation:

1850: "Patsfios case - The naval blockade of Greece from England for a" debt "of 3,750 drachmas!" Shortened transliteration from here.

An episode depicting this grid of relationships is the "Patsifi" case that unfolded in Athens during the years 1849-1850. The first measure applied by the British was the commercial blockade of the ports of Piraeus, Patras, Syros, Hydra, Nafplio, Chalkis and Corinth. They even joined the occupation of Greek merchant ships and the seizure of imported goods of immeasurable value.

The governments of France and Russia, realizing that England is seeking to turn Greece into its own protectorate, have intervened and after negotiations have resulted in the referral of the issue to international arbitration. It was now April 1850 when it was announced the lifting of the Greek ports from the English fleet.

In the end, the international arbitration, after an expert's opinion, set off for Patsifiko a sum of 3,750 drachmas.

French Naval Port of Brest ca 1850-1880 - One of the Oldest Surviving Photographs of the French Fleet at Anchor in the Day of Sail

 

[JimDuyer]

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Is it just me or does the castle in the upper left, the structured steel crane in the left center and the what appears to be steam machinery in the lower right, seem somehow not to fit in with the naval craft?

 

[dreamtime]

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Date: 2019-01-16 22:03:18
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The Naval Port of Brest image has an almost magical atmosphere to me.

 

[wizz33]

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Date: 2019-01-16 22:57:29
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behind the crane is wheat spigot

 

[Archive]

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Date: 2019-01-16 23:05:36
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this is what happened

 

[rafalnowicki]

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Another High Definition picture from 19 century! Those strange pictures which look like from a different world, I don't know what to think. They look kinda from the time before Reset. Thanks for finding.

 

[anotherlayer]

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this is what happened

what's the story here? WWII?

 

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what's the story here? WWII?

Battle for Brest
the town motto should be
"having a hell of a time since 1342"

 

[Jd755]

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Date: 2019-01-17 08:54:39
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The more i look at the marlborough and la bretagne the more dodgy the stated history of events feel. Tis said nelson went into trafalgar with hms victory painted in the black and white checkerboard style and to celebrate his victory the fleet adopted this colouring for the next decade.

Fine as far as it goes the thing is the french, the defeated side so we are told. clearly adopted the same pattern.

Without the flags flying these adversarial ships would be easily misidentified as being 'on our side' up until they closed range or they unfurled a flag or two, for honour purposes. today the thin skinned ships of the world navy are all grey and the submarines are all black so they all look alike and have been this way throughout my life time.

Then there is the addition of steam propulsion to sailing ships at the same time more or less. Was there a clever salesman playing one side against the other?
The leap from la bretagne to le redoutable was rapid in time terms, as korben has pointed out on many threads, but the speed of change in machinery was something tht only happened again during what is called the second world war when biplanes turned into jets.

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Found this purportedly showing the launch of hms marlborough

During most of the my time in the shipyard, from '77 until '95 all vessels were built on an open slip bar one which was built in a covered build hall and yet here is an all wood first rate ship of the line with a brand new tech of steam screw propulsion installed built under cover and floated out or pulled out by the steam tugs in 1855. If there were dock gates and she is built in a covered dry dock then the gates must be sinkers or floating caissons.
It does feel that even reletavely recently there has been a 'grand forgetting' of how things get done.

 

[wizz33]

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i think the 2 short bridges are boarding ramps for some sort of gigantic ship.

 

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Another High Definition picture from 19 century! Those strange pictures which look like from a different world, I don't know what to think. They look kinda from the time before Reset. Thanks for finding.

The photos that you are refering to are in reality remastered, thats because photos and movies back then were filmed in a 35mm movie/roll, and everything filmed with that roll has the possibility to be remastered in 4k, or 8k if it was filmed in a 65mm roll. There was a post in another webpage that got deleted, that explained how they remastered those photos/movies step by step.
Here are some HD photos:
100 Fotos antiguas increíbles HD que quizás nunca viste - Imágenes