SH Archive Cathars- Beliefs of the Historical Heritics

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Username: WeeWarrior
Date: 2020-08-14 16:25:42
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Much appreciated, delighted to find you here, too, I've really enjoyed your videos, particularly your ability to speak at length from your notes. The info you have gathered is impressive and introduced me to subjects I'd never heard of (like that classroom mind control experiment) and provided fresh info on things I've been contemplating a long time, like the Cathars. Look forward to more insights from your investigations!

Glad you've enjoyed the blogs, I do pretty deep research before writing them up but then keep them short so I won't lose my reader's interest, I'm just trying to introduce some broad concepts rather than proving a particular theory. Only a third of what I find makes it into the final draft, so I'm delighted to have this forum to discuss all those finer points that get left out.

Just FYI, I recently connected with Dr. Peter Bendenittis who is producing a podcast called "Being Awesome". We did an interview a few weeks ago and he asked that I forward any info on people I thought appropriate to the topic, so I did send along your name after viewing some of your videos.

Hope it leads to more doors opening and new avenues of collaborative research!
 
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Username: parta
Date: 2020-08-14 16:28:36
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i do not think science is hiding anything. the public has been programmed to think geographically incorrectly. it is now the publics own problem.
eden.jpg
and the national geological institute of romania says they have found atlantis [which is zion]. your prejudice might be yalls undoing.

Isaiah 33:21
Look upon Zion, the city of our appointed feasts. Your eyes will see Jerusalem, a peaceful pasture, a tent that does not wander; its tent pegs will not be pulled up, nor will any of its cords be broken.
But there the Majestic One, our LORD, will be for us a place of rivers and wide canals, where no galley with oars will go, and majestic vessels will not pass.


and details in the public bible on why, what and how


“This is what the Lord says to his anointed,
to Cyrus, whose right hand I take hold of
to subdue nations before him
and to strip kings of their armor,
to open doors before him
so that gates will not be shut:

I will go before you
and will level the mountains;
I will break down gates of bronze
and cut through bars of iron.
I will give you hidden treasures,
riches stored in secret places,
so that you may know that I am the Lord,
the God of Israel, who summons you by name.

Truly you are a God who has been hiding himself,
I have not said to Jacob’s descendants,
‘Seek me in vain.’
I, the Lord, speak the truth;
I declare what is right.
“Gather together and come;
assemble, you fugitives from the nations.
the God and Savior of Israel.
All the makers of idols will be put to shame and disgraced;
they will go off into disgrace together.
But Israel will be saved by the Lord
with an everlasting salvation;
you will never be put to shame or disgraced,
to ages everlasting.
For this is what the Lord says—
he who created the heavens,
he is God;
he who fashioned and made the earth,
he founded it;
he did not create it to be empty,
but formed it to be inhabited—
he says:
“I am the Lord,
and there is no other.
I have not spoken in secret,
from somewhere in a land of darkness;
I have not said to Jacob’s descendants,
‘Seek me in vain.’
I, the Lord, speak the truth;
I declare what is right.
“Gather together and come;
assemble, you fugitives from the nations.
Declare what is to be, present it—
let them take counsel together.
Who foretold this long ago,
who declared it from the distant past?
Was it not I, the Lord?
And there is no God apart from me,
a righteous God and a Savior;
there is none but me.
“Turn to me and be saved,
all you ends of the earth;
for I am God, and there is no other.

Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me.
I make known the end from the beginning,
from ancient times, what is still to come.

“Though you were ruined and made desolate
and your land laid waste,
now you will be too small for your people,
and those who devoured you will be far away.
The children born during your bereavement
will yet say in your hearing,
‘This place is too small for us;
give us more space to live in.’
Then you will say in your heart,
‘Who bore me these?
I was bereaved and barren;
I was exiled and rejected.
Who brought these up?
I was left all alone,
but these—where have they come from?’”
This is what the Sovereign Lord says:
“See, I will beckon to the nations,
I will lift up my banner to the peoples;
they will bring your sons in their arms
and carry your daughters on their hips.
Kings will be your foster fathers,
and their queens your nursing mothers.
They will bow down before you with their faces to the ground;
they will lick the dust at your feet.
Then you will know that I am the Lord;
those who hope in me will not be disappointed.

The Lord will surely comfort Zion
and will look with compassion on all her ruins;
he will make her deserts like Eden,
her wastelands like the garden of the Lord.
Joy and gladness will be found in her,
thanksgiving and the sound of singing.
“Listen to me, my people;
hear me, my nation:
Instruction will go out from me;
my justice will become a light to the nations.
My righteousness draws near speedily,
my salvation is on the way,
and my arm will bring justice to the nations.
The islands will look to me
and wait in hope for my arm.
Lift up your eyes to the heavens,
look at the earth beneath;

the heavens will vanish like smoke,
the earth will wear out like a garment
and its inhabitants die like flies.
But my salvation will last forever,
my righteousness will never fail.

Awake, awake, arm of the Lord,
clothe yourself with strength!
Awake, as in days gone by,
as in generations of old.
Was it not you who cut Rahab to pieces,
who pierced that monster through?
Was it not you who dried up the sea,
the waters of the great deep,
who made a road in the depths of the sea
so that the redeemed might cross over?
Those the Lord has rescued will return.
They will enter Zion with singing;
everlasting joy will crown their heads.
Gladness and joy will overtake them,
and sorrow and sighing will flee away.

“Afflicted city, lashed by storms and not comforted,
I will rebuild you with stones of turquoise,
your foundations with lapis lazuli.
I will make your battlements of rubies,
your gates of sparkling jewels,
and all your walls of precious stones.
All your children will be taught by the Lord,
and great will be their peace.
In righteousness you will be established:
Tyranny will be far from you;
you will have nothing to fear.
Terror will be far removed;
it will not come near you.


be wise. cheers.
 
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Username: dejavu
Date: 2020-08-14 18:06:25
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I believe Truth will always out. With that in mind, I believe if we really seek it in a genuine way, it reveals itself. The challenge for me (and area of personal growth) has come from learning to recognize it. That may mean different things to different people but what that has come to mean to me is that I try not to limit my idea of Truth so I am more open to it in all its forms....whether hidden or in plain sight! LOL.

Truth is everywhere and available to all....the search continues for more of it. :)

Your archaic translations research sounds fascinating Jim. I wish you continued success with your projects.
 
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Username: Jim Duyer
Date: 2020-08-14 20:06:30
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So, if they place a sign that has absolutely no connection to the text, in place of the one that was there already, and then they publish a completely different transliteration and translation, and stick by it,
and review it over and over, and never make any corrections to their work, you still believe that this
is not intentional? So what then would represent fraud, in your opinion?
If I gave you Humpty Dumpty in a Childrens Book, and substituted an Orange for the Egg, would
that not indicate that, at the very least, I did this with my eyes open and intentionally decided to
commit this act? Did I just, accidentally forget the story of the Egg cracking when it fell? Because
an Orange doesn't crack, and neither does their switching of the symbols that they hold in their
hot little hands, in the back rooms of the Museums, that they will not allow us to even see without
an introduction, and appointment and a checking of our credentials/reputations before hand.
I read your prose above, and while interesting, I fail to notice a connection with the theme
of scientists fudging our history. And all of the above is with total respect and in the interests
of clarity.
 
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Username: parta
Date: 2020-08-14 20:37:10
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i think it is difficult to call those men subjectively translating a tablet scientists. what part of science were they practicing? they were educated guess men and that doesn't include any sciencific backup. translators at the UN do the same job but they have to be correct and nothing changes when someone else gives it a try.
science such as archaeology and geology must provide proof and pretty much everyone has to agree in the end. its exposed to rigor. when they say they have found ancient structures they do not do it litely. they are saying quite remarkable things publically and they are not small institutions.

its not my prose its the bible. it describes the goal, the way to the goal and why its the goal of everything in any book. there is a link that shows science is doing exactly as instructed. go up to the heavens and look down. you will see zion. etc etc etc

science is working to prove GOD or whoever he was. they are not keeping secrets... but everyone thinks they know better.

cheers
 
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Username: Jim Duyer
Date: 2020-08-14 22:51:06
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They were Doctors of Archaeology, in respect to the authors, and included Dr. Gelb the linguist, archaeologist, and editor of the Assyrian dictionary. All are or were from Harvard, Univ. of Chicago and Univ. of Penn. And to answer your unspoken question, yes, it passed peer review many times.
I would be very interested to have you show me a peer-reviewed research article that is
in any form connected to a topic of "working to prove God".

So no, they were more than mere translators. But I won't continue to beat the dead horse.
 
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Username: parta
Date: 2020-08-14 23:36:57
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if you could tear it down with little effort, there had been little rigor therefore little science. lots of scotch probably.

atlantis was presented to an international body of geologists at sgem2011. the man representing the national geological institute was dr mircea ticleanu. he would have your documents. there was no dispute at the time. he was granted special presentation status... 1st event 1st day so everyone was awake. it was not a media event however which was a shame.
he does not feel zion is a good name. likes atlantis.

eden workshop was attended by 11 european and na universities. its grown since then. there will be an avalanche of stuff for review. heidleberg has published some interesting cross sections.

just to make sure i was not going to miss anything i went and sat in the "garden". never can be too careful. it was pretty neat.

cheers
 
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Username: Jim Duyer
Date: 2020-08-15 16:08:47
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For some reason you are still not "getting" it. Little effort? How many people can read Proto-Cuneiform and make sense of it in the world today? Like to take a guess? The lead scholars at Harvard tell us less than 100 certainly, and probably a great deal less than that number are still actively working in the field.
Now you have gone from Bible quotes to equating zion and atlantis, both of which should be capitalized by the way. Some of the lines in your long-playing record of a brain may have been scratched, or seem to be skipping here. You should have that checked out - might be CV related.
Best of luck to you in your garden.
 
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Username: parta
Date: 2020-08-15 16:47:34
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can you prove you can? where are your credentials please. i can see theirs.
and this is combined with translating alien messages. and my brain is broken. wow.

where is this eden book? that will last for 1 minute as i rip it apart.

ps my cv is short and says i am a geotechnical engineer minor in business.
first job was with lavalin under contract to the romanian government to fix some recurring problems. travelled alot. happened to be home for christmas when our contract got cancelled by a revolution. for my second and last job i was invited back to work for them developing their export stone industry. 2 jobs in my life. so i do have rock in my head. but its not scratchy like you say.
 
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Username: Starmonkey
Date: 2020-08-15 17:40:58
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This thread gone to the ??.
Love a good ego volley.
 
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Username: parta
Date: 2020-08-15 17:57:43
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well the thing is i have no stake in the game so i have no ego. i make no personal claims. i believe that its worth a look at what the scientists are saying. thats all. this would be a great time for the human species to find some peace. i will neither win or loose from whatever anyone does.

i do apologize for springing common texts on him he has never read. i guess that upsets him. hard not to do that though. it was the bible and he is writing a book about eden. didn't cross my mind i was doing bad.
peace
 
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Username: Jim Duyer
Date: 2020-08-15 21:07:15
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Well I've read enough of the book of Isaiah to know that those verses in Chapter 49 are thought by Biblical scholars to have been written after the death of Isaiah himself, and thus not part of his earlier chapters, which are really very good. Peace to you. Out.
 
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Username: parta
Date: 2020-08-15 21:22:23
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well being at the cottage with significant free time sitting beside my self launching fishing rod.. i sure would like to have some links to the scholars to read. best stuff is stuff people give.

cheers
 
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Username: Jim Duyer
Date: 2020-08-16 18:40:45
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Well congratulations. You and other annoyances have finally helped me to decide.

Personal attacks, threats, and general idiocy I don't need right now, or ever for that matter.

Some day people might begin to understand that if you ask for the truth, and
you wish to learn about your "stolen history", then some of those truths and ideas might
become personal. Some of that truth you do not wish to handle.

It's fine to report that this map is bad or that photos is just wrong for the timeline it's said to
be in, but if someone talks about the errors in texts, and yes in Biblical texts as well, or tells
you that he has evidence that the Bible scholars knew that the Earth is a round ball and
not flat as many of you believe - well then, that's off the table.

I'm, saying Adios. Thanks for the enjoyable conversations, and I'm sorry that some of you , whom
I think actually have and show intelligence, will no longer see my name on here.
 
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Username: parta
Date: 2020-08-16 19:32:38
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well i think this is a bit much. who is threatening you. who is attacking you that you did not attack first?
i will watch for your book and read it privately.
 
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