SH Archive E PLURIBUS UNUM & The Great Seal of America

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KD, I hope I'm putting this in the correct place. If not, feel free to move to a more appropriate place.

I have a question related to the Latin phrase/motto E pluribus unum used in the Great Seal of the United States, along with other Latin phrases on the back, used on official U.S. documents, flags and even currency. Specifically, my question is why is Latin used?

To give a brief background of my brainstorming:

As I understand it, the Great Seal was first used in 1782, after the Confederate Congress adopted it as the official symbol to authenticate documents for the United States. That is six years after the 13 British American colonies declared their independence from Great Britain and a year prior to the official end of the American Revolutionary War, which formally granted independence to become the United States.

If the 13 British American colonies were primarily English speaking, then why would Latin be used to formalize a symbol to represent this new, self-governing nation?

I know Freemasonry plays a big part in our nation’s history and there are many examples of occult symbolism in the seal (such as the 13 berries, 13 leaves, 13 arrows, 13 letters in the word “E PLURIBUS UNUM” and the 13 stars), but my question is specifically about the use of Latin. When I looked into the Freemason history, I found it has roots in Great Britain, primarily Lodges in Scotland and England so I’m not seeing the connection to Latin directly.

When I follow the historical narrative, Freemasonry & Lodges were founded during the Reformation when Europe protested the Vatican/Catholic Church’s views and practices, and established non-Catholic branches of Christianity (Protestantism). This Protestant Christianity is what we are told is the basis for our Founding Fathers’ religion and why they later adopted “IN GOD WE TRUST” as the foundation of our nation and government’s ideology. If that is the case, then why use a language that is symbolic of the very thing you are protesting – the Vatican/Roman Catholic Church – as part of the new symbolism? Is there a connection between Freemasonry and the Vatican/Roman Catholic Church/Holy Roman Empire I’m missing? Is it Jesuits in reality?

When I researched colonial America, I found that even University Seals are written with Latin phrases. I don’t get it. Why was Latin continued if it represented something the Founding Fathers opposed and protested in Europe, and English was the primary language of those colonies?

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Username: CitizenShip
Date: 2020-03-28 18:11:41
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Because the catholic church/pope had already laid claim to the whole of earth and all of it's inhabitants.

Boniface announced that he would depose Philip if need be and issued the bull Unam Sanctam('One Holy'),the most famous papal document of the Middle Ages, affirming the authority of the pope as the heir of Peter and Vicar of Christ over all human authorities, spiritual and temporal.

I do not think this claim has ever been challenged, at least not publicly meaning that anything with a title is still the property of said claimants.

They are our owners so to say!

 

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Username: dejavu
Date: 2020-03-28 18:17:31
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Because the catholic church/pope had already laid claim to the whole of earth and all of it's inhabitants.

Boniface announced that he would depose Philip if need be and issued the bull Unam Sanctam('One Holy'),the most famous papal document of the Middle Ages, affirming the authority of the pope as the heir of Peter and Vicar of Christ over all human authorities, spiritual and temporal.

I do not think this claim has ever been challenged, at least not publicly meaning that anything with a title is still the property of said claimants.

They are our owners so to say!

OK, interesting. So then, does that mean that the Founding Fathers were establishing this nation under the guise of Protestant Christianity as agents of the Vatican (in other words they knew about this bull) or did they establish truly believing this was a Christian nation as a protest to the bull? How does one challenge this bull? Individually, collectively on a national or global scale? I thought we were sovereign beings with free will?

 

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Username: CitizenShip
Date: 2020-03-28 18:21:11
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OK, interesting. So then, does that mean that the Founding Fathers were establishing this nation under the guise of Protestant Christianity as agents of the Vatican (in other words they knew about this bull) or did they establish truly believing this was a Christian nation as a protest to the bull? How does one challenge this bull? Individually, collectively on a national or global scale? I thought we were sovereign beings with free will?

Yes absolutly, sovereign beings no, your sovereign being is lost at sea and is so brainwashed with stupid that we are not allowed to represent ourselves in their court systems.

 

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Username: dejavu
Date: 2020-03-28 18:24:56
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Yes absolutly, sovereign beings no, your sovereign being is lost at sea and is so brainwashed with stupid that we are not allowed to represent ourselves in their court systems.

You lost me with the response. Yes absolutely what exactly? Sovereign being lost at sea meaning we don't have free will over our individual self/identity or soul?

 

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Username: CitizenShip
Date: 2020-03-28 18:41:12
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Ok Unam sactum lays claim to all land and living things as property of the church, as for the founding fathers yes they either knew fully or were just useful idiots, considering they were highly educated i would say the former.
Yes we do not have a self identity, use phonetics to split the word ID Entity.

Try interacting with your government without any proof of IDentity and they will confirm just how much they think you are alive.
List of papal bulls - Wikipedia

 

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Username: dejavu
Date: 2020-03-28 18:51:24
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Ok Unam sactum lays claim to all land and living things as property of the church, as for the founding fathers yes they either knew fully or were just useful idiots, considering they were highly educated i would say the former.
Yes we do not have a self identity, use phonetics to split the word ID Entity.

Try interacting with your government without any proof of IDentity and they will confirm just how much they think you are alive.

So this BULL is primarily a way to control our rights while on earth. That sounds like it is limited to living the material human experience in the here and now. But ultimately, our true self, our sovereign being is not controlled since by definition sovereignty means we have full rights and powers over our self - our true SELF. The sovereign SELF. That's how I see it. So that being the case, they can take their BULL somewhere else because I call it BULLS>>T. As a true sovereign being, they don't have control over me in TRUTH. Deception, Trickery and Hidden Agendas are their game. TRUTH is not based on any of those. Their gig is up. At least, that's how I see it.

Thanks for the info. Now I'm a bit more clear on the Latin use. Appreciate it.

 

[Citezenship]

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Username: CitizenShip
Date: 2020-03-28 18:58:12
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Yes i get your sentiment but unfortunately unless you plan on going into the forest to be a hermit there is only one way to move about in this society and that is with the correct id.

I have not yet met anyone that has broken free of these shackles yet, even the ayauashca shaman i stayed with in Brazil had a birth cetifcate and a passport.

 

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Username: dejavu
Date: 2020-03-28 19:05:28
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Yes i get your sentiment but unfortunately unless you plan on going into the forest to be a hermit there is only one way to move about in this society and that is with the correct id.

I have not yet met anyone that has broken free of these shackles yet, even the ayauashca shaman i stayed with in Brazil had a birth cetifcate and a passport.

I get what you are saying but that all seems to be based on legalities of living the human experience. I'm not talking about the legal control in the here and now. It is clear they are intent on full control of that. What I am saying is that come what may, their control does not extend to my soul beyond the here and now realm of existence. Otherwise, we would not truly be sovereign beings as I believe. So that to me means their control can only reach so far - not beyond death, where our spirit continues. At least that's how I'm interpreting things.

 

[Citezenship]

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Username: CitizenShip
Date: 2020-03-28 19:10:06
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Oh yes it is only in this physical realm!
I kind of equate to a cycle, they want your attention whilst alive and taking one's life is considered a grave sin but i see that as the only way out and the only way to not take part in the rigged game!
Although this is just my assumption, that's why new souls need programming!

 

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Username: dejavu
Date: 2020-03-28 19:27:25
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Oh yes it is only in this physical realm!
I kind of equate to a cycle, they want your attention whilst alive and taking one's life is considered a grave sin but i see that as the only way out and the only way to not take part in the rigged game!

I, in no way, advocate suicide. What I am saying is that I recognize this material life has an expiration date. Once that comes, however long we had, we then move onto another realm - the spirit realm - beyond their control. That helps me keep things in perspective.

To give a brief frame of reference I'm going to share something quite personal. My mother died last summer. She had a very hard and tragic life from a young age but somehow managed to see past the darkness and hold on to the light. She had a deep, deep faith. She was determined. A true fighter who held on till her end. Many times I cried out in anguish asking how long must she endure this path. She never gave into her fear or pain. She held on to the light. When I walked into the funeral home and saw her body in the casket, I broke down....along with my siblings and children next to me, but I was crying tears of relief because she was finally free and at peace. And that's what I'm getting at. This life is filled with many challenges, pain and suffering but it is all temporary compared to the eternity we have ahead in a spirit world. If we can see past the darkness, we can see many good things here still. That's my focus. Some days are better than others but I don't lose hope. She taught me that.

I'm not sharing this to preach anything to anyone, as I respect everyone has a right to their belief. But for me, I have peace knowing there is more to this life. They can't control everything. So I'm going to live my life as best as I can because while there is a lot of darkness, there is also light. And my mother is the best example to me of someone who battled the darkness and held on to the light till the end.

EDIT: I'm happy to continue this but for the sake of the thread, we can start another one in case anyone else wishes to add something specific to the Latin and The Great Seal.

 

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Date: 2020-03-28 19:36:24
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I truly am sorry for your loss, as you know life is a bit of a rollercoaster that sometimes requires us to hold on a little bit tighter, there must be a point, no!

I do not advocate taking ones own life but if the game is rigged, the only way to not play is to not take part.

 

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Date: 2020-03-28 20:00:51
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I truly am sorry for your loss, as you know life is a bit of a rollercoaster that sometimes requires us to hold on a little bit tighter, there must be a point, no!

I do not advocate taking ones own life but if the game is rigged, the only way to not play is to not take part.

Thanks for the sympathies. I appreciate it.

In terms of not playing or taking part in the game... My way of doing that is recognizing what it is and choosing to live my life in spite of their plans.

 

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Because we are the 4th Crown of the Holy Roman Empire.

 

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Username: dejavu
Date: 2020-03-28 22:18:19
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Because we are the 4th Crown of the Holy Roman Empire.

I'm sorry, but I don't know what that means. Would you please expand so I can understand? Thnx

EDIT: I'm trying to find out what that means. When I look it up, I just keep getting things related to the Imperial Crown of the HRE. Is this a reference to the Fourth Empire/Order/Reich? I'm interested to learn what you mean.

 

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Username: JasonP
Date: 2020-03-29 00:03:35
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KD, I hope I'm putting this in the correct place. If not, feel free to move to a more appropriate place.

I have a question related to the Latin phrase/motto E pluribus unum used in the Great Seal of the United States, along with other Latin phrases on the back, used on official U.S. documents, flags and even currency. Specifically, my question is why is Latin used?

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To give a brief background of my brainstorming:

As I understand it, the Great Seal was first used in 1782, after the Confederate Congress adopted it as the official symbol to authenticate documents for the United States. That is six years after the 13 British American colonies declared their independence from Great Britain and a year prior to the official end of the American Revolutionary War, which formally granted independence to become the United States.

If the 13 British American colonies were primarily English speaking, then why would Latin be used to formalize a symbol to represent this new, self-governing nation?

I know Freemasonry plays a big part in our nation’s history and there are many examples of occult symbolism in the seal (such as the 13 berries, 13 leaves, 13 arrows, 13 letters in the word “E PLURIBUS UNUM” and the 13 stars), but my question is specifically about the use of Latin. When I looked into the Freemason history, I found it has roots in Great Britain, primarily Lodges in Scotland and England so I’m not seeing the connection to Latin directly.

When I follow the historical narrative, Freemasonry & Lodges were founded during the Reformation when Europe protested the Vatican/Catholic Church’s views and practices, and established non-Catholic branches of Christianity (Protestantism). This Protestant Christianity is what we are told is the basis for our Founding Fathers’ religion and why they later adopted “IN GOD WE TRUST” as the foundation of our nation and government’s ideology. If that is the case, then why use a language that is symbolic of the very thing you are protesting – the Vatican/Roman Catholic Church – as part of the new symbolism? Is there a connection between Freemasonry and the Vatican/Roman Catholic Church/Holy Roman Empire I’m missing? Is it Jesuits in reality?

When I researched colonial America, I found that even University Seals are written with Latin phrases. I don’t get it. Why was Latin continued if it represented something the Founding Fathers opposed and protested in Europe, and English was the primary language of those colonies?

The 3 phrases all refer to the trinity, or the big G God. One from many-3. New order for the Ages-it was the trinity who created the original order from the chaos for all Ages to come. God approves of our work-God being any one of the trinity. It was the Eagle and the Serpent who sat on the top and bottom of the world tree watching over the children of God (myth of Etana), and it was Shamash that they made the pact with. So, yes, God approves of our work. A trinity of trinity references.
The Eagle is from the Sumerian path of Ea or Anu, lines 10-12. This zodiac covers the Rule of Law, which is why all US presidents repeat the phrase. The left claw is Libra (scales of justice) holding a sheaf of grain (life) in control (Law). The right side is power over life and death, which is necessary for Rule of Law to be effective. It is the root religion of the Vatican, and therefore also the Masons.
Side note, the Mason 33 refers to the first 33 gods on Earth who built Eden, Path of Enlil (they did a great service to mankind).

Jason P.

 

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Username: Palaiolagash
Date: 2020-03-29 00:37:03
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Quick reminder that the seal has changed significantly over time. Previously the 13 stars above the phoenix were 6 pointed instead of 5. Quote from James Longacre, designer of the early American 3 cent pieces which display the classic design:

On so small a coin it is impossible that the device can be at once conspicuous and striking unless it is simple—complexity would defeat the object. For the obverse I have therefore chosen a star (one of the heraldic elements of the National crest) bearing on its centre the shield of the Union, surrounded by the legal inscription and date. For the reverse I have devised an ornamental letter C embracing in its centre the Roman numeral III, the whole encircled by the thirteen stars.[15]

Coins serve as a reminder of history that is exceedingly difficult to edit, and for more than a century after America's birth every single star on their coinage has the same amount of points. E PLURIBUS UNUM shows up on many of the earliest examples, but if you want the original symbols and mottos the nation saw fit to mint you get this fascinating example. Instead of the 6 pointed stars that are shaped as if they were 2 opposing triangles, you have this design that seems far more floral than that which would be adopted after the early 1800s. Given how the motto means "New Constellation" I have to feel that it is a poetic way to refer to stars on a field of blue, though I will admit a lack of knowledge as to what a 6 petaled flower may mean in this context. I feel the more notable feature is the big ole' eye right smack dab in the middle of the coin. Quite the interesting icon to adorn the first bit of money you mint as a nation.

 

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Username: dejavu
Date: 2020-03-29 00:53:42
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The 3 phrases all refer to the trinity, or the big G God. One from many-3. New order for the Ages-it was the trinity who created the original order from the chaos for all Ages to come. God approves of our work-God being any one of the trinity. It was the Eagle and the Serpent who sat on the top and bottom of the world tree watching over the children of God (myth of Etana), and it was Shamash that they made the pact with. So, yes, God approves of our work. A trinity of trinity references.
The Eagle is from the Sumerian path of Ea or Anu, lines 10-12. This zodiac covers the Rule of Law, which is why all US presidents repeat the phrase. The left claw is Libra (scales of justice) holding a sheaf of grain (life) in control (Law). The right side is power over life and death, which is necessary for Rule of Law to be effective. It is the root religion of the Vatican, and therefore also the Masons.
Side note, the Mason 33 refers to the first 33 gods on Earth who built Eden, Path of Enlil (they did a great service to mankind).

Jason P.

God approves of our work. Who is OUR referring to? Humanity. Vatican. Masons. TPTB.

It is the root religion of the Vatican, and therefore also the Masons. So then, there is a connection with the two. Is this Rule of Law a universal rule that TPTB adhere to? In other words, is the BULL that was referenced earlier in the thread within this Rule or outside the Rule? That would imply it falls within a good or bad side, unless the good and bad are just two side of the same coin and that coin falls under the umbrella of the Rule of Law you mention.

Hope this is making sense.

Quick reminder that the seal has changed significantly over time. Previously the 13 stars above the phoenix were 6 pointed instead of 5. Quote from James Longacre, designer of the early American 3 cent pieces which display the classic design:



Coins serve as a reminder of history that is exceedingly difficult to edit, and for more than a century after America's birth every single star on their coinage has the same amount of points. E PLURIBUS UNUM shows up on many of the earliest examples, but if you want the original symbols and mottos the nation saw fit to mint you get this fascinating example. Instead of the 6 pointed stars that are shaped as if they were 2 opposing triangles, you have this design that seems far more floral than that which would be adopted after the early 1800s. Given how the motto means "New Constellation" I have to feel that it is a poetic way to refer to stars on a field of blue, though I will admit a lack of knowledge as to what a 6 petaled flower may mean in this context. I feel the more notable feature is the big ole' eye right smack dab in the middle of the coin. Quite the interesting icon to adorn the first bit of money you mint as a nation.

Yes, I do agree that coins tend to be a better source, so thank you for the reference. Interesting how different the coins are to the seal we have now, indeed. It could simply be a result of the re-write of history and how they chose to present the symbolism based on that, but I will look further into it, although I have a lack of knowledge in this area as well. Appreciate it.
Thank you to those who have posted responses on this thread so far. I appreciate the info.

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I am trying to better understand the information and how it all ties into the Latin and Seal, so I’ve been researching the information/clues provided. This is what I’ve come up with so far:

The Vatican & Freemasons operate under secrecy and hidden meanings because they are not rooted in a traditional Christian belief system as we have been told/taught. Their true religion is actually rooted in antediluvian ancient Sumerian deities and myths of Mesopotamia. That said, the phrase E PLURIBUS UNUM (Latin for Out of Many, One), is a reference by @JasonP to the plurality of God represented by the Trinity or the “big G” GOD, which is why the Freemasons use the big G symbol. However, that Trinity does not represent The Father, Son and Holy Spirit that is associated with traditional Christian beliefs but rather a trinity of deities related to the Sumerian Kings List Tablet and the Myth of Etana (regarded as legend, about the ancient city of Kish).

Not being familiar with these things in detail, I researched it and found that:

• ANU is considered the one who controls the Universe.
• ENLIL (son of ANU) is the only one with direct access to ANU. He is essentially regarded as the Father of the Sumerians and God/King/Ruler of the ancient city of Nippur (Sumer). He is also considered a rebellious type who defies the law of the gods to pursue his own desires.
• ENKI, the god of wisdom, conceived the creation of the earth and human beings as co-workers to maintain it. He is regarded to also represent the Greek god Zeus.

This is what makes up the triad that governs the heavens, earth and underworld. Is this correct?

ENLIL, however, seems to hold significant power to rule over the whole of Earth. As I understand it, Enlil was present on earth and historical records show he was worshipped as the Ruler/Deity King of Nippur from the Early Dynastic Period I (c. 2900-2700 BCE) during the Akkadian Empire. He was also the Keeper of the Tablets of Destiny, which are said to contain the fates of the gods and humanity. As such, he was considered to hold the authority and power of divine law, and whose decisions and judgements cannot be questioned. This seems to connect back to the papal BULL powers and rights referenced earlier in the thread by @CitizenShip.

Myth of Etana

So now, to the Myth of Etana. It references the Eagle, Serpent and Shamash (Sun god). Again, these are things I’m not familiar with, but I found there are a lot of motifs that tend to bring Babylonian, Egyptian and Hebrew elements together, and a possible way to back track how our history has been re-written under secrecy with hidden meanings with occult religious beliefs. As I understood it, the Eagle, Serpent and Shamash made a pact/agreement essentially establishing a new triad (which I took to mean the reference of “a trinity of trinity”) and this is the basis for the foundation of the ancient city of Kish, which has direct ties to Ishtar/Inanna. I found that to be interesting given your comment about Presidents being “in the know” of all of this, since KD recently posted something in relation to her and Trump’s reference to Easter timeline, so that is another connection to consider given current events, if there is a hidden agenda within this.

I’m not familiar with the Masonic 33 being a reference to the original 33 gods (aka the Anunnaki), so I’ll have to look into that, but if I’m following what you are saying, it would be another way to confirm that the Vatican/Freemasons/TPTB are essentially operating under a false Christianity and covering it up because there is evidence that our history has been amended while still holding cores of truths within it.

Lastly, there seems to be a strong connection with astrology and related symbolism, which is not an area I’m knowledgeable of beyond the basics, but @Palaiolagash made reference to a motto that means “New Constellation” so I think that is something worth pursuing too to find a possible connection to the seal's design and meaning.

You guys are giving me good information and clues that are aiding in my research, so I appreciate it. I hope you all and others will continue to post anything you think connects with this somehow. If I have misunderstood something, feel free to clarify so I can adjust things on my end as I continue to look into these things in hopes of gaining better understanding. Thank you all.

 

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Username: Banta
Date: 2020-03-29 17:06:17
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I think getting more specific with the "who" is helpful. It is asserted:

The history of the Great Seal begins with the day of our founding as a nation. The Continental Congress appointed a committee to design a seal for the United States on July 4, 1776, just a few hours after they adopted the Declaration of Independence. The committee members—Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and John Adams—prepared a very complicated design that was promptly tabled by Congress. However, one prominent feature of their design appeared in the design that was originally adopted—the motto E Pluribus Unum, "Out of Many, One."

Our Documents - Original Design of the Great Seal of the United States (1782)

Neither Jefferson or Adams are reported to be freemasons, for what it's worth.

I would suspect that the use of Latin is a simple appropriation. It has an air of authority and sophistication. How much of that is connected conspiracy and how much is just cynically following what "works" is as always up to the individual to decide.

If we are to believe the committee approach then most of the Seal is just a series of compromises. It also does not necessarily mean that even though the motto made it through from the first draft that it wasn't removed and reinstated during the process.

 

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Username: dejavu
Date: 2020-03-29 18:06:27
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I think getting more specific with the "who" is helpful. It is asserted:

Agreed. That's what I'm trying to do as I research all the information provided by others as possible clues. It's hard to know who knew what, what really went on during the formation of the nation and all the symbolism behind the design. Unfortunately, assertions made can be accurate or manipulated, so I like to consider as much as I can to test them out, so thanks for your feedback and document references. I'll add it to my growing list for consideration.