Flat Earth

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I added Vlad from Flat Earth to my yuuge subscription list.
Some people claim to see faces in the close-up images of stars. Ah, the watchers.
Sometimes I do see eyes and mouths. Pareidolia, most likely.
My guess is that they are components in a curved motherboard.

Which brings us back to the height of the dome. 62 miles? 300? Rockets can't seem to fly higher than a few dozen miles. Light rockets have gone up 60 to 70 miles, at which point they hit a layer of gases which slow and halt their momentum. I exaggerate, as the GoFast rocket video is the only one that I've seen with a camera on board to record the trip to "space."

Distance to the moon is around a quarter million miles. How is it possible for telescopes and zoom lenses on cameras to focus on lunar craters like Tycho, which is 50 miles wide?

So, no, to pooh-pooh FE photos of far distant objects is just plain false.

Though looking up doesn't prove the earth's shape, it does debunk establishment science and the entire field of astronomy.

 

[Jd755]

The sky is all about speculation. We can and do speculate ourselves into a fractal which defeats the object of figuring out what the objective reality is.
The biggest clue for me that I am not stood on a ball falling away from me in every direction from my position upon it, is not the truth there is no such thing as pull its the active prevention of exploration by our blind belief in the existence of the authority cult aka states/nations/experts indeed anything outside of us as the individual point of perception.
How to get to exploring the room seems to me to be the thing that needs figuring out then go do it.
The big problem with looking up is our visual geometry.
Edit to correct word order.

 

[Collapseinrealtime]

Stars getting larger in cameras in high zoom is obviously because of imperfection of the optics or athmospheric distortion. FE/UFO community seems to be filled with extremely lack of technical understandings, which destroys good conversations. And it puts up a barrier to spread alternative cosmology because main stream people with good technical skills will think all alternative theories is like this and will laugh at everyone attached to this.
So yes, if FE is a psy-op it is damn well working exactly like planned.

If FE is a psyop then why when I search for Flat Earth videos on Youtube all I get is parodies and the only way to access real FE videos is to seek the channels that are dedicated to that topic?

Flat earth is a psyop that has many steps. The first question that must be asked is, "What is the goal of this psyop and what are the tactics to carry it out? There are many layers to this psyop. The fact that it is a psyop does not necessarily mean that the concept is in and of itself false. The psyop seeks to co-opt this concept and take it in a very specific direction.

The psyop began by first giving flat earth absolute credibility. The target audience was the awakening truth seekers that have already begun to come to the conclusion that we are being lied to on many fronts. This took place on YT in early 2015 with the first wave of timely information with the 200 Proofs video by Eric Dubay, in addition to an explosion of interviews he gave on alternative media platforms over the next succeeding months, berating fake science while exposing the fraud of NASA.

As this began to gain serious traction, the next wave of videos came out from Mark Sargent, with his "Flat Earth Clues" series, a dumbed down approach to flat earth with lots of speculation and very little real actual scientific data to back up the flat earth concept. He also went on an alt media tour, giving hundreds of interviews, behaving like a complete fool and idiot. This seemed to get much greater traction than Dubay's presence, resulting in an overall dumbing down of the information while making followers of this information look foolish by direct association with Sargent. Also, hangout groups began popping up, seemingly out of the woodwork, discussing and showcasing the arising conflict that quickly developed between those supporting Dubay's more scientific approach versus Sargent's speculative rantings.

Wave three came with the flat earth debunkers, those that attempted to either use mainstream scientific ideas to prove a spinning ball or to troll flat earthers, labeling them as unscientific tin foil hat wearers.

Dubay then upped the ante by posting "Hitler vs the Jew World Order". This was the masterful stroke of the psyop, since it now lumped Eric Dubay with not only "tin foil hat conspiracy theorists", but it also now identified anyone looking into flat earth as anti-Semites.

The synthesis could now take place. Now that flat earth research was merged with anti-Semitic research, the mainstream media could now freely label anyone looking into flat earth as conspiracy nuts, haters, racists, and potential domestic terrorists.

With the great Covid-Youtube censorship purge, most of these videos were nearly completely wiped from Youtube's servers. Those that had been making a living through monetized platforms were now de-platformed, forced to start from scratch on other competing platforms like Bitchute and lbry and others, which was now an uphill battle, since video content was now scrutinized much more intensely.

This is the reason why it is now quite difficult to find any decent, credibly presented videos on this subject on Youtube, with some exceptions. Those that made flat earth look really bad from the beginning, your Mark Sargent types, can still be easily found on Youtube, except that now it is so completely marginalized, even they get hardly any views anymore.

Since videos take up such great bandwidth space, those who thought their uploaded videos on YT would be there forever, failed to back these videos up onto storage drives. As a result, many of those great early proof videos are gone forever. Those that did back up their videos are slowly uploading them back onto other platforms, but exposure is far more minimal.

What this leaves us with is the one step forward, two steps back approach to information war, since the greatest grass roots archive of our time has now been completely whitewashed to become just another competing pay-per-view streaming cable network.

I would say that the flat earth psyop has succeeded in its agenda: to completely invert the scientific method approach to controversial material, shutting down truthful dialog by labeling all that participate in such dialog as tin foil hat wearing, anti-semitic, racist, domestic terrorist flat earthers.

This will later be co-opted again when they choose to flip on NASA, exposing it for the that fraud it is, in favor of a more accurate cosmology in order to get flat earthers and conspiracy theorists on board to the NWO, since they may be the only ones left still alive that haven't taken the "vaccine".

 

[Starman]

Flat earth is a psyop that has many steps. The first question that must be asked is, "What is the goal of this psyop and what are the tactics to carry it out? There are many layers to this psyop. The fact that it is a psyop does not necessarily mean that the concept is in and of itself false. The psyop seeks to co-opt this concept and take it in a very specific direction.

The psyop began by first giving flat earth absolute credibility. The target audience was the awakening truth seekers that have already begun to come to the conclusion that we are being lied to on many fronts. This took place on YT in early 2015 with the first wave of timely information with the 200 Proofs video by Eric Dubay, in addition to an explosion of interviews he gave on alternative media platforms over the next succeeding months, berating fake science while exposing the fraud of NASA.

As this began to gain serious traction, the next wave of videos came out from Mark Sargent, with his "Flat Earth Clues" series, a dumbed down approach to flat earth with lots of speculation and very little real actual scientific data to back up the flat earth concept. He also went on an alt media tour, giving hundreds of interviews, behaving like a complete fool and idiot. This seemed to get much greater traction than Dubay's presence, resulting in an overall dumbing down of the information while making followers of this information look foolish by direct association with Sargent. Also, hangout groups began popping up, seemingly out of the woodwork, discussing and showcasing the arising conflict that quickly developed between those supporting Dubay's more scientific approach versus Sargent's speculative rantings.

Wave three came with the flat earth debunkers, those that attempted to either use mainstream scientific ideas to prove a spinning ball or to troll flat earthers, labeling them as unscientific tin foil hat wearers.

Dubay then upped the ante by posting "Hitler vs the Jew World Order". This was the masterful stroke of the psyop, since it now lumped Eric Dubay with not only "tin foil hat conspiracy theorists", but it also now identified anyone looking into flat earth as anti-Semites.

The synthesis could now take place. Now that flat earth research was merged with anti-Semitic research, the mainstream media could now freely label anyone looking into flat earth as conspiracy nuts, haters, racists, and potential domestic terrorists.

With the great Covid-Youtube censorship purge, most of these videos were nearly completely wiped from Youtube's servers. Those that had been making a living through monetized platforms were now de-platformed, forced to start from scratch on other competing platforms like Bitchute and lbry and others, which was now an uphill battle, since video content was now scrutinized much more intensely.

This is the reason why it is now quite difficult to find any decent, credibly presented videos on this subject on Youtube, with some exceptions. Those that made flat earth look really bad from the beginning, your Mark Sargent types, can still be easily found on Youtube, except that now it is so completely marginalized, even they get hardly any views anymore.

Since videos take up such great bandwidth space, those who thought their uploaded videos on YT would be there forever, failed to back these videos up onto storage drives. As a result, many of those great early proof videos are gone forever. Those that did back up their videos are slowly uploading them back onto other platforms, but exposure is far more minimal.

What this leaves us with is the one step forward, two steps back approach to information war, since the greatest grass roots archive of our time has now been completely whitewashed to become just another competing pay-per-view streaming cable network.

I would say that the flat earth psyop has succeeded in its agenda: to completely invert the scientific method approach to controversial material, shutting down truthful dialog by labeling all that participate in such dialog as tin foil hat wearing, anti-semitic, racist, domestic terrorist flat earthers.

This will later be co-opted again when they choose to flip on NASA, exposing it for the that fraud it is, in favor of a more accurate cosmology in order to get flat earthers and conspiracy theorists on board to the NWO, since they may be the only ones left still alive that haven't taken the "vaccine".

One of the bigger clues that FE has validity, is the extent of the vilification of the theory. The degree of psyop that has been engaged to discredit it, is evidence enough that we have stumbled upon something significant. If a theory is far fetched enough, nobody bothers to debunk it. If it instead hits a nerve, all hell breaks loose and people pile on to muddy the waters.

Simple observations are the key to decoding the psyop. As soon as the opposition starts throwing words around, using formulas and making convoluted, complex arguments, you know you've hit the jackpot. My favorite is the explanation why rocket thrusters on a descending space ship onto the moon don't ruffle the earth underneath it. We're supposed to believe that a mighty incendiary force being applied to slow the descent won't leave on a mark on the surface. We're also expected to believe that you can have combustion without atmospheric oxygen and that in a vacuum or near vacuum you have something to push against, and that these tiny craft can carry enough fuel, along with an ATV strapped to the outside to touch down and later lift off the surface.

The stupidity goes on and on. It's just not here and there, it's everywhere you look. A psyop is needed only for those that haven't sufficiently attuned their BS meter.

SO special that Nixon was able to talk to the astronauts live on the moon via telephone in the oval office.

 

[Citezenship]

Flat earth is a psyop that has many steps. The first question that must be asked is, "What is the goal of this psyop and what are the tactics to carry it out? There are many layers to this psyop. The fact that it is a psyop does not necessarily mean that the concept is in and of itself false. The psyop seeks to co-opt this concept and take it in a very specific direction.

The psyop began by first giving flat earth absolute credibility. The target audience was the awakening truth seekers that have already begun to come to the conclusion that we are being lied to on many fronts. This took place on YT in early 2015 with the first wave of timely information with the 200 Proofs video by Eric Dubay, in addition to an explosion of interviews he gave on alternative media platforms over the next succeeding months, berating fake science while exposing the fraud of NASA.

As this began to gain serious traction, the next wave of videos came out from Mark Sargent, with his "Flat Earth Clues" series, a dumbed down approach to flat earth with lots of speculation and very little real actual scientific data to back up the flat earth concept. He also went on an alt media tour, giving hundreds of interviews, behaving like a complete fool and idiot. This seemed to get much greater traction than Dubay's presence, resulting in an overall dumbing down of the information while making followers of this information look foolish by direct association with Sargent. Also, hangout groups began popping up, seemingly out of the woodwork, discussing and showcasing the arising conflict that quickly developed between those supporting Dubay's more scientific approach versus Sargent's speculative rantings.

Wave three came with the flat earth debunkers, those that attempted to either use mainstream scientific ideas to prove a spinning ball or to troll flat earthers, labeling them as unscientific tin foil hat wearers.

Dubay then upped the ante by posting "Hitler vs the Jew World Order". This was the masterful stroke of the psyop, since it now lumped Eric Dubay with not only "tin foil hat conspiracy theorists", but it also now identified anyone looking into flat earth as anti-Semites.

The synthesis could now take place. Now that flat earth research was merged with anti-Semitic research, the mainstream media could now freely label anyone looking into flat earth as conspiracy nuts, haters, racists, and potential domestic terrorists.

With the great Covid-Youtube censorship purge, most of these videos were nearly completely wiped from Youtube's servers. Those that had been making a living through monetized platforms were now de-platformed, forced to start from scratch on other competing platforms like Bitchute and lbry and others, which was now an uphill battle, since video content was now scrutinized much more intensely.

This is the reason why it is now quite difficult to find any decent, credibly presented videos on this subject on Youtube, with some exceptions. Those that made flat earth look really bad from the beginning, your Mark Sargent types, can still be easily found on Youtube, except that now it is so completely marginalized, even they get hardly any views anymore.

Since videos take up such great bandwidth space, those who thought their uploaded videos on YT would be there forever, failed to back these videos up onto storage drives. As a result, many of those great early proof videos are gone forever. Those that did back up their videos are slowly uploading them back onto other platforms, but exposure is far more minimal.

What this leaves us with is the one step forward, two steps back approach to information war, since the greatest grass roots archive of our time has now been completely whitewashed to become just another competing pay-per-view streaming cable network.

I would say that the flat earth psyop has succeeded in its agenda: to completely invert the scientific method approach to controversial material, shutting down truthful dialog by labeling all that participate in such dialog as tin foil hat wearing, anti-semitic, racist, domestic terrorist flat earthers.

This will later be co-opted again when they choose to flip on NASA, exposing it for the that fraud it is, in favor of a more accurate cosmology in order to get flat earthers and conspiracy theorists on board to the NWO, since they may be the only ones left still alive that haven't taken the "vaccine".

One of the bigger clues that FE has validity, is the extent of the vilification of the theory. The degree of psyop that has been engaged to discredit it, is evidence enough that we have stumbled upon something significant. If a theory is far fetched enough, nobody bothers to debunk it. If it instead hits a nerve, all hell breaks loose and people pile on to muddy the waters.

Simple observations are the key to decoding the psyop. As soon as the opposition starts throwing words around, using formulas and making convoluted, complex arguments, you know you've hit the jackpot. My favorite is the explanation why rocket thrusters on a descending space ship onto the moon don't ruffle the earth underneath it. We're supposed to believe that a mighty incendiary force being applied to slow the descent won't leave on a mark on the surface. We're also expected to believe that you can have combustion without atmospheric oxygen and that in a vacuum or near vacuum you have something to push against, and that these tiny craft can carry enough fuel, along with an ATV strapped to the outside to touch down and later lift off the surface.

The stupidity goes on and on. It's just not here and there, it's everywhere you look. A psyop is needed only for those that haven't sufficiently attuned their BS meter.

SO special that Nixon was able to talk to the astronauts live on the moon via telephone in the oval office.

Yes the magic camera film in the magic hassleblad cameras that will not melt in +/-330, +/-666 degrees(sarcasm) along with the acompanying batteries that function in the same environment.

We should have had a dust cloud that lasted for months given the supposed low G but not even a speck, wonder how they kept those lenses clean, they had to assemble the battery operated ATV, they had to operate the camera with those big ol space gloves, it just goes on and on!

 

[Lightseeker]

Stars getting larger in cameras in high zoom is obviously because of imperfection of the optics or athmospheric distortion. FE/UFO community seems to be filled with extremely lack of technical understandings, which destroys good conversations. And it puts up a barrier to spread alternative cosmology because main stream people with good technical skills will think all alternative theories is like this and will laugh at everyone attached to this.
So yes, if FE is a psy-op it is damn well working exactly like planned.

If FE is a psyop then why when I search for Flat Earth videos on Youtube all I get is parodies and the only way to access real FE videos is to seek the channels that are dedicated to that topic?

Flat earth is a psyop that has many steps. The first question that must be asked is, "What is the goal of this psyop and what are the tactics to carry it out? There are many layers to this psyop. The fact that it is a psyop does not necessarily mean that the concept is in and of itself false. The psyop seeks to co-opt this concept and take it in a very specific direction.

The psyop began by first giving flat earth absolute credibility. The target audience was the awakening truth seekers that have already begun to come to the conclusion that we are being lied to on many fronts. This took place on YT in early 2015 with the first wave of timely information with the 200 Proofs video by Eric Dubay, in addition to an explosion of interviews he gave on alternative media platforms over the next succeeding months, berating fake science while exposing the fraud of NASA.

As this began to gain serious traction, the next wave of videos came out from Mark Sargent, with his "Flat Earth Clues" series, a dumbed down approach to flat earth with lots of speculation and very little real actual scientific data to back up the flat earth concept. He also went on an alt media tour, giving hundreds of interviews, behaving like a complete fool and idiot. This seemed to get much greater traction than Dubay's presence, resulting in an overall dumbing down of the information while making followers of this information look foolish by direct association with Sargent. Also, hangout groups began popping up, seemingly out of the woodwork, discussing and showcasing the arising conflict that quickly developed between those supporting Dubay's more scientific approach versus Sargent's speculative rantings.

Wave three came with the flat earth debunkers, those that attempted to either use mainstream scientific ideas to prove a spinning ball or to troll flat earthers, labeling them as unscientific tin foil hat wearers.

Dubay then upped the ante by posting "Hitler vs the Jew World Order". This was the masterful stroke of the psyop, since it now lumped Eric Dubay with not only "tin foil hat conspiracy theorists", but it also now identified anyone looking into flat earth as anti-Semites.

The synthesis could now take place. Now that flat earth research was merged with anti-Semitic research, the mainstream media could now freely label anyone looking into flat earth as conspiracy nuts, haters, racists, and potential domestic terrorists.

With the great Covid-Youtube censorship purge, most of these videos were nearly completely wiped from Youtube's servers. Those that had been making a living through monetized platforms were now de-platformed, forced to start from scratch on other competing platforms like Bitchute and lbry and others, which was now an uphill battle, since video content was now scrutinized much more intensely.

This is the reason why it is now quite difficult to find any decent, credibly presented videos on this subject on Youtube, with some exceptions. Those that made flat earth look really bad from the beginning, your Mark Sargent types, can still be easily found on Youtube, except that now it is so completely marginalized, even they get hardly any views anymore.

Since videos take up such great bandwidth space, those who thought their uploaded videos on YT would be there forever, failed to back these videos up onto storage drives. As a result, many of those great early proof videos are gone forever. Those that did back up their videos are slowly uploading them back onto other platforms, but exposure is far more minimal.

What this leaves us with is the one step forward, two steps back approach to information war, since the greatest grass roots archive of our time has now been completely whitewashed to become just another competing pay-per-view streaming cable network.

I would say that the flat earth psyop has succeeded in its agenda: to completely invert the scientific method approach to controversial material, shutting down truthful dialog by labeling all that participate in such dialog as tin foil hat wearing, anti-semitic, racist, domestic terrorist flat earthers.

This will later be co-opted again when they choose to flip on NASA, exposing it for the that fraud it is, in favor of a more accurate cosmology in order to get flat earthers and conspiracy theorists on board to the NWO, since they may be the only ones left still alive that haven't taken the "vaccine".

Imagine being so cucked.

 

[freygeist]

Stars getting larger in cameras in high zoom is obviously because of imperfection of the optics or athmospheric distortion. FE/UFO community seems to be filled with extremely lack of technical understandings, which destroys good conversations. And it puts up a barrier to spread alternative cosmology because main stream people with good technical skills will think all alternative theories is like this and will laugh at everyone attached to this.
So yes, if FE is a psy-op it is damn well working exactly like planned.

If FE is a psyop then why when I search for Flat Earth videos on Youtube all I get is parodies and the only way to access real FE videos is to seek the channels that are dedicated to that topic?

Flat earth is a psyop that has many steps. The first question that must be asked is, "What is the goal of this psyop and what are the tactics to carry it out? There are many layers to this psyop. The fact that it is a psyop does not necessarily mean that the concept is in and of itself false. The psyop seeks to co-opt this concept and take it in a very specific direction.

The psyop began by first giving flat earth absolute credibility. The target audience was the awakening truth seekers that have already begun to come to the conclusion that we are being lied to on many fronts. This took place on YT in early 2015 with the first wave of timely information with the 200 Proofs video by Eric Dubay, in addition to an explosion of interviews he gave on alternative media platforms over the next succeeding months, berating fake science while exposing the fraud of NASA.

As this began to gain serious traction, the next wave of videos came out from Mark Sargent, with his "Flat Earth Clues" series, a dumbed down approach to flat earth with lots of speculation and very little real actual scientific data to back up the flat earth concept. He also went on an alt media tour, giving hundreds of interviews, behaving like a complete fool and idiot. This seemed to get much greater traction than Dubay's presence, resulting in an overall dumbing down of the information while making followers of this information look foolish by direct association with Sargent. Also, hangout groups began popping up, seemingly out of the woodwork, discussing and showcasing the arising conflict that quickly developed between those supporting Dubay's more scientific approach versus Sargent's speculative rantings.

Wave three came with the flat earth debunkers, those that attempted to either use mainstream scientific ideas to prove a spinning ball or to troll flat earthers, labeling them as unscientific tin foil hat wearers.

Dubay then upped the ante by posting "Hitler vs the Jew World Order". This was the masterful stroke of the psyop, since it now lumped Eric Dubay with not only "tin foil hat conspiracy theorists", but it also now identified anyone looking into flat earth as anti-Semites.

The synthesis could now take place. Now that flat earth research was merged with anti-Semitic research, the mainstream media could now freely label anyone looking into flat earth as conspiracy nuts, haters, racists, and potential domestic terrorists.

With the great Covid-Youtube censorship purge, most of these videos were nearly completely wiped from Youtube's servers. Those that had been making a living through monetized platforms were now de-platformed, forced to start from scratch on other competing platforms like Bitchute and lbry and others, which was now an uphill battle, since video content was now scrutinized much more intensely.

This is the reason why it is now quite difficult to find any decent, credibly presented videos on this subject on Youtube, with some exceptions. Those that made flat earth look really bad from the beginning, your Mark Sargent types, can still be easily found on Youtube, except that now it is so completely marginalized, even they get hardly any views anymore.

Since videos take up such great bandwidth space, those who thought their uploaded videos on YT would be there forever, failed to back these videos up onto storage drives. As a result, many of those great early proof videos are gone forever. Those that did back up their videos are slowly uploading them back onto other platforms, but exposure is far more minimal.

What this leaves us with is the one step forward, two steps back approach to information war, since the greatest grass roots archive of our time has now been completely whitewashed to become just another competing pay-per-view streaming cable network.

I would say that the flat earth psyop has succeeded in its agenda: to completely invert the scientific method approach to controversial material, shutting down truthful dialog by labeling all that participate in such dialog as tin foil hat wearing, anti-semitic, racist, domestic terrorist flat earthers.

This will later be co-opted again when they choose to flip on NASA, exposing it for the that fraud it is, in favor of a more accurate cosmology in order to get flat earthers and conspiracy theorists on board to the NWO, since they may be the only ones left still alive that haven't taken the "vaccine".

Imagine being so cucked.

While i don't agree on his statement, that this whole thing is a psyop, you have to admit that he made some fair points about certain individuals in this scene. But nonetheless most points still stand, that were being made by genuine researchers, and there are still many things to be explored about this subject.

 

[grav]

Well, whoa. Let's be careful.
It's not Flat Earth that is the psyop; it's the carpetbaggers who joined the 'origjnal gangsta' truthers to take advantage of the movement.
Yes, Dubay should have tempered his language about Zionism and Hitler's role in the Israel NWO agenda. but but his assessment should stand on its own merits, or faults, and not influence FE science.

Almost all the old researchers have gone to hangouts. Often, these are 2 hour productions that fill no need that I can see. Even if they present good information, I will not sit still long enough for these talk fests. I'm subscribed to dozens of YT channels and almost never see anything I care to watch. One exception, Taboo Conspiracy, continues to do field work to prove lack of observable curvature.

Sadly, we seem to be in a rut. Geoshifter's Flat Earth Friends was promising a few years ago. Lack of interest has let that forum go downhill.

Why? We are not getting our message out there, but maybe Covid and Biden-Trump have sucked all the air out of ct. CT means critical thinking, but the world at large still thinks of it, and us, as crazy conspiracy thinking.

Big Tech is our major enemy now. They censor the Truth community. Google, Youtube, Facebook, newspapers, and other media outlets have suborned what used to call the life of the mind. People want what our pets want. A safe space, food, comfort. Not truth. Our leaders aren't doing their jobs. And I mean the FE leaders who no longer reach out to educate the public.

 

[Bitbybit]

One of the bigger clues that FE has validity, is the extent of the vilification of the theory. The degree of psyop that has been engaged to discredit it, is evidence enough that we have stumbled upon something significant. If a theory is far fetched enough, nobody bothers to debunk it. If it instead hits a nerve, all hell breaks loose and people pile on to muddy the waters.

This is not necessary how it works.
Until a couple of years ago I defended mainstream theories and tried to debunk all alternative history and cosmology.
But i "woke up".
And Flat Earth threads inside a forum is comparable for me like trying to discuss if Vitruvius or Ceasar was a real person, then other threads are constantly discussing that Napoleons triumphant arc must be made of bananas because it is obviously curved, and if you zoom in you can see yellow pigments in the stone.

So the nerve that is hit could be called flabbergasting. I think this state is why many alternative critics first reply to FE, because its hard to resist when you read something like that.

 

[Lightseeker]

Well, whoa. Let's be careful.
It's not Flat Earth that is the psyop; it's the carpetbaggers who joined the 'origjnal gangsta' truthers to take advantage of the movement.
Yes, Dubay should have tempered his language about Zionism and Hitler's role in the Israel NWO agenda. but but his assessment should stand on its own merits, or faults, and not influence FE science.

Almost all the old researchers have gone to hangouts. Often, these are 2 hour productions that fill no need that I can see. Even if they present good information, I will not sit still long enough for these talk fests. I'm subscribed to dozens of YT channels and almost never see anything I care to watch. One exception, Taboo Conspiracy, continues to do field work to prove lack of observable curvature.

Sadly, we seem to be in a rut. Geoshifter's Flat Earth Friends was promising a few years ago. Lack of interest has let that forum go downhill.

Why? We are not getting our message out there, but maybe Covid and Biden-Trump have sucked all the air out of ct. CT means critical thinking, but the world at large still thinks of it, and us, as crazy conspiracy thinking.

Big Tech is our major enemy now. They censor the Truth community. Google, Youtube, Facebook, newspapers, and other media outlets have suborned what used to call the life of the mind. People want what our pets want. A safe space, food, comfort. Not truth. Our leaders aren't doing their jobs. And I mean the FE leaders who no longer reach out to educate the public.

Eric Dubay seems the most believable/authentic of all modern FE.

 

[veeall]

I enjoy 'Vlad from Flat Earth' videos, short clips using his Nikon P1000 to record video of star and 'planet' movements. I particularly like his images of stars that look like wave forms jumping around and flashing different colors. No solid globes there. Debunkers say it's just an image out of focus, but what about the dancing around? Distortions are much more pronounced

He made an interesting comment in this latest video - How come some stars get larger in his view finder as he zooms in? If they are supposedly millions and billions of light years away, it shouldn't matter how much you zoom., they should stay points of light. Is there a come back to that observation?


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drY1VhhFbD8

Very nice lightwaves in this video. I've checked this stars-thingy with my p1000 and i think it doesn't hold - when manually adjusting the focus ring while zoomed in, at some point the star loses its wavy look and becomes (basically) a smaller dot light you would expect. It is still interesting effect though. Images of the moon aren't so much distorted by atmosphere at maximum zoom than far objects on earth, maybe the simple answer of these being just air distortions is also not correct.

Regarding the earth shape, i just remembered - An interesting quote from Viktor Grebennikov, the antigravity platform guy: (while going higher) "The huge disk of the Earth with all this for some reason appears more and more concave-I still haven't discovered the reason for this already familiar illusion."

 

[grav]

I enjoy 'Vlad from Flat Earth' videos, short clips using his Nikon P1000 to record video of star and 'planet' movements. I particularly like his images of stars that look like wave forms jumping around and flashing different colors. No solid globes there. Debunkers say it's just an image out of focus, but what about the dancing around? Distortions are much more pronounced

He made an interesting comment in this latest video - How come some stars get larger in his view finder as he zooms in? If they are supposedly millions and billions of light years away, it shouldn't matter how much you zoom., they should stay points of light. Is there a come back to that observation?


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drY1VhhFbD8

Very nice lightwaves in this video. I've checked this stars-thingy with my p1000 and i think it doesn't hold - when manually adjusting the focus ring while zoomed in, at some point the star loses its wavy look and becomes (basically) a smaller dot light you would expect. It is still interesting effect though. Images of the moon aren't so much distorted by atmosphere at maximum zoom than far objects on earth, maybe the simple answer of these being just air distortions is also not correct.

Regarding the earth shape, i just remembered - An interesting quote from Viktor Grebennikov, the antigravity platform guy: (while going higher) "The huge disk of the Earth with all this for some reason appears more and more concave-I still haven't discovered the reason for this already familiar illusion."

Lightwave is a good term to describe whaf Crrow77 used to film in his lunar wave videos.
A wavy line would appear at the bottom of the moon and move up.

He explained that it wasn't a camera artifact or atmospheric distortion, but an actual movement of light that was more or less straight horizontally. If the moon were a rocky ball, the light would have curved around the sphere, but it remained flat, more or less, as it flowed from down to up, as if refreshing, updating, whatever.

I don't see much of this kind of investigation lately, now that everyone wants to be a blogger or hangout-er. Since the first lunar wave videos appeared, we have learned about the dome as a fixture (I hate to say light bulb!) which emits or displays plasma phenomena.

But that's kinda where I am right now. We live on a vast and irregular plane, know zilch about what lies below 7.5 miles. Overhead we see lights which fake science says are stars, planets, moon, sun. The glasslike motherboard embedded with led or other components makes as much sense as the vacuum of infinite space as advertised by the lying scumbags of the Body Scientific.

 

[Jd755]

I don't get the dome theory and find it odd that people who realise the ball theory is bollocks persist with the idea of 'half a ball' floating or being held up above our heads. Its obvious once one accepts the geometry of the eye is what it is that the only level line the eye recognises is the one that is at ninety degrees to the bodies vertical position. Everything we do is wholly based within this visual truth which to me shows that any convergence or curve over our heads is nothing more than a product of our optical geometry.
The sky whatever it is is just as likely to be as level as the interface of water vapour and contained water so dead level or it could conceivably go up and down as the land does down here.
If the water vapour is contained in the same way as the liquid water is though I would expect a level interface between the vapour over our heads and whatever is above the vapour.

It's all moot anyway, interesting but pure speculation as we cannot get our eyes to 'the top surface of the water vapour' best we get is getting them to the level of fogs or clouds and these phenomena are not contained for the most part and always moving even mist over a dead level surface of contained water such as a canal is moved by the slightest of movements within the vapour.

 

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I don't get the dome theory and find it odd that people who realise the ball theory is bollocks persist with the idea of 'half a ball' floating or being held up above our heads. Its obvious once one accepts the geometry of the eye is what it is that the only level line the eye recognises is the one that is at ninety degrees to the bodies

Dome? Of course we don't know the true shape of the firmament.
For air pressure to exist, there needs to be a lid over the living space terrarium.

It does seem to have "walls" that extend to the ground in the Antarctic outer limits. But it does not "float" as you suggest.

Dome does imply a round top, though.

I have used this image before, which plots the sun's path over one year.
Mos def not a half sphere. More like a Chinese hat maybe.
Did my image disappear while I was editing?

 

[Bitbybit]

Questions to Flat Earth proponents:

What is the twin paradox in General Relativity?
Is oil and gas really made of fossil?
Are the contintental plates really moving and crashing into each other?
Is quasar red shift really caused by universe expansion?
Is it possible to measure single photons?


View: https://youtu.be/NJjO2J7HTF8

 

[Jd755]

Dome? Of course we don't know the true shape of the firmament.
For air pressure to exist, there needs to be a lid over the living space terrarium.

It does seem to have "walls" that extend to the ground in the Antarctic outer limits. But it does not "float" as you suggest.

I've never seen walls but then again I've no idea where Antarctica is in relation to where I live..
All pressure is created by something pushing on something else as I might have mentioned pull and pulling are just descriptors of direction. In that light it is entirely possible that the 'lid' as you so aptly put it is in contact with the water vapour or maybe something else exists between the vapour and the lid that we know nothing about.
The direction of the push is from head to toe as far as I can tell not toe to head.
For the dome to be fixed to walls or sides as in a lidded jar then it is hard to realise where the push could come from as the walls of the jar dome would prevent pressure being applied from outside, assuming there is an outside, and within the dome unless it is a pressurised environment produced when it was created there would be no increase of decrease in pressure possible as in a pressurised vessel it is the same pressure throughout the container.

How do you know what the Antarctic outer limits are or indeed where they are?

 

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1. Air pressure
2. Antarctica as flat earth boundary
3. Astronomy jargon BS


1. Air pressure is caused by particle density, which results from gas particles sitting on top of each other.
Gravity is not a force. Specific gravity is the ratio of densities of adjacent substances.

It looks like the attachment option won't upload my image.
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71Cnd4gCfVL._AC_SY679_.jpg

It shows how liquids form layers based on their specific gravity. Heavy liquids settle at the "bottom" while lighter substances "float" on top.

That's it. Observable. Demonstrable. Repeatable, with empirical data. Logical.

Electromagnetism is the only true force in nature.
Gravity is the false theory which globers fall back on to justify their fallacious model. Clouds float because their water particles are widely dispersed. Rain particles have greater density and fall to earth, where they accumulate and form bodies of water which seek their own level. Hence, level means flat and straight along an x-axis. Not curved equidistantally around a spinng ball, which should cause any 6th grade science teacher to blush with shame.

2. Antarctica, which you will nener be allowed to see (past 60°S). The Antarctic forbidden zone is patrolled by a military fleet. Yes, it is. The UN Treaty was established at the same time Nasa went online (~1958). Because that's when their Atom bomb tests (using TNT) mapped out the Lebensraum Earth.

3. As for Einstein, that old plagiarist, he was trotted out to invent his asinine space-time continuum relativity BS.

Addendum. As for Bittybit's multi-faceted list o' pseudoscience fables, try answering your own questions with the Electric Universe and Olbers's Paradox.

 

[Jd755]

Here's your image.

 

[Lightseeker]

Here's your image.

View attachment 6446​

That map doesn't show the four islands at the center, though...

 

[Bitbybit]

Electromagnetism is the only true force in nature.
Gravity is the false theory which globers fall back on to justify their fallacious model. Clouds float because their water particles are widely dispersed. Rain particles have greater density and fall to earth, where they accumulate and form bodies of water which seek their own level. Hence, level means flat and straight along an x-axis. Not curved equidistantally around a spinng ball, which should cause any 6th grade science teacher to blush with shame.

Is the moon a sphere?

Addendum. As for Bittybit's multi-faceted list o' pseudoscience fables, try answering your own questions with the Electric Universe and Olbers's Paradox.

TLT "Tired light theory" offers a good solution to the Olbers Paradox which i have no problem to adopt.
https://www.intechopen.com/books/redefining-standard-model-cosmology/tired-light-denies-the-big-bang