Flat Earth

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Two quotations below, which examine "ancient" descriptions of the dome as a solid expanse, close enough for people to see it.
Chicken Little was worried that the sky was falling.
Jack climbed a beanstalk to break into a giant's home.

And then, the sky was raised higher and out of reach of curious humans.The first quotation refers, of course, to the Tower of Babel and the origin of languages.

"Those who gave counsel to build the tower, for they whom thou seest drove forth multitudes of both men and women, to make bricks; among whom, a woman making bricks was not allowed to be released in the hour of child-birth, but brought forth while she was making bricks, and carried her child in her apron, and continued to make bricks. And the Lord appeared to them and confused their speech, when they had built the tower to the height of four hundred and sixty-three cubits. And they took a gimlet, and sought to pierce the heavens, saying, Let us see (whether) the heaven is made of clay, or of brass, or of iron. When God saw this He did not permit them, but smote them with blindness and confusion of speech, and rendered them as thou seest. (Greek Apocalypse of Baruch, 3:5–8)"

Wikipedia:

The Flammarion engraving (1888) depicts a man crawling under the edge of the sky, depicted as if it were a solid hemisphere, to look at the mysterious Empyrean beyond. The caption underneath the engraving (not shown here) translates to "A medieval missionary tells that he has found the point where heaven and Earth meet..."The word firmament translates shamayim (=115%שָׁמַיִם‎) or rāqîa (=115%רָקִ֫יעַ‎), a word used in Biblical Hebrew. shamayim is translated as "heaven". Rāqîa derives from the root raqqəʿ (רָקַע), meaning "to beat or spread out thinly", e.g., the process of making a dish by hammering thin a lump of metal.^[5][6]
The Hebrews believed the sky was a solid dome with the Sun, Moon, planets and stars embedded in it.^[7] According to The Jewish Encyclopedia:
The Hebrews regarded the earth as a plain or a hill figured like a hemisphere, swimming on water. Over this is arched the solid vault of heaven. To this vault are fastened the lights, the stars. So slight is this elevation that birds may rise to it and fly along its expanse.^[8]
The 6th-century Egyptian traveller Cosmas Indicopleustes formulated a detailed Christian view of the universe, based on various Biblical texts and on earlier theories by Theophilus of Antioch (2nd century CE) and by Clement of Alexandria (c. 150 – c. 215). Cosmas described a flat rectangular world surrounded by four seas; at the far edges of the seas, four immense vertical walls supported a vaulted roof, the firmament, above which in a further vaulted space lived angels who moved the heavenly bodies and controlled rainfall from a vast cistern.^[9

 

[veeall]

What is the benefit of denying a FE and instead saying it is a globe?

In general, IMO, if there's a lie, the agenda behind it is well hidden. Like someone rhetorically asking 'why would i lie?' - as if not being able to come up with the reason for a lie establishes it's truthfulness.

 

[David Glenney]

Yeah. A friend asked me years ago, "Why would they lie about the shape of earth?" As if a plausible-sounding speculation would outweigh any observations.

Who am I to say why psychopaths deceive everyone about everything? I am not involved in their fraud.

I guessed, "To make people atheists. Seems to work very well." Of course the gentleman who asked is an atheist space believer who got offended when I called schools indoctrination camps. They have made a monkey's nephew out of him.

Another, slightly more aware friend asked himself, "Why am I getting mad?" when I confessed to him my world-view.

A flat earth practically proves creation. If you had something like a worldwide satanic dictatorship, especially if most of its power was smoke and mirrors--or photoshop and monopolies--pulling the ground out from under your feet and flinging it into a void might be the first order of business.

Fool spectrum dominance.

 

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My question is if the Flat Earth is true then do the people hiding it have the accurate information of the firmament and the size and distance of the sun and moon?

The people hiding it are Nasa Nazis who came to the US after WW2.

I can't embed this image,

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e2/9/15/e2961551cd43866402c0e355a1787197.jpg
which shows Operation Fishbowl as the project which mapped the dome.

Tptb have known the flat earth truth for 50 years.

 

[space966]

I was reading novel, action goes in village, year is 1880 or 1890, east Prussia, nowadays known as Kaliningrad Oblast , there's episode, when children come from school laughing and say: '`Did you know, what they teach in school? That Earth is round!" Parents keep serious and everybody became silent.

Also, why in Southern hemisphere Moon is upside down?

 

[Jd755]

From the recent complete archive upload in no particular order.

https://stolenhistory.net/threads/is-flat-earth-a-psyop.5190/https://stolenhistory.net/threads/is-the-flat-earth-conspiracy-the-conspiracy.4617/https://stolenhistory.net/threads/questions-about-flat-earth.4920/https://stolenhistory.net/threads/polish-asstronaut-admits-earth-is-flat.5034/https://stolenhistory.net/threads/how-to-logically-prove-a-round-earth.1079/https://stolenhistory.net/threads/the-concave-earth-discussion.4914/

 

[Knowncitizen]

The people hiding it are Nasa Nazis who came to the US after WW2.

I can't embed this image,

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e2/9/15/e2961551cd43866402c0e355a1787197.jpg
which shows Operation Fishbowl as the project which mapped the dome.

Tptb have known the flat earth truth for 50 years.

The image link doesn't work for me, any chance you can embed this image?

 

[grav]

Recent posts discussed above:
--Jesus and religion in general. Touchy topic, but my own understanding is that the NT Christ figure did not exist historically. He was more likely the Byzantine emperor, Andronikos I Komnenos. Other archetypes of the Enlightened One were Buddha, Quetzalcoatl, Krisha, Zoroaster, etc.

-- embedding images. I suck at that! Sometimes the digital gods smile on me and I can get a meme to embed. Mostly, not. Operation Fishbowl is easily Googled.
Here is a more "scientific" image that represents the atom bomb tests that sounded out the dimensions of the dome. Yet another psyop, as atom bombs are impossible. TNT and other explosives created the awe-inspiring mushroom clouds. Nagasaki and Hiroshima were fire-bombed.

When we hear the word 'science' we should always remember that the Scientific Method was murdered by Einstein and Galileo many moons ago.
And many other people who knowingly lie and cheat for the Illuminati.

Yep. I still suck. I can't delete the spare image and can't embed a larger size.

 

[space966]

As for now, I accept Earth form like this, this small ball inside is Earth or our observation point, everything is around, horizon is flat.

 

[Jd755]

As for now I don't have a scooby doo what shape it is or if it has one or needs one.

Here's video that might shake a few people up but what the hell.
Edit to add. It gets a bit broader than flat earth so if a mod thinks it needs shifting be my guest.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsSqR0tyjWQ
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[6079SmithW]

https://globeterminator.com/
It's flat

 

[Jd755]

Contained water is level earth is bumpy!

Shamelessly stolen from the comments under this video. Plagiarising is all mine.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVaCPr2Op7U
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[Sigian]

Just remember that "flat" and "level" are actually two completely different things. Flat is flat, a 180° plane if you may, and level is level according to the pull of earth's gravity towards the center of the planet. I just can't find it in me at this point in time to say that the Earth is otherwise a globe, well a squished globe at least. There's really no true reason to lie about it, religious wise I don't subscribe to any sorry to me it is just yet another form of control with 100's plus different variations, not just one.

I do thank you for all the information provided herein though Grav, a good plethora of information to pour over for those that are interested in the idea. And take me saying "idea" lightly, it's like a religious person trying to convert you, they may like the story, but I'm just not fully convinced yet. If you don't mind I wanna stuck around and see what else may arise informational wise.

 

[Jd755]

It seems a bit too long for me to watch,

So you didn't watch but scanned the comments and came to a position on the content. Well done.

 

[Starman]

It seems a bit too long for me to watch, but it appears some of the Flat Earth people seem to be having problems. I believe most of its self-inflicted. It's kind of sad, but when you think large numbers of people are lying to you it's a sign of paranoia and not that you've discovered a big secret.

kind of an elementary observation

appears to me to be a child’s view of others

seeing people as easily swayed and driven by fearful impulses

must be a real looking down on others as beneath your station

easily packaged as wayward thinkers less sophisticated than you

must be enjoyable to see yourself atop the heap

a kind of childish superiority

hubris

wonder why you bother with this forum

 

[Citezenship]

It seems a bit too long for me to watch, but it appears some of the Flat Earth people seem to be having problems. I believe most of its self-inflicted. It's kind of sad, but when you think large numbers of people are lying to you it's a sign of paranoia and not that you've discovered a big secret.

For those that have listened to this guy for even a short amount of time understand and empathise with his position that it is not just the shape but whole environment, as it is one lie built on another, that there is no free, there is no health, history is as much of inside joke as particle physics, I too struggle to maintain an acceptable balance of sanity in such an upside down place but hey, I haven't had my vax yet!

 

[Jd755]

Is the youtube algorithm only locating the craziest and most nonsensical Flat Earth videos on purpose

You needed to ask?
Trust yourself its all you have and all you need.

Here one theory postulates a spinning ball and yet practical lived reality we experience through our senses show us this. Buttermere to be precise a lake found in the British Lake District. The horizon is the dead level bit slap bang in the middle of the image. The water is dead level from camera viewpoint to the horizon and equally level from shore to shore across the width of the mere.
EDIT to add. It also disproves the flat earth theory as well as earth is very bumpy!

Anyone can replicate a contained body of water and spin it to see what happens to it.. Size of the contained body of water has no bearing on what happens.
Watch the Norwegian sea tunnel video, it's short so won't take you long. That reveals the engineering that is going to be used all built off of the sea (a very big contained body of water) being dead level on both entry/exit points of the tunnel.

 

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The earth is flat. And it's level along an x-axis horizon.
What other name choice do we have? Geocentric Earth? nah.
This is petty semantics.

Almost everyone here is satisfied with the term as it is commonly used.

I'd rather we spend our time exploring the science of Terra Firma. That term also has several meanings -- dry land - or - fixed, steady, unmoving.

Not only do we struggle with the descriptive name of our world, we have also been cheated of evidence which, like the name of this forum, is stolen.
Nasa Nazis have known since the 50s and 60s that our flat world is a closed system.
Antarctica is not a continent. Besides holding the oceans in place, it is the outer wall of the prison that is earth. I don't mean the ice shelf that ships anchor next to. I mean the inner regions where the dome meets the surface. It may even continue below the surface, forming an oval or egglike cosmology.

Some of the images in this meme remind me that some ancient cultures spoke of an underground Hell. Like the Hebrew Sheol. I've also seen comments lately about Tartaria sounding like Tartarus, the depths of earrh where the wicked are punished and the Titans are emprisoned. Does that mean that Tartaria was Hell?

 

[Sigian]

Don't think it was hell, look at the Shagri-La myths that place it deep inside the earth guarded by monks, or even the Antarctic stories of a lush underground civilization, talked about by the Nazi's and further perpetuated by Admiral Byrd. Maybe the whole up is down and down is up applies, instead of heaven up and hell down biblical sense.

 

[veeall]

You needed to ask?
Trust yourself its all you have and all you need.

Here one theory postulates a spinning ball and yet practical lived reality we experience through our senses show us this. Buttermere to be precise a lake found in the British Lake District. The horizon is the dead level bit slap bang in the middle of the image. The water is dead level from camera viewpoint to the horizon and equally level from shore to shore across the width of the mere.
EDIT to add. It also disproves the flat earth theory as well as earth is very bumpy!

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Anyone can replicate a contained body of water and spin it to see what happens to it.. Size of the contained body of water has no bearing on what happens.
Watch the Norwegian sea tunnel video, it's short so won't take you long. That reveals the engineering that is going to be used all built off of the sea (a very big contained body of water) being dead level on both entry/exit points of the tunnel.

And there's no spherical distortions on the reflection. Even though it's just a small landscape here, maybe few miles across, but then, everybody has seen how curved surfaces distort the reflections - got to appear somewhere.

And tunnels, if they do not compensate for earths curvature, they would dig higher by the same rate as earth curves.

The same for compensating for coriolis effect, not needed, because it's not reality.