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3:09 for a couple of images and 1:51:50 for the beginning of the electrostatic gradient anti-gravity and gravity discussions.
1:49:30 for where the gravity discussion begins. the experiments are at 2:13:00
if you want to see the electrostatic gradient experiments alone.. here is the much shorter source video
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbrNVbDYxiE
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If you want to see some more FE information, check out this thread
What you will find is that several of the posters here post the exact same things there, some have the same name, and even have the same conversations with 'each other', which means - let's face it - this is a containment thread.
Welcome to the land of the psyop.
What you will find is that several of the posters here post the exact same things there, some have the same name, and even have the same conversations with 'each other', which means - let's face it - this is a containment thread.
Welcome to the land of the psyop.
I suspected as much. I first came across this on a sceptics site where whole groups of posters would engage in banter which was quite clearly one person with a day job and different names having an argument with himself. It became so tedious that a lot of real posters left which was the aim I guess. But it does have a kind of fascination when you know what’s going on to see what their agenda of the day happens to be. There’s something to learn from what you’re being steered away from - quite clearly all FE thinking is anathema to them and has to be made as nonsensical and counterintuitive as possible to drive the herd in the opposite direction. The mistake they’ve made is to make it so obvious that the herd are no longer listening to anything but their own intuition and the gig is up.
Nearly everybody on this site seems genuine to me. Genuine in their own strange ways 
To go back to the actual topic, we know the Earth is flat because we can prove it via direct measurements and observations, especially over large expanses of water. There are thousands and thousands of examples of this.
However, the movements of the Sun, Moon, Stars and Planets are all very well explained by the so-called Copernican model. It's fair enough to call this the 'Spinning ball model' if you like. Actually Copernicus thought the planets orbited in circles, it wasn't until a hundred years later that Kepler said the orbits are elliptical. Galileo lived at the same time as Kepler and Tycho Brahe. Brahe had a nice life and plenty of funding and spent his whole life studying the positions of the planets and so on. He was the only guy with accurate enough measurements to be able to prove Galileo and Kepler's models. Brahe himself believed the Earth was stationary, the Sun and Moon orbit around the Earth and the Planets orbit around the Sun.
You can take all the information contained in the Copernican model and flip it around so that the Earth is stationary if you like. Even Einstein agrees with this. That's how you get diagrams like this motion of Venus relative to the Earth.
You can flip it around so the Sky is rotating around every 23 hours and 56 minutes, and the Sun goes around every 24 hours. You can map out all the movements of the Planets to produce maps similar to the movements of Venus.
The only thing that makes it appear we are on a globe is the fact that the Sky appears to rotate clockwise in the Northern hemisphere, and anticlockwise in the Southern hemisphere, which is exactly consistent with the spinning ball. Or with the Earth being a stationary ball and the Sky spinning round.
I've been talking to my two Astrophysics contacts and trying to understand the spinning ball model better. There are several things about it that can be proven via observation. For example I posted earlier how the apparent clockwise rotation of the Moon's face as seen from Northern latitudes can be explained by the model. Under the spinning ball model, the Moon would appear to rock back and forth like a pendulum, rather than rotating at a constant rate. This could be proven by observation, for example by getting a Nikon P900 and taking a photo of the Moon every 20 minutes all through the night.
The other issue is why the light/dark axis of the Moon does not appear to be pointing in the correct orientation compared to where the Sun is. I do not fully understand this, however my friend kindly explained the basic maths of it to me yesterday, and when I have time I will work through that fully. Both my contacts assure me this will give more proof of the spinning ball model.
As far as I can see, the Earth is both flat and round at the same time, and we humans are not smart enough to truly understand what is going on. As Tesla said, the Earth is not an object, it is an infinite realm with no edges.
To go back to the actual topic, we know the Earth is flat because we can prove it via direct measurements and observations, especially over large expanses of water. There are thousands and thousands of examples of this.
However, the movements of the Sun, Moon, Stars and Planets are all very well explained by the so-called Copernican model. It's fair enough to call this the 'Spinning ball model' if you like. Actually Copernicus thought the planets orbited in circles, it wasn't until a hundred years later that Kepler said the orbits are elliptical. Galileo lived at the same time as Kepler and Tycho Brahe. Brahe had a nice life and plenty of funding and spent his whole life studying the positions of the planets and so on. He was the only guy with accurate enough measurements to be able to prove Galileo and Kepler's models. Brahe himself believed the Earth was stationary, the Sun and Moon orbit around the Earth and the Planets orbit around the Sun.
You can take all the information contained in the Copernican model and flip it around so that the Earth is stationary if you like. Even Einstein agrees with this. That's how you get diagrams like this motion of Venus relative to the Earth.
You can flip it around so the Sky is rotating around every 23 hours and 56 minutes, and the Sun goes around every 24 hours. You can map out all the movements of the Planets to produce maps similar to the movements of Venus.
The only thing that makes it appear we are on a globe is the fact that the Sky appears to rotate clockwise in the Northern hemisphere, and anticlockwise in the Southern hemisphere, which is exactly consistent with the spinning ball. Or with the Earth being a stationary ball and the Sky spinning round.
I've been talking to my two Astrophysics contacts and trying to understand the spinning ball model better. There are several things about it that can be proven via observation. For example I posted earlier how the apparent clockwise rotation of the Moon's face as seen from Northern latitudes can be explained by the model. Under the spinning ball model, the Moon would appear to rock back and forth like a pendulum, rather than rotating at a constant rate. This could be proven by observation, for example by getting a Nikon P900 and taking a photo of the Moon every 20 minutes all through the night.
The other issue is why the light/dark axis of the Moon does not appear to be pointing in the correct orientation compared to where the Sun is. I do not fully understand this, however my friend kindly explained the basic maths of it to me yesterday, and when I have time I will work through that fully. Both my contacts assure me this will give more proof of the spinning ball model.
As far as I can see, the Earth is both flat and round at the same time, and we humans are not smart enough to truly understand what is going on. As Tesla said, the Earth is not an object, it is an infinite realm with no edges.
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'Round' can also refer to a flat disk, as the Gleason azimuthal-equidistant map represents.
But a globe can't be flat, so there's that.
As for the true nature of the thread's posters, I find them to be honest brokers of their own interpretations of the world's true nature.
I just don't see disrupters here, nothing compared to generic forums which often mock or ban flat earth discussions.
Yesterday, on one small forum, I mentioned something that this forum discourages -- departing from the main topic. But I thought it was relevant. Myth.
Specifically, the notion of world ages, with the first being the Golden Age, which proposes Saturn as a behemoth structure casting a dim purplish haze.
Actually, believe it or not, the Electric Universe Thunderbolts physicists do go along with the premise of Saturn as earth's first sun. They are not flatearthers, at least not in public.
I'm inclined to agree about Saturn, as I suspect the creators of our computer Matrix realm were immature teenagers who liked purple and exciting adventures.
Well, was I derailing just now? by defiling unity and coherence and going down a side road into a CT jungle (which might irk some people who expect straight science)?
Why, oh why, must we adhere to proper rules of debate and logic, when the Control System gets away with murder, both figurative and liberal?
Here is official proof of the round globe sphere in a vacuum.
It's hard to not roll your eyes when you see this doofy dealio.
http://i2.wp.com/www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/dscovrepicmoontransitfull.gif?resize=985,554
Seriously
lol#2 ? ?
With Nasa's budget, you'd expect a more realistic rendering.
It's as if an astro-not's schoolchild got Photoshop for Christmas, then made this for a school project.
And how about that moon? Do you even need Photoshop for that?
Balls always appear as a flat disc in our vision always always always without fail.
Face it we are not equipped to determine the shape of anything of scale. We are equipped to go wandering about though but we don't we sit and exchange pleasantries on the internet.
Yes we are that daft.
Face it we are not equipped to determine the shape of anything of scale. We are equipped to go wandering about though but we don't we sit and exchange pleasantries on the internet.
Yes we are that daft.
I used to be deeply invested in the space program for reasons I don't want to share on a public forum. It's been difficult for me to accept that the Moon landing was faked. However I've now seen so many examples of obvious fakery that it's hard to ignore. Also I saw a video clip recently of Buzz Aldrin telling a small child that he didn't go to the Moon, so that's that as far as I'm concerned.
I love myths. The only person I've previously heard talk about Saturn was once a second sun is David Icke.
I've studied the American native myths via the Toltecs and the Hopi. I intend to write a post on this someday. The Hopi count four ages (we are in the fourth, transitioning into the fifth) and the Mexicans talk about five previous ages currently transitioning into the sixth Sun. Both sets of myths align quite well. The Toltecs talk about how the previous cycle was ended by flood (like every civilisation on Earth) and the one before that by Ice. The age before that was ended by fire. And so on, I will look into my notes and write this up properly one day.
The book of the Hopi talks about a golden age of abundance when Man needed to do nothing because everything he needed was readily available and all the Earth was fertile and abundant, a paradise. Man could talk to the animals, who were His main teachers. In the second world, all these perfect conditions continued, however Man developed specialisation, so each person had a specific role within society.
In both sets of myths there came a time when Man became disconnected from Nature and lost the ability to communicate with the animals. Man became obsessed with power and eventually destroyed himself. It's analogous to the Tower of Babel story. That would be at least two cycles ago. The Mexican calendar has cycles of 13 days, 260 days, 365.25 days, 52 years, 6500 years and 26000 years.
Each cycle of 6500 years is called a 'Sun' and given a name like the Jaguar Sun, which was the cycle before last. We are currently exiting the Tecpatl Sun and entering the Quetzalcoatl Sun. I've forgotten the name of the Sun in between the Jaguar Sun and the Tecpatl Sun, that was the one that ended with flood. The great pyramids were said to be built during the Jaguar Sun, i.e. from 13000 - 19500 years ago.
I don't have the name of the cycle before the Jaguar Sun (I will look it up) but the world was said to be ruled by giants then. So that's over 20,000 years ago, according to the Toltec tradition.
I love myths. The only person I've previously heard talk about Saturn was once a second sun is David Icke.
I've studied the American native myths via the Toltecs and the Hopi. I intend to write a post on this someday. The Hopi count four ages (we are in the fourth, transitioning into the fifth) and the Mexicans talk about five previous ages currently transitioning into the sixth Sun. Both sets of myths align quite well. The Toltecs talk about how the previous cycle was ended by flood (like every civilisation on Earth) and the one before that by Ice. The age before that was ended by fire. And so on, I will look into my notes and write this up properly one day.
The book of the Hopi talks about a golden age of abundance when Man needed to do nothing because everything he needed was readily available and all the Earth was fertile and abundant, a paradise. Man could talk to the animals, who were His main teachers. In the second world, all these perfect conditions continued, however Man developed specialisation, so each person had a specific role within society.
In both sets of myths there came a time when Man became disconnected from Nature and lost the ability to communicate with the animals. Man became obsessed with power and eventually destroyed himself. It's analogous to the Tower of Babel story. That would be at least two cycles ago. The Mexican calendar has cycles of 13 days, 260 days, 365.25 days, 52 years, 6500 years and 26000 years.
Each cycle of 6500 years is called a 'Sun' and given a name like the Jaguar Sun, which was the cycle before last. We are currently exiting the Tecpatl Sun and entering the Quetzalcoatl Sun. I've forgotten the name of the Sun in between the Jaguar Sun and the Tecpatl Sun, that was the one that ended with flood. The great pyramids were said to be built during the Jaguar Sun, i.e. from 13000 - 19500 years ago.
I don't have the name of the cycle before the Jaguar Sun (I will look it up) but the world was said to be ruled by giants then. So that's over 20,000 years ago, according to the Toltec tradition.
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It means that there are some very prolific FE posters out there who seem to be in every forum imaginable - from davidicke.com over the usual FE forums to godlikeproductions. Everything beyond that is speculation.
This is a reminder to prolific FE posters like @otl2021, @FarewellAngelina and @grav and others that
a) you should not copy paste stuff here that you wrote elsewhere.
b) There are enough places that focus on FE on the web, please keep in mind the specific purpose of this forum
This thread should be reserved for genuine discussion between members trying to make sense of FE concepts.
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Copy/paste is not allowed, why?
Copyright issues? In which forums claim ownership of material that posters write? The legal ramifications of this common practiced are cloudy, in my opinion.
I see no reason we cannot repeat our own words.
As for FE-friendly sites, they are becoming scarcer than hen's teeth.
Also unsure of what the "specific purpose" of this forum.
I'll probably be deleting my account anyway.
Flat earth is not welcome here.
When admin is against you, move on.
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It's not disallowed per se, but it leaves the impression of bot-like and spammy behavior, if it happens in excess.
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That statement is false. All research concerning the realm we live in now, and historically is and has always been welcome. The criteria to consider is whether you are posting NEW info, thoughts or ideas, or just regurgitating the same arguments which have been around for some years now.
There are those who sincerely question the idea due to first exposure, and they can read through the many ideas already posted in this and the other thread.
We have threads on concave earth, hollow earth and flat earth and the only problem with these threads is that they create believers, as in a religion, despite the fact that none can be outright proven due to the obvious constraints on travel and the lack of available truthful information among others.
A thread has a purpose to offer ideas, initiate research and discuss findings intelligently. When this is no longer happening, the thread loses its purpose.
THE STOLEN HISTORY OF FLAT EARTH
There is an an attempt going on right now to rewrite the history of Flat Earth!
Over the last few years, I've noticed some messaging within social media, television etc which is all saying that Mankind has believed the Earth was a spinning ball since Hipparchus 2500 years ago. This flies in the face of everything I was taught at school. It negates the Medieval Catholic Church teaching that the world was flat, and also negates the story of Galileo being forced to recant his globe Earth heresy on pain of execution.
If you search for 'Flat Earth' on YT, the second result is from the Guardian
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4kM5zwxThE&ab_channel=TheGuardian
It's gone now, but the top result last time I checked was a similar piece from National Geographic. Both these pieces say that 'Scientists' have always believed the Earth was Round since 2500 years ago. I've also seen video clips on YT of a recent television quiz show in which quizmaster Stephen Fry asked the question 'How long have people believed the Earth was round?' The answer given was 2500 years. So it seems there is messaging being placed to create this new narrative.
I was always taught that the ancient Greeks believed the Earth was round from about 500BC until their civilisation was eclipsed by the Romans, but then the Roman Empire and the Medieval Catholic Church both believed the Earth was flat for more than 1600 years until Galileo came along and 'Proved' the Heliocentric model. Galileo was threatened with being burnt at the stake if he did not recant. So he withdrew from public life and it wasn't until the 1700s, after Galileo had died, that the modern Heliocentric model became widely accepted. That's what I was taught.
When I was at school, I was taught a very specific narrative about Columbus, and so was everyone of my generation. The narrative is
1) In 1492, everyone believed the Earth was flat, and if you sailed too far, you would fall off the edge.
2) Columbus set out to prove everyone wrong by sailing around the world.
3) He expected to arrive in India, but accidentally discovered America instead. This is why we call Native Americans 'Indians' to this day.
To understand how widespread this narrative was, watch this YT clip from 1967 in which a woman sings 'They all laughed at Christopher Columbus, when he said the world was round' - Fast forward to 4 minutes to see this song.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhrHzuGZyB8&ab_channel=MrDjango1953
There is an an attempt going on right now to rewrite the history of Flat Earth!
Over the last few years, I've noticed some messaging within social media, television etc which is all saying that Mankind has believed the Earth was a spinning ball since Hipparchus 2500 years ago. This flies in the face of everything I was taught at school. It negates the Medieval Catholic Church teaching that the world was flat, and also negates the story of Galileo being forced to recant his globe Earth heresy on pain of execution.
If you search for 'Flat Earth' on YT, the second result is from the Guardian
Flat Earth rising: meet the people casting aside 2,500 years of science
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4kM5zwxThE&ab_channel=TheGuardian
It's gone now, but the top result last time I checked was a similar piece from National Geographic. Both these pieces say that 'Scientists' have always believed the Earth was Round since 2500 years ago. I've also seen video clips on YT of a recent television quiz show in which quizmaster Stephen Fry asked the question 'How long have people believed the Earth was round?' The answer given was 2500 years. So it seems there is messaging being placed to create this new narrative.
I was always taught that the ancient Greeks believed the Earth was round from about 500BC until their civilisation was eclipsed by the Romans, but then the Roman Empire and the Medieval Catholic Church both believed the Earth was flat for more than 1600 years until Galileo came along and 'Proved' the Heliocentric model. Galileo was threatened with being burnt at the stake if he did not recant. So he withdrew from public life and it wasn't until the 1700s, after Galileo had died, that the modern Heliocentric model became widely accepted. That's what I was taught.
When I was at school, I was taught a very specific narrative about Columbus, and so was everyone of my generation. The narrative is
1) In 1492, everyone believed the Earth was flat, and if you sailed too far, you would fall off the edge.
2) Columbus set out to prove everyone wrong by sailing around the world.
3) He expected to arrive in India, but accidentally discovered America instead. This is why we call Native Americans 'Indians' to this day.
To understand how widespread this narrative was, watch this YT clip from 1967 in which a woman sings 'They all laughed at Christopher Columbus, when he said the world was round' - Fast forward to 4 minutes to see this song.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhrHzuGZyB8&ab_channel=MrDjango1953
I can remember being told that belief in the flat Earth was still commonplace in the 19th century, and the change to belief in the globe was one of the enlightenments of the 19th century.
Then later, as you said, people in 16th/17th century were burnt at the stake for the heresy of saying the Earth is not flat.
And now, we are told that belief in a flat Earth started as a 19th century psyop.
Then later, as you said, people in 16th/17th century were burnt at the stake for the heresy of saying the Earth is not flat.
And now, we are told that belief in a flat Earth started as a 19th century psyop.
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Is the worldview of people related to what they spend most of their free time doing ? When people look at flat screens a lot today, they seem to believe in flat earth. If people program a lot, they seem to believe in matrix earth and if people play a lot of games with balls or spheres in their spare time, they seem to believe in a spherical earth. When people are out in nature a lot in their free time, they seem to believe in a living earth.
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I am happy that we skipped cathode ray earth due to the invention of flat screens.
But actually, you make an excellent point. People are affected by their environment a great deal, and it's no coincidence that the idea of a computer matrix came up after the invention of computers. The basic idea of the matrix is just a reflection of the way we interact with the world. Of course the general concept may still be valid (us living in some kind of material illusion), but the picture people tend to have about this is heavily tainted with modern technology.
The concept of a living, breathing earth may actually be the most constructive one for going forward, since it changes the way humans interact with each other, and could be a good foundation for healthy communities. People can't accept the fact that the earth is stationary, so a living earth is the only thing that still works today, but it doesn't come close to the power of seeing the earth as stationary.
I think that's one if the reasons that geocentrism (the basic idea that the earth is the center of the human experience, and the center of a godly creation) is so healthy. Of course the reason it's so healthy is likely because it's simply true, but not only that, it also changes everything for us about how we see the world and interact with each other. It's actually the only way to build a sustainable society I think. It is the foundation of human life.
Heliocentrism on the other hand is only possible in a world where people have lost any meaningful connection to themselves.
Actually, nearly everyone believes the Earth is stationary. See Grav's spinning ball challenge - next time you are in your favourite pub with your mates, say out loud 'We are moving at a thousand MPH in an Easterly direction.' Nobody is willing to do this, even people with degrees in Astrophysics. That's because it's absolutely absurd.
It's not until you mention the Flat/Ball Earth aspect that people might start to say 'Well we must be moving at 1000MPH because Science.'
The Toltecs called the Biosphere, the environment on the Earth's surface in which we live, 'The first heaven.' I like that.
It's not until you mention the Flat/Ball Earth aspect that people might start to say 'Well we must be moving at 1000MPH because Science.'
The Toltecs called the Biosphere, the environment on the Earth's surface in which we live, 'The first heaven.' I like that.
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Because in the stationary Earth nothing works. Also, it is a completely ridiculous idea to think that the entire universe (galaxies, nebulae, stars, etc.) revolves around the Earth.
What a great idea geo/egocentrism to deceive people with God in the Abrahamic religions.
It varies from person to person. Geocentrism (not God in Abrahamic religions) makes God unimportant.
What makes human beings and beings in other realms important is not heliocentrism, but that we live in a big brain.
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I include the concave earth into the stationary eartth. Why should I have written it otherwise? You know I prefer the concave earth model.
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I also included the Concave Earth.
A view that is no different from the Flat Earth, the Concave Earth hypothesis.
Astronomy has existed before NASA.
Yes, the heliocentric astronomical system is working correctly. But people who have nothing to do with astronomy make absurd claims.
After Aristotle questioned why the shadow on the Moon was circular during a lunar eclipse and concluded that this could only be possible on the spherical Earth, Flat Earth has been ignored by the scientific community for 2,000 years.
If you believe in mythological nonsense like Rahu/Ketu, which has no scientific basis, it is your own decision.
