Flat Earth

[Tomkat]

I like your NASA brand name a lot. I may, in fact, steal it
It can be taken two ways.
... No Actual government agency that explores the area above earth.
and
... No Actual place exists. Outer Space is a science fiction setting in a fantasy world novel. The Body Scientific wrote that fable for the earthling children. The pseudoscience is now taught in all schools.

When did this rewriting of science begin? I'd like some Stolen History chronology buffs to give a guesstimate of the year.
before 1930? or later? 1950s?
Maybe we can ask Wikipedia. Do print encyclopedias still exist? Do they discuss resets, mudfloods, other "conspiracy theories"?
Possibly in the Crazy Talk chapter?

Grav, I gotta look for it, but there were some comments in a thread about nuclear bombs (I think)where someone mentioned the replacement of books lie encyclopedia....I'll try to find it,..

 

[LittleSeasonSaint]

I like your NASA brand name a lot. I may, in fact, steal it
It can be taken two ways.
... No Actual government agency that explores the area above earth.
and
... No Actual place exists. Outer Space is a science fiction setting in a fantasy world novel. The Body Scientific wrote that fable for the earthling children. The pseudoscience is now taught in all schools.

When did this rewriting of science begin? I'd like some Stolen History chronology buffs to give a guesstimate of the year.
before 1930? or later? 1950s?
Maybe we can ask Wikipedia. Do print encyclopedias still exist? Do they discuss resets, mudfloods, other "conspiracy theories"?
Possibly in the Crazy Talk chapter?

Old newspapers have articles on many of the things you mentioned. I have collected many old newspaper articles.

 

[grav]

I realize that resets could have taken place gradually, unlike others that took place "overnight."
Atlantis was supposedly destroyed in a day. This disaster may in fact have been one of the energy weapon battles that also wiped much of the Middle East off the maps. And what is now the desert lands of the American West.
My two favorite sources for "ancient" history are Zechariah Sitchin and Immanuel Velikovsky. They followed the globe model dogmas in their research into Anunnaki Old World builders (ZS) and the cataclysms described in Sumerian-Egyptian-biblical texts (IV)

I don't want, however, to stray too far from Flat Earth science. It just seems to me that the Copernican cosmology was fairly recent.
Anatoly Fomenco and other Russian statistians have not, to my knowledge, worked real astronomy into their alternative chronology.

We will never know the world's real history. But can we at least figure out the last 100+/- years of the Matrix?

 

[Tomkat]

I realize that resets could have taken place gradually, unlike others that took place "overnight."
Atlantis was supposedly destroyed in a day. This disaster may in fact have been one of the energy weapon battles that also wiped much of the Middle East off the maps. And what is now the desert lands of the American West.
My two favorite sources for "ancient" history are Zechariah Sitchin and Immanuel Velikovsky. They followed the globe model dogmas in their research into Anunnaki Old World builders (ZS) and the cataclysms described in Sumerian-Egyptian-biblical texts (IV)

I don't want, however, to stray too far from Flat Earth science. It just seems to me that the Copernican cosmology was fairly recent.
Anatoly Fomenco and other Russian statistians have not, to my knowledge, worked real astronomy into their alternative chronology.

We will never know the world's real history. But can we at least figure out the last 100+/- years of the Matrix?

I agree...100 years is doable, probably 200...

"...Bobby told Lucy the world aint round, drops off sharp at the edge of town....well Lucy you know the the world must be flat cause when people leave town they never come back..."
Small Town Saturday Night, Hal Ketchum

 

[Just]

I agree...100 years is doable, probably 200...

"...Bobby told Lucy the world aint round, drops off sharp at the edge of town....well Lucy you know the the world must be flat cause when people leave town they never come back..."
Small Town Saturday Night, Hal Ketchum

I realize that resets could have taken place gradually, unlike others that took place "overnight."
Atlantis was supposedly destroyed in a day. This disaster may in fact have been one of the energy weapon battles that also wiped much of the Middle East off the maps. And what is now the desert lands of the American West.
My two favorite sources for "ancient" history are Zechariah Sitchin and Immanuel Velikovsky. They followed the globe model dogmas in their research into Anunnaki Old World builders (ZS) and the cataclysms described in Sumerian-Egyptian-biblical texts (IV)

I don't want, however, to stray too far from Flat Earth science. It just seems to me that the Copernican cosmology was fairly recent.
Anatoly Fomenco and other Russian statistians have not, to my knowledge, worked real astronomy into their alternative chronology.

We will never know the world's real history. But can we at least figure out the last 100+/- years of the Matrix?

I remember reading somewhere that, when Einstein died, the only book on his bedside table was Velikovsky’s Worlds in Collision. Also great is Mankind in Amnesia which I believe we all are following a cataclysmic event. Incidentally, my mother, who was Belgian and whose father found a place for Einstein to live on the Belgian coast in 1933, was told off by AE for tormenting his goat! She said he wasn’t a nice man and I believe her as she always had a very good judgement of people. He was living with his cousin at the time (very likely a trans woman and probably his handler) having left his wife following very coercive behaviour on his part towards her. Apparently she was the brains behind a lot of his ‘discoveries’ and following their split he thereafter travelled everywhere with his own mathematician as he was so bad at maths. Mmm. If you look into all the different pictures, video footage and speeches of Einstein in the early 30s it’s possible that there are 3 different iterations of the Einstein character - not even very good lookalikes. I haven’t seen this mentioned anywhere - has anyone else? And if, as I believe, space is fake, then he or his brand had to be controlled just as with all astrophysicists, to make sure he’s telling the right (wrong) story.

 

[Tomkat]

I remember reading somewhere that, when Einstein died, the only book on his bedside table was Velikovsky’s Worlds in Collision. Also great is Mankind in Amnesia which I believe we all are following a cataclysmic event. Incidentally, my mother, who was Belgian and whose father found a place for Einstein to live on the Belgian coast in 1933, was told off by AE for tormenting his goat! She said he wasn’t a nice man and I believe her as she always had a very good judgement of people. He was living with his cousin at the time (very likely a trans woman and probably his handler) having left his wife following very coercive behaviour on his part towards her. Apparently she was the brains behind a lot of his ‘discoveries’ and following their split he thereafter travelled everywhere with his own mathematician as he was so bad at maths. Mmm. If you look into all the different pictures, video footage and speeches of Einstein in the early 30s it’s possible that there are 3 different iterations of the Einstein character - not even very good lookalikes. I haven’t seen this mentioned anywhere - has anyone else? And if, as I believe, space is fake, then he or his brand had to be controlled just as with all astrophysicists, to make sure he’s telling the right (wrong) story.

That's genuinely fascinating Just. Talk about six degrees from Kevin Bacon or whatever that meme is. That makes me wonder if he was just the Neal Degrassi Jr high Tyson of his time.
Good Lord help us all. I'm remembering the episode of the Big Bang Theory with Elon Musk.
Have you ever seen the movie Being There w Peter Sellers? Not specifically sure how it's fitting here but somehow...
I'll say this much, for as dead horse as I thought FE was, this thread has actually settled a few things for me, as well as inspiring me re a bunch of other things.

 

[Tomkat]

Grav, I gotta look for it, but there were some comments in a thread about nuclear bombs (I think)where someone mentioned the replacement of books lie encyclopedia....I'll try to find it,..

Hey Grav, this is the thread I was talking about....nevermind, I suck at using tech here...'tech'....oy...it's the nuclear one, you'll see it...

Ps I'm wondering if any SH people are affected by power out in Spain...

 

[grav]

Tomkat ..."I'll say this much, for as dead horse as I thought FE was, this thread has actually settled a few things for me, as well as inspiring me re a bunch of other things."

I couldn't agree more.
Once you go flat, meh. Now what? Nobody believes you when y'all crazy science deniers point out the absolute absurdities of the wet spinning ball in a vacuum.
But "grownups" still believe the blatantly silly space mission hoaxes that pop up now and then on the evening fake news?
I see Musk and SpaceX and the red Tesla space car as agents of the Republican wing of the NASA Body Scientific.
Bezos and his true Blue Origin Democrat fly on the wing of the BS.
^^ tips of icebergs. This BS spacey business extends into ALL aspects of modern life. Big Pharma, Big Gov, Big Ag, et al.
I have also heard some of the stories about Einstein. plagiarist, kinky, puppet of BS phyeics. Gossip or good intel? yes.
What difference, at this point, does it make, Hillary?

There are 2 (two) major operators who play Homo ignoranuses for the fools we are.
Khazaria vs Tartaria, liberals vs conservatives, Crips vs Bloods, Hulk Hogan vs Roddy Piper, etc. Everyone must pick a team to beling to.

and then what? probably too late. The downed grid in Spain is a precursor to what the whole planette will see, maybe soon.
Reset upcoming. Georgia Guidestones, tough tacos, all that jazz.
At least some of us will know, or at least have an inkling of, where we are, stuck in the Matrix spiderweb.









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[Tomkat]

There are 2 (two) major operators who play Homo ignoranuses for the fools we are.
Khazaria vs Tartaria, liberals vs conservatives, Crips vs Bloods, Hulk Hogan vs Roddy Piper, etc. Everyone must pick a team to beling to.

Roddy Piper all day. They Live? Nuf said.

and then what? probably too late. The downed grid in Spain is a precursor to what the whole planette will see, maybe soon.
Reset upcoming. Georgia Guidestones, tough tacos, all that jazz.
At least some of us will know, or at least have an inkling of, where we are, stuck in the Matrix spiderweb

Dont give up hope Grav. It's all fear programming. We manifest these things for them. That's what some say at least.

I'm a total simulation person. Done deal for me. But just for a sec, let me show some of the benefits of choosing this worldview. (Used car salesman vibe).

- all of the doom prophesied for the future doesn't really matter.
- it makes you open to any possible explanation for stuff, like for example that our minds individually and collectively manifest reality. You know magic.
- it can crash anytime.instantly
- suddenly all of the head scratching things don't have to be: is it a dome or the edge of the map. (Korben Dallas, I think I'm still looking for it arg, made a point one time in reference to a particular map and noted the only way it makes sense is if going out one way, then you come back in the top....)
- did I mention it can crash at any moment?

I refuse to allow them to succeed. I believe in my heart that this is over.

 

[grav]

moi? give up Hope? no way, Jose.
I do expect a reset.
Therefore, I prep. to some extent.

I reckon this is all an experiment or game. maybe a prison? It often feels like a mental asylum nowadays.
We all blunder around in flesh suits and serve our masters. or serve the greater good.
We know almost nothing. Our senses are so limited that we can only see a tiny fraction of the electromagnetic spectrum.

While I see religion as a control mechanism of the evil Sauron creature at the top of the Pyramid echalon, I like to think that there are invisible beings that serve the greater good -- by helping our mortal coils in this here dimension.
Angels. protectors. aeons who guide us to oppose the archons of gnostic myth.
The Matrix movies have given us clues about our roles as players in a computer hologram
Many moons ago, Tron (the original version) offered up a similar theme -- a smart guy invented an arcade game and got sucked into it by one of the characters from a competing business. or, something like that.
whatever reality is, we're stuck in it, suffering and coping with struggles and deciding what next.

 

[Tomkat]

moi? give up Hope? no way, Jose.
I do expect a reset.
Therefore, I prep. to some extent.

Nah I figured...prep? All day every day. As much as possible.

I reckon this is all an experiment or game. maybe a prison? It often feels like a mental asylum nowadays.
We all blunder around in flesh suits and serve our masters. or serve the greater good.
We know almost nothing. Our senses are so limited that we can only see a tiny fraction of the electromagnetic spectrum.

I reckon as well.

While I see religion as a control mechanism of the evil Sauron creature at the top of the Pyramid echalon, I like to think that there are invisible beings that serve the greater good -- by helping our mortal coils in this here dimension.
Angels. protectors. aeons who guide us to oppose the archons of gnostic myth.

I totally agree.

The Matrix movies have given us clues about our roles as players in a computer hologram
Many moons ago, Tron (the original version) offered up a similar theme -- a smart guy invented an arcade game and got sucked into it by one of the characters from a competing business. or, something like that.
whatever reality is, we're stuck in it, suffering and coping with struggles and deciding what next.

Tron is great. I really like the South Park version. Who knows, maybe all we need to do is best the machine at Yahtzee.

 

[grav]

South Park did a take-off of Tron? I need to check that out.
As it is, I neglect this thread when I just don't know which way to go next.
I did re-discover an old topic from my days as a globe believer who read and re-read Velikovsky's Worlds in Collision.
He claimed that Venus had been "born" as a destructive comet-planet that lashed the world with rains of fire and brimstone.

Looking for more info about Venus as a recurring figure in ancient chronicles, I found very little to fit that idea (coherent catastrophism) into Flat Earth cosmology. Not surprising, though.

This is typical of the Control System. They feed us history as myth and fable, invent religions and fake science to keep us ignorant and obedient, provide wars and foosball to distract our little brains. Orwell calls the whole evil program the Ministry of Truth, which employs shills and other quislings who work for Big Brother.

But, at least they allow us slaves to see small pieces of the Big Picture.

Gnosticism is a cross between religion and philosophy. Aristotle and Plato, whoever/whatever they were, shared the gnostic view of earth as a plane over which 7 "spheres of influence" reigned. We call those structures the dome, or firmament.

Wiki has this to say about that.

First Ogdoad
In the earliest stages of that evolution we have (Iren. I. i.) eight primary Aeons constituting the first Ogdoad. The ultimate conception of God, named the Ineffable Father and who has existed since before the beginning, is described as Depth or Profundity (Bythos). All around him exists a female power that has been named Silence (Sige). These two deities, Depth and Silence, become the cause, through a process of emanation, of the other archetypal beings or Aeons. The Aeons are always born in male-female pairs (as syzygies), each of which is in itself a divine principle but at the same time represents one aspect of the Ineffable Father, who otherwise could not be described nor comprehended as he is beyond all names. The emanation takes place in the following manner: Depth-and-Silence gives birth to Mind-and-Truth (Nous and Aletheia), who gives birth to Word-and-Life (Logos and Zoe), who gives birth to Man-and-Church (Anthropos and Ecclesia). These Aeonic pairs comprise the Fullness of Godhead (Pleroma), and the first eight Aeons that have been expounded here are the Valentinian Ogdoad.[1]

What is all this ? New Age hype ? cults of brainwashed hippies ?
or a synthesis of simulation theory and Matrix computer program? or are they the same thing?

I'm inclined to see the creators as Advanced Being coders of a digital game in which we are their playthings.
In one world age reset, Venus was emanated as an aeon who Velikovsky misidentified as Athena, the goddess of war, and not Aphrodite, goddess of love.

The upshot was an exciting adventure called The Iliad, in which Athena fought alongside Greek warriors in the Trojan War.
This was the Age of Heroes. Too much blood and guts, maybe, or else the gamers decided a duller world was more better to play. ?

 

[GandalfTheGreen]

Why Spacex? Obviously it's an experiment to see how dumb facists can be and still keep the sheep in line.

Great drawing. More from that era in this book: Library Genesis: Alexander Roob - Alchemy & Mysticism

Every single image of the flat earth; explaining how the sun moves over the surface of earth; has 2 major problems no flat earther can address in reality.

1. Each image shows that the tropics are a concentric ring; (instead of a symmetrical band like we witness on a globe) which leads to the southernmost tropic (Tropic of Cancer) being nearly double the size of the northern tropic (Tropic of Cancer)

2. In order for the sun to cover double the distance over the Tropic of Cancer; the sun would have to accelerate.

Both of these 2 points, fail when scrutinized by observation. The phenomena of Lahaina Noon being an observable incident witnessed only in the tropics, demonstrates that flat earth exists only in the mind.

 

[grav]

Every single image of the flat earth; explaining how the sun moves over the surface of earth; has 2 major problems no flat earther can address in reality.

1. Each image shows that the tropics are a concentric ring; (instead of a symmetrical band like we witness on a globe) which leads to the southernmost tropic (Tropic of Cancer) being nearly double the size of the northern tropic (Tropic of Cancer)

2. In order for the sun to cover double the distance over the Tropic of Cancer; the sun would have to accelerate.

Both of these 2 points, fail when scrutinized by observation. The phenomena of Lahaina Noon being an observable incident witnessed only in the tropics, demonstrates that flat earth exists only in the mind.

The sun might change speeds as it spirals inside the dome over a year.
The geocentric model neaty explains the analemma, which would be impossible on the globe.

 

[GandalfTheGreen]

Empirical science and observation doesn't deal with "might." And while the geocentric MODEL does attempt to provide an explanation; you're simply cutting off the branch your sitting on for the same exact 2 points I've previously made.

1. Each image shows that the tropics are a concentric ring; (instead of a symmetrical band like we witness on a globe) which leads to the southernmost tropic (Tropic of Cancer) being nearly double the size of the northern tropic (Tropic of Cancer)

2. In order for the sun to cover double the distance over the Tropic of Cancer; the sun would have to accelerate.


There MIGHT be a flat earth map that works, however there hasn't been one that demonstrates reality as it is observed and navigated; ever.
There MIGHT be a cosmology of flat earth that works, but alas there hasn't been one that demonstrates reality as it is observed. (Star Trails)

There MIGHT be alot of things that the imagination can think up; but there is only ONE way to fake a sphere, and earth is indeed navigated as a sphere; as denoted by the tropics, and the ships that have been sailing the ocean for hundreds of years.

 

[FarewellAngelina]

Empirical science suggests the earth is flat - trigonometric survey never finds the imaginary curve . This is known.

No empirical measurement of either tropic length has been carried out .

Empirical measurement S-N along a meridian was carried out in the 17th century by French scientists - latitude shortens northwards ,bye bye globe model.

Sols angular velocity is empirically constant because it moves within the dome centred around the the North Pole. The sun strikes me as being a magnetic plasma type thingy of small size and huge energy output- this is my opinions based on that empirical evidence.

Man has always navigated by the stars because the starry dome rotating above provides empirical ,measurable means of finding where one is using star zenith position.

No one has ever shown me where I can go to empirically measure or view the curve so it has become very hard difficult for me to believe in this imaginary globe - despite the constant subliminal brainwash techniques bombarding us constantly .

 

[grav]

Thanks to posters who are pivoting the thread to investigation. We can easily prove the earth's physical properties. But what about the sun, moon, stars?
I was a suntard way before I went to the flat side.
Remember those thrilling days of yesteryear, when a "godlike" forum banned posters for saying "the sun is wrong" and other astronomical heresies?
Eskimos say it used to rise and set there, wrong color, more intense, etc.
Eric Dollard said it was hollow, a transformer, and dying.


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kkxMbkjbBsU


He still won't admit that the sun is a crater feature in the dome complex. Like the moon, it emits light from a plasma source. I compare the sun to an incandescent light bulb, while the moon emits some less dynamic frequency, like fluorescent or LED.
Flat researchers are not exploring these pure science topics, unfortunately. Youtubers keep reinventing the wheel, over and over and

I do want to post more stuff like this, but daily searches almost always turn up empty.
Nasa has quit faking space missions and turned over those silly productions to SpaceX and Blue Origin.
What are they doing with US tax dollars?
I reckon they're using "our" telescopes and real rockets to explore the firmament.
And "aliens" -,-,-,? Bill Cooper insisted that non-human entities were involved in all the hidden agendas.

And when you introduce that crazy woo talk into a serious discussion about science, here come the mockers.
Archons? lol. Satanists? then you are a Bible-thumper Luddite.

 

[reverendALC]

Empirical science and observation doesn't deal with "might."

I will respectfully disagree with that. So called empirical science and observation, at least in our modern society, are pretty well based in “might”.

The theory of relativity, hell the theory of gravity(not that things go down, but why)… they’re simply interpretive structures used by man to explain facts… but are not facts themselves. They’re mights.

Now which “mights” are generally accepted? The popular ones. We are presented with men who scribble complex things onto chalkboards and we simply accept them because it’s beyond (most of) our knowledge to understand the scribblings.

If we are to boil it down to strictly observation… I think that my personal observations contradict these theories, these mights.

 

[jeenam]

All they have to do to settle this nonsense is send a device far enough out into space that it can take a picture of the entire earth. The Pale Blue Dot doesn't count, for obvious reasons.

 

[iskander]

Aaaargh ...
Because ignorants and shills flooded the threads with this FE-BS back then, I had left forum about 2 years ago.
That's all I will say here.