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I don't know wtf is the shape of the world, but i don't see a problem with the discussion. Why are you so against this particular topic?
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? ignorants ? I prefer Homo ignoranus as the binomial nomenclature to describe our species.
A simple-minded organism, who obeys his masters even when his eyes and discernment say that the world is not what the Control System says, where
. ocean waters cling to a spinning ball, instead of seeking their own level
. air likewise stays put over the spinning ball (1000 mph spin and 66,600 mph orbit)
. we have air pressure at sea level and a total vacuum at 62 miles altitude
. we can see distant targets with zoom lenses, despite the curve of 8 inches per mile squared
. we see stars circling overhead century after century in patterns that should fall apart in 6 months or less (stellar parallax).
To be fair, H ignoranus has been deprived of genuine informationa and fed misinformation and distractions all his lfe.
This Israel-Iran issue, for instance, is One More Example of the name of this forum. We have no way to confirm or disprove any of the allegations that perpetuate the frauds of nuclear bombs, antisemitism, voting machines, vaccines, etc. et al., you name it.
oops. Am I allowed to use that word? v@c*#n?
Seven motives for the spherical Earth deceit
It should be noted that parts of the family/group that controls western society takes the Cabala to be their personal Bible and Plato’s Republic to be their societal blueprint, with a goal of worldwide socialism.
Finally, the ball on the scepter symbolizes a king’s domain, both spiritually/microcosmically as his pineal gland, and physically/macrocosmically as his kingdom. The flat realm (Earth) has become folded onto a ball to show the dominion over the whole Earth by the ruling class.
The original thinkers who conceived of a globe/heliocentric Earth (Pythagoras, Eratosthenes, Plato, Aristotle, Newton, Copernicus, Galileo) didn’t have these rationales, and they were just innocently theorizing, but the states that entrenched these ideologies may have continued to promote them for these reasons.
- Hide the firmament: the solid dome that covers our sky may have been damaged in the wars that ended the last worldwide civilization, and the Vatican is shrouding it in secrecy to protect it from being damaged again.
- Hide Hyperborea, the garden of Eden. World maps of the sixteenth century contain Hyperborea, the four lands separated by four rivers north of Greenland, Canada, Russia, and Northern Europe. But the heliocentric globe Earth model gave an easy, albeit false, rational to cover up these still-existing lands and omit them from world maps: that the lack of sunlight creates an ice sheet which covers everything. By hiding this land, the Vatican disconnects the Northern Europeans from their ancestors’ homeland.
- Subordinate, humiliate, and enslave the people of Earth. By having true knowledge of Earth but giving others false knowledge, the subordinated people are kept imbalanced and under a spell, whereas the masters have full confidence in their knowledge. The false cosmology creates a false paradigm that is replicated in the day-to-day life of people (as above, so below). For example, if people think Earth is spinning and revolving, it subconsciously sets the people into motion, spinning back and forth between home and work to satisfy their masters demands. If they think they are an insignificant amoeba on a speck of dust at the outskirts of the known universe, their days become unfulfilling and meaningless.
- Bring about a worldwide totalitarian socialism. In this state, only the controllers know the truth of reality, a situation in which the state is superior to the people of whom it is comprised; furthermore they create a closer feeling of unity, since people who believe in a globe see the tightness of our interconnectedness, whereas people on a plane seem more disparate.
- Create a civilization based on combustion technologies. If the sun is viewed as a burning ball of gas (as opposed to the disk of plasma that it actually is), scientists invent and businessmen promote technologies that replicate that misunderstanding, such as the combustion engine and gasoline industries. These industries have not only made families trillions of dollars, but set the foundation for a new wave of guilt-shaming the masses by convincing them that their use of that technology is harmful for the environment (the new “original sin”) and that more taxation is the only remedy (carbon tax). When the true nature of Earth is known, people are more likely to invent and promote plasma/ether/resonance technology, which, when built, gives essentially free energy.
- Lionize the Cabala: the Cabala teaches solipsism (you are all that exists) and self-creation (you are the primary source of change), creating a world in which personal beliefs are projected outwards and made true no matter whether they are. Such is the case with globe Earth, which denies a higher power which made the creation of Earth possible.
- Reify Plato’s cave: in Plato’s Republic, the masses in civilization are compared to the inhabitants in a cave, taking the shadows from firelight as their main truth, when they have missed the sun-illuminated outside their whole lives. Globe Earth reinforces the notion that people’s truths are mere shadows, never seeing our flat Earth for what it truly is. Further, Plato espouses the opinion that a “noble lie” can benefit society…and his successors have thought that globe Earth model benefits the safety and increased economic output of our society.
It should be noted that parts of the family/group that controls western society takes the Cabala to be their personal Bible and Plato’s Republic to be their societal blueprint, with a goal of worldwide socialism.
Finally, the ball on the scepter symbolizes a king’s domain, both spiritually/microcosmically as his pineal gland, and physically/macrocosmically as his kingdom. The flat realm (Earth) has become folded onto a ball to show the dominion over the whole Earth by the ruling class.
The original thinkers who conceived of a globe/heliocentric Earth (Pythagoras, Eratosthenes, Plato, Aristotle, Newton, Copernicus, Galileo) didn’t have these rationales, and they were just innocently theorizing, but the states that entrenched these ideologies may have continued to promote them for these reasons.
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I believe this to be the very crux of the issue.
If this realm is not a planet in outer space, an infinitesimally small point in a solar system, in a galaxy, in a vast expansive universe… but rather a closed (domed) system, then it is by design. If it is by design, then surely we have a purpose and a power to fulfill that purpose, and will be drawn toward discovering that power and fulfilling that purpose. If the former is true and we exist by accident in a world that happened by chance, then life is meaningless beyond the pursuit of comfort and pleasure.
Do we trust that all is known, that all of the important work is done? That the most important things are the material and the carnal?
Much of your posts are good sense .
Would like to point out though that no original works of these Greek philosophers survive unaltered . Rewriting of history begins with age of "enlightenment" - late mediaeval ( maybe that's why that word contains the word media).
Eratosthenes legendary experiment is mentioned only in a work by another Greek astronomer , Cleomedes if I recall correctly, about whom we know nothing. This experiment being "accepted" by modern science is not proof that it occurred. I would have thought perhaps that any of those ancient Greek philosophers could have pointed out that there are two solutions possible to his supposed observation .
As taught to us oldies in the 60's the geocentric earth was considered flat up until Copernicus put forward his ideas without any proofs .
The globe fiction has been inserted successfully into history to such an extent that people froth at the mouth at the mere mention of the word " flat" .
Even the coffee machine in the library forces me to drink a globe white lately.
Have a nice day all
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The firmament and Hyperborea.
The first two motives in Firinn's list need closer attention in this thread.
The other 5 items are more or less what we all think of the sad state of reality in this vaccinated world in a vacuum called space.
Before ~ 1850 we know nothing. Possibly up to as late as the early 1900s?
The simulation theory explains that whole Mandela Matrix mess.
And the Black Sun projection theory explains our universe.
And the Control System hides the dome and both poles.
We have no way to travel to Hyperborea and Antarctica, eapecially when Google maps is so compromised.
It seems, in my childhood memories, that explorers used to dog sled to the North Pole. But now it's all ocean.
The dome is of course unobtainable. The best proof of it may be the light rockets that fly to about 70 miles, but no further, though momentum should allow them to go higher.
View: https://youtu.be/lSx8QVr2ZdM?si=nd5OVk-1u9i0o74s
The first two motives in Firinn's list need closer attention in this thread.
The other 5 items are more or less what we all think of the sad state of reality in this vaccinated world in a vacuum called space.
Before ~ 1850 we know nothing. Possibly up to as late as the early 1900s?
The simulation theory explains that whole Mandela Matrix mess.
And the Black Sun projection theory explains our universe.
And the Control System hides the dome and both poles.
We have no way to travel to Hyperborea and Antarctica, eapecially when Google maps is so compromised.
It seems, in my childhood memories, that explorers used to dog sled to the North Pole. But now it's all ocean.
The dome is of course unobtainable. The best proof of it may be the light rockets that fly to about 70 miles, but no further, though momentum should allow them to go higher.
View: https://youtu.be/lSx8QVr2ZdM?si=nd5OVk-1u9i0o74s
One of the bests proofs of the dome available to the public is this whistleblower testimony:
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_bebl31yOO0
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I don't know what this place is or the shape of it. I do know we have been lied to about all of it. I doubt we will ever know for certain what the truth on this subject is. I do know that it doesn't matter which side of the discussion you stand in the end. I say that because a person on earth will only ever have anecdotal evidence to share their opinions on the matter. We will never have proof that could forever shift which belief on the shape of this place we hold onto from belief to fact. The only way to prove the actuality of this places shape without any doubts is to go to "outter space" and see it with your own eyes. This will never ever, ever, ever happen period. I don't care who you are or who you know because you and them have never gone beyond low earth orbit and never will. I laugh at people who get so caught up on either side of this discussion because they never have anything to "prove" that they are correct besides anecdotal evidence that they found somewhere that someone else put there for them to find and hold onto. We have absolutely no idea what the actual truth is about the earth's shape or just about anything else for that matter. All we have is our experiences and what we have been told period.
I don't know what the truth is but I believe that it's probably the way it's described by the channel on YouTube named vibesofcosmos. That image that's attached in this post if the craters is what I feel is most probable.
I don't know what the truth is but I believe that it's probably the way it's described by the channel on YouTube named vibesofcosmos. That image that's attached in this post if the craters is what I feel is most probable.
I agree the vibes of cosmos earth model feels intuitively right. But it isn’t hard to prove the shape of the earth - a non-composite image of earth from low earth orbit would confirm that there is an extended plane. This is why we’ve never been given one. Also the image from ‘space’ as seen from the fake moon landing is wrong in one very obvious way. The moon from earth looks the same size as the sun but the moon is supposed to be 4 times smaller than the earth so the earth from the moon should be 4 times the size of the moon seen from earth which of course it isn’t. Point proven imo.
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I've personally never been to low earth orbit nor do I know anyone that has. So we are right back where we started with not having verified evidence other than hearsay. But I get what your saying.
Unfortunately, this seems to be a precondition to engage in such discussions.
Go ahread, I won't bother you.
Because you miss context and history of this ... meme.
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Actually i don't. Been familiar with the topic for over 15yrs, and like i said, idk what is the shape (it could be a freaking donut for all i care) but i like the discussion. Because if we can't argue about the most basics aspects of our perceived reality, what are we doing here??
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From where I’m sitting, “flat earth” is kind of a catch-all term. I may be wrong, but I don’t necessarily believe that all “flerfs” believe:
Our realm is a disc
Our world is under gods firmament
There is an ice wall
It’s not gravity it’s density/buoyancy
More/other FE cliches
It appears to me that “flat earth” is more about disbeliefs:
We are not on a globe planet
The stars above our head are not what they tell us
The sun and moon are not what they tell us
Am I wrong?
Our realm is a disc
Our world is under gods firmament
There is an ice wall
It’s not gravity it’s density/buoyancy
More/other FE cliches
It appears to me that “flat earth” is more about disbeliefs:
We are not on a globe planet
The stars above our head are not what they tell us
The sun and moon are not what they tell us
Am I wrong?
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Well, I guess. It's kind of round, a circle but not a globe.
Some people compare it to a pond or a crater.
something like this, the Infinite Plane in which earth is embedded --
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Yeah, I’m not sure what it is, but I meant the straw-man disc:
I don’t know of anybody who believes that lol.
I could buy the crater theory, maybe even infinite plane. Personally I’m drawn toward the notion of the moon map and the great cycle, but that doesn’t have much to do with what’s beyond the territory
Then you should be familiar why, how and by whom this <thing> got started.
There is something called the "scientific method", which requires you to formulate a hypothesis about your perception, and perform an reproducible experiment to prove or disprove it.
Arguing alone is pointless, and often only amounts to shouting down opposing voices (which basically happened back then).
I have not seen any properly reproducible and successful experiment for this flat-earth hypothesis yet - but many pieces full of sophistries that violate even the most basic laws of physics which every willing experimenter could verify on his own.
Until then, I will not interfere with your thread again, you can argue ad infinitum.
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Sorry to see you go, Iskander.
You seem to have a negative view of argument, which is the very basis of debate.
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Online Etymology Dictionary › word › argue
Originating from Latin arguere meaning "make clear, prove," and Old French arguer, "maintain an opinion," argue means to reasoned state or dispute a . . . .
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As for sophistry (false reasoning), you did not specify where or what. The laws of physics we have looked at include those that define gravity as density, gases requiring a contained volume, the lack of empirical evidence proving the globe curve (spherical trigonometry) others.
Actually, this thread has, in my opinion, displayed an admirable bunch of honest questioners who want answers, not "shouting" matches.
If anything, it lacks more participation.
You seem to have a negative view of argument, which is the very basis of debate.
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Originating from Latin arguere meaning "make clear, prove," and Old French arguer, "maintain an opinion," argue means to reasoned state or dispute a . . . .
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As for sophistry (false reasoning), you did not specify where or what. The laws of physics we have looked at include those that define gravity as density, gases requiring a contained volume, the lack of empirical evidence proving the globe curve (spherical trigonometry) others.
Actually, this thread has, in my opinion, displayed an admirable bunch of honest questioners who want answers, not "shouting" matches.
If anything, it lacks more participation.
Heliocentrism and gravity are still only theories to this day but they are taught like they are facts. How is the idea that we live on a flat plane with a firmament above us any more crazy than the idea that we live on a spinning ball floating through space?
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this subject often seems to induce rage. Rage posting, rage quitting, etc.
i think it’s not because the earth is so damned obviously a sphere… but because if it’s not, then the whole reality in which we live unravels. I personally am quite unraveled at this point, but many appear quite content within their tightly knit realities.
i think it’s not because the earth is so damned obviously a sphere… but because if it’s not, then the whole reality in which we live unravels. I personally am quite unraveled at this point, but many appear quite content within their tightly knit realities.
