Flat Earth

The NPC subject is very intriguing. Were we all NPCs at one time? Have we, for lack of a better word, ascended? Or are they always and forever NPCs and we’ve simply awoken?

I observe a lot of FE forums and groups, and the cognitive dissonance is astounding. It’s impenetrable. Globe supporters will immediately question one’s science literacy, regurgitating talking points they themselves clearly don’t understand. They’ll demand proofs that are not commonly attainable, while the only proof they can offer is the narrative explanation and scientific mumbo jumbo.

Science literacy = blind obedience

I agree with your assessment that science literacy is blind obedience.

Noam Chomsky: "It's a system of indoctrination of the young."


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgXZuGIMuwQ
 
I agree with your assessment that science literacy is blind obedience.

Noam Chomsky: "It's a system of indoctrination of the young."


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgXZuGIMuwQ

Yes I sometimes wonder, is Brian Cox and Neil DeGrass Tyson a result of being literacy blindness, and they actually believe what they say. Or are they gate keeping Freemasons that know exactly what they do to perpetuate the illusion?
 
Yes I sometimes wonder, is Brian Cox and Neil DeGrass Tyson a result of being literacy blindness, and they actually believe what they say. Or are they gate keeping Freemasons that know exactly what they do to perpetuate the illusion?

Tyson is too intelligent to not know what he's doing. He got to "the top" in the same manner that Chomsky describes in his video; he did what he was told to do.
 
Tyson is too intelligent to not know what he's doing. He got to "the top" in the same manner that Chomsky describes in his video; he did what he was told to do.
I am inclined to agree. I just wonder how he is able to speak on the subject and perpetrate it, knowing that everything he says is a lie. Must take some next level sociopathy to do so.
 
These people, these spotlight perpetrators, just like our celebrities and elite… they live in the same physical realm as us, but they exist in an entirely different “world”. I’m sure that it’s easy, when resigned to that life and initiated to the “truth”, to willfully accept the job of arbiter of truth.

It doesn’t seem much different than the TikTok influencer who spouts political propaganda for a monthly check. I’m sure souls are sold at all socioeconomic levels.
 
@grav you quoted Orwell's 1984 a few posts up and I tell people who are learning about the reality of the world we're living in that we are literally living 1984 but barely anyone is aware of it.

This is really commentary related to the last 10 posts or so...

A Personal Note: I dropped out of high school, and it wasn't until many years later that I was able to figure out why I dropped out. Lack of traditional education was, if anything, the reason why I have been able to comprehend and accept ideas that do not fit traditional paradigms. A conservative estimate of the number of people directly affected by my work every single day is roughly 50 million, and that's probably conservative by a long shot. If you saw an advertisement on a website today or saw an ad on Youtube, there's a decent chance the ad verification platform it interacted with was the one run by a company I helped build. If you bought your toiletries at the supermarket, there's a good chance those were procured through an ERP system that I helped modernize. I don't state these things to brag, but rather to underscore the point that my lack of traditional "schooling" freed my mind from the grip of the educational indoctrination system.

One of my best friends, who I consider to be extremely intelligent, is not willing to consider the world we live in is not a globe. We'd recently met and I had intended to ask him why he thinks the world operates the way it does. I never got around to that question because during our conversation of various other topics he started referring to people with doctorate degrees as jusitification for validating the theories around "evolution" and some other things we were discussing. This is a guy who, back in the day, was hand selected for a High School program to send kids to Brookhaven National Laboratories in Long Island. They don't pick idiots for that program. My friend has a good mind and for the most part it operates pretty well. The issue is that he, like most folks, correlates a traditional education with validation of ideas that underpin modern accepted reality. On the flip side, he's well aware of the hypocrisy of the state of modern civilzation in regards to financial inequality. My eventual intent was to basically discuss the topics "beyond the wall", so to speak. And by that I mean, instead of just acknowledging the inanity of the world we live in, broach the subject of the ideas that:

  • There was a Reset due to destruction in the not too distant past on a scale we cannot comprehend
  • The folks who survived the Reset were either genocided or geographically displaced to completely disconnect them from any knowledge of said Reset
  • The education and wage slavery financial systems of control we live under today were intentionally implemented to ensure absolute control over the rebuilt societies
  • That prior to the Reset civilization was far more advanced technologically than we are today
  • That we have built on top of and are literally living on the corpse of the previous pre-Reset civilization

Another thing I'll mention related to my line of work is that "root cause analysis" is one of the core disciplines with which I operate to design systems and create solutions to ensure they function as intended. The point is that I tired of just observing the surface level function of the world and came to these beliefs because I wanted to understand why things are the way they are. An analogy for this is the financial system. If you turn on a cable tv channel such as MSNBC the commenators will be discussing various topics related to "the markets" and which direction they're going and what effects are driving those conditions. However, what they will NEVER EVER discuss is the fact that the entire financial system is based on a supply of money that is literally printed out of thin air and comes from nothing, and that all debt created by interest can never be paid back because interest is a wholly imaginary thing whose existence is validated by one thing - VIOLENCE.

If anything I'd guess we are the replicants and that our creators have chosen to indoctrinate us into a reality wherein we are never exposed to the fact that we are the created subjects to do their bidding to serve their goals, whatever those may be.

In regards to history, it makes zero sense that they can claim such a disjointed past when trying to connect all historic civilizations. It seems to be pretty plain to see that they've obviously fabricated history because there are simply too many areas of the world where they claim the locals simply vanished without a trace and didn't leave any records. There were records, they destroyed them (see the Inquisition). There was architecture. They claimed what was left and repurposed it or outright destroyed it. There were people who survived who knew what happened and they removed them (the Inquisition, Insane/Genocide Asylums). It all makes sense when one can step back, dissolve their attachment to the indoctrination and think objectively.
 
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Also, just a theory here. Possible reasons why they don't want us going further south/north than we're allowed to go:

  • There are pockets of survival which they haven't been able to fully demolish for whatever reason and they don't want people to see it.
  • Based on archeological findings we know that living creatures grew to much greater size than current living creatures. I don't think it's a stretch to imagine that the world we're living in now has been wholly polluted to the point of diminishing the lifespan of all living organisms. My guess is they caused chemical/elemental reactions as part of the Reset destruction. The only reason we're not aware the current conditions are inhospitable (by their theoretical standards) is because it's all we've ever known since birth. Perhaps they're just waiting for the pollutants in this place to dissipate or get cleaned up so they can come back. We do it in modern times in the USA. They call them Superfund sites (e.g. Love Canal, Gowanus, Newtown Creek). Essentially we are the "cleanup crew". If it is the case of this region we inhabit being polluted to the point where it cripples us physically, it would seem you wouldn't tell the folks who were living there what they had gotten themselves into or the conditions they were living under because no one in their right mind would take on the task.
 
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I am inclined to agree. I just wonder how he is able to speak on the subject and perpetrate it, knowing that everything he says is a lie. Must take some next level sociopathy to do so.
Brian Cox was in a pop band when he switched to astrophysics and became a tv celebrity - just like the othe Brian - Brian May from Queen. Both bands became famous after being handed fully formed number one hit songs (Things Can only get Better in the case of BC’s band -D-Ream - quite clearly he’s never heard of entropy). I’d guess both of them had compromising pics taken of them at some after-gig party and after that will do anything they’re told to do. Look at the footage of BC being asked about flat earth - there’s a lot going on in his response but evidence of fear for sure. This is how people are controlled: undeserved fame and compromising footage and shed-loads of money. That’ll do it. But Brian - you’ve forgotten- things can only get worse.
 
@grav you quoted Orwell's 1984 a few posts up and I tell people who are learning about the reality of the world we're living in that we are literally living 1984 but barely anyone is aware of it.

This is really commentary related to the last 10 posts or so...

A Personal Note: I dropped out of high school, and it wasn't until many years later that I was able to figure out why I dropped out. Lack of traditional education was, if anything, the reason why I have been able to comprehend and accept ideas that do not fit traditional paradigms. A conservative estimate of the number of people directly affected by my work every single day is roughly 50 million, and that's probably conservative by a long shot. If you saw an advertisement on a website today or saw an ad on Youtube, there's a decent chance the ad verification platform it interacted with was the one run by a company I helped build. If you bought your toiletries at the supermarket, there's a good chance those were procured through an ERP system that I helped modernize. I don't state these things to brag, but rather to underscore the point that my lack of traditional "schooling" freed my mind from the grip of the educational indoctrination system.

One of my best friends, who I consider to be extremely intelligent, is not willing to consider the world we live in is not a globe. We'd recently met and I had intended to ask him why he thinks the world operates the way it does. I never got around to that question because during our conversation of various other topics he started referring to people with doctorate degrees as jusitification for validating the theories around "evolution" and some other things we were discussing. This is a guy who, back in the day, was hand selected for a High School program to send kids to Brookhaven National Laboratories in Long Island. They don't pick idiots for that program. My friend has a good mind and for the most part it operates pretty well. The issue is that he, like most folks, correlates a traditional education with validation of ideas that underpin modern accepted reality. On the flip side, he's well aware of the hypocrisy of the state of modern civilzation in regards to financial inequality. My eventual intent was to basically discuss the topics "beyond the wall", so to speak. And by that I mean, instead of just acknowledging the inanity of the world we live in, broach the subject of the ideas that:

  • There was a Reset due to destruction in the not too distant past on a scale we cannot comprehend
  • The folks who survived the Reset were either genocided or geographically displaced to completely disconnect them from any knowledge of said Reset
  • The education and wage slavery financial systems of control we live under today were intentionally implemented to ensure absolute control over the rebuilt societies
  • That prior to the Reset civilization was far more advanced technologically than we are today
  • That we have built on top of and are literally living on the corpse of the previous pre-Reset civilization

Another thing I'll mention related to my line of work is that "root cause analysis" is one of the core disciplines with which I operate to design systems and create solutions to ensure they function as intended. The point is that I tired of just observing the surface level function of the world and came to these beliefs because I wanted to understand why things are the way they are. An analogy for this is the financial system. If you turn on a cable tv channel such as MSNBC the commenators will be discussing various topics related to "the markets" and which direction they're going and what effects are driving those conditions. However, what they will NEVER EVER discuss is the fact that the entire financial system is based on a supply of money that is literally printed out of thin air and comes from nothing, and that all debt created by interest can never be paid back because interest is a wholly imaginary thing whose existence is validated by one thing - VIOLENCE.

If anything I'd guess we are the replicants and that our creators have chosen to indoctrinate us into a reality wherein we are never exposed to the fact that we are the created subjects to do their bidding to serve their goals, whatever those may be.

In regards to history, it makes zero sense that they can claim such a disjointed past when trying to connect all historic civilizations. It seems to be pretty plain to see that they've obviously fabricated history because there are simply too many areas of the world where they claim the locals simply vanished without a trace and didn't leave any records. There were records, they destroyed them (see the Inquisition). There was architecture. They claimed what was left and repurposed it or outright destroyed it. There were people who survived who knew what happened and they removed them (the Inquisition, Insane/Genocide Asylums). It all makes sense when one can step back, dissolve their attachment to the indoctrination and think objectively.
This totally agrees with the way I see things now except for the ‘replicants’ bit. If by that you mean NPCs, I can’t accept that label for anyone who’s seeing through the lies. But I find it funny to try the Truman Show experiment: head out on a route you always take to wherever you’re going then suddenly randomly veer down a street you never take. I’ve done this several times and always see the kind of thing Truman saw - surprise and odd behaviour: imo they are the ‘replicants’ getting a shock at an unexpected event 😂 But ‘real’ people aren’t usually the super wealthy and are more likely to be the homeless person sleeping on the street. Talk to them and see what you think. It’s only gut-instincts that are going to get us through what lies ahead.
 
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Well, I'm not sure how that term applies to people who act out their role without questioning the " reality" factor.
Now and then, I see a glimmer of wokeness when I mention flat earth proofs, or evidence that defies the Atom theory, Germ theory, other mainstream pseudoscience.

What makes people tick? I reckon it's the Matrix computer code. And who writes that code?
I am not a Gnostic, not that I understand that belief system.
But I do like their origin ideas. Which present aeons who emanate our universe. Which sounds a lot like the simulation hologram.
I see them as the Big Bang Theory tv show characters who play D&D and other fantasy games.

Sophia and Gaia were the aeons who created the Gard3n of Eden. Maybe.
Sophia emanated the Demiurge, who somehow hacked the program and became Saturn, the ringed planet.

Why the ring ?
My wild guess -- a command module in the computer program. An electromagnetic signal that taps into human brains.
In some cases, it's a satanic possession. Brian Cox, Neil deGrasse Tyson, and countless other "low vibration" traitors collude with the demonic influencers.

The devil made me do it.
 
I’m curious. “Flat earth” can mean a lot of different things to different people. I wish I could embed a poll in this thread, but I either can’t or don’t know how.

Perhaps though, those who would continue this conversation, wouldn’t mind elaborating on their personal views, beliefs, suspicions, etc. Aside from the firmament, even my understanding of fundamental abrahamic views is incomplete.

My questions to you are:

What is it? A disc? Some other shape with a flat surface on top? Is it finite, or boundless? Do there exist lands beyond our realm? If so, are they accessible either with permission or contraption?

Is there a firmament? Do you believe in outer space? If not, what are the celestial bodies we see? I’ll purposefully avoid the sun/moon for this query.

What makes you think or believe that?

I don’t know what it is, but I’ve got a pretty good idea what it isn’t.
 
I’m curious. “Flat earth” can mean a lot of different things to different people. I wish I could embed a poll in this thread, but I either can’t or don’t know how.

Perhaps though, those who would continue this conversation, wouldn’t mind elaborating on their personal views, beliefs, suspicions, etc. Aside from the firmament, even my understanding of fundamental abrahamic views is incomplete.

My questions to you are:

What is it? A disc? Some other shape with a flat surface on top? Is it finite, or boundless? Do there exist lands beyond our realm? If so, are they accessible either with permission or contraption?

Is there a firmament? Do you believe in outer space? If not, what are the celestial bodies we see? I’ll purposefully avoid the sun/moon for this query.

What makes you think or believe that?

I don’t know what it is, but I’ve got a pretty good idea what it isn’t.
I personally found the most compelling wake-up was the Ewaranon Lost History of Flat Earth with the moon map - this info came in part from Stergios’ Vibe of Cosmos. Both of them present an extended plane in a kind of ‘clock-face’ view of our world with the ‘four corners’ of the plane being periodically frozen over and thawed and the ‘ice wall’ being the constantly thawing and freezing over of the other parts of the plane. This involves the cyclical movement of the solar / lunar bodies rotating around the thawed world but gradually moving to cover the whole surface of the plane as the millennia pass Think of a fairground waltzer to get the idea of it. Planet apparently literally means part of a plane. The time it takes to do a complete cycle of the entire plane thawing and freezing is what is known as a great year or the precession of the equinox which takes 25,772 years. Each astrological age lasts a twelfth of this. The age of Pisces (which we are currently in but moving into Aquarius ‘soon’) will last for 2147 years. Presumably the thawing / freezing movement will cause flooding and climate change depending on where you are located. Antarctica is the fiction based on the edge of the ever-changing ice wall. Land may well have already been exposed but this has to be hidden from us hence the Antarctic military presence. The firmament covers this extended plane and is impenetrable. What lies beyond it may be waters above and below as stated in biblical texts. I personally believe that space is fake and the great push to make us believe it which started with the advent of cinema is all fiction to convince us that space travel is possible / real. Why are we in this terrarium? That’s a whole other question. For our protection? Part of an experiment? A vast ‘space’ transportation system? A simulated reality based on a lost world? Whatever the truth of that is, the globe world idea had to be introduced by tptb to undermine the fact that we are in a created world and that there is a creator. It’s a satanic overthrowing of our sovereignty. It’s a way to make us believe in randomness and chaos. It focuses on our insignificance and our soulless and meaningless mortality. We have to wake up to the reality of this world before a new ‘reset’ happens- like the last one which may well have been in the mid to late 19th century. The precession shifts 1 degree every 75 years (the supposed life expectancy of man). The controllers of this world have ensured that’s all the life we can generally expect.
 
What is it?
What is it? I think its the plane of inertia in a toroidal field. I also think its multi dimensional and we are only experiencing the gross matter aspect of it. Although we are able to experience the Aetherial and Astral part, but that requires practice. There is a vortex in the centre, where all light ultimately emanates from, not directly, but indirectly, like refraction of energy.

I think we are in a bubble. As you get higher, and as is shown in physics, as it gets colder, the Noble gasses liquefy, passing through the 4 phases of any gas; air (Aether) liquid, Gel, ice. These states are determine by their "charge".

There is a charge deferential between the ceiling (+) and the ground (-) of 100v / meter. If something is more (-) charged than the Aether, it is heavier (attracted to the ground). If it is more (+) charged than the Aether, it is lighter (attracted to the ceiling). This is "buoyancy", Gravity is a Freemason hoax. Dirigibles of the past were buoyant as they were charged (doped) with a (+) charge at the docking tower.

It is possible to travel via portals to other dimensions of this realm. I think the moon is an abberation, its a focal point of energy emanating from the central vortex above the plane of inertia, that is shown not so much as a reflection, but as an etching, into the moon. Like silver nitrate was used as etching, in photography. The moon map of the realm is a snapshot, it appeared when the moon came into existence. The moon is a recent phenomenon that came into existence after a major cataclysm.

How do I come to these conclusions? Because these types of systems can be directly proven with experiments in magnetism and electricity. Except for the Astral projection part, which can only be experienced personally after you develop the skills. I could not tell you if the system is by design or not. If you read ancient texts about the realm being thought into existence by astral beings of pure consciousness...well it makes for good reading at least.

I could get into plasma events, melted realms, resets and cataclysms, but that's another subject.
 
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My guess is they caused chemical/elemental reactions as part of the Reset destruction.
Who are "they"?
My guess - Anunnaki.
Zechariah Sitchin wrote a series of books about advanced bejngs from Nibiriu who traveled to Planette Earth to find gold to repair their badly damaged atmosphere. I take that to mean their home world's dome.
Brilliant idiots, much like the Big Bang Theory characters who role-play super heroes and wizards and suchlike digital games.

Sumerian myths, as well as those of ancient Egypt and Greek and Mayan and Norse lore, describe them as gods who flew on flying carpets and waged war with thunderbolts. They also built the Old World, often associated with Tartaria.
We were their halfwitted slaves. Good servants, like the butlers and maids and peasants of the English nobiliy.
But they were ambitious, selfish, immoral, vicious, often waging war for fun and profit.
Sitchin spoke of one particular weapon of the gods as a doomsday device. It was so powerful that it fed on its own cataclysmic energies, became uncontrollable and created our modern deserts in Africa and the US. and possibly the Grand Canyon.

This reset may have happened in the 1850s, when the American Civil War was written into history books. We are still recovering from the devastation to our ecosystem.

As an amateur naturalist, I am alarmed by what is happening to the natural world, especially to terrible losses of the bees and birds.
This reset is not accidental. The electromagnetic field called the aether is being attacked by 5g and other unnatural radiation. Yes, the proverbial disturbance in the force field.
Some ct-ers say it's terraforming that will make the planette more accessible -- for Anunnaki who need a different frequency than the Schumann Resonance -- maybe -- or for interdimensional beings (archons) to enter our physical realm.
 
Who are "they"?
My guess - Anunnaki.
Zechariah Sitchin wrote a series of books about advanced bejngs from Nibiriu who traveled to Planette Earth to find gold to repair their badly damaged atmosphere. I take that to mean their home world's dome.
Brilliant idiots, much like the Big Bang Theory characters who role-play super heroes and wizards and suchlike digital games.

Sumerian myths, as well as those of ancient Egypt and Greek and Mayan and Norse lore, describe them as gods who flew on flying carpets and waged war with thunderbolts. They also built the Old World, often associated with Tartaria.
We were their halfwitted slaves. Good servants, like the butlers and maids and peasants of the English nobiliy.
But they were ambitious, selfish, immoral, vicious, often waging war for fun and profit.
Sitchin spoke of one particular weapon of the gods as a doomsday device. It was so powerful that it fed on its own cataclysmic energies, became uncontrollable and created our modern deserts in Africa and the US. and possibly the Grand Canyon.

This reset may have happened in the 1850s, when the American Civil War was written into history books. We are still recovering from the devastation to our ecosystem.

As an amateur naturalist, I am alarmed by what is happening to the natural world, especially to terrible losses of the bees and birds.
This reset is not accidental. The electromagnetic field called the aether is being attacked by 5g and other unnatural radiation. Yes, the proverbial disturbance in the force field.
Some ct-ers say it's terraforming that will make the planette more accessible -- for Anunnaki who need a different frequency than the Schumann Resonance -- maybe -- or for interdimensional beings (archons) to enter our physical realm.
The biggest eye opener for me, possibly more eye opening than the true physical nature of our realm, was understanding that humans are devolving and dying younger. Which is the total opposite to the bullshit we are fed in school. When I realized that the previous life forms and the realm itself was extremely advanced in culture and technology, right up until the most recent cataclysm. Then a parasitical demonic like life force filled the void, and here we are today. It was then, that I realized that ancient texts should be taken very seriously, as these are the writings of people more advanced than us, that could harness this realm physically and metaphysically in a way that we cannot fathom.
 
Which texts do you recommend?

The Gnostic texts and the Kybalion. One of the Hermetic principles of Hermes Trismegistus is that "All is mind". What's meant by that is before something can manifest into physical reality, it must first be thought into being. Physical reality is thus created by the mind. We can take a simple item such as a door for example. The various components (e.g. the actual door, the hinges, the handle) all must be thought of mentally before we can physically create the form out of anything.
 
Which texts do you recommend?
That's a good question, maybe calling for a separate thread listing recommended readings.
The Enuma Elish might be a good place to start. It translates to " when on high" and is the Babylonian creation myth starring Gilgamesh.
Hesiod and Homer wrote about Greek history/myth and the 5 world ages.
Zechariah Sitchin and Immanuel Velikovsky are two of my favorite writers who chronicled ancient events and characters.

Fact or fiction? For all we know, we were born yesterday and fed nothing but lies, fairy tales, exciing holograms of some computer programmer's imagination.
 
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