Flat Earth

[Breizh]

The World Turtle / Cosmic Turtle / World-Bearing Turtle, is a mytheme of a giant turtle supporting or containing the world. It occurs in Hinduism, Chinese mythology, and the mythologies of some of the indigenous peoples of the Americas.

 

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I wish I could verify the source of this sun dog. The left and right halves are mirror images, not a natural phenomenon.

 

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This is a rough draft summary of the Globe ...
... according to the Body Scientific.... suggestions are appreciated.

A. Speeds and trajectories
- rotates 1000 mph at the equator
- orbits the sun at 66,600 mph
- travels with other planets in the solar system to follow the sun which is moving .5 million mph

B. Solar system
- outer space begins at 62 miles above the surface, the Karman line
- air pressure at sea level is 14.7 psi; outer space is a vacuum, 0 psi (pounds per square inch)
- the sun is ~100 wider than earth, uses nuclear fusion to convert hydrogen to helium, which generates gravity

C. Natural forces and phenomena
- gravity : the sun's gravity makes planets fall towards it in orbital paths : the globe's gravity causes all matter to fall to the surface
- refraction
- relativity
- exceptions : clouds, smoke, moon

D. Visual observations
- has stars and constellations that circle overhead unchanged over centuries and millenia, despite its multiple speeds and trajectories
- has oceans where waters seek their own level by their equidistance to the molten center of the planet
- has full moons which reflect sunlight when the sun is on the other side of the globe

E. Authorities, Proofs
- Nasa, SpaceX, Blue Origin, China, other space agencies which launch rockets and satellites to explore outer space
- Photoshop, cgi, other graphic design technology which provide imagery of earth, planets, stars, asteroids, etc.
- UN, which established the Antarctic Treaty at 60°South latitude that forbids all independent exploration

to be continued...

 

[reverendALC]

do people still believe it's flat?!

I can’t speak for others, but I’ll say that the “flat earth” that’s commonly depicted by “globers” (a disc floating in space) is nonsense; a strawman used to discredit and debunk the school of thought.

The “proofs” and the mathematics presented to us as facts do not align with my observations and rudimentary calculations of the world. The governments and agencies who’ve provided these truths and facts are not trustworthy.

If I were to equate globe belief to religion, I would say:

Globe earth: atheism
Unsure: agnosticism
“Flat earth”: belief in

When you look at belief in, many people who believe in god believe in a different god or set of gods or rules of god, or even some form of Omnispiritualism: very different, all while sharing some overall consistencies. Agnostics such as myself, often don’t know what to believe but believe that there is or could be something, and want to know. Lastly, atheism speaks for itself. The firmly held belief in “science”; the religion dressed up as no religion at all.

I can’t say what’s right, but that doesn’t mean I can’t say what’s wrong.

Our governments have orchestrated lies against us:

COVID: a pseudo science fear campaign leveraged to implement controls against freedoms and liberties

(USA) 9/11: a false flag attack used to rationalize the implementation of authoritarian policy

Climate change: a scientific hoax perpetuated to tax, punish, and control the population

Gender theory: a tool to confuse and convince people of the lack of purpose or natural design.

I could go on and on.

If you strip out the theoretical mathematics, scientific theory, celestial coincidence, and other tools used to explain away inconsistencies in globe theory… it’s not very believable.

@grav provided a nice list of some of those glaring inconsistencies which require PHD level theoretical mathematics to explain away.

Employment of Occam’s Razor highlights that:

If the perfectly consistent procession of the stars is repeated over centuries, then they’re probably NOT all flying in different directions at hundreds of thousands of miles per hour with “proof” of parallax that’s only detectable by sophisticated equipment.

If the sun and the moon are the same exact size in the sky, then they’re probably NOT exactly 400x times different in size AND 400x different in distance.

And so on…

To me personally flat earth is the sum of the inconsistencies in the heliocentric globe earth theory, rather than providence of concrete proof of an alternative system.

 

[Just]

I can’t speak for others, but I’ll say that the “flat earth” that’s commonly depicted by “globers” (a disc floating in space) is nonsense; a strawman used to discredit and debunk the school of thought.

The “proofs” and the mathematics presented to us as facts do not align with my observations and rudimentary calculations of the world. The governments and agencies who’ve provided these truths and facts are not trustworthy.

If I were to equate globe belief to religion, I would say:

Globe earth: atheism
Unsure: agnosticism
“Flat earth”: belief in

When you look at belief in, many people who believe in god believe in a different god or set of gods or rules of god, or even some form of Omnispiritualism: very different, all while sharing some overall consistencies. Agnostics such as myself, often don’t know what to believe but believe that there is or could be something, and want to know. Lastly, atheism speaks for itself. The firmly held belief in “science”; the religion dressed up as no religion at all.

I can’t say what’s right, but that doesn’t mean I can’t say what’s wrong.

Our governments have orchestrated lies against us:

COVID: a pseudo science fear campaign leveraged to implement controls against freedoms and liberties

(USA) 9/11: a false flag attack used to rationalize the implementation of authoritarian policy

Climate change: a scientific hoax perpetuated to tax, punish, and control the population

Gender theory: a tool to confuse and convince people of the lack of purpose or natural design.

I could go on and on.

If you strip out the theoretical mathematics, scientific theory, celestial coincidence, and other tools used to explain away inconsistencies in globe theory… it’s not very believable.

@grav provided a nice list of some of those glaring inconsistencies which require PHD level theoretical mathematics to explain away.

Employment of Occam’s Razor highlights that:

If the perfectly consistent procession of the stars is repeated over centuries, then they’re probably NOT all flying in different directions at hundreds of thousands of miles per hour with “proof” of parallax that’s only detectable by sophisticated equipment.

If the sun and the moon are the same exact size in the sky, then they’re probably NOT exactly 400x times different in size AND 400x different in distance.

And so on…

To me personally flat earth is the sum of the inconsistencies in the heliocentric globe earth theory, rather than providence of concrete proof of an alternative system.

Really interesting! In recent years, I’ve begun to realise how much persuasion has had to occur to make us believe in the random, soulless, empty universe rather than the magnificence of a creator and the wonders of the creation around us. The propaganda for the global lie is so evident. All the children’s tv programmes (Lost in Space / Star Trek / Dr Who) which emerged in the early 60s made the reality of globe earth and space travel a given to the post-war generation of children. Over sixty years later, the narrative which we all swallowed in our early years began to show cracks and the arrival of a means to lock down the world had to be devised to keep us all from travelling in the year that a planned ‘ice-wall tracking’ ship expedition of flat-earthers was about to take place. So do I believe the whole plandemic was to prevent the uncontrolled expansion of FE believers. Hell yes!

 

[Akanah]

For me, it's no longer a mystery what the Earth is. Our Earth is a Human earth with humans on it who don't recognize it.
We are human ants on a pair of human titanic embryos. Sun or Moon with a halo are embryonic eyes.
There are no plasma-stars, planets or moons. They are all mirror images of the Earth itself on its eggshell.

 

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This thread has moved from basic flat earth research into the broader realm of digital reality.
reality? or some better term to explain Plato's cave analogy. and The Matrix. and many works of literature that ask about the meaning of life.

Two "new" sites that go beyond the old science-based FE channels are Vibes of Cosmos and Nos Confunden.
VOC presents videos that map the moon to reveal the Infinite Plane and earth's place in it.
NC explores the worlds outside the Antarctic ice wall and presents the human (or humanoid) beings who have moved from their own 'planettes' to other realms. The Anunnaki, for one, who built Tartaria.

 

[TurpinHero]

Well, I believe that the Earth is flat, or at least where we live is quite flat. Now, knowing what the size of the Earth really is is a problem.

In the old Stolen Story, a topic arose about living on a Super-Earth or rather, that the Moon is actually a hologram of the Earth in the sky (or Dome of the Earth) and that we actually live in one of the craters of the Super Earth.

According to this theory, the aliens would be beings that come from other craters on this Super Earth.

Thus, the Earth would be round, just gigantic and would continue to expand and the crater in which we live (limited by the edges of Antarctica) would be somewhat flat.

But there are varied theories like Hollow Earth, Convex Earth, Universe Hologram.
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If people found out that:

1- Heliocentrism is false and the shape of the Earth is completely different from what people say would question all of history.

The Flat Earth, or discovering the true shape of the Earth, is the fundamental step for any historical lie to fall.

Without Heliocentrism the lie about billions of years, carbon dating, Darwin's evolution fall and with them this whole fraudulent system.

Even the pathetic Enstein (who is only so famous for saving Heliocentrism) would perish.

For those who do not know (I doubt anyone here knows this) they have never been able to prove that the Earth moves. It is known as Airy's Deception.

To summarize, they tried to prove that the Earth was moving, they didn't succeed and then Einstein (stealing Poincaré's work) came up and saved Heliocentrism with a wonderful theory and "proving pictures" that gravity (which has never been proven to exist) did the trick. light bends when passing near "planets" ... they did not think that the difference in density between the media makes light change its course (something we learned as children at school).

Well, I think that all fronts to combat lying should be supported.

Very very late to the party here, but any new visitor trying to research the phrase Airy''s Deception' mentioned above, will bring back nil results on a search engine. Enter 'Airy's Failure' et voila!....

 

[reverendALC]

That’s very interesting, I missed that post. It’s almost a carbon-copy of the Michelson-Morley experiment; yet another experiment designed to “prove the earth’s rotation” by virtue of the aether, but the lack of proof discredits the aether instead of the rotation somehow.

It feels similar to:

I’m going to prove that bowling balls are bouncy, by bouncing this bowling ball off of the hard concrete floor.

*drops bowling ball*
*ball doesn’t bounce*

Case closed: the concrete floor is not hard.

 

[Conciousness_Arise]

This thread has moved from basic flat earth research into the broader realm of digital reality.
reality? or some better term to explain Plato's cave analogy. and The Matrix. and many works of literature that ask about the meaning of life.

Two "new" sites that go beyond the old science-based FE channels are Vibes of Cosmos and Nos Confunden.
VOC presents videos that map the moon to reveal the Infinite Plane and earth's place in it.
NC explores the worlds outside the Antarctic ice wall and presents the human (or humanoid) beings who have moved from their own 'planettes' to other realms. The Anunnaki, for one, who built Tartaria.

I follow these channels. They are interesting. I think Nos Confunden borderlines fiction. Where VOC is more reality based on observation.

 

[Birdie]

I am new to this forum and don't see an active thread on flat earth. Is there any interest in the topic?
SH's format is quite impressive. And imposing, to the point that navigating it is tricky for a simple mind like mine. Generic forums have become gross mockeries of their original designs, and so I am looking for a new home where I may spout my heresies, primarily the most basic hidden truth upon which all other distorted truths are based. The Infinite Plane of the Electric Universe.

My overall guesstimate of reality is a computer program which is crashed and rebooted every 300 years or so.

The gnostics may have had insights about our true history, starting with creation by an aeon named Sophia.
Who, if memory holds, became Gaia "in the flesh" so to speak.
I also respect ancient "myths" like that of Pyrrha and Deucalion, who threw rocks over their shoulders to repopulate the world after the Deluge. Rocks growing into organic beings? And vice versa. Nope, human beings are not imaginative enough to come up with such a crazy conspiracy theory.

The unchanging reliability and regularity of the stars and constellations are enough for me, that is incompatible with the Earth flying through the vacuum universe at ludicrous speeds. NASA's increasingly ridiculous lies, inconsistencies, and CGI are just icing on the cake. I suspect we are on the inert (possibly infinite) plane between 2 toroids. Gravity is BS, we are electromagnetic, Tesla was onto it. The sun is local, follows magnetic North, which is moving, taking the sun and it's circular path, with it. This opens up frozen lands and freezes over open areas...Eeeek! Climate change! The elites know this procession of the equinox process, and are exploiting it and trying to frighten people into submitting to total slavery and genocide using it and misrepresenting it as human caused, much as educated ancients frightened the ignorant by predicting eclipses. The fallen angels exist, they have knowledge beyond ours and work with freemasons and another religious/race/ethnicity Thant Must Not Be Named to keep knowledge hidden.

 

[FarewellAngelina]

The unchanging reliability and regularity of the stars and constellations are enough for me, that is incompatible with the Earth flying through the vacuum universe at ludicrous speeds. NASA's increasingly ridiculous lies, inconsistencies, and CGI are just icing on the cake. I suspect we are on the inert (possibly infinite) plane between 2 toroids. Gravity is BS, we are electromagnetic, Tesla was onto it. The sun is local, follows magnetic North, which is moving, taking the sun and it's circular path, with it. This opens up frozen lands and freezes over open areas...Eeeek! Climate change! The elites know this procession of the equinox process, and are exploiting it and trying to frighten people into submitting to total slavery and genocide using it and misrepresenting it as human caused, much as educated ancients frightened the ignorant by predicting eclipses. The fallen angels exist, they have knowledge beyond ours and work with freemasons and another religious/race/ethnicity Thant Must Not Be Named to keep knowledge hidden.

Up until the late medieval times the movement of the constellations was known as the trepidation of the equinoxes , observed by astrologers of Arabic, Vedic and Hebrew scholars - probably all who studied the movement of the stars .

Precession of the equinoxes is a prerequisite of the the silly Copernican system. The equinoxes process and recess as observed and recorded over time.

 

[Breizh]

Agreed, although regarding:

...another religious/race/ethnicity Thant Must Not Be Named to keep knowledge hidden

IMO that current self-declared group with olive/pale skin is has nothing in common with the original ancient same-named peoples. At some point the current imposters borrowed a suitable identity and played pretend.

 

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[MJ.nfl]

Eric Dubay's channel on YouTube...

Eric Dubay

 

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Eric Dubay's Atlantean Conspiracy site has disappeared from the internet, as have lots of other FE platforms.
His book is still avaliable at The Internet Archive, which offers several downloadable formats of his 200 Proofs Earrh Is Not a Spinning Ball. This one does not offer his images but is easy to copy-paste.

https://archive.org/stream/200ProofsEart...1_djvu.txt

51) Antarctica is by far the coldest place on Earth with an
average annual temperature of approximately -57 degrees
Fahrenheit, and a record low of -135.8! The average annual
temperature at the North Pole, however, is a comparatively
warm 4 degrees. Throughout the year, temperatures in the
Antarctic vary less than half the amount at comparable
Arctic latitudes. The Northern Arctic region enjoys
moderately warm summers and manageable winters,
whereas the Southern Antarctic region never even warms
enough to melt the perpetual snow and ice. On a tilting,
wobbling, ball-Earth spinning uniformly around the Sun,
Arctic and Antarctic temperatures and seasons should not
vary so greatly.

 

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Flat Earth is the place where History was Stolen.
And I will throw "aliens" into the conspiracy theory mix. By aliens, I mean non-Terrans.
The Anunnaki, the Advanced Beings who entered our realm a few thousand years ago, built Tartaria, brought other humanoid slave races here, and waged wars that upheaveled our world.

I call our species Homo ignoranus [sic], after a term I read in Immanuel Velikovsky's Worlds in Collision.
My Anunnaki ideas come from Zechariah Sitchin, who proposed these brilliant Old World builders as the architects of Tartaria/Atlantis/Hyperboria or whatever they called the magnificent civilizations of the past.

I don't usually post videos on this thread, being more inclined to use text and images. and maps.
I'm putting this video here to show how maps from pre-1800 may be more accurate than the ones we have now.
The gatekeepers took over this reset........when? I guess the Nazi-Zionists won Wars 1 and 2, started rewriting history around 1900, and accomplished their goal in the 1950s. Very rough estimates.

The 1570 map shows castles and star forts in Africa but no pyramids. No Sahara Desert.
Some alternative history people think the Anunnaki wars may have happened around 1700 - 1850.
Humans were a small slave population at that time. I used to assume that black humans from another world outside the Antarctic rim were the first race imported into the earth realm in southern Africa. Maybe not?
Possibly "Arabic" or "Caucasian" Homo ignoranuses were brought here to do menial labor.


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1aXDvfGSSfU

 

[ThomasVonDerBosch]

Please explain how a WWII vintage battleship with optical, line of sight rangefinder can accurately sight and hit anything from 30kms away on a ball of water??

The parrot will say oh thats the "Coriolis effect" and fill you with verbal salad. However an artillery shell doesn't follow the science or NASA fakery. The formulas take into account the distance, weight of projectile, the size of the charge and the angle of the barrel. One thing they do not account for is this false Coriolis effect.

I guess they lost the telemetry for that too! Like the moon landings.