Flat Earth

[Knowncitizen]

You're right it doesn't matter about size, but rotational speed does. Earth rotates once per day. The Centrifugal force isn't fast enough to overcome gravity.

Earth rotates once every 23h 56m (23.933h), so at the equator where Earth's circumference is 2ΠR = 2x3. 14x6378 km = 40,000 km it has to travel at a speed of Vrot = 40000km/23.933h = 1,674 km/hr., ok gotcha!

 

[grav]

Here we go again with revolutions per time period.
The machinery handbook is very clear about rim speed as the determinant of wheel integrity. One spin cycle per day. So?
1000 mph revolution is insane. Do science teachers actually present such malarkey to their students? I don't remember that information in any science classes. Or the orbital speed of 66,600. Or anything at all about speeds of the alleged solar system.

Doesn't that seem odd to everyone?
I may be mistaken; please correct me if I am wrong about the education system. I was a teacher (of English) and I encouraged my students to ask questions. And they did. Now imagine a smart kid, or a smart-aleck, in a high school physics class where the prof brings up the blue marble spinning mach 1.5 and orbiting at mach 87.

And how about brilliant students learning spherical trigonometry?
Would any of them try to apply it to earth's curve and drop from sight?
And why don't they ask why clouds don't fall because of the "force" of gravity?
And air having to sync speeds with the surface of the whirling and zooming globe?
And why don't chemistry students ask how empty space exists between the Atom's nucleus and its electrons?

 

[Sigian]

Here we go again with revolutions per time period.
The machinery handbook is very clear about rim speed as the determinant of wheel integrity. One spin cycle per day. So?
1000 mph revolution is insane. Do science teachers actually present such malarkey to their students? I don't remember that information in any science classes. Or the orbital speed of 66,600. Or anything at all about speeds of the alleged solar system.

Doesn't that seem odd to everyone?
I may be mistaken; please correct me if I am wrong about the education system. I was a teacher (of English) and I encouraged my students to ask questions. And they did. Now imagine a smart kid, or a smart-aleck, in a high school physics class where the prof brings up the blue marble spinning mach 1.5 and orbiting at mach 87.

And how about brilliant students learning spherical trigonometry?
Would any of them try to apply it to earth's curve and drop from sight?
And why don't they ask why clouds don't fall because of the "force" of gravity?
And air having to sync speeds with the surface of the whirling and zooming globe?
And why don't chemistry students ask how empty space exists between the Atom's nucleus and its electrons?

So why don't clouds fall without gravity? 1000 mph is what like 14 to 15 degrees of rotation on a planet that has a circumference of a stated 24,901 miles. It isn't a car or an airplane that can go 1000 mph, it is an entire planet and everything within its atmosphere held in place by an electromagnetic field that literally creates our atmosphere, all spinning at the same time. How do you explain other celestial bodies? Orbs that orbit the firmament? The aurora caused by the EMF? Other planets? Antartica being 3337 miles across at the largest point?

Sorry again, not trying to argue, just getting your viewpoint. Is it all based upon religious texts? Was there anything outside of the bible that claims there is a firmament surrounding earth? So it wouldn't be a whole sphere moving thru space, just a half a sphere stagnant in space? The equator moves at about 1000 mph and it is the warmest area of our planet, the poles move at almost nothing being the coolest points, how does a flat earth explain the north pole? Does the disk not rotate at all?

A wheel is a wheel, centripetal force yes, does it have a pull called gravity that also pulls? Yes I know gravity is that one argument here it seems, but it wasn't many years ago we had no radio, television, computers or anything else, who is to say we will not have a better explanation for gravity here one day?

 

[fega72]

Yes I know gravity is that one argument here it seems, but it wasn't many years ago we had no radio, television, computers or anything else, who is to say we will not have a better explanation for gravity here one day?

So if gravity holds Earth on its path around the Sun then it is a HUGE force. It will pull everything on Earth as well. Is this means your weight in daytime when you are "between" Earth and Sun less than night time when the Sun's gravity force try to pulling you trough Earth?

 

[fega72]

Yes I know gravity is that one argument here it seems, but it wasn't many years ago we had no radio, television, computers or anything else, who is to say we will not have a better explanation for gravity here one day?

So if gravity holds Earth on its path around the Sun then it is a HUGE force. It will pull everything on Earth as well. Is this means your weight in daytime when you are "between" Earth and Sun less than night time when the Sun's gravity force try to pulling you trough Earth?

The affect of gravity is based both on the mass of the objects and the distance between them. Your weight will be less or more depending on whether or not the Earth is facing the Sun, but the Earth's radius is 3.958 miles compared to the distance of the Sun of 93,000,000 miles.

Remember when Flat Earth believers through out large numbers their primarily goal is to confuse you and awestruck you into not believing in something.

I will tell my wife to only use the scale around midday then.

 

[grav]

it is an entire planet and everything within its atmosphere held in place by an electromagnetic field that literally creates our atmosphere, all spinning at the same time.

This is a pretense of ignorance and confusion.
I call it the kitchen sink defense. Throw in pseudoscience and jargon and you see how the freemasons have thoroughly brainwashed the sheeple.

I do not for one minite think you are sincere, Sigian. But I appreciatw your polote manner. This distraction serves only to dissuay people from investigating flat earth.

Your electrogagnetic field is what? gravity? which holds the atmosphere in place as it spins 1000 mph, orbits 66,600 mph? and lets clouds and plumes of smoke float while being dragged along with the surface?

utterly impossible.

 

[Knowncitizen]

it is an entire planet and everything within its atmosphere held in place by an electromagnetic field that literally creates our atmosphere, all spinning at the same time.

This is a pretense of ignorance and confusion.
I call it the kitchen sink defense. Throw in pseudoscience and jargon and you see how the freemasons have thoroughly brainwashed the sheeple.

I do not for one minute think you are sincere, Sigian. But I appreciate your polite manner. This distraction serves only to dissuade people from investigating flat earth.

Your electromagnetic field is what? gravity? which holds the atmosphere in place as it spins 1000 mph, orbits 66,600 mph? and lets clouds and plumes of smoke float while being dragged along with the surface?

utterly impossible.

Thanks for typing this up, LOL
@Sigian's response made me feel like the freemasons were touching me inappropriately. LOL I'm sure it took a whole 10 minutes for him to copy/paste from nasa.com.

 

[grav]

it is an entire planet and everything within its atmosphere held in place by an electromagnetic field that literally creates our atmosphere, all spinning at the same time.

This is a pretense of ignorance and confusion.
I call it the kitchen sink defense. Throw in pseudoscience and jargon and you see how the freemasons have thoroughly brainwashed the sheeple.

I do not for one minute think you are sincere, Sigian. But I appreciate your polite manner. This distraction serves only to dissuade people from investigating flat earth.

Your electromagnetic field is what? gravity? which holds the atmosphere in place as it spins 1000 mph, orbits 66,600 mph? and lets clouds and plumes of smoke float while being dragged along with the surface?

utterly impossible.

Thanks for typing this up, LOL
@Sigian's response made me feel like the freemasons were touching me inappropriately. LOL I'm sure it took a whole 10 minutes for him to copy/paste from nasa.com.

touching you inappropriately? Uh, maybe worse than that.
Remember the scene in Silence of the Lambs where Anthony Hopkins relishes a particularly gruesome memory? He had drugged or hypnotized a victim and fed him his own brains.

That pretty much describes how I feel about the freemasons who keep their livestock dumb, drugged, and docile (David Icke's words)
Like this herd immunity thingie with Covid. Oh, the irony. Tell us we're herd animals and then the dumb bunny humans line up and take their poison vaccines.

 

[Knowncitizen]

it is an entire planet and everything within its atmosphere held in place by an electromagnetic field that literally creates our atmosphere, all spinning at the same time.

This is a pretense of ignorance and confusion.
I call it the kitchen sink defense. Throw in pseudoscience and jargon and you see how the freemasons have thoroughly brainwashed the sheeple.

I do not for one minute think you are sincere, Sigian. But I appreciate your polite manner. This distraction serves only to dissuade people from investigating flat earth.

Your electromagnetic field is what? gravity? which holds the atmosphere in place as it spins 1000 mph, orbits 66,600 mph? and lets clouds and plumes of smoke float while being dragged along with the surface?

utterly impossible.

Thanks for typing this up, LOL
@Sigian's response made me feel like the freemasons were touching me inappropriately. LOL I'm sure it took a whole 10 minutes for him to copy/paste from nasa.com.

touching you inappropriately? Uh, maybe worse than that.
Remember the scene in Silence of the Lambs where Anthony Hopkins relishes a particularly gruesome memory? He had drugged or hypnotized a victim and fed him his own brains.

That pretty much describes how I feel about the freemasons who keep their livestock dumb, drugged, and docile (David Icke's words)
Like this herd immunity thingie with Covid. Oh, the irony. Tell us we're herd animals and then the dumb bunny humans line up and take their poison vaccines.

Once you break the flat earth spell, the other spells are easier to see through.
This telegram chat group has great videos to help break the Nasa, Space, Space Station, Mars and Globe lies.
Wecome To Flat Earth!!!!!!
https://t.me/Killshot2020

 

[Razor2299]

We all were told that magnetic field on Earth is created by molten iron in its core. However, if you start heating a magnet, on gas stove for example, at 176° F or 80° C it will lose its magnetic properties. Magnet Experiments: What Happens When a Magnet is Heated | Apex Magnets Blog
So forget about molten iron and other nonsense- molten iron connot generate magnetism.
This makes me think that there is something else under the places that are referred to "magnetic poles" that generate that magnetism. So what is it? And why we are told that this is molten iron, when anyone can disprove this by doing a simple experiment in their kitchen ??

 

[Sigian]

it is an entire planet and everything within its atmosphere held in place by an electromagnetic field that literally creates our atmosphere, all spinning at the same time.

This is a pretense of ignorance and confusion.
I call it the kitchen sink defense. Throw in pseudoscience and jargon and you see how the freemasons have thoroughly brainwashed the sheeple.

I do not for one minite think you are sincere, Sigian. But I appreciatw your polote manner. This distraction serves only to dissuay people from investigating flat earth.

Your electrogagnetic field is what? gravity? which holds the atmosphere in place as it spins 1000 mph, orbits 66,600 mph? and lets clouds and plumes of smoke float while being dragged along with the surface?

utterly impossible.

Thanks for that but I am simply trying to figure out what makes people believe a flat, sphere or otherwise shaped earth, and so far nothing has really been conveyed besides a simple "you are wrong" reply. Evidence, sources, some science thrown in? Starting to sound like a political discussion where you are saying your opinion is wrong and mine isn't. What exactly was the point of this thread then if not to discuss things?

 

[Worsaae]

We all were told that magnetic field on Earth is created by molten iron in its core. However, if you start heating a magnet, on gas stove for example, at 176° F or 80° C it will lose its magnetic properties. Magnet Experiments: What Happens When a Magnet is Heated | Apex Magnets Blog
So forget about molten iron and other nonsense- molten iron connot generate magnetism.
This makes me think that there is something else under the places that are referred to "magnetic poles" that generate that magnetism. So what is it? And why we are told that this is molten iron, when anyone can disprove this by doing a simple experiment in their kitchen ??

Does it work the other way too? Cold increases the power of the magnets?

 

[Jd755]

Thanks for that but I am simply trying to figure out what makes people believe a flat, sphere or otherwise shaped earth, and so far nothing has really been conveyed besides a simple "you are wrong" reply. Evidence, sources, some science thrown in? Starting to sound like a political discussion where you are saying your opinion is wrong and mine isn't. What exactly was the point of this thread then if not to discuss things?

Believers believe what they feel comfortable with. Plain truth is our senses are not built to give us a true picture of this place. No bugger knows what shape it is, even if it has a shape or needs one. It's almost all speculation delivered by cone shaped visual apparatus geometry save these two truths.
Contained water is always dead level at its surface.
Our visual geometry detects level and we orient the body to level.
Applying these truths to what we see, are told, are shown, experience however is beyond believers.

 

[Prolix]

Some pretty footage here, variously claimed to be the downing of two military satellites (ahem, Ben Fulford) and SpaceX's Falcon 9 (well, that must be so, then).

https://video.wixstatic.com/video/bcb736_616b35e912434434ae6e1350cfa7d746/720p/mp4/file.mp4
https://video.wixstatic.com/video/bcb736_fec7871c89a843e1baf413d4f84fdfa8/480p/mp4/file.mp4

 

[David Glenney]

Only works if the sun is far far away (as it was mentioned in the video).

At 3:10, even Neil Freemason Tyson admits that Eratosthenes' alleged experiment would return the same result on a flat earth with a close sun as on a globe (or perfectly spherical pear) with a ludicrously far away sun:

Eratosthenes and the Globe Religion by Sky Free

 

[Sigian]

We all were told that magnetic field on Earth is created by molten iron in its core. However, if you start heating a magnet, on gas stove for example, at 176° F or 80° C it will lose its magnetic properties. Magnet Experiments: What Happens When a Magnet is Heated | Apex Magnets Blog
So forget about molten iron and other nonsense- molten iron connot generate magnetism.
This makes me think that there is something else under the places that are referred to "magnetic poles" that generate that magnetism. So what is it? And why we are told that this is molten iron, when anyone can disprove this by doing a simple experiment in their kitchen ??

Certain magnets can go well beyond 80° C -

List of Magnets That Can Withstand High Temperatures | Stanford Magnets

https://www.duramag.com/techtalk/alnico-magnets/alnico-magnets-for-high-heat-applications/
Still not the almost 11,000° F that is a claimed core temperature, but there could be more heat resistant magnets.

Thanks for that but I am simply trying to figure out what makes people believe a flat, sphere or otherwise shaped earth, and so far nothing has really been conveyed besides a simple "you are wrong" reply. Evidence, sources, some science thrown in? Starting to sound like a political discussion where you are saying your opinion is wrong and mine isn't. What exactly was the point of this thread then if not to discuss things?

Believers believe what they feel comfortable with. Plain truth is our senses are not built to give us a true picture of this place. No bugger knows what shape it is, even if it has a shape or needs one. It's almost all speculation delivered by cone shaped visual apparatus geometry save these two truths.
Contained water is always dead level at its surface.
Our visual geometry detects level and we orient the body to level.
Applying these truths to what we see, are told, are shown, experience however is beyond believers.

Agreed so much. Look I known the Bedford Experiment (Bedford Level experiment - Wikipedia) and ensuing measurements really did not prove or really disprove a sphere or flat earth. Both sides do sound logical to a physicist, and other experiments really didn't either.

Can we not just create a super long spirit level, put it across the surface of water, and when it finds its level, see if the ends are touching the water or not?

I am not against or for either side here, just trying to justify my view and see others, and then to determine where I myself stand. Is that not how this is supposed to work? Seems like these new and KDs original forum worked, bouncing ideas around with all the lies told to come to a better understanding of who we are, where we came from, and the truth of how it all came to be. Though maybe I am a freemason, my kids do call me an alien or their Google all the time because I read a lot, either way, I want to figure it out as 100% fact or fiction just like most do.

 

[Jd755]

Your eyes deliver level across their cone of vision right slap bang in the middle every time. Why do you thing gun sights have 'cross hairs'. The eyes are built to establish level yet, I might have mentioned that, and off of that level they can also establish 90 degree to the level aka perpendicular.

You seem not to want to use or trust your eyes in this matter.
Discover the world of the water level. Basically two marks one on each end of the clear hose pipe.
Filled with water this simple device becomes the most accurate level there ever can be.
When the water is at the same level as defined by the marks on the hose no matter how long the hose is I guarantee that a wall built to the two marks will be level. anything built off of this wall will be dead perpendicular to the dead level.

Everything humans build including their optics and spirit levels is built off of a level.

Contained water adopts the shape of its container and is dead level at its surface every time, every single time. It doesn't curve, doesn't bend doesn't rise up to a horizon. It is level. Do test it out for yourself it's the best way for you to accept the truth.

 

[Sigian]

When the water is at the same level as defined by the marks on the hose no matter how long the hose is I guarantee that a wall built to the two marks will be level. anything built off of this wall will be dead perpendicular to the dead level.

Of course they will be, but the question is will they be level with the water as well? Since water isn't as misshapen as the land can be, even with waves/ripples etc., but a still/mostly still body of water long enough to actually try this out?

Contained water adopts the shape of its container and is dead level at its surface every time, every single time. It doesn't curve, doesn't bend doesn't rise up to a horizon. It is level. Do test it out for yourself it's the best way for you to accept the truth.

At a small scale I can, but at the larger one where curvature could come into effect I cannot, if I had that kind of money laying around I wouldn't be travelling so much for work and instead travelling for pleasure.

 

[Jd755]

Contained water does not curve, bend, warp. It is always every single time dead level at its surface. The size of the container is irrelevant water always, always adopts the shape of the container and gives a level surface. Tea cup, puddle, pool, dock, lake, inland sea, the ocean all contained all present a the level surface.
How do you think the first spirit level was developed?
By using a water level to establish true level and check the accuracy of the device.
Water level of contained water is the base, the very foundation of all levelling devices ever invented and is the thing used to check their accuracy.

Assume you are stood on a ball then the surface of that ball is falling away from your position in every direction. There's another truth. This would mean establishing level would be impossible, totally and utterly impossible yet we live by establishing level and as I said every single thing we build is built on the level. On a ball everything on the surface of the ball is falling away from the point of view.

 

[grav]

Contained water does not curve, bend, warp. It is always every single time dead level at its surface. The size of the container is irrelevant water always, always adopts the shape of the container and gives a level surface. Tea cup, puddle, pool, dock, lake, inland sea, the ocean all contained all present a the level surface.
How do you think the first spirit level was developed?
By using a water level to establish true level and check the accuracy of the device.
Water level of contained water is the base, the very foundation of all levelling devices ever invented and is the thing used to check their accuracy.

Assume you are stood on a ball then the surface of that ball is falling away from your position in every direction. There's another truth. This would mean establishing level would be impossible, totally and utterly impossible yet we live by establishing level and as I said every single thing we build is built on the level. On a ball everything on the surface of the ball is falling away from the point of view.

Pure-D perfect logic.
I'm going to copy and paste this at Banned.Talk.