Flat Earth

Honest question, because I cannot find a specific answer out there.

What is the benefit of denying a FE and instead saying it is a globe?

Saying that there is more beyond the icy barrier is akin to saying there is more out there in space.

Just want to know your opinion, or if there is a specific set of views agreed upon by FE'rs.
 
Honest question, because I cannot find a specific answer out there.

What is the benefit of denying a FE and instead saying it is a globe?

Saying that there is more beyond the icy barrier is akin to saying there is more out there in space.

Just want to know your opinion, or if there is a specific set of views agreed upon by FE'rs.

For me it comes down to the luciferian ideal of an inverted world to keep you off balance. It doesn't matter to our controllers what we believe in, only that it is not based on natural reality or common sense. It's about weaving a spell, keeping you away from truth. It's a kind of game they play and having always played to their advantage. For them it's fun to deceive, to pull down, to trick, to undermine. They do this because they are in the business of farming this world and need pliant sheep to shear.

The globe and space deception pulls in all kinds of people with its fantastical storylines. It promotes our insignificance as inhabitants of this realm and sets us adrift. We forget that we are god's creatures and live at the center of our universe, and have a reason to be incarnating here.

Keeping us on a spinning ball hurtling through an infinite universe causes us to become disoriented. Just where they like us to be.
 
Honest question, because I cannot find a specific answer out there.

What is the benefit of denying a FE and instead saying it is a globe?

Saying that there is more beyond the icy barrier is akin to saying there is more out there in space.

Just want to know your opinion, or if there is a specific set of views agreed upon by FE'rs.

-The globe Earth supports evolution and helps in denying the existence of God
-People are taught that Earth is just one of trillions of planets in one of many universes. We are nothing. Our existence has no meaning or purpose.
-We are an accident. We are basically apes that can talk.
-We are taught that we are apes living upside down on a spinning ball flying across the universe at high speed for no real reason. And we believe it. It means that it is easy for TPTB to make us believe stuff that is just ridiculous. Every child out there will be like "what?" when you tell them that Earth is moving and that people in the southern hemisphere are living upside down.
-If Earth is a globe, the only way out is up. And that is only available to the elites. If Earth is flat, there is plenty to explore if you manage to cross the antarctic lands.
-If they lie about the very shape of the place we live in, what else have they lied about? What else has been covered up? Perhaps the location of paradise at the center of the flat Earth (the north Pole)? Civilizations under the Earth?
-If Earth is a globe and resources are limited, then why would they want us to know that Earth is flat and rich in infinite resources for everyone?
 
thought being a Velikovskian was enough for me, but I feel fortunate to have discovered another deeper layer of the onion.

On top of all the other excellent points made above, this one tickles my fancy the most.
I found FE (and my science sanity) in 2015 when a remarkable poster named Rothbard posted a crazy thread on Lunatic Outpost. On that one wonderful day, the proverbial scales fell from my eyes and all my early complaints about the Atom theory and other nonsense finally, finally were answered.

This was way after I had found Velikovsky, whose Worlds in Collision I have read several times. It should be required reading for all alt-chron buffs.
I've also taken classes in myth and have studied Sumerian and Gnostic writings about the business of creation, which led me to the Electric Universe. Oh, what a journey it has been! Why doesn't everyone want to take it?

As several people have noted, these ideas are labelled heresies by the Control System. To understand them requires independent thought and considerable effort to bypass the establishment's indoctrination system.
It is so much easier to believe the fairy tales: the germ theory, the spinning balls in space vacuum, 911, and all the insane goings-on that pass for reality.

Anyway, Velikovsky. Wow. Talk about resets! Usually by means of comets which "upheavaled" the world over and over.

No one talks about them any more. Or Coherent Catastrophism.
We have Covid, idiotic wars, UFO invasion, and other psyops in public discourse now. Not comets, which are likely an electric short in the flat earth battery.

Humans have a condition called collective amnesia. That brain wipe tendency may be how the Illuminati do resets, even without Covid vaccine compiter chips.

I'll quit typing now. I think I've said quite enough heresy and crazy talk. o_O
for now.
 


I have to question the tone struck throughout the video. If it's aimed at novices, as it appears to be, then the frequently obnoxious pose struck, towards brain-damaged idiot "globeheads", is going to be self defeating. Or maybe it's just the self-congratulatory circle jerk it often appears to be. That would account for the gleeful ripping of deGrasse Tyson at the end. I thought it was very over produced too, much too busy (the slicker and closer to broadcast-standard videos become, the glibber and less rigorous they often are). Only Dave Murphy really came over well.

I'm also a bit wary of calling on the Buzz Aldrin confessional to that kid as evidence; I'll happily interpret it at face value, but if you take his entire answer then it's easy to argue as borderline incoherent.

I found the most interesting part the footage of the downed satellite with balloon attached. The narration suggested there were many such reported cases, and it would have been good to have a bit more on the numbers/detail.
 
I have to question the tone struck throughout the video. If it's aimed at novices, as it appears to be, then the frequently obnoxious pose struck, towards brain-damaged idiot "globeheads", is going to be self defeating. Or maybe it's just the self-congratulatory circle jerk it often appears to be. That would account for the gleeful ripping of deGrasse Tyson at the end. I thought it was very over produced too, much too busy (the slicker and closer to broadcast-standard videos become, the glibber and less rigorous they often are). Only Dave Murphy really came over well.

I'm also a bit wary of calling on the Buzz Aldrin confessional to that kid as evidence; I'll happily interpret it at face value, but if you take his entire answer then it's easy to argue as borderline incoherent.

I found the most interesting part the footage of the downed satellite with balloon attached. The narration suggested there were many such reported cases, and it would have been good to have a bit more on the numbers/detail.

Much to Dreamtime's surprise, I was also put off by the troll-like approach to language implemented by the guests in the video, as well as Dubay's. It took away from their potential to come across as credible.

Either way, a good documentary in spite of its shortcomings.
 
Anyway, Velikovsky. Wow. Talk about resets! Usually by means of comets which "upheavaled" the world over and over.

No one talks about them any more. Or Coherent Catastrophism.
We have Covid, idiotic wars, UFO invasion, and other psyops in public discourse now. Not comets, which are likely an electric short in the flat earth battery.

At 41:55 in the Ewaranon video below he conjectures that comets are not moving bodies, but are light beams from pierced holes in the firmament. Howzz that for original thinking? The 'comet' and its light stream are seen to rotate in the sky in a fixed way, in concert with the stars movement. The 'comet' therefore does not have a trajectory independent of the fixed stars. In this scenario one can imagine that this hole in the firmament could let in substances that negatively affect the earth's environment. Damage to the firmament could be creating an electric short as well.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RHz_RQhfEQ


Amazing that we can rationalize just about any scenario in the sky. The neo-Velikovskians have a well worked out system of belief, which I was once convinced of. Their theories are very elegant. If I had remained in the fold and gotten more of a reputation in the Thunderbolts tribe, I wouldn't have broken away and explored things sideways to discover FE. I wasn't so much into the physics or astral aspects, but more into the cultural amnesia theory of Velikovsky. I gave a speech on the subject at the 2017 Electric Universe conference in Phoenix.

I find the subject of amnesia intriguing and realize how deeply pervasive it is as a mechanism for forgetting or sublimating traumatic experiences. It is a type of psychic self-protection. Most humans don't want to remember, they want to get on with daily life. The past is filled with discomforting bug-a-boos.
 
I doubt it'll be taken down. You'll see reasonable people shred the claims made in the movie, but I think it'll remain up.

Here's the problem I see with both Flat Earth and Young Earth Creationism, they spend a lot of time trying to knock down the evidence provided by science, but don't provide any of their own. Often times both groups will make claims that can simply be dismissed because they don't have anything to back them up.
Plenty of proofs are made in the video. What flat earth does more than anything else is it puts common sense back into science. Scientism only accepts arguments from other "qualified" scientists, regardless of how unscientific their arguments may be. It is also the backbone of the scamdemic narrative, where "experts" make outlandish claims that cannot be supported by facts. If you believe the proofs presented in this video are not backed up by scientific investigation, please specify.
I have to question the tone struck throughout the video. If it's aimed at novices, as it appears to be, then the frequently obnoxious pose struck, towards brain-damaged idiot "globeheads", is going to be self defeating. Or maybe it's just the self-congratulatory circle jerk it often appears to be. That would account for the gleeful ripping of deGrasse Tyson at the end. I thought it was very over produced too, much too busy (the slicker and closer to broadcast-standard videos become, the glibber and less rigorous they often are). Only Dave Murphy really came over well.

I'm also a bit wary of calling on the Buzz Aldrin confessional to that kid as evidence; I'll happily interpret it at face value, but if you take his entire answer then it's easy to argue as borderline incoherent.

I found the most interesting part the footage of the downed satellite with balloon attached. The narration suggested there were many such reported cases, and it would have been good to have a bit more on the numbers/detail.
I agree, it seems to be more about providing red meat for the base, though there are still some great proofs presented for those with an open mind to examine. If someone is put off by a presenter, it seems to me that they're just looking for reasons to write it off anyway, though I do understand the value of a diplomatic presentation. At this point in time, I'm far less concerned with awakening normies and more focused on helping those of like mind with ideas and details that may help to enhance their understanding of the cabal's playbook, while learning from their input as well. If they still can't see a flat plane everytime they look at the horizon, especially after viewing this video, there's probably little else they'll be open-minded to either. The time for waking people up is just about over. Now's the time to get ready for the cabal's next play: disclosure.
 
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The Thunderbolts are wedged between a rock and a hard place.
First, their Electric Universe negates the Atom and, by extension, nuclear bombs.
Can they also, in one fell swoop, sweep away Nasa's astronomy and the space program? Yes, I guess, if a worldwide reset were engineered.

I know that mudfloods are the reset du jour on forums.
Let's not forget resets by fire from the skies.

The following excerpt comes from a long and remarkable article about the Comet Biela conflagration that destroyed thousands of acres in the Midwest in 1871.
It was not as horrendous as some comerary insults recorded by Velikovsky, who claimed that Comet Venus was born from the head of her father, Jupiter. She ravaged the earth on a regular basis until she settled into a quiet orbit as a planet.

Comet Biela and Mrs. O’Leary’s Cow | Cassiopaea

The flames that consumed a great part of Chicago were of an unusual character and produced extraordinary effects. They absolutely melted the hardest building-stone, which had previously been considered fire-proof. Iron, glass, granite, were fused and run together into grotesque conglomerates, as if they had been put through a blast-furnace. No kind of material could stand its breath for a moment.

I quote again from Sheahan & Upton’s work:

“The huge stone and brick structures melted before the fierceness of the flames as a snow-flake melts and disappears in water, and almost as quickly. Six-story buildings would take fire and disappear for ever from sight in five minutes by the watch… The fire also doubled on its track at the great Union Depot and burned half a mile southward in the very teeth of the gale – a gale which blew a perfect tornado, and in which no vessel could have lived on the lake… Strange, fantastic fires of blue, red, and green played along the cornices of buildings” [“History of the Chicago Fire” 85, 86].

Hon. William B. Ogden wrote at the time:

“The fire was accompanied by the fiercest tornado of wind ever known to blow here” [Ibid 87].

“The most striking peculiarity of the fire was its intense heat. Nothing exposed to it escaped. Amid the hundreds of acres left bare there is not to be found a piece of wood of any description, and, unlike most fires, it left nothing half burned… The fire swept the streets of all the ordinary dust and rubbish, consuming it instantly” [Ibid 119].

The Athens marble burned like coal!

“The intensity of the heat may be judged, and the thorough combustion of everything wooden may be understood, when we state that in the yard of one of the large agricultural-implement factories was stacked some hundreds of tons of pig-iron. This iron was two hundred feet from any building. To the south of it was the river, one hundred and fifty feet wide. No large building but the factory was in the immediate vicinity of the fire. Yet, so great was the heat, that this pile of iron melted and run, and is now in one large and nearly solid mass” [Ibid 121].
 
The Thunderbolts are wedged between a rock and a hard place.
First, their Electric Universe negates the Atom and, by extension, nuclear bombs.
Can they also, in one fell swoop, sweep away Nasa's astronomy and the space program? Yes, I guess, if a worldwide reset were engineered.

I don't think the Thunderbolts/Electric Universe people are interested in abandoning the infinite spaces, rocky planet, ball earth paradigm. This is a legacy of Velikovsky's work and David Talbot's "Saturn Myth" story of the earth and other planets lined up under Saturn at time when it was our sun.

Besides, they are too excited about their theories of what the sun is and how it operates.

Flat Earth is heresy in those circles, as they already have a very elegant theory for astrophysics based partly on the mainstream view and on the alt-planet story of Velikovsky. It's been updated by them and it works in their minds. They've corrected the errors of NASA and can point out the missing ingredient of electricity as the fundamental influence in the universe.

They know NASA is lying on many fronts, but lots of differing opinions on how deep the rabbit hole goes with their deception. Most people don't believe we flew to the moon, but they still think it's a rock up there we can go visit. People in the Thunderbolts camp are open minded in many ways, but at the end of the day they want their rocky ball planets and jagged comet rocks and super huge electrical ball suns racing and spinning through space.

To convince them of a flat earth, you'd have to burst their bubble and convince them of the existence of the firmament and a local sun, which would disappoint them - ha.
 
I don't think the Thunderbolts/Electric Universe people are interested in abandoning the infinite spaces, rocky planet, ball earth paradigm. This is a legacy of Velikovsky's work and David Talbot's "Saturn Myth" story of the earth and other planets lined up under Saturn at time when it was our sun.

Besides, they are too excited about their theories of what the sun is and how it operates.

Flat Earth is heresy in those circles, as they already have a very elegant theory for astrophysics based partly on the mainstream view and on the alt-planet story of Velikovsky. It's been updated by them and it works in their minds. They've corrected the errors of NASA and can point out the missing ingredient of electricity as the fundamental influence in the universe.

They know NASA is lying on many fronts, but lots of differing opinions on how deep the rabbit hole goes with their deception. Most people don't believe we flew to the moon, but they still think it's a rock up there we can go visit. People in the Thunderbolts camp are open minded in many ways, but at the end of the day they want their rocky ball planets and jagged comet rocks and super huge electrical ball suns racing and spinning through space.

To convince them of a flat earth, you'd have to burst their bubble and convince them of the existence of the firmament and a local sun, which would disappoint them - ha.
It's always interesting to see other researchers' limits in how far they will open their minds to new ideas, especially when those new ideas would have the effect of broadening horizons rather than restricting them. I have had the sneaking suspicion that the Thunderbolts project is the product of a controlled opposition campaign to steer truthers away from discovering our true cosmology. I admit I was very intrigued by the electric universe concept when I came across that research back in 2011. When I discovered flat earth a few years later in 2015, the electric universe concept fit in flawlessly, minus the comet rocks and spheres. I was elated and excited, eager to learn more. Then I came across godgvlamste on youtube within this past year, where he explodes the crater earth concept. Still working on that one, but very compelling research that fits into flat earth cosmology quite seamlessly, though like all things that scratches the surface of truth, more questions than answers. The point in all of this is to keep an open mind. When there is excessive gatekeeping, even when new research brought forward enhances rather than restricts an idea, either the individual is still not ready for unadulterated truth through open minded research, or we have discovered a well coordinated psyop in progress. I suspect the latter with the Thunderbolts project.
 
It's always interesting to see other researchers' limits in how far they will open their minds to new ideas, especially when those new ideas would have the effect of broadening horizons rather than restricting them. I have had the sneaking suspicion that the Thunderbolts project is the product of a controlled opposition campaign to steer truthers away from discovering our true cosmology. I admit I was very intrigued by the electric universe concept when I came across that research back in 2011. When I discovered flat earth a few years later in 2015, the electric universe concept fit in flawlessly, minus the comet rocks and spheres. I was elated and excited, eager to learn more. Then I came across godgvlamste on youtube within this past year, where he explodes the crater earth concept. Still working on that one, but very compelling research that fits into flat earth cosmology quite seamlessly, though like all things that scratches the surface of truth, more questions than answers. The point in all of this is to keep an open mind. When there is excessive gatekeeping, even when new research brought forward enhances rather than restricts an idea, either the individual is still not ready for unadulterated truth through open minded research, or we have discovered a well coordinated psyop in progress. I suspect the latter with the Thunderbolts project.

I doubt Thunderbolts is a well coordinated psyop. I knew too many of these people over the years and how they went about their business and what they had to deal with in order to stay relevant. It was and is a wide ranging group of people and lots of ideas get kicked around. A great forum of people. However, Dave Talbott their leader, might have gotten some marching orders and funds and protection by some shady characters over the years in order to create a diversionary following, who knows?! He might not have been coerced, but instead was encouraged to charge ahead, as TPTB like to grease the skids of alternative views that end up in dead ends or at least far from the truth.

Maybe Velikovsky the Russian jewish immigrant was the gatekeeper, though he had some quite difficult times with the mainstream throughout his career. Curious how his radical theories never got him kicked out of his professorship. Did you know he dabbled in psychoanalysis and was one of the earliest practitioners in Israel? He sucked up to Einstein in a big way and wanted to become famous like him. He was kind of an incorrigible guy, the perennial withholding father figure. Almost single handedly he created the alt-planet story with all its catastrophes, electrical forces, and mythical allegories pointed to as long ago cosmic physical events. He also said our history was corrupt and set up a new B.C. chronology.

He threw a lot in our pathway and we are still digesting these subjects.

Perhaps Velikovsky also had some marching orders and some protection as part of the club, and was allowed to offer radical theories that perhaps don't lead to the truth, but who can say?! If you're a committed flat earther and this reality is what you really believe, then yes you'd have every reason to think these people were set out to deceive you, and have a fun time in the process! Though I think these people like Velikovsky and Dave Talbott (Vel's student) do believe in their theories. I don't think they are continually showboating and undermining people for the fun of it. They follow their head and their insights vigorously. They aren't being told to create a career of misinformation. I believe they are mostly being encouraged to go down certain roads they are already traveling. To TPTB, it doesn't matter what that road is, only that they believe it won't end up with too much truth telling.

All the world's a stage!
 
I doubt Thunderbolts is a well coordinated psyop. I knew too many of these people over the years and how they went about their business and what they had to deal with in order to stay relevant. It was and is a wide ranging group of people and lots of ideas get kicked around. A great forum of people. However, Dave Talbott their leader, might have gotten some marching orders and funds and protection by some shady characters over the years in order to create a diversionary following, who knows?! He might not have been coerced, but instead was encouraged to charge ahead, as TPTB like to grease the skids of alternative views that end up in dead ends or at least far from the truth.

Maybe Velikovsky the Russian jewish immigrant was the gatekeeper, though he had some quite difficult times with the mainstream throughout his career. Curious how his radical theories never got him kicked out of his professorship. Did you know he dabbled in psychoanalysis and was one of the earliest practitioners in Israel? He sucked up to Einstein in a big way and wanted to become famous like him. He was kind of an incorrigible guy, the perennial withholding father figure. Almost single handedly he created the alt-planet story with all its catastrophes, electrical forces, and mythical allegories pointed to as long ago cosmic physical events. He also said our history was corrupt and set up a new B.C. chronology.

He threw a lot in our pathway and we are still digesting these subjects.

Perhaps Velikovsky also had some marching orders and some protection as part of the club, and was allowed to offer radical theories that perhaps don't lead to the truth, but who can say?! If you're a committed flat earther and this reality is what you really believe, then yes you'd have every reason to think these people were set out to deceive you, and have a fun time in the process! Though I think these people like Velikovsky and Dave Talbott (Vel's student) do believe in their theories. I don't think they are continually showboating and undermining people for the fun of it. They follow their head and their insights vigorously. They aren't being told to create a career of misinformation. I believe they are mostly being encouraged to go down certain roads they are already traveling. To TPTB, it doesn't matter what that road is, only that they believe it won't end up with too much truth telling.

All the world's a stage!
I'm compelled by all of the research that has come to light, but I view the characters bringing forth said research with extreme caution. The truth is a tightrope that requires keen balance to navigate. It is a lonely journey, yet encounters many companions along the way. I look forward to the time where deception and misunderstanding is not the constant antagonist, though it has proven to be a great catalyst in my awakening, so I cannot say that I am not also grateful for it.
 
Ty for the replies, I do appreciate it, I am just trying to get information that isn't as easily found on search engines (wonder why).

So please don't get upset, but I have to ask, it seems as most are religious here, as in the biblical firmament talks here and there. Is that just a bad take on everything I have read or am I just taking it out of context? Again, honest question. Backing away slowly, as earlier questions have me labeled already. Just wanting to take part in a thread that has my interests and pick peoples brains.
 
Velikovsky did an excellent job of collecting all those ancient tribal records,myths,and legends . I read his books when they first appeared and I was a young brainwashed mainstreamer. I could never reconcile the parts of those histories where the earth stood still or even reversed the spin (Worlds in Collision) with our wonderful like clockwork solar system .

Later , after finding out everything I knew was bullshit , and coming to the scientifically based conclusion that the earth was stationary and most likely flat , I worked through that book again - fits perfectly within the FE model -and that's good info about comets and the dome , thanks.
I know he was a 4bi2, connected to the plagiarist Einstein. and thus a gatekeeper but they don't hide the truth - we just have to sort the wheat from the chaff so to speak.
Hey Grav , we have ancient vitrified granite forts in Bonnie Scotland too. Cause unknown. Fit's with your info about that comet.
 
we have ancient vitrified granite forts in Bonnie Scotland too. Cause unknown. Fit's with your info about that comet.

Two points have been raised.

1. As for why EU and Thunderbolts guys talk the talk, maybe the 3 p's: paychecks, pensions, prestige. Also too :) a preference for not pushing up pansies. That is, fear of having an unfortunate accidental death if too many beans are spilled.

2. vitrified granite? Are y'all familiar with Roger at Mudfossil University? He with the dull voice and feather pointer? He claims to have had rock samples tested which reveal dna.
I have a very pretty tile floor in one bathroom. It is mostly gray, with streaks of red and pink. It looks just like a cross-section of veins in tissue of a living being.

My conclusion: same ol' same ol' theory -- that reality is a computer program with the potential to have its code rewritten. From a time when Saturn was a giant sun ruling over a purple misty world. And there were giants in the earth. And trees that grew miles high. And Pyrrha and Deucalion, according to "ancient" Greek myth, threw rocks behind them to repopulate the earth after the Deluge.

2 (b) comets.
Maybe the major reset mechanism that transformed the sim world?
Are they part of the original code or bugs in the system?
Ty for the replies, I do appreciate it, I am just trying to get information that isn't as easily found on search engines (wonder why).

So please don't get upset, but I have to ask, it seems as most are religious here, as in the biblical firmament talks here and there. Is that just a bad take on everything I have read or am I just taking it out of context? Again, honest question. Backing away slowly, as earlier questions have me labeled already. Just wanting to take part in a thread that has my interests and pick peoples brains.

Most are religious?
I don't see that.
I am an atheist. I see Jesus as the philosophical archetype of the perfect soul. What is the soul? An electric bundle of consciousness.
 

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“This is called Quantum trapping/locking; so that an object can be sustained within the locked magnetic field. These magnetic fields act just like sound does; they create toroidal fields. Torus shapes/esoteric designs are found when observing these fields.. The Seed of Life is rooted within our magnetic field. These are precisely the ley lines in which all ancient cultures built their structures upon in order to harness the energy in our Ætherstream / Magnetic field..

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The sun (+) ⚡️& moon (-) 🧲 are suspended above dielectric inertial plane similar to how quantum locking of the electromagnetic fields work. The magnetic field can be locked at any altitude above the electromagnetic plate below, just as our dielectric inertial plane.
It was proved that accelerated motion of a linear dielectric causes it’s polarization. Acceleration of translational motion of dielectric’s plate leads to the positive charge of the surface facing the direction of motion. Metal plates of a capacitor were used to register polarized charges on a dielectric’s surface. Potential difference between the capacitor plates is proportional to acceleration, when acceleration is constant potential difference grows with the increase of a dielectric’s area, of its permittivity and is hardly dependent on a dielectric’s thickness..”
 
Thank you for your reply Grav, religious was simply a speculation due to the firmament theory of FE that I have always read as having religious roots. Thank you for confirming that it isn't just that main view that supports it.

As for my other question, why? I still see no benefit of lying about the earth being a globe versus being flat. Exploration is exploration, whether it be into space or beyond the wall that surrounds a FE. Something could be out there, or even right next to us. If accounting for Newtonian physics is faked through mathematical fakeries, it makes no sense that the pull of gravity 9.8 m/s/s is slightly (minimally) faster at the poles because we are not a globe per say but squished in at the poles, and the further down you go, that force increases. If there were no real pull called gravity, and we were a flat disc not moving at all, what would account for those numbers, short of just claiming they were made up?

I know, I could/should give links and substantiation evidence from reliable sources, but haven't really seen that much at all here without it being called out without support.

Look, I have studied physics for over a decade, take that as you will, have found Einstein and other mainstream academia to be utter shills when it comes to true information. But the math just doesn't add up for me. And in saying that is also why I press more and more, trying to come to a decision for myself on all of this.

The Electric Universe theory is definitely more founded than others, electrons definitely play a major role as well, the aether is slowly being found again, and none of it probably matters at all anyways sadly, but it would be nice to know before I've left this part of existence, what is real, and what isn't that we aren't told about.
 
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