Flat Earth

The earth is obviously motionless, yet 99% of people believe it spins and rolls around the sun. That's the extent of their cosmology. They trust their political parties, the education system, the medical industry, and all the credentialed "experts" in science.

Still waiting on irrefutable evidence of either globe or flat, or if we are even here at all. But until that time what you are saying is that 99% of people are ignorant because you are right.

Not offering up any 100% proof here, just opinions from what you have learned from books and the internet, as have many others. I dunno myself, but if 1+1 doesn't equal 2 then yes, physics and all fall flat, but then we wouldn't have television, radio, internet, computers. Simple kinematics can explain a lot about the world we live in, but again, if the math we have learned in school is wrong, then how does one actually explain things?

Maybe I'm just stirring the pot here, if so I apologize, just that opinions and guesses do not sate my curiosity at all. Because after watching "Behind The Curve" and watching them disprove theirselves was a but disappointing.
 
I dunno myself, but if 1+1 doesn't equal 2 then yes, physics and all fall flat, but then we wouldn't have television, radio, internet, computers.

Television, radio, internet, computers, jet aircrafts function even because the surface of the Earth is flat. You'd have no tv, no radio, no computers at all on a globe.

Because after watching "Behind The Curve" and watching them disprove theirselves was a but disappointing.

Bob Knodel's gyroscope measured the CORIOLIS EFFECT of the rotation of the ether drift, but not the rotation of the Earth, a huge difference.
 
I don't think it truly exists honestly. Every single person has their own vantage point, where they see things even just slightly different at times, to completely opposite. Our senses being similar, aren't the same.

Though complete access to everywhere, all data, information, histories, factual, technological. Could also help to shed more light and carry out any testing needed by a group of unbiased people. Though again, such a thing does not exist, actual people with the true knowledge, unbiased people. The whole thing is so fractured by history itself, those that ruled it, and those that wrote it. And no one person had all of the knowledge. Isn't that how people termed the word 'god' in the first place? Guess people always need to believe that someone knows it all.
You'd have no tv, no radio, no computers at all on a globe.

Just curious, but elaborate more please?


Bob Knodel's gyroscope measured the CORIOLIS EFFECT of the rotation of the ether drift, but not the rotation of the Earth, a huge difference.

Knowing of the ether, was it not proven to not exist? At least on a level that does not affect anything we can physically measure? But mostly, if the earth is flat, why would the ether drift like it was around a globe? Wouldnt it more swirl on a flat plane?
 
If you don't mind what would pass muster for you as irrefutable evidence?

Seeing is believing. So if you look up and the stars are not whizzing about at 666 miles an hour and the atmosphere is not like a hurricane due to the friction and finally, you and everything else on the surface hasn't been slung off into the vacuum of space...well only then would you have irrefutable proof.
 
Just curious, but elaborate more please?

740 messages, the best ever on FET:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.0
Covid-19 can only be understood in the context of FET. The emergence of the next (real) pandemic which will arrive as well from the atmosphere (cometary dust, comet Encke) has everything to do with FET. Right now, the biggest danger is the cross-reacting antibodies (HCoV-OC43 and Sars-Cov-2, where HCoV-OC43 is a simple cold) caused by the spike proteins in the vaccines.
 
I don't think it truly exists honestly.
Thank you.
Contained water presenting a level surface is truth that is observable, demonstrable, repeatable. No belief required.
Beyond that all bets are off.

Edit to add;
This property of water is proof the globe shape theory is a nonsense.
 
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Thank you.
Contained water presenting a level surface is truth that is observable, demonstrable, repeatable. No belief required.
Beyond that all bets are off.

Edit to add;
This property of water is proof the globe shape theory is a nonsense.

Now hold on. So you are saying that water doesn't curve at 8 inches per mile? And that we can measure that with a ruler or laser? 😛😋
 
Few scientists understand that Newton's law of "universal" gravitation is valid only for two separate objects found on the surface of the Earth. And then, it is due to the pressure exerted by the ether.

Newton's gravitational law cannot be applied to a situation where M = the mass of the Earth, and m = mass of a simple object. Why? Because Newton had to first prove that the Earth is a globe, which he never did. You cannot apply F = GMm/r^2 between two planets either: Newton had to first prove that the Earth is indeed rotating around its own axis, which he never did. He assumed that the Earth is a globe and that it is revolving around the Sun, without having any proof at his disposal.

The derivation of Newton's law of gravity using the ether pressure gradient:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2184253#msg2184253
The formula is identical to Newton's. It is ONLY valid for two objects found on the surface of the Earth. There is no attraction between the Earth and another body, or between two planets.

The greatest mathematician of the 19th century, the author of the most complex asymptotic expansion ever (Riemann-Siegel formula), absolutely was a brilliant physicist as well: he solved the mystery of terrestrial gravity in 1853.

Reviving Gravity's Aether in Einstein's Universe

B. Riemann stated in 1853 that "gravitational aether sinks toward massive objects where it is absorbed, at a rate proportional to their mass, and is then emitted into another spatial dimension".

Imagine this, as early as 1853, Riemann was mentioning the hyperspace of quantum entanglement.
Quantum Gravity is not a quantization of the spacetime coordinates, metric.....If this were the case, one would have had quantized the spacetime coordinates long ago. In String Theory, from the two-dim world sheet point of view , the spacetime coordinates are nothing but a finite number of scalar fields whose quantization is essentially trivial by selecting the conformal or orthonormal gauge. The same arguments applies with the ( linearized ) spin two graviton. Quantum Gravity it is something much deeper than the naive notion of coordinates and gravitons. It is something that doesn’t need any spacetime background nor metrics whatsoever. Morever, it involves something that disposes of the ill-conceived notion of having a fixed dimension. The classical spacetime that we perceive with our senses is just a long distance averaging effect associated with a quantum network of processeses of a deeper underlying Quantum Universe. To merge Quantum Mechanics with Relativity it is necessary to enlarge the Einsteinian view of Relativity to a New Relativity Principle.

Antimatter is not missing: it has always been right in front of the quantum physicists, who are just now beginning to understand that the unification of GR with QM requires Knot Theory, right-handed spin gravitons and left-handed spin antigravitons as closed loop strings.

Mainstream quantum physicists are starting to infer that positrons and preons do not annihilate each other:

New Approach to the Fine Structure of Matter and Space

http://www.cartesio-episteme.net/ep8/electron_positron_sea.pdf (The Cubic Lattice Solution section, page 6)

Antimatter = antigravity = antigravitons = laevorotatory positrons/subquarks.

Photons = bosons

Antibosons = antiphotons

Exclusive: This Wild Paper Suggests Gravity Is Just a Product of Quantum Mechanics

"In our proposal, space-time does not pre-exist, it is the result of a physical process by which the subquantum medium goes from a chaotic state to a more organised one."

This subquantum medium is something that Castro describes as "a kind of primordial foam from where space-time itself emerges".

Spacetime as an Emergent Phenomenon: A Possible Way to Explain Entanglement and the Tunnel Effect

The deepest connection between gravity and quantum entanglement:

“The universality of the gravitational interaction comes directly from the universality of entanglement- it is not possible to have stress-energy that doesn’t source the gravitational field because it is not possible to have degrees of freedom that don’t contribute to entanglement entropy.”

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1405.2933.pdf

Universality of Gravity from Entanglement

Fundamental physics started the 20th century with the twin revolutions of relativity and quantum mechanics, and much of the second half of the century was devoted to the construction of a theoretical structure unifying these radical ideas. Yet storm clouds are gathering, which point towards a new set of revolutions on the horizon in the 21st century. Space-time is doomed—how can it emerge from more primitive building blocks?

(N. Arkani-Hamed (IAS))

Spacetime is doomed. It, and its particles, cannot be fundamental in physical theory, but must emerge from a more fundamental theory. I review the converging evidence for this claim from physics and evolution, and then propose a new way to think of spacetime: as a data-compressing and error-correcting channel for information about fitness. I propose that a theory of conscious agents is a good candidate for the more fundamental theory to replace spacetime. Spacetime then appears as one kind of interface for communication between conscious agents.


Spacetime is doomed. There is no such thing as spacetime fundamentally in the actual underlying description of the laws of physics. That's very startling, because what physics is supposed to be about is describing things as they happen in space and time. So if there is no spacetime, it's not clear what physics is about.

Nima Arkani-Hamed (Cornell Messenger Lecture 2016)
Institute of Advanced Study, Princeton
 
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Antimatter is not missing: it has always been right in front of the quantum physicists, who are just now beginning to understand that the unification of GR with QM requires Knot Theory, right-handed spin gravitons and left-handed spin antigravitons as closed loop strings.

Antimatter? Gravitons?
Crap like this is why I almost never check out the Flat Earth's Society's site.
Antimatter and bosons and such theoretical gibberish militate against Ockham's admonition to avoid complicating a pure concept: "Entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily."

The ether, or aether, is electricity, or dielectricity. Positive and negative charges which are arranged (in a computer program maybe) to form matter, magnetism, radiation, intelligence, everything else that comprises reality. Your Knot Theory, haha good name, does exactly what Ockham warned against.

Covid is a another hoax. The medical industry obeys the CDC's orders to label other causes of death as CV19. Its real name is Certificate Of Vaccine IDentification.
Because the ruse was concocted years ago by Gates and cohort to use the toxic vaccine to depopulate the useless eaters and/or transhumanize the survivors.

That said, I do not mean to disparage your interprerations. In fact, I appreciate your input and hope you continue to post here.
 
Antimatter? Gravitons?
Crap like this is why I almost never check out the Flat Earth's Society's site.
Antimatter and bosons and such theoretical gibberish militate against Ockham's admonition to avoid complicating a pure concept: "Entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily."

The ether, or aether, is electricity, or dielectricity. Positive and negative charges which are arranged (in a computer program maybe) to form matter, magnetism, radiation, intelligence, everything else that comprises reality. Your Knot Theory, haha good name, does exactly what Ockham warned against.

Covid is a another hoax. The medical industry obeys the CDC's orders to label other causes of death as CV19. Its real name is Certificate Of Vaccine IDentification.
Because the ruse was concocted years ago by Gates and cohort to use the toxic vaccine to depopulate the useless eaters and/or transhumanize the survivors.

That said, I do not mean to disparage your interprerations. In fact, I appreciate your input and hope you continue to post here.

We all know that the FES is controlled opposition.
 
We all know that the FES is controlled opposition.
The problem with a thread like flat earth is that it has gotten so enormous, new readers are posting questions that have already been addressed, but these new readers are not going through the archives to see if the ground has already been covered. To all new readers: please go back to the beginning of this thread and read it through thoroughly. In this thread are countless videos, websites, channels and arguments that have addressed nearly everything there is to address regarding the earth's cosmology from both heliocentric and geocentric points of view. If, after scouring this valuable archive of data, you find your questions have still not been thoroughly addressed, then ask away. For starters, please check out
View: https://www.bitchute.com/video/XvAwLc7FZm2z/

This video outlines 200 proofs that earth is not a spinning ball. This is a great place to begin the process of comparison between what's been sold to us as science and science put into action with repeatable experiments that yield empirical results. There are obviously still many unanswered questions, and this is where the thread should continue, in my opinion, rather than on rehashing that which has already been thoroughly discussed. I'm only posting this caveat because I'm seeing the same information getting unnecessarily rehashed, muddying an otherwise decent archive of well documented research from both sides of the argument.
 
The problem with a thread like flat earth is that it has gotten so enormous, new readers are posting questions that have already been addressed, but these new readers are not going through the archives to see if the ground has already been covered. To all new readers: please go back to the beginning of this thread and read it through thoroughly. In this thread are countless videos, websites, channels and arguments that have addressed nearly everything there is to address regarding the earth's cosmology from both heliocentric and geocentric points of view. If, after scouring this valuable archive of data, you find your questions have still not been thoroughly addressed, then ask away. For starters, please check out
View: https://www.bitchute.com/video/XvAwLc7FZm2z/

This video outlines 200 proofs that earth is not a spinning ball. This is a great place to begin the process of comparison between what's been sold to us as science and science put into action with repeatable experiments that yield empirical results. There are obviously still many unanswered questions, and this is where the thread should continue, in my opinion, rather than on rehashing that which has already been thoroughly discussed. I'm only posting this caveat because I'm seeing the same information getting unnecessarily rehashed, muddying an otherwise decent archive of well documented research from both sides of the argument.


Hmm, I've said the same thing for 6 years.
Maybe there should be a Basic Flat Earth thread and one dedicated to advanced discussions by people who have done their homework. Newbies and potential shills could be gently redirected to the FE 101 thread.

@sandokhan, for example, has brought up status quo physics several times. I reject the Knot theory, the Atom theory, all the other gobbledygook that add garbage science to the elegant Electric Universe understanding.

But I do want to know what the opponents of FE are thinking. And we need to be able to debunk the tsunami of pseudoscience in cosmology and all the other forms of brainwashing.

I've been around forum rodeos for a good while. Most of them end up banning the topic altogether or closing threads.
SH is the first forum that welcomes robust debate without the drama from shills and groupthinkers who go ballistic when their globe is challenged.

I am amazed and delighted that so many independent thinkers have contributed to this thread. I had given up on free speech, figuring that the time had passed for honest discussions of alternative science.

Eric Dubay's free pdf is doubtlessly the best introduction to geocentrism.


http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/08/200-proofs-earth-is-not-spinning-ball.html
 
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Hmm, I've said the same thing for 6 years.
Maybe there should be a Basic Flat Earth thread and one dedicated to advanced discussions by people who have done their homework. Newbies and potential shills could be gently redirected to the FE 101 thread.

@sandokhan, for example, has brought up status quo physics several times. I reject the Knot theory, the Atom theory, all the other gobbledygook that add garbage science to the elegant Electric Universe understanding.

But I do want to know what the opponents of FE are thinking. And we need to be able to debunk the tsunami of pseudoscience in cosmology and all the other forms of brainwashing.

I've been around forum rodeos for a good while. Most of them end up banning the topic altogether or closing threads.
SH is the first forum that welcomes robust debate without the drama from shills and groupthinkers who go ballistic when their globe is challenged.

I am amazed and delighted that so many independent thinkers have contributed to this thread. I had given up on free speech, figuring that the time had passed for honest discussions of alternative science.

Eric Dubay's free pdf is doubtlessly the best introduction to geocentrism.


http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/08/200-proofs-earth-is-not-spinning-ball.html
I'd say at this point, the thread is fairly well caught up on what is available and out there and being looked at. There is a channeler on youtube that has mentioned doing a possible future session where he asks Ra or Pleiadians their take on true cosmology. I've yet to see this particular subject channeled, so it should be interesting to see if higher 5th and 6th density beings are willing to lend us a peek without infringing on free will. The new age scene seems to depend on the heliocentric model since the idea of higher beings in our realm absolutely "have" to be extraterrestrial. The crater earth model lends to the idea that outer space is just that, the outer space of the greater earth, of which our section occupies a relatively small area where our locally projected sun and moon governs our particular universe, it all being a giant electric projection--as above, so below. Can't say for certain until we are able to perfect remote viewing or book a ticket on the disclosure express. So much to learn about the realm we occupy, its history, its purpose. We seem to be at a unique point where we're finally learning how to ask better questions, the right ones, for a change. It is when we know the right questions to ask that we are finally ready for the answers, no matter how shocking the truth may prove to be. Will post that video if the channeler chooses to finally cover flat earth. Whatever anyone thinks about channeled material, until one actually reads a channeled work (such as "Law of One"), they will never know what they are missing out on! The proof is in the wisdom offered. Everything else is just details. It is great to have a forum like this to share with awakening minds!
 
Eric Dubay copied my explanation concerning the solar eclipse (Rahu/Fenrir), some years ago, long after I first had posted the information in my AFET. Ask Dubay to explain terrestrial gravitation, or to debunk the MMX. His 200 proofs are an introduction, perhaps, to the subject discussed here. He does not touch any of the advanced topics mentioned in AFET which is the state-of-the-art in flat earth theory.

@sandokhan, for example, has brought up status quo physics several times. I reject the Knot theory, the Atom theory, all the other gobbledygook that add garbage science to the elegant Electric Universe understanding.

You do not even understand what basic electricity is: you are relying on hertzian transversal waves.

Do you understand the difference between longitudinal electricity and transversal electricity?

Longitudinal electricity = ether = bosons/photons/neutrinos = non-hertzian waves

Transversal electricity = subquarks = ripples in the sea of ether

Do you understand the implications of Bell's theorem? The existence of the superluminal hyperspace, and of the ether.

So, there is a huge difference between conventional electrical theory and ether magnetricity.

At the core, electricity = ether/aether theory.

Knot theory = vortex theory (emissive and receptive), certainly not status-quo theory
 
Hmm, I've said the same thing for 6 years.
Maybe there should be a Basic Flat Earth thread and one dedicated to advanced discussions by people who have done their homework. Newbies and potential shills could be gently redirected to the FE 101 thread.

Thought I mentioned that before since you were the one that originally started this thread, would be great to have everything all together in one space instead of having to search through pages upon pages of a thread to see if the topic had been brought up.

Being serious here, would be a great starting point for those interested. Yes I ask questions, yes I ask for proofs, but shouldn't everyone be critical of everything now. Just because I press harder, does not mean I do not respect the views that others present.



Contained water presenting a level surface is truth that is observable, demonstrable, repeatable. No belief required.
Beyond that all bets are off.

As it does on a globe with gravity, because the level is always directed towards the center mass if gravity does exist as explained. So not reputable there in my opinion. The earth isn't a small globe, it's huge, making a seemingly long distance just a fraction of what is actually there. Doesn't explain this either.

pontchartrain.jpg


Now hold on. So you are saying that water doesn't curve at 8 inches per mile? And that we can measure that with a ruler or laser?

Can't we just make a 10 mile long level, put it across the surface of a body of water and see from there?

The Bedford level, laser gyroscope, hell even holding a light between point A and B showed that one side had to be raised up to see it at a distance, many others as well.




Because Newton had to first prove that the Earth is a globe, which he never did.

Think it was the ancient Greeks, a few thousand years before Newton that mentioned that the Earth was a globe, at least that is what history mentions. No need at that point to prove the point once again since it had already been a thing for a long time, Newtons donation was gravity itself, or at least his best explanation.

So a question, how does a compass work on a flat earth? North is always the middle, guessing some large magnetic object? But South doesn't make sense, if it always points to an ice wall surrounding us, then why must a compass needle need weighted specially for the southern hemisphere? Shouldn't it point towards the ice wall no matter what? And then if as I have read that there may be more continents beyond the ice wall, then wouldn't that make us the very center of whatever flat world we live upon?

Sometimes the world which we live upon does not make sense with all the historical aberrations that appear. So one must try and make sense of their surroundings, or just blindly follow along with narratives given. I just haven't had anything that clicks into place as of yet, but really have enjoyed reading KDs original SH and now the newer version for a long time, but sometimes one cannot just simply sit on the sidelines and must figure out for themselves what is right and what is wrong.

I respect everyone here and their opinions, so please don't let anything I say or ask deter you from a response, we are all civil beings of some sort or another.
 
Doesn't explain this either.

What is this? The fake Pontchartrain video was debunked a long time ago:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=73925.msg2017477#msg2017477
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=73925.msg2016747#msg2016747
So a question, how does a compass work on a flat earth? North is always the middle, guessing some large magnetic object? But South doesn't make sense, if it always points to an ice wall surrounding us, then why must a compass needle need weighted specially for the southern hemisphere?

No. That's the wrong map with the North Pole in the center. The best map, so far, is the global Piri Reis map:

Hawaiitpp.jpg

There might be an outer ice wall but it looks more like this:

CNR_BX5FysM.jpg
 
I'd say at this point, the thread is fairly well caught up on what is available and out there and being looked at. There is a channeler on youtube that has mentioned doing a possible future session where he asks Ra or Pleiadians their take on true cosmology. I've yet to see this particular subject channeled, so it should be interesting to see if higher 5th and 6th density beings are willing to lend us a peek without infringing on free will. The new age scene seems to depend on the heliocentric model since the idea of higher beings in our realm absolutely "have" to be extraterrestrial. The crater earth model lends to the idea that outer space is just that, the outer space of the greater earth, of which our section occupies a relatively small area where our locally projected sun and moon governs our particular universe, it all being a giant electric projection--as above, so below. Can't say for certain until we are able to perfect remote viewing or book a ticket on the disclosure express. So much to learn about the realm we occupy, its history, its purpose. We seem to be at a unique point where we're finally learning how to ask better questions, the right ones, for a change. It is when we know the right questions to ask that we are finally ready for the answers, no matter how shocking the truth may prove to be. Will post that video if the channeler chooses to finally cover flat earth. Whatever anyone thinks about channeled material, until one actually reads a channeled work (such as "Law of One"), they will never know what they are missing out on! The proof is in the wisdom offered. Everything else is just details. It is great to have a forum like this to share with awakening minds!

I've read The Law of One. As has David Wilcock, of course... It's not really much more revelatory than any other given channelled material, although the strained circumstances of its production are interesting in themselves (one might suggest these circumstances themselves make the material questionable).

Any form of clairvoyance, be it through hypnosis, remote viewing or astral travel can only be approached with extreme caution. You're never going to be sure of the purity of your information (if indeed, that is possible; in a demiurgic model, the angels are simply doing their bit for the status quo). As you suggest, though, channelling tends largely toward the negative when FE comes up. Just as it tends to excuse itself with possible time lines when called out for, oh I don't know, failing to anticipate the triggering of attempts to cull the global population.
 
Here is the image drawn by the ayahuasqueros of the Amazon region:

INCA_TREE_OF_LIFE.jpg

(taken from the Cosmic Serpent by Jeremy Narby)

Cosmology of the Desana tribe:

desanaworld_zps6l2jiopj.jpg

(notice, at the bottom of the image, the two heavenly bodies which are responsible for causing the lunar and solar eclipses)
 
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