Ireland as an example of old-world governance

[matematik]

Dear god.
This is what I was referring to!

Oh, apologies. I'm starting to get a bit overly defensive.

 

[feralimal]

Culture and nation are intrinsically linked, you can't have one without the other, and I mean "nation" in terms of a specific ethnic/cultural group, not a modern state/governmental construct. You seem to be advocating for some sort of borderless world with no concept of race and nationality, but do you really think different cultures and traditions would survive in such an environment? That borderless NWO with one globalist culture is the aim of the globalists, the likes of the City of London and the Royals. They care nothing for English patriotism, in fact they see it as something that needs to be stamped out.

Nation is a made up concept. Culture is the food you eat, language, customs, etc.

Think about the hobbits if you're familiar with the Hobbit. They had a culture but not a nation. There was no "Hobbitland". They just lived somewhere and did their thing. So, culture and nation are not intrinsically linked, but intentionally conflated, for the benefit of nation.

Who said anything about a borderless world? Do you think I am an advocate for the NWO? Lol.

If you are saying something like nations are worth attempting to defend, in the face of a planetary NWO that makes up crises to justify taking greater control over those they claim to rule over - ie a tactical, pragmatic move to prevent being steamrollered - I'd probably agree. But it would just be a small step. Individuals don't need greater collectivisation in any of its forms.

 

[asatiger1966]

Looks like the Irish resisted the empire until the 17th (or even 18th) Century, and the potato famine was created to destroy the remains of the old decentralized system of the tuath under British rule.

I propose the way the old world worked was like this:

- Single, united civilization on earth that was governed locally but connected globally. This united civilization later split apart after a cataclysmic event or war (maybe around 1300 AD)
- Afterwards, the local governance did not change, but the connection between the different countries wasn't as good as before, we see development of individual languages, etc.
- no central authority, kings had spiritual functions
- caste system, but fluid
- people were judged by accomplishment and ability
- no money, no banks, no parasitism
- this system, decentralized but united in spirit, could have been called the commonwealth of earth
- The parasitic PTB stole the name commonwealth but perverted everything in order to create a central authority that controls people and enslaves.
- It took a long time to overthrow the old kingdoms because due to their decentralized governance and focus on autonomy and freedom they couldn't simply kill their leaders, they had to slowly destroy the spirit of the entire people

What remains known about the Irish system implies that life in the pre-colonial times was glorious, and doing good things and working hard mattered, for people reaped the fruits of their own labor, and people knew how to resolve conflicts without resorting to a central authority. This implies a completely different approach towards life, and means that people were in touch with themselves, and the people around them. When there is no central arbitrary authority, relationships and life as a whole become meaningful.

The connections between people living together within a small community were like a very dense web, their lifes interwoven in a single destiny, and everyone dependent on everyone else, the biggest fear was being ostracised from the community, for that usually meant total loss of one's reputation and eventually suffering or death.

Irish law is almost wholly the produet of a professional class of jurists called brithim or brehons. Originally the Druids and later the filid or poets were the keepers of the law, but by historic times jurisprudence was the professional specialization of the brehons who often were members of hereditary brehonic families and enjoyed a social and legal status just below that of the kings. The brehons survived among the native lrish until the very end of a free Irish society in the early 17th century. They were particularly marked for persecution, along with the poets and historians, by the English authorities. The statutes of Kilkenny (1366) specifically forbade the English from resorting to the brehon's law, but they were still being mentioned in English documents of the early 17th ceniury.l61 The absence from the function of law-making of the Irish kings may seem startling. But Irish kings were not legisiators nor were they normally involved in the adjudication of disputes unless requested to do so by the litigants. A king was not a sovereign; he himself could be sued and a special brehon was assigned to hear cases to which the king was a party. He was subject to the law as any other freeman. The Irish polity, the tuath, was, one distinguished modem scholar put it, "the state in swaddling clothes". It existed only in "embryo". "There was no legislature, no bailiffs or police, no public enforcement of justice . . . there was no trace of Stateadministered justice". Certain mythological kings like Cormac mac Airt were reputed to be Iawgivms and judges, but turn out to be euhemerized Celtic deities. When the kings appear in the enforcement of justice, they do so through the system of suretyship which was utilized to guarantee the enforcement of contracts and the decisions of the brehon's courts. Or they appear as representatives of the assembly of freemen to contract on their behalf with other fuafha or churchmen. Irish law is essentially brehon's law-and the absence of the State in its creation and development is one of the chief reasons for its importance as an object of our scrutiny.

Conclusion and Summary

While a comprehensive survey of the Irish law of property and property rights cannot yet be written, we can already see that the idea of private ownership permeates those aspects of the law which have been subjected to recent study. The Irish frankly and openly used assessments of property as the criterion for determining a man's social and legal status, the extent of his capacity to act as a surety or compurgator, and to fix the amounts of compensation due hi as a victim of crime or any kind of injury. Ownership of land determined a man's status as free or unfree and his right to participate in the public assembly. The needs of the Church modified but did not alter the basic character of native Irish institutions and law. While it secured for itself almost total freedom from lay ownership and secular obligations, it was never able to fully destroy the essentially secular character of Irish law as exemplified in the laws on marriage and divorce. The legal capacity of women showed exceptional development and gave women property rights in the 8th century that were centuries ahead of those enjoyed by English women. The fact that lrish law was the creation of private individuals who were professional, even hereditary, jurists, gave to the law both a conservative yet flexible and equitable character. Their power rested upon the free consent of the community in choosing them as arbitrators in disputes; and this made equity and justice more likely than in royal courts where the interests of the State and its rulers are paramount. The invasion and conquest of Ireland, the work of over 400 years before it was completed, was eventually fatal to the Irish system of law snd the culture and civilization it expressed. The English State was incompatible with the Irish tuoth; the English common law was totally incompatible with the Irish law. Ireland from the 12th century was a single land in which two nations and two laws and two cultures engaged in a constant struggle for survival. The end came in the early 17th century with the flight bf the last Irish kings from Ulster and the new plantation of that region by Protestant Scots sent by James I-that most absolute of English Kings. As for the native Irish and their ancient culture, the English official Sir John Davies thought he said it all: "For if we consider the Nature of the Irish Customes, we shall finde that the people that doeth use them, must of necessitie bee Rebelles to all good Government, destroy the commonwealth wherein they live. and bring Barbarisme and desolation upon the richest and most fruitful land of the world.'

https://mises.org/library/property-rights-celtic-irish-law-0

In fact, the most glaring cause of the famine was not a plant disease, but England's long-running political hegemony over Ireland. The English conquered Ireland, several times, and took ownership of vast agricultural territory. Large chunks of land were given to Englishmen.

These landowners in turn hired farmers to manage their holdings. The managers then rented small plots to the local population in return for labor and cash crops. Competition for land resulted in high rents and smaller plots, thereby squeezing the Irish to subsistence and providing a large financial drain on the economy.

Land tenancy can be efficient, but the Irish had no rights to the land they worked or any improvements they might make. Only in areas dominated by Protestants did tenant farmers have any rights over their capital improvements. With the landlords largely residing in England, there was no one to conduct systematic capital improvements.

The Irish suffered from many famines under English rule. Like a boxer with both arms tied behind his back, the Irish could only stand and absorb blow after blow. It took the "many circumstances" of English policy to create the knockout punch and ultimate answer to the Irish question.

https://mises.org/library/what-caused-irish-potato-famine-0

Each túath was a self contained unit, with its own executive, assembly, courts system and defence force. Túatha were grouped together into confederations for mutual defence. There was a hierarchy of túatha statuses, depending on geographical position and connection to the ruling dynasties of the region.[3] The organisation of túatha is covered to a great extent within the Brehon laws, Irish laws written down in the 7th century, also known as the Fénechas.[4]

The old Irish political system was altered during and after the Elizabethan conquest, being gradually replaced by a system of baronies and counties under the new colonial system. Due to a loss of knowledge, there has been some confusion regarding old territorial units in Ireland, mainly between trícha céta and túatha, which in some cases seem to be overlapping units, and in others, different measurements altogether.[5] The trícha céta were primarily for reckoning military units; specifically, the number of fighting forces a particular population could rally.[2] Some scholars equate the túath with the modern parish, whereas others equate it with the barony. This partly depends on how the territory was first incorporated into the county system. In cases where surrender and regrant was the method, the match between the old túath and the modern barony is reasonably equivalent. Whereas in cases like Ulster, which involved large scale colonisation and confiscation of land, the shape of the original divisions is not always clear or recoverable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Túath

The Druids were the offspring of the Gentry that arrived in Ireland about 1,450 BC. They came in a grey cloud that hung over the Island for over three days. When the sun came the Gentry were on the ground in their colored round floating houses that spun around and around.

The Gentry interacted with the locals and taught them farming, science, laws, machinery,and everything needed to build a civilized cultured world. They had many cities on the island along with colonies in Europe.

There was a large tribe, many cities, in what now is London area. The tribe was black, tall, cannibals and not trustworthy. The Gentry met them and convinced them to stop the cannibalism and they did for a while. After a year or two they started eating people again.

The gentry killed most of them and the rest moved to the opposite side of the channel.

 

[tobyahnah]

I suppose it could not have been like that.
The catholic church claims to have a hold on Ireland for 1500 years (St. Patrick).

well they claim a lot.

a LOT? They claim everything!
Abilene, Texas, as an example, was incorporated and established as a trail head for shipping cattle out to the big cities. This was after the order of Abilene, Kansas.
Every property Title in Abilene, Tx., every Deed, was issued by the town Clerk first to the Catholic Church. Why?
The Church had previously claimed it and therefore they owned it.
Plus, they had several armies to back it up. In fact all armies.
The Planet Earth was colonised, in this go round, by the Catholic church acting with the might of Portugal, Spain, England, France and Holland Navy's in conjunction with the Navy of Rome (Vatican City).
During the colonization Rome, Vatican City, the Church, played off each colonizer against the others as it suited the purpose of the Church. Rapaciousness describes it best.
They did this in WW2 having diplomatic couriers, secret agents too, for Stalin, Churchill and Roosevelt at the same time.
They still do today with the Vatican Diplomat in every Capital city, named after Capitoline Hill in Rome, being the Chief Diplomat of the Diplomat Corps, or group of diplomats, of that city and of the whole world.
Pontiff Maximus: Chief Bridge Builder/Chief Diplomat.
Ireland is reputed to have been the resting place for the Bible, the Book, of multiple books including the 66 now in the KJV, for several centuries as the Bible was kept alive through the dark ages and the middle ages by Clerics, or Clerks, later to be priests. Supposedly - it was the pagan Celts, educated, scribes who transliterated or translated the original scriptures, book of books from many scribes and man ages, for all tongues.
I thank the Celts.
Disclosure: I have an Irish bloodline in the Pac family dating to the 1700's.
The Catholics can kiss my ... rose. So can the Irish. A rose by any other name...
Interesting how the adage/law/commandment 'Love of money is the root of all evil' lives on in the Catholic Church while the Protestant Church is slowly absorbed back into the fold, the cloak, of the Church of Rome!
There are a horrendous lot of intentional mis-translations in the Bible, whichever one you like, whether the fault of Irish scribes or others, but the adage regarding the 'love of money', and 'interest', or 'usury', is rock solid dead on. It survives because it had to. Some others too, like: Ps. 68:4 or Jer. 23:26, 27. These are scripts that know priest will touch with a long pole. Both compelling and condemning at once. So many other truths are upside down or even backwards but this one... cuts to the chase and cuts all bonds put on it. "Usury, the charging of interest, is the root of all evil."
Other truths live on within the pages of the Bible but pick and choose with care. I am just quoting but with a lifetime of experience to validate it.
The Irish saved this book, the Bible, from utter ruin by Rome. Then Rome, as they always do, used one of their chattel Crowns to punish Ireland and turn it into a democracy, demon crazy, bunch of cultists.
Some may depend on COVID to take down the evil empire and everything else with it. Some may depend on God to do that same when God, or god, is the architect of it.
I say Yahweh will take care of his own!
You will know the days are short when Rome is burning to the ground.
When Damascus gets nuked.
When two billion are dead but the slaughter continues.
Then look for your redemption on high.
In the meantime; those who remember the past, clearly, are the most likely to survive the future!

 

[Citezenship]

The Catholics can kiss my ... rose.

I think you mean, Kiss my rosebud, although that may excited them!

 

[tobyahnah]

The Catholics can kiss my ... rose.

I think you mean, Kiss my rosebud, although that may excited them!

I get the humor but, would hesitate to ascribe the same immorality to the Irish, well maybe a few, as to the Romans.
There is not much negative you can say about the Irish except, well their whiskey is a little weak, but, that they got snookered by the English who have been in bed with Rome since at least Edward the Confessor: idiot that He was.
Yes, I would tell him to his face.

There is a maxim which says: 'A man without a woman is like a ship without a port.' Everyone, men and women, seem to like that one.
The flip side? Not so much: 'A woman without a man is like a ship without a rudder.' Rome, the Church, is described as a woman without a man.
There is a deep religious, linguistic secret therein to let percolate a while. For men and women.
So it is with all of these churches. Gadzillions of them. And the govs they are in bed with.
They all follow Rome to perdition. Hopefully.
I have more hope for Ireland than most countries. With what they have learned from tyrants, in the potato famine and emigration debacle(s) particularly, they should be able to withstand any storm including the weather they are under and will be for the next 33yrs.
Fundamentally, I believe we have all of the data we need.
What we need are sharper glasses to see through.
No doubt; Stolen History.net and .org are on the cutting edge of the past and future. What comes next is up to the members.

 

[Citezenship]

I get the humor but, would hesitate to ascribe the same immorality to the Irish, well maybe a few,

It was me trying to point out the roman proclivity for the rosebud,
a desire for anal intercourse and sexual contact with the genitalia of the young.

I did not mean to offend, please accept my humble apology!

 

[tobyahnah]

I get the humor but, would hesitate to ascribe the same immorality to the Irish, well maybe a few,

It was me trying to point out the roman proclivity for the rosebud,
a desire for anal intercourse and sexual contact with the genitalia of the young.

I did not mean to offend, please accept my humble apology!

I got it. No offense.
Homosexuality is a self perpetuating perversion which goes against common sense let alone creativity. Nonetheless, it appears bored humans, especially in closed up cloisters, have a penchant for it. Catholics being the most notorious.
To me that just indicates 'they' are not 'practicing' anything to become proficient at it. They are just doing what inanity they have been taught to gain acceptance.
We are not targeting Catholics here, or Jews, Protestants, Hindi, etc. because in all cloistered areas there are aberrations.
We are just pointing out that such aberrant behaviour exists and it intereferes with serious discourse and discovery of Truth. Define Truth.
People can do what they like and I can leave the room too. As I often do.
In any and every case the servant is obedient to the master by design. This is most incorporated in religion and less so in commerce which is directed by religion and therefore already in play and in force.
From either a religious, political or historical approach it is notable how little credit Ireland gets for its part in retaining renderings which would be lost without their, the-ir, the Irish, energy.
Is there a more maligned group, class, religion on earth than those of Eire?
Not only do I have the Irish of the Pacs but the Irish and Scottish of the Mc/Macs of whom I shall not say.
It has been exposed that there is no known origin, aside from the Bible tale, of the modern human. Including all races. How can that be?
I think we are being punked! Or puked!

People can do what they want including 'murder'. That is what free moral agency allows, and, we do have that.
However, if any part of a plant is perverted the odds are that the plant will die. So goes, also, for political or religious states.

 

[matematik]

Is there a more maligned group, class, religion on earth than those of Eire?

I'd say the English give them strong competition for that title in 2021. Even the St. George's Cross is considered a racist banner, whereas no one would say the Irish flag was such a banner. British/English history has also recently been declared by Oxford to be "worse than the Nazis".

Actually, today the English are much more maligned than the Irish, it's not even a competition. No doubt even saying this will make many people angry, which rather proves the point I think.

 

[tobyahnah]

Is there a more maligned group, class, religion on earth than those of Eire?

I'd say the English give them strong competition for that title in 2021. Even the St. George's Cross is considered a racist banner, whereas no one would say the Irish flag was such a banner. British/English history has also recently been declared by Oxford to be "worse than the Nazis".

Actually, today the English are much more maligned than the Irish, it's not even a competition. No doubt even saying this will make many people angry, which rather proves the point I think.

I could go on a tear with that but suffice to say that the St. George Cross is by no means racist. Or prejudiced. Not at all.
That particular Cross, shared by the Pope, the Templars, the Swiss, the Red Cross, the British Colonies, and so many others, terrifies all equally. For a couple of thousand years anyway.
I suspect that George himself was the director of the death of Tartaryah and so much more that we could fill volumes.
Oh, I forgot, we are right here on Stolen History!

 

[Curved Pluto]

I would like to link a book that has collaboration with the OP and with what Blue Ice stated.

Irish Wisdom Conor Mac Dari : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

I don't agree with everything he says in the book, but its hard to agree with everything anyone says or writes, especially as new things are constantly coming to light in history and science. One just has to use a little discernment to pull the truth from the lies and he does have a few good truths locked away in his book.

Also, I found this kind of interesting to note about the Irish

Ancient bones reveal Irish are not Celts after all (irishcentral.com)

And as far as loving ones country, I think it is excellent to love ones country. That does not mean I love everything about the country I live in, the U.S.A.; but I do love my country and my heritage. It's good to love. It's good to have some pride in ones nation and history as long as that pride doesn't lead to hated or evil actions. Just like it is good to have some discrimination as long as that discrimination doesn't lead to hate or sinful actions. Every country and/or race has had atrocities done to them and done them themselves. I'll stop there.

 

[matematik]

Is there a more maligned group, class, religion on earth than those of Eire?

I'd say the English give them strong competition for that title in 2021. Even the St. George's Cross is considered a racist banner, whereas no one would say the Irish flag was such a banner. British/English history has also recently been declared by Oxford to be "worse than the Nazis".

Actually, today the English are much more maligned than the Irish, it's not even a competition. No doubt even saying this will make many people angry, which rather proves the point I think.

I could go on a tear with that but suffice to say that the St. George Cross is by no means racist. Or prejudiced. Not at all.
That particular Cross, shared by the Pope, the Templars, the Swiss, the Red Cross, the British Colonies, and so many others, terrifies all equally. For a couple of thousand years anyway.
I suspect that George himself was the director of the death of Tartaryah and so much more that we could fill volumes.
Oh, I forgot, we are right here on Stolen History!

I know the symbol of the St. George's Cross is not maligned in general, or even specifically English, but it is certainly maligned when used as a symbol of English patriotism. You would almost never see the St. George's Cross flown in any official capacity anywhere in England (outside of football any way), but in Scotland, Wales and Ireland they fly their own flags freely, as they should be able to.

The St. George's Cross in Britain definitely has a strongly negative stigma as being a "racist chav" sort of thing, I think people would tend to make a lot of negative assumptions about people who display a St. George's Cross in England which they wouldn't for other national flags.

 

[matematik]

I guess you will resent me saying it, but it has always seemed to me that the British are under particular attack by the "powers that be". Even with this current "pandemic" a disproportionate amount of the focus seems to be on Britain, like how the British are being vaccinated at a much faster rate than anywhere else in Europe, and how many of the "new strains" are being supposedly discovered in Britain and many countries are blaming their pandemics on the "British/English strain", and also all the controversy over AstraZeneca, the so called "British vaccine".

Maybe I am being overly Anglo-centric and not seeing the bigger picture, but the words "Britain" and "England" do seem to appear an awful lot in things related to this "pandemic". Britain is obviously the seat of the royal family and also City of London, so arguably the de facto seat of the NWO, so perhaps that is an explanation for why the "powers that be" would have an interest in asserting spiritual control over the population of this country?

Also, I've noticed that in Spain many houses have these decorative iron bars on the windows, especially in more rural areas. I always assumed that it was just an old fashioned form of security, but having read your post I wonder now whether the origin of the practice is more spiritual?

 

[Mosaic]

I found an interesting website about the Irish Holocaust from 1845-1850 including free ebook on the subject:

Only when you, the Diaspora and the Proud Irish Men & Women,
spread the truth of what really happened during that terrible time
in Ireland's history of 1845-1850 and seek recognition and justice,
only when you STAND UP for the truth, can the 5+ Million
souls who perished, truly Rest In Peace.

PERFECT HOLOCAUST BOOK

Ireland in 1845-1850 was essentially, entirely owned by English landlords, many of them Lords temporal or spiritual, in estates typically of tens of thousands of acres. Their land titles were conquest-based. On these estates the Irish were tenants-at-will on holdings of typically three to eight acres the rent of which they paid by, typically, 250-260 days of unpaid work annually on the landlord’s estate. In previous centuries the Irish, under British rule, were non-persons, stripped of legal personhood. As murder requires personhood: the Irish were thus legally killable by any English person at will. Education was prohibited by law. No army of English seasonal migrants produced Ireland’s vast and varied food crops. Other than the landlords’ support groups of Church of Ireland (Anglican) clergy, his doctors, lawyers, newspaper owners, the military and officers of police, the bureaucracy, etc., all of Ireland’s agricultural production was performed by the Irish people. In and around 1845-1850, Ireland was a police State: 1,590 police stations (averaging 48 stations per county each with 8 policemen, a separate Revenue Police (1,200), Castle Police (spies, 100), and Dublin Metropolitan Police (1,100). Each county had one landlord-led militia regiment, but Dublin, Mayo, and Limerick had two each, and Cork had three. Ireland’s abundant meats, livestock, and other foods, though produced by the Irish were claimed by the landlords. Upon international failure of potato crops, Ireland’s failure starting in 1845, Ireland’s food producers fiercely resisted police and militia efforts to remove it to the ports for export. Regular army deployments into Ireland increased to 34 regiments in 1845 and to 40 in 1850. “Black ‘47” was the food removers’ most active year. Deployment lag time explains the 1848 peak of 35.4 regiment/years. More than half of Britain’s standing army removed Ireland’s foods; 67 regiments of its total of 126 regiments and two brigades. For reference, this was more military force than was used during Britain’s conquest of the Indian Subcontinent (today’s India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh). On July 5, 1847, in the depths of the Irish genocide, Lord Clarendon wrote from his Vice-Regal Lodge in Phoenix Park to Prime Minister Lord Russell; “Sir Edward Blakeney says that the Country is tranquil and if it were not for the harassing duty of escorting provisions, the troops would have little to do.” The (London) Times’ contemporaneous reports of increased landings of Irish food in English ports are accessible in detail on-line. The genocidal mass evictions and robbery of crops continued until the Land League, Boycott, and international outrage forced England to buy out its landlords from Ireland in 1900-1920. The vast estates were “striped” into typically 28-acre survival farms with an acre or two of the nearest bog for fuel and allocated to the Irish cultivators of the soil. So munificent; so far above market price, was that “golden handshake” to the departing landlords that the amortization period was set at 68.5 years. Thus my (Chris Fogarty) father and all of our neighbors in Co. Roscommon and obviously the rest of Ireland, were paying off that old “debt” into the 1970s. Ireland’s farmers paid semi-annual Rates (taxes) and those “Rents.” Ireland’s centuries of imposed destitution ended upon the end of that “Rent” payment. In 1932 Ireland’s Fianna Fail gov’t under Taoiseach Eamon de Valera withheld the annual £4 million rent to London. Britain retaliated with an embargo on Irish goods, but it faded approaching WW2. The use of massive armed force to starve Ireland belies the exculpatory “famine” and its synonyms “great hunger/gorta mor.” “Genocide” is accurate, but no Irish person had ever used it; it was coined post-WW2 by Raphael Lemkin to educate the US Congress as to Nazis crimes against Jews. An appropriately inculpatory label was used to report events in Ireland starting in 1846. Writers Davitt, Fitzgerald, et al. and the Cork Examiner (now Irish Examiner) repeatedly reported it as a Holocaust. “Famine to Freedom” film is a recent concealment of the Holocaust and the British army’s perpetration of it. Its academic producers pretended to not recognize the grain-harvesting reaping hook (sickle) they excavated in Ballykilcline, Strokestown. Their “potato famine” film ignores the following non-potato food processors of 1845-1850 Ireland: 1,935 grain mills, 1,984 grain kilns, 555 flour mills, 948 livestock pounds, 144 tuck mills, 136 grain-using breweries and 72 distilleries, 62 threshers (though most was done by flail), 45 woolen mills (mutton and lamb), 43 windmills, butter churning mills, sheep folds, pig markets, corn markets, bacon stores, etc. All was removed at gunpoint and exported. THE IRISH HOLOCAUST

Probably we are not dealing with "800 years of English oppression/attempted genocide" but with a targeted action in the 19th century in which everything was wiped out.

In any case, I find it remarkable that the British used more military force during the Irish "famine crisis" than during the conquest of the Indian subcontinent.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gU-b1nSXOc

 

[Deleted member 1432]

Probably we are not dealing with "800 years of English oppression/attempted genocide" but with a targeted action in the 19th century in which everything was wiped out.

Targeted against whom? Everyone everywhere? Are you basing that assumption upon what happened in Ireland during a four year period?

In any case, I find it remarkable that the British used more military force during the Irish "famine crisis" than during the conquest of the Indian subcontinent.

Exactly - so how many troops would it require for "a targeted action in the 19th century in which everything was wiped out"? Also, would it have wiped out everything except the troops?

The historical evidence for the "800 years of English oppression" is overwhelming and began with the English traitor Cromwell and then continued with William of Orange - the puppet king of the Dutch Jewish Financiers, who established the Bank of England and the National Debt - which, unlike the Irish one, has never been repaid.

 

[matematik]

The historical evidence for the "800 years of English oppression" is overwhelming

Evidence of Irish Catholic mass murder of Protestants is overwhelming too, if you want to play that game.

 

[dreamtime]

The historical evidence for the "800 years of English oppression" is overwhelming and began with William of Orange, the puppet king of the Dutch Jewish Financiers, who established the Bank of England and the National Debt - which, unlike the Irish one, has never been repaid.

So according to the official history, the English oppressed the Irish for hundreds of years. By 1550 the British ruled over the Irish in every aspect, but only in 1798 with the Irish Rebellion did the Irish fight back? This seems suspicious.

 

[Deleted member 1432]

This seems suspicious.

...suspicious? So what do you think they were really up to then?

Year(s)	Location(s)	Conflict	Organiser(s)
1534	Lordship of Ireland (Dublin)	Silken Thomas Rebellion	FitzGeralds of Kildare
1569–73	Kingdom of Ireland (Province of Munster)	First Desmond Rebellion	FitzGeralds of Desmond and allied clans
1579–83	Kingdom of Ireland (Provinces of Munster and Leinster)	Second Desmond Rebellion	FitzGeralds of Desmond and allied clans
1593–1603	Kingdom of Ireland	Nine Years' War	Hugh Ó Neill, Hugh Ó Donnell and allied clans
1608	Kingdom of Ireland (County Donegal)	O'Doherty's rebellion	Sir Cahir O'Doherty
1641	Kingdom of Ireland	Irish Rebellion of 1641	Phelim Ó Neill, Rory Ó Moore, Conor Maguire, Hugh Óg MacMahon
1642–52	Kingdom of Ireland	Irish Confederate Wars	Irish Catholic Confederation
1689–91	Kingdom of Ireland	Williamite War	Jacobites under James II of England
1798	Kingdom of Ireland	Irish Rebellion of 1798	Society of United Irishmen
1799–1803	Kingdom of Ireland, United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland (County Wicklow)	Michael Dwyer's Guerrilla campaign	Michael Dwyer and his followers (Society of United Irishmen)

Source

 

[dreamtime]

...suspicious? So what do you think they were really up to then?

Currently I am not entirely sure, I am just asking questions. Why did it take the Irish 250 years to start an uprising? Do you think thats plausible?

 

[Deleted member 1432]

Why did it take the Irish 250 years to start an uprising? Do you think thats plausible?

Did you see the table listing the 10 Irish uprisings and wars during that period in my previous comment?

If not it's here: List of Irish uprisings - Wikipedia