SH Archive New York Armories: what were they?

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Some of the below pictures make me want to visit 1890-1910 New York, for it had to be a sight to behold. A few days ago this thread was published. In the process there were so many pictures of other armories, that putting this article together was a no brainer.
  • Some of these armories do look like castles, don't they?
NY State Armories
At this very moment I do not know whether other states had such an abundance of armories similar to the one New York had. It is probably hard to obtain the exact number of these NY structures ever in existence. There are a few lists available for examination, but who can vouch for their completeness?

In this thread I wanted to demonstrate what we are dealing with here. This is not even a question of whether New Yorkers could build all those between approximately 1875 and 1925. With New York being the most populous state in the US in 1900, it does appear that they had an adequate work force to get those armories built. Were we to factor in all other buildings erected in New York within the allotted time span... I am not going to, but you are more then welcome to share your opinion on the matter. Essentially, I do not know whether New York workforce and logistics were adequate to the task.
What I do question, is the design and intended purpose of the structures in question. At the same time, things do appear to be on par (qualitiwise) with Prisons, Post-Offices, Asylums and alike.

An Armory
An armory is a military or civilian location for the storage of arms and ammunition. But our armories are mostly National Guard establishments, and therefore the definition changes quite a bit:
  • A National Guard Armory is any one of numerous buildings of the U.S. National Guard where a unit trains, meets, and parades. A readiness center supports the training, administration, and logistics of National Guard units by providing assembly space, classrooms, weapons and protective personal equipment storage, and training space. Readiness centers can also be utilized as communal assembly areas, utilized by local organizations and governments.
Let us take a look at, let's say five New York Armories.

#1: 9th Regiment Armory
The cornerstone was laid on December 18, 1894. The massive structure, costing approximately $297,000, rose at 125 West 14th Street--a medieval fortress of rough-cut granite. Crenelated towers, loops (the narrow openings for shooting arrows from inside), and arched entrances gave a solidly monumental quality to the building. With 40-inch thick walls, it was built to withstand attack. The colossal iron entrance doors were iron were ornamented with scrollwork.
14th street armory.jpg

#2: 8th Regiment Armory
I do not have any valuable information pertaining to this specific building. It's architect was John R. Thomas, and that's about all I could find
8th reg.jpg

#3: 14th Regiment Armory
The cornerstone of the building was laid on December 6, 1894, when the building was nearly complete. The building was substantially complete on August 15, 1895. Twelve days later, the Fourteenth Regiment moved into the new armory building. In 1900, Horgan & Slattery added a new floor and added mezzanine pilings at a cost of $30,000. Six years later, further improvements to the interior were performed for $35,600.
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#4: 69th Regiment Armory
On April 23, 1904 the cornerstone was laid with impressive ceremonies. Irish-Americans were rightfully conspicuous in full force. The two stands erected at the corner of 25th Street and Lexington Avenue were decorated with Irish and American flags. The regiment and its guests were escorted by the Ancient Order of Hibernians and approximately 200 members of the Friendly Sons of St. Patrick were among the first to arrive. Joseph I. C. Clarke composed a poem for the occasion “The Gallant Sixty-ninth,” and the Irish-theme of the event was consummated when Major Gen. McMahon presented the silver trowel to Mayor McClellan with which he laid the cornerstone.

Two and a half years later, on October 6, 1906, the building was completed and dedicated. The Times called it “a handsome and commodious building” and noted that the drill hall was the largest in the city. Impressive military pomp accompanied the ceremonies, including a parade from the old armory at Tompkins’ Market and the presentation of the battle flags.
69th regiment armory 1905 ca.jpg
This here is allegedly a drill hall, but... was it designed for a blimp? It sure looks like a hangar for those.

NewYorkCity_LexingtonAvenue_DrillHall.jpg

#5: 12th Regiment Armory
The 12th Regiment armory had been located on Longacre Square (later renamed Times Square), where Manhattan’s carriage-making industry was centered. But by the early 1880s the rapidly-developing Upper West Side required an armory. A plot encompassing 22 city lots on Ninth Avenue (now Columbus Avenue) from 61st to 62nd Streets was purchased and in April 1885 ground was broken.
  • City armories at the time were as much about architectural drama as they were military function. Architect James E. Ware designed the rising structure as a medieval fortress replete with towers, loopholes, and a high tower “in which will be portholes commanding all the streets and avenues in the vicinity,” promised The New York Times.
  • Five months after construction began, the cornerstone was laid on September 19, 1885. The Times reported “Military men in resplendent uniforms, gray-haired civilians, content with the badges worn in younger days; Freemasons behind their aprons, and Mr. Rollin M. Squire in a new silk hat and a pair of faultless trousers,” met at the site to participate in the ceremony. The first speaker was, deservedly, Daniel Butterfield, now a General.
  • Ware’s plans included a 175 by 200 foot drill room with a glass and iron ceiling 45 feet above the floor. There was a Board of Officers’ Room (called by the Tribune “one of the finest in the building), a meeting room, offices for the Colonel, Adjutant and Quartermaster, a “band room,” and 10 company “apartments.” The single wood used throughout the interior would be ash.
Invading enemies would be well advised to steer clear of the 12th Regiment Armory. The Times reported “Along the edge of the roof of the drill room will run a parapet walk guarded by a stone wall nine feet high. Seventy portholes are to be built in this wall…This will be the only armory in the United States that will be practicably defensible from the inside. The building will be of granite and brick, the former to be used only on the first floor.”
12th regiment armory.jpg

The $750,000 structure was completed in April 1887. Before the 12th Regiment moved in, a glittering reception was held on April 21. Unfortunately, the National Guard was better at fighting battles than at planning social events. Invitations went out to far more people than could be accommodated.
  • The following day the New-York Tribune was irate at the outrageous turn of events. “The people who were asked to the 12th Regiment’s reception last night came near being invited to a riot. Thousands of invitations were sent out, it is said, but after about 3000 people were admitted to the armory, the rest were kept out at the point of the bayonet.”
WELFTH_REGIMENT_ARMORY._61ST_STREET,_NEAR_COLUMBUS_AVENUE.jpg
Here is #6 as a bonus. Two in one, so to speak: 1894 & 1906: 71st Regiment Armory Buildings in NYC

Survivors
New York City’s historic armories can be seen all around the city, and are currently used for all kinds of purposes in addition to some that retain their original function. They were built between the 18th and 20th centuries for New York State volunteer militia, serving as storage of arms and housing. These monumental fortresses were meant to remind the public of the military’s might and ability to maintain domestic law. Thankfully for us, the militia took great care in designing their fortresses and we have been left with remarkable armories that remind us of an important time in our city’s history. Some still function as National Guard posts, but many have been repurposed since the mid-20th century.


KD: Isn't it amazing that everything was so beautifully executed. No matter what type of structure we talk about, be it a cathedral, armory, post office, capitol, asylum, you name it... they made it look beautiful.

But... what the heck did they need so many armories looking like that? I tried to count individual armories in the below list, but after losing count a few times I abanoned the idea.
What world did those people live in, that they needed 40-inch thick walls downtown NYC? Half of the surrounding buildings were taller than these armories. What was the purpose of having walls that thick when you are covered from higher ground?

And than we have stuff like this of course - The following day the New-York Tribune was irate at the outrageous turn of events. “The people who were asked to the 12th Regiment’s reception last night came near being invited to a riot. Thousands of invitations were sent out, it is said, but after about 3000 people were admitted to the armory, the rest were kept out at the point of the bayonet.” - are they for real with this event recollection? How exciting was an armory opening?

This is a thread dedicated to no specific armory, so if you have one you want to share, please do.

Anywho, please speak up if you have anything to say.
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Username: AnthemOfChao
Date: 2020-03-05 03:44:06
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Definitely an interesting point to bring up. Humans rarely do things for no reason, there was an architect, a planner, a budget group, all involved in building these and they decided that 40 inch walls were what was needed and worth the money. So there's definitely a purpose to it.
Perhaps it was as a warning to foreign powers as NY was growing as a national and international hub? A way of showing that there will have to be a fight to claim and hold the land?

I agree with you on the Hangar one. Looking at the internal pictures, if it was for a drill hall you'd want it pretty on the inside as well as the out as drill events tend to get publicity. The only time I've ever seen the skeletal inside like that were hangars I worked at with the Marines. Were you able to find a scale of the exact building size? Perhaps we could compare that to sizes known for air ships of the time frame : Hindenburg, ect?
 
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Username: Bosco15
Date: 2020-03-05 09:34:17
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What an astounding fact, that New York needed so many fortified buildings.
Great thread.
I question the reported history of these buildings and their purported use.
The 69th Regiment armory, (the hangar) said to have been built 1904-1906, clearly shows signs of being buried in mud flood event.
 
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Username: MagnusOpus
Date: 2020-03-05 15:42:10
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Interesting buildings.......I'm not sure how relevant it is, but there is a similar style, but much smaller barracks near to me, it was built in 1880s, it was originally the grandstand of a racecourse before being rebuilt into a barracks....I guess the military like their castle styled buildings.....

Whittington Barracks - Wikipedia

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Username: DanfromMN
Date: 2020-03-06 03:19:17
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So... Ok. Okokok. We haaaaave, CAPITOL buildings, Hospitals/Insane Asylums, PRISONS (check out Philadelphia prisons if you get an inkling... St cloud state prison in Minnesota is a big pill to swallow too) and now armories.

My question is this: How much longer until enough people realize that were being lied to and ask for the truth?

We're being lied to. Id like to know the truth about this stuff. I mean... Come-on. Iowa Capitol buil...

Ok. If I start on a rant about this stuff I'll be here for days. I'll work up a post.
 
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Username: Bison Bison
Date: 2020-03-06 15:04:06
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23rd Regiment Bedford-Atlantic Armory is one that is still up - it's close to Kingston-Throop Subway Station. Crowns Height, Brooklyn. Used to pass it by every so often. It is currently used a shelter for the homeless. It looks really out of place in the neighborhood.

23rd Regiment Armory.jpg

And here's one from my own borough - 8th regiment Kingsbridge Armory in the Bronx

Kinsbridge Armory.jpg

If someone had told me blimps were constructed here I wouldn't have thought twice about it.

Kingsbridge_Road_station_with_armory.jpg
 
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Username: conductor
Date: 2020-03-07 21:35:33
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I have driven by the Whitehall, NY armory numerous times. Whitehall is a small town 3 hours north of NYC and this building always seemed out of place to me.

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It was used by the National Guard many years ago. In 2011 it was sold by the town at auction. It was re-purposed (again) into an....athletic club.
www.whitehallathleticclub.com
Apparently it is on the market again. Asking price is $465,000. Maybe we should crowd fund this thing and create a SH World Headquarters! Ha!
Athletic club up for sale - Manchester Newspapers

I wonder if she still has secrets to reveal, or if during the various renovations any clues to the true purpose were removed.
 
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Username: EUAFU
Date: 2020-03-08 18:44:36
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This type of construction is not really from the period they say. There is no chance of being. Look, I don't know what happened in the world, but it was something ... I don't even know what to write.
 
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Username: ZenAtman
Date: 2020-03-08 20:34:34
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Here's one in New Orleans. In a really strange spot as well

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Username: Energy
Date: 2020-03-28 02:52:52
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Main Street Armory
Rochester, NY
Built 1905

Main Street Armory - Wikipedia

The Main Street Armory is a multi-purpose arena located at 900 East Main Street in Rochester, New York. The Armory was built in 1905 by the United States Army and used for the training and processing of soldiers. Its main arena also hosted several non-military events, including high school basketball, circuses, and auto shows prior to the mid-1950s. In 1990, the New York National Guard left the facility, leaving it vacant and allowing it to fall into disrepair. It was purchased and renovated in the mid-2000s with the intention of refurbishing the Armory's main arena to hold events once again. The building opened for this purpose on February 3, 2007.

 
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Username: DanfromMN
Date: 2020-04-04 10:17:29
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I'd be willing to bet that the ... ahem... foundations... of these buildings are extensive and massive.

Like, regular buildings with mud covering the bottom floor or two
 
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Username: igneous
Date: 2020-05-25 13:56:35
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I currently live two blocks from this one:
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When I was born, I lived two blocks away from this building. Built in 1891, it sits squat on the edge of the town center, hulking and massive.

In between birth and now, I was in the military and had occasion to go into the armory. I wanted to explore and was not allowed to. However! The Sergeant (who thought I was cute) took me two basement levels down to their bar. All I remember is it was at the end of a long hallway . . . the whole bar was rich wood and the tiles were brightly colored. I remember thinking it was all so fancy.

I can do a deeper dive into the Poughkeepsie Armory if there is interest! I'm still dying to get inside; it's a Hispanic Church now.
 
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Username: DanfromMN
Date: 2020-05-25 22:56:56
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Let's hear it!
Minnesota armories are a thing too.
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