SH Archive Pope is a Liar: #6 The Impossible Map of Pirro Ligorio

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I have a few projects to accomplish in my backyard. Gonna be somewhat busy for a few days. I will update this thread when done with house projects. Meanwhile wanted to suggest our forum members to scrutinize the below 16th century map.

• Plan of Ancient Rome: Speculum Romanae Magnificentiae
• Map Author: Pirro Ligorio (1513-1583)

In my opinion this map demonstrates that Ancient Rome and Holy Roman Empire occupy the same time frame.

Larger: 3,781 × 2,837 pixels

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Hint: It can be either one time period, or the other.

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[Wildfire2000]

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The Colosseum is shown to be perfect, standing at the same time as the Pantheon and the St Peter Cathedral in the Vatican. Mmm.

 

[codis]

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Date: 2019-09-04 12:43:06
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The map would make sense if one renames "Re-naissance" to "Naissance".

 

[KD Archive]

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The Colosseum is shown to be perfect, standing at the same time as the Pantheon and the St Peter Cathedral in the Vatican. Mmm.

You are on the right path there. There is more.

 

[wild heretic]

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Date: 2019-09-05 13:34:56
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The Colosseum is shown to be perfect, standing at the same time as the Pantheon and the St Peter Cathedral in the Vatican. Mmm.

That's just what I was about to say. I was always suspicious of those illustration from that time period saying this was what the 15th or 16th century author thought ancient Rome looked like lol.

Speaking of which, I was looking at old Rome pictures last year and remember narrowing the time the Colosseum got wrecked was some time in the late 16th century.

 

[Mabzynn]

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Another color version and less text:

Urbis Rome, totius olim orbis domitricis situs cum adbut extantibus, sacrosant uetus tatis monumentis / Pyrrho Ligorio | Gallica



Antique Urbis Romae imago... / descripta a Pyrrho Ligorio,... | Gallica

And another:

Antique Urbis Romae imago... / descripta a Pyrrho Ligorio,... | Gallica

There are versions available from other authors that show a half devastated Rome though:

Publisher: Mathei Florimi formis Publication date: 1500-1599

Novissima urbis Romae descriptio | Gallica

However, this was my favorite. It shows the pyramid structures near the Vatican.

Du Perac, Étienne (1525?-1601).

Urbis Romae Sciographia ex antiquis monumentis accuratiss[ime] delineata, Karolo IX galliarum regi christianissimo Stephanus du Perac parisiensis... excudebat Romae Io. Iacob. de Rubeis | Gallica

 

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Pyrrho Ligorio was his name so used him in Gibiru searches. Discovered he was a Vatican architect and was employed by Cardinals and Popes, what a shock, not really.
Did find this though which seems to elate to the op image Old, antique map - bird's-eye view of ancient Rome by Braun and Hogenberg | Sanderus Antique Maps

Old map - bird's-eye view of ancient Rome by Braun and Hogenberg.

Engraving reprinted from Urbis Romae totius olim orbis domitricis situs ... P. Ligorio Inventor. Pirro Ligorio first published the map in Rome in 1552, then in a smaller format in 1553. His plate, made in 1570, was printed unchanged by Braun & Hogenberg; it was reprinted several times during the 17th and 18th centuries, including in David Köhler's Descriptio orbis antiqui, published in Nuremberg by Christoph Weigel c. 1720.

TRANSLATION OF CAPTION: Layout of the city of Rome with the remains of the old monuments as they can still be seen today, drawn by Pyrrhus Ligorius of Naples. Rome 1570.

COMMENTARY BY BRAUN: "The city of Rome, famed all over the world, is also the queen, the head and the embellishment of the whole world, situated on the River Tiber, built by Romulus in the 11th year of the rule of Ezekiel, the king of Judah, and given the name Rome by him. According to Pliny, this city had 30 open gates and seven closed ones. Rome also has seven hills, the Capitol is the main hill, on which was found the famous temple of the great heathen god Jupiter, which surpassed all the marvellous works of the Egyptians. Between the city and the Tiber is the Field of Mars, adorned with wonderful buildings."

Date of the first edition: 1575
Date of this map: 1623

 

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Date: 2019-11-13 16:15:34
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Duh, they're the same thing. I've known that since being a child in church.
Threw an extra 1000 years or so on the calendar to try and obfuscate their dirty deeds.
SSDD
I wonder if whatever did their cities was the same as what did our cities over here...
Just LATER...
Got some insights reading SETH about a past culture that sounded like it could be the missing link. Not sure it's applicable HERE though. Perhaps I'll share LATER.

 

[HollyHoly]

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something Ive been realizing that what we are is told is consecutive is actually concurrent, So what we think are Gothic ,Classical, etc Mayan and so forth are all contemporaneous empires. or something like that.
around the 1800s(?) "The UnHoly Roman Empire" meditized all the royal houses of the world.....Meditized Imperial States Of the Holy Roman Empire < !SHTF, NEW WORLD ORDER!

Between 1803 and 1806, the vast majority of the states of the Holy Roman Empire were mediatized by Napoleon. These states lost their Reichsunmittelbarkeit ("imperial immediacy") and became part of other states. The number of states was reduced from about three hundred to about thirty. Mediatization went along with secularization: the abolition of most of the ecclesiastic states. The legal basis for mediatization was the Reichsdeputationshauptschluss of 1803, which had become necessary under pressure from France. The Treaty of the Confederation of the Rhine of 1806 continued the process of mediatization. The constitution of the German Confederation of 1815 confirmed the mediatization, but gave certain rights to the mediatized princes, such as first instance jurisdiction.

The dissolution of the Holy Roman Empire meant that anyone who was previously a directly subject to the authority of the Emperor ceased to be subject to any superior authority. In practice, however, not everyone survived as sovereign into the new legal order that emerged in 1806. Of those who were immediate in the Empire, some became sovereign; the others became subjects of someone else: they were mediatized. Most mediatizations took place in July 1806 as a consequence of the formation of the Confederation of the Rhine. Within the area covered by the Confederation, those who became full-fledged members of the Confederation became full-fledged members of the international community as sovereign entities. A few other mediatizations were carried out by Napoleon between 1806 and 1813, and were not reversed by the Congress of Vienna. The exact process of mediatization was delineated by articles 25-33 of the treaty founding the Confederation. Although the mediatized families did not acquire sovereignty and lost some of their powers (legislation, final jurisdiction, control over police and military conscription, right to levy taxes), they kept their private estates and feudal rights, including lower jurisdiction in civil and criminal cases, jurisdiction over local policing, forests, hunting and fishing rights, mining rights, etc. Mediatized princes continued to be subject to a special jurisdiction in criminal matters, their estates were free from confiscation, and some of their liabilities were taken over by their new sovereigns. They were free to settle anywhere within the territory of the Confederation.

this affected all royals houses the world over if you start studying this site you find Emperors and various sovereigns in Africa ,South America ,India ,China, Vietnam all over Asia ,it was like agree to meditize or face extinction ,some are now extinct.
the remaining ones are now big corporate juggernauts in banking and shipping and mining, building and whatnot ,just clearing houses divying up the corpse.
Royal progeny all get a cut,you get nothing you're a serf