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Username: MinLo66
Date: 2018-11-05 04:28:57
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The education system is a great way to divide the generations. We are taught erroneous information as well as things our parents didn't know. And then the next generation is taught differently. Now they have common core math which I always figured was so parents couldn't help their children with their homework; making the children more trusting of the state over their "dumb" parents. So this article isn't really proof of anything more than that, in my opinion. Just that a large portion of the population believed what the Bible taught instead of what the schools was teaching.

I have had the exact same opinion as you about Common Core math. My daughter is subconsciously rebelling against the sheer nonsense of it in 2nd grade this year. Her teacher hates me because I had the audacity to express my opinion about the math itself AND her sending my daughter to the guidance counselor about it.
Different generations are taught different things probably to strengthen the divide between child and parent and, as you suggested, cause the child to lose trust and respect for idiot parent while trust and respect for The Nanny State grows.
I am really screwed on this one because when my daughter was born i was 45. So you can only imagine what kind of dumb ass I will turn out to be by the time they are thru with her LOL

 

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Username: MeNTaLMoNKeY
Date: 2018-11-05 18:41:51
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Someone mentioned on reddit the other day that they were taught our blood is blue without oxygen which I was taught as well. The latter is probably an example of something they were taught when they were younger, because it always related to how your blood would look in space, but it wasn't in the curriculum necessarily.

My understanding of this is that it's the iron in our blood that makes it red. There are some lifeforms that have copper in their blood instead of iron, and their blood is blue. I heard about this a while back as there was some sort of fish that was getting harvested into the brink of extinction as their blue blood was being used as some sort of medicine or something. I can't seem to find it, but there's tons of info if you search about animals with blue blood. Here's a small list of insects and crustaceans and such with blue blood: Animals with Blue-colored Blood

On topic, I remember a number of instances when I was in grade school where I'd be talking to my parents about what I learned that day and their reaction was along the lines of it being incorrect and they had learned something completely different when they were in school many many years prior (both my parents were quite old by the time I came to be). I chalked it up to them being stupid, and/or those who educate the educators had improved upon their knowledge. This happened at least a handful of times, but for the life of me I can't remember a specific topic or item that I learned differently than my parents. I wish I could; it would be quite interesting to see what knowledge they changed on us during my childhood.

All of these newspaper articles are very interesting. I had no idea that the shape of the earth was disputed so recently and was under the assumption that everyone "knew" since at least the 1400's or so that it was round. At a minimum I never would have thought that it was anything less than a complete majority concensus. Apparently not. Very, very interesting.

Re: the Sagnac experiment, ironically it seems that the results of that experiment disappeared into the ether. Haha. Coming from an IT background, up until about a couple years ago when I started re-learning about the world around me, I thought the phrase about something disappearing into the ether was some weird way of saying something went missing in an ethernet network.

 

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Username: Paracelsus
Date: 2018-11-06 07:20:55
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Interesting. A little too late for April Fools. It makes sense, though, because you still had an older generation that wasn't forced into the (re)education system. Compulsory education began in the United States in 1852, starting with Massachusetts. The last state was Mississippi in 1918. I am unable to find when Minnesota enacted it but I'll try to keep looking. What I would really be interested in is finding the teachers curriculum for different years. Or even to get the ones from the '90s for my own school. I remember learning about "Arctica" one year and then it sort of disappeared and most people forgot about it. I've come to realize that most people do not have great memories, and people like us probably have better memories.

Someone mentioned on reddit the other day that they were taught our blood is blue without oxygen which I was taught as well. The latter is probably an example of something they were taught when they were younger, because it always related to how your blood would look in space, but it wasn't in the curriculum necessarily.

The education system is a great way to divide the generations. We are taught erroneous information as well as things our parents didn't know. And then the next generation is taught differently. Now they have common core math which I always figured was so parents couldn't help their children with their homework; making the children more trusting of the state over their "dumb" parents. So this article isn't really proof of anything more than that, in my opinion. Just that a large portion of the population believed what the Bible taught instead of what the schools was teaching.

Getting into the whole Berenstein/Berenstain thing now, alright!

Personally, I don't remember covering geography too often in elementary school. I happened to go to the elementary school that was right below Red Rocks Ampitheater. The emphasis was mostly placed on mathematics, reading, general science, geology, and astronomy. The Arctic and Antarctic was rarely if ever brought up. My elementary was fanatical about standardized testing and student evaluation though. The Iowa Test of Basic Skills was the bane of my existence.

I'll give that school credit, it had one hell of a library! There was a great illustrated YA book on Arthurian legend, it went into Uther Pendragon and the Red and White dragons battling under the foundation of Tintagel. There was also a large illustrated version of The Hobbit that I started reading back in third grade. Admittedly, I lacked the patience to read the story yet and mostly fixated on the pictures.

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My understanding of this is that it's the iron in our blood that makes it red. There are some lifeforms that have copper in their blood instead of iron, and their blood is blue. I heard about this a while back as there was some sort of fish that was getting harvested into the brink of extinction as their blue blood was being used as some sort of medicine or something. I can't seem to find it, but there's tons of info if you search about animals with blue blood. Here's a small list of insects and crustaceans and such with blue blood: Animals with Blue-colored Blood

On topic, I remember a number of instances when I was in grade school where I'd be talking to my parents about what I learned that day and their reaction was along the lines of it being incorrect and they had learned something completely different when they were in school many many years prior (both my parents were quite old by the time I came to be). I chalked it up to them being stupid, and/or those who educate the educators had improved upon their knowledge. This happened at least a handful of times, but for the life of me I can't remember a specific topic or item that I learned differently than my parents. I wish I could; it would be quite interesting to see what knowledge they changed on us during my childhood.

All of these newspaper articles are very interesting. I had no idea that the shape of the earth was disputed so recently and was under the assumption that everyone "knew" since at least the 1400's or so that it was round. At a minimum I never would have thought that it was anything less than a complete majority concensus. Apparently not. Very, very interesting.

Re: the Sagnac experiment, ironically it seems that the results of that experiment disappeared into the ether. Haha. Coming from an IT background, up until about a couple years ago when I started re-learning about the world around me, I thought the phrase about something disappearing into the ether was some weird way of saying something went missing in an ethernet network.

Being a former firefighter I have seen copious amounts of blood. Venous bleeds, massive aterial bleeds, you name it! When it comes to human beings and every critter I've ever seen, it comes out red. The larger the quantity the darker the hue.

One car accident in particular I came upon the most violent ejection and roll-over scene in my career. Underneath the guys' head was easily a 2 liter pool of the most deeply colored crimson blood. The thing that was most surprising was the overpowering rust smell from oxidizing heme-iron.

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Found the same thing at nasa.gov.
NASA Technical Reports Server (NTRS) - Vanguard measurements give pear-shaped component of earth's figure
Of course, we must ask permission in the form of a document inquiry form to see the full article.

Then there is this:
Vanguard's Legacy

Still no pic of the earth taken from Vanquard, but we do get this:

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Vanguard I satellite.

So, we can get an image of the Vanguard satellite orbiting earth, but no pic of earth taken by the Vanguard satellite?
What took this "picture" then?
Only part of earth in frame, but I'm not sure I see a pear shape here.


Oooh, here's another pic of Vanguard orbiting earth:

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The Oldest Satellite in Space Showed the Earth isn't Round but "Pear-Shaped"

I think there was a vid that was, "Originally a public domain film from NASA", but it has since been removed. That's not suspiscious at all.
Vanguard 1 1958 NASA

Ha! Look at these "pics" side-by-side.

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Earth is the same, same land mass, same cloud formations. I guess (and I'm really giving the non-existent benefit of the doubt here) that these pics could have been taken from the same moment in time, but from different angles by 2 different cameras. (giggles)
Scratch that. Whatever took the second pic would be visible in the first pic.
Why is Vanguard silver in the first pic and gold or bronze in the second?

What land mass is that anyway?

What has always struck me as curious about "satellite photographs" of earth is that the perimeter of the earth terminates so abruptly. Like it was taken with a pinhole camera and the blackness of space is the lens aperture instead of the "blackness of space."

I'd also like to find NASA's explanation of the scale of altitude to land mass in their pictures. If they have the scale of apparent magnitude of stars to their corresponding size. They damn well better throw out some height of satellite to some known point for triangulation.

 

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Username: Moriarty
Date: 2018-11-08 00:19:21
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Is the wikipedia article saying the name Arctica wasnt even coined in English until 1996??

I knew about Arctica from my schooling in England in the 70s

 

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Username: WildFire2000
Date: 2018-11-08 00:48:01
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Early in my schooling I also was told of Arctica vs Antarctica, couple years later it ended up being the Arctic Circle and the Antarctic Circles. I was in elementary school in the '80's.

 

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Username: Searching
Date: 2018-11-08 01:35:45
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I knew about Arctica from my schooling in England in the 70s

Early in my schooling I also was told of Arctica vs Antarctica, couple years later it ended up being the Arctic Circle and the Antarctic Circles. I was in elementary school in the '80's.

I learned about the Arctic and Antarctic, too. I was in elementary school in the mid 80's.

 

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Username: PrincepAugus
Date: 2018-11-08 04:41:41
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You guys are lucky. I've never heard of it till now. It's always been the typical northern Artic and southern Antarctica for me.

 

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Date: 2019-02-05 18:01:14
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I vaguely remember being taught about the Arctic and the Arctic circle in elementary school during the 80s as well

 

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Username: BrokenAgate
Date: 2019-02-13 18:37:00
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Ah, yes, Arctica, the northern continent that has disappeared in this reality. Where else would we expect Santa Claus to live, anyway? He can't very well set up shop on a slab of ice. There must have been a continent, or at least a large island, at the north pole at one time, or we wouldn't have this very old, and very odd, sort of indirect reference to it.

The articles mentioning the shape of Earth are very interesting. I thought the planet's shape was "settled science" a long time ago! I mean, even the Greeks were working it out ages ago...or so we are told. Could have been a few hundred years ago, a few thousand, who the hell really knows. Maybe it isn't really a ball shape? Or it's a different shape at different times for different ages of mankind, depending on what it is we need to increase our spiritual awakening. I dunno, it's just really weird. I feel like we're not even living on a physical planet anymore. What shape is the world in World of Warcraft? It isn't any shape, because it exists on something like 10 million computers. In that sense, it stretches into infinity, even though the characters in it walk around on the same land masses every day.

 

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Username: JustWow
Date: 2019-02-18 13:10:55
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Some interesting articles here:

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This one below is from 1905, Mt. Sterling KY Advocate:

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October 2, 1917, Evening Ledger, Philadelphia. This one is savage:

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1954!

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1929:

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From the Buffalo News, October 17, 1953. We were STILL trying to convince people the earth is round.

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Elmira, NY 1930 and we again are still trying to prove the round earth:

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I'll stop there, but wow I could go on for pages and pages. It does appear that round earth is the latest greatest conspiracy...

That probably explains why it was so important to show the whole world the so called picture of earth from Apollo on it's supposed trip to the moon. At that point you have silenced everyone! Brillant! Who could have imagined the deception right before their eyes?

 

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Username: Moriarty
Date: 2019-02-18 14:57:05
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Early in my schooling I also was told of Arctica vs Antarctica, couple years later it ended up being the Arctic Circle and the Antarctic Circles. I was in elementary school in the '80's.

Also do you remember that on a globe there was snow and ice at the top and the bottom. Now there is only snow and ice at the bottom. Even on old globes..... Weird

 

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Date: 2019-02-18 17:27:14
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I do, and, are we talking Mandela Effect now too? Or does that have its own thread?

 

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Username: Moriarty
Date: 2019-02-18 23:42:07
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I do, and, are we talking Mandela Effect now too? Or does that have its own thread?

Well I guess that may fall under that. I dunno. I am confused by it all

 

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Date: 2019-06-15 16:01:17
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What I find interesting about this whole thing is that tptb are sure to lock the concept of a "flat earth" to a concept of "non-rotation". You never hear of rotating flat or stationary round earth.

What that second ether experiment suggests to me is that regardless of the shape of the earth, it is non rotating. This, I feel, is a critical obfuscation.

When looking at atmospheric radiant electric power it starts to seem like all large pyramid structures are power generators, like giant Tesla coils. And every temple or city had antenna of different lengths associated with the frequency of the power they needed to pull out of the ether. Probably dependent on what they were powering. This could have lit every city and powered every vehicle wirelessly, like Tesla spoke of in his patents.

It's possible we are in a causality bubble that reflects reality back at us fractally. Which would really place us closer to convex than anything, though more of a quantum magnetic state than a physical one at all.

Sorry, derailing myself here. Anyway, fascinating stuff.

 

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Date: 2019-06-15 18:38:18
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I recently read an original copy of 'The Earth is not a Globe' by Samula rowbotham published back in 1881. I got the impression from how he discussed the subject that is was still considered reasonable to discuss it by ordinary people, but not by the establishment. It would be similiar to how we talk about global warming today - the establishment have one view which they are trying to impose on everyone, whilst ordinary people still question it, including citizen scientists rather than establishment ones. Rowbotham talks like Piers Corbyn or David Bellamy do today, dismissing the round earth theory as nonsense being pushed by the establishment against all common sense and actual scientific observation just like the CO2 myth is today. He gave many lectures on the topic which were very well received at the time by the general public, lots of positive reviews printed in the back of the book. He was ridiculed by establishment scientists of course, just as many are today for daring to question 'agreed' upon science.

 

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Username: Red Bird
Date: 2019-06-15 22:53:41
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It’s strikes you that that is exactly how they got the word out that the new thing is the earth is a globe. In all the local papers it starts the same- some teacher/scientist say the earth is round/evolution, whatever, and there’s a fight against it, then the new side starts growing.
Hegelian dialectic seems to work on us over and over.

 

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Date: 2019-06-16 01:42:20
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It’s strikes you that that is exactly how they got the word out that the new thing is the earth is a globe. In all the local papers it starts the same- some teacher/scientist say the earth is round/evolution, whatever, and there’s a fight against it, then the new side starts growing.
Hegelian dialectic seems to work on us over and over.

Kind of like Trump recently saying that if Russian interests wanted to give him money for an election, he'd take it. He puts the subject out there in a seeming off-hand and irreverent way. The press jumps on it and the subject gets legs. Then later, the subject leads to attention on members of the previous administration having taken hot foreign money for an election effort.

You've got to bring up the subject in order to kick it around and redirect it to a different interpretation. If you own the press, you use this problem (people believe in a flat earth), react by giving it sensational media attention, then provide the solution (spherical earth) as the informed opinion of those in the know. Hegelian dialectic works every time!

 

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Date: 2019-10-02 20:27:14
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What shape is the world in World of Warcraft? It isn't any shape, because it exists on something like 10 million computers. In that sense, it stretches into infinity, even though the characters in it walk around on the same land masses every day.

I found this statement very interesting. I have lately been thinking about humans as computers. It would make sense that we rendered reality as we went along.

 

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I found this statement very interesting. I have lately been thinking about humans as computers. It would make sense that we rendered reality as we went along.

This actually explains the double slit experiment showing wave/particle duality. Basically if we render reality as we go along then it all makes sense:

Scenario 1 - We don't check which slit the photons go through so we only have to render the result into reality, which is a wave interference pattern. This is still the case even when we fire one photon at a time, also works for electrons, because we just simulate the result of all the photons hitting the screen, we don't have to render the individual path of each photon.

Scenario 2 - We check which slit the photon goes through. Now we have to render the path of each individual photon into our reality through one of the slits, which then creates a 2 column pattern as would be expected for particles.

So, the photon doesn't alter between being a particle and a wave, it is our rendering of reality which makes it appear as one or the other depending on how much detail we go into!

 

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This thread is fascinating . How easy it must be for those in control of the media to form your "truth" for you. Seems that globe isn't as old as we are taught.

I've noticed that the globe earth image seems to be part of the scenery in countless TV dramas here in the UK . Check out those dramas involving police and detectives . Bloody globes in the offices of all police departments apparently . Sad I know , but I may have to count how many times I see that damn globe but that would mean spending a day watching the idiot box .

Good excuse for sitting on me arse drinking beer though . In fact it sounds a reasonable way to carry out some research .