"Tartaria" is a myth and didn't exist

[Razor2299]

If Tartaria did exist, the most probable scenario seems to me that it was the Russian Slavs who destroyed it in their Eastward expansion/empire building. It's also interesting that the regions of modern day China with the highest levels of authoritarianism and controls, Tibet and Xinjiang, correspond to the regions that used to be part of Tartaria. This makes me more inclined to think what has happened to those regions is part of a cover up.

I personally believe that Tartaria is just a misspelled Tataria, which means "the land of Tatars", or Mongols.

It is known that Russian tzar Ivan the Terrible commisioned Russian cossacks to conquer Siberia, which was known as Tataria (or Tartaria):

These Cossacks elected Yermak as the leader of their armed forces, and in 1582 Yermak set out with an army of 840 to attack the Khanate of Sibir. On October 26, 1582, Yermak and his soldiers overthrew Kuchum Khan's Tatar empire at Qashliq in a battle that marked the "conquest of Siberia.

There is a painting by Vasiliy Surikov from 1895 that depicts this event. As you see, Tatars (Tartars) are far from advanced civilization, if we can believe this painting. But it is interesting to study it anyway.

this is the link to more material:
Meet Yermak, the guy who conquered Siberia

 

[EUAFU]

In Portuguese, at least here in Brazil, Tartar means Hell and is also a sauce that contains Onion, Carrot, Garlic, Tomato, Red Pepper, Green Pepper, Salt, and Parsley.

 

[TimHonks]

I believe that other nations worked with Russia to finally eliminate Grand Tartary. And then they re-wrote history accordingly.

That is what I took away from the one post on Napoleon and Tsar Alexander (The two of them on the same coin as well as Napoleon skipping St. Petersburg and going for Moscow). I remember another post from KD that was trying to connect Prester John to Tibet/Nepal rather than Ethiopia. I realize probably most people who know about Tartaria at this point haven't scoured through all those threads but I had thought the narrative to be that they were some descendants of Noah emanating outwards from 'Shangri-La'.

 

[Persister]

That is what I took away from the one post on Napoleon and Tsar Alexander (The two of them on the same coin as well as Napoleon skipping St. Petersburg and going for Moscow). I remember another post from KD that was trying to connect Prester John to Tibet/Nepal rather than Ethiopia. I realize probably most people who know about Tartaria at this point haven't scoured through all those threads but I had thought the narrative to be that they were some descendants of Noah emanating outwards from 'Shangri-La'.

Yes, TimHonks. Russia (St. Petersburg was built because of Grand Tartary's strength at Russia's southern border) was not strong enough to attack Grand Tartary (Tartary controlled Moscow). They needed multiple nations to do it. Napoleon was a shill for The Edomites. So, it wouldn't be a surprise that France would have assisted The Russians. But which other nations supported Russia in their effort? It would have taken a lot of power to eliminate Grand Tartary. This causes me to think about how The Edomites got multiple nations to finally eliminate a very strong and nationalist Germany.

What are you trying to say about a Shangri-La? My research has shown me that The Adam, Aryans, were in a more confined area of the earth (The Tarim Basin of western China?), where they were destroyed by a localized flood. This led to the survival of The Adam, The Aryan race, through Noah's family.

 

[Blackdiamond]

Yes, TimHonks. Russia (St. Petersburg was built because of Grand Tartary's strength at Russia's southern border) was not strong enough to attack Grand Tartary (Tartary controlled Moscow). They needed multiple nations to do it. Napoleon was a shill for The Edomites. So, it wouldn't be a surprise that France would have assisted The Russians. But which other nations supported Russia in their effort? It would have taken a lot of power to eliminate Grand Tartary. This causes me to think about how The Edomites got multiple nations to finally eliminate a very strong and nationalist Germany.

What are you trying to say about a Shangri-La? My research has shown me that The Adam, Aryans, were in a more confined area of the earth (The Tarim Basin of western China?), where they were destroyed by a localized flood. This led to the survival of The Adam, The Aryan race, through Noah's family.

I agree with everything in your post. Seems like they covered all the northern eurasia. But why bring in the bible in every post?

 

[Deleted member 37]

I will use this thread to collect more information on this, with the goal to publish an extensive article on this topic, wich can be provided as a reference whenever the topic of Tartary comes up.

I'll try to contribute by selecting the most compelling arguments and commenting on those with a dedicated thread.

So I'm gonna do some posts hoping @dreamtime will take these things in consideration for the definitive official thread on Tartaria.

First comment about this thread (SH Archive - Tartarian Language and Alphabet) in which KD asks himself what kind of language did Tartarians use.
The answer is only partial and can be deduced by the cover of the book he is quoting from (The General History of China). This is not about the language of all the Tartars and even if it was it is not clearly stated. The book talks about China, Chinese Tartary, Corea and Thibet in the year 1739 and the characters used by those people. I am not going to describe those characters though since I am not competent to do it.
This book doesn't tell us about the languages used in the Indipendent Tartary and Muscovite Tartary.

 

[Persister]

So I'm gonna do some posts hoping @dreamtime will take these things in consideration for the definitive official thread on Tartaria.

First comment about this thread (SH Archive - Tartarian Language and Alphabet) in which KD asks himself what kind of language did Tartarians use.
The answer is only partial and can be deduced by the cover of the book he is quoting from (The General History of China). This is not about the language of all the Tartars and even if it was it is not clearly stated. The book talks about China, Chinese Tartary, Corea and Thibet in the year 1739 and the characters used by those people. I am not going to describe those characters though since I am not competent to do it.
This book doesn't tell us about the languages used in the Indipendent Tartary and Muscovite Tartary.

https://ia600207.us.archive.org/7/items/generalhistoryof03duha/generalhistoryof03duha.pdf

 

[Deleted member 37]

Taken from SH Archive - Tartary - an Empire hidden in history. It was bigger than Russia once...:
"It is also worth mentioning that in the British Flag Table of 1783, there are three different flags listed as a flag of the Tsar of Moscow. There is also an Imperial Flag of Russia as well as multiple naval flags. And all of them are proceeded by a flag of the Viceroy of Russia.
Significance of the Viceroy is in the definition of the term. A viceroy is a regal official who runs a country, colony, city, province, or sub-national state, in the name of and as the representative of the monarch of the territory. Our official history will probably say that it was the Tsar of Russia who would appoint a viceroy of Moscow. I have reasons to doubt that."

The Viceroy was called namestnik (Viceroy - Wikipedia). Translated fom here (Наместник):
"The head of local government in Russia in the late 18th-19th centuries. In 1775, the government of Catherine II introduced the position of governors, who headed the administration in 2-3 provinces, which constituted the governorship. The governors were appointed from among the highest dignitaries, endowed with emergency powers and the right of general supervision over the entire local administration and court apparatus, and were responsible only to the empress. The governors were in charge of the troops located on the territory of the governorship. The executive body of the governors was the governor's board of 2-3 dignitaries. In 1796, Paul I abolished the office of governor. In the 19th century governorships existed on the national outskirts - in the Kingdom of Poland (1815-74) and in the Caucasus (1844/45-83)."

Therefore the territory once called Muscovy was ruled by a governor, confirming its secondary status during the Romanov period. Personally I don't think there was a secret rule of Muscovy over Russia and certainly the position of the flag doesn't mean anything, imo.

 

[TimHonks]

They needed multiple nations to do it. Napoleon was a shill for The Edomites. So, it wouldn't be a surprise that France would have assisted The Russians. But which other nations supported Russia in their effort? It would have taken a lot of power to eliminate Grand Tartary. This causes me to think about how The Edomites got multiple nations to finally eliminate a very strong and nationalist Germany.

I haven't found anything on Napoleon being a shill for Edomites but I wouldn't rule out deception (considering the group we are discussing). Not entirely sure if your last point was in jest, but that was probably their greatest achievement in recent history. Not merely the defeat of the Axis powers but a complete overhaul of western culture.

What are you trying to say about a Shangri-La? My research has shown me that The Adam, Aryans, were in a more confined area of the earth (The Tarim Basin of western China?), where they were destroyed by a localized flood. This led to the survival of The Adam, The Aryan race, through Noah's family.

What event turned Scythia into Tartary?
I'm hesitant to perceive Adam as merely a metaphor as well as turning the flood into a localized event, but I was briefly looking over the KD post and I don't think any of that goes in direct opposition with it. I added the shangri-la bit as it felt apt.

 

[trismegistus]

There have been far too many off topic comments on this thread. Please keep thread replies relevant to the OP topic. The thread may become locked if this persists.

This thread is regarding the topic of Tartaria, and the issues surrounding the term being used for a variety of different theories. This is not a subreddit, or a comments section where side conversations and replies are allowed.

This is not a criticism of the points made in the comments, merely a strong suggestion to stay on topic.

 

[yoxdo]

Ive read a lot of books on egypt and africa in general and tartary comes up a lot and always described as hell. Somewhat of a mythical place like the eleusinian fields. In the writing you could tell there was a disdain whenever it was mentioned.

 

[Persister]

Ive read a lot of books on egypt and africa in general and tartary comes up a lot and always described as hell. Somewhat of a mythical place like the eleusinian fields. In the writing you could tell there was a disdain whenever it was mentioned.

Be careful when you look up the meanings of words. Many important words have been changed by our usurpers. This is very important. If you change words, and delete information that you don't want the people to know, the people become blinded.

 

[Scythian]

I guess nobody here heard about the Tatars. Anybody? It's a simple misspelling of those times. The Scythians made alliances, kind of a federation with all the tribes of the great steppe. Called these tribe home-folks and the steppe homeland. Hun- means home, homeland and all the tribes living in the steppe became the federation of the Hun tribes. Home-folks on homeland. When a specific tribe took the role of the ruler, the federation became an empire. That was the case of the Mongols and later the Tatars. When the Tatars were ruling the steppe, their empire formed on the homeland, the Hun, was called Great Tatary or with the occidental misspell Tartary. The occidentals were used to the Greek expression 'tartary' that means hell and has nothing tot do in fact with the steppe.
What a lot of dreamers today call 'Tartary' refers in fact to a Global Federation of White cities. That was built between the 1400's and the 1800's all over the planet and it's signature building is the 'Capitol', as it is called in Washington D.C.

 

[Safranek]

What a lot of dreamers today call 'Tartary' refers in fact to a Global Federation of White cities. That was built between the 1400's and the 1800's all over the planet and it's signature building is the 'Capitol', as it is called in Washington D.C.

Can you please quote and share your sources for the above post and this in particular?

 

[wild heretic]

One strong argument against the idea of Tartary/Tartaria is the fact that the huge, beautiful buildings people like to post in threads related to Tartary are usually located in Europe, where Tartaria was not located. This kind of architecture is not present in the huge landmass that used to be Tartary.

Still doesn't explain the mystery of the world's fairs.

I know this is a bit off-topic, but I fancy an electrical woo-woo kind of explanation of the mid-to-late nineteenth century problem with its world fairs, fires and great architecture. I won't go into it in this thread (partly because I don't have too much to go on also).

We got set back by around 50 years because of this. Perhaps something akin to Alois Irmaier and his prophecy that in the future we have a big population reduction and go back to the technology of our grandparents' time etc. The cause may not be the same, however,

 

[Scythian]

Can you please quote and share your sources for the above post and this in particular?

Quote/share - Akasha Chronicles.

 

[Safranek]

Quote/share - Akasha Chronicles.

LIink?

 

[Scythian]

LIink?

Akashic records - Wikipedia

 

[Safranek]

Akashic records - Wikipedia

You're kidding right? That is a page on Theosophy. Nothing is mentioned regarding the historical claims you made.

I was hoping you had a reliable source for the above mentioned post. When you make claims, please quote sources where those claims can be checked and verified, as in who said it and where they got the idea.

 

[Scythian]

You're kidding right? That is a page on Theosophy. Nothing is mentioned regarding the historical claims you made.

I was hoping you had a reliable source for the above mentioned post. When you make claims, please quote sources where those claims can be checked and verified, as in who said it and where they got the idea.

Are you being aggressive? Funny. Is there an Akasha Cronicle? Is there a record of the whole history in the vibrational energy that surrounds us? Some say it is. In my, and others perspective it is the most reliable source of information. You obviously say no. I do not want to convince you of anything. I present information. Take it or leave it. And don't be cocky with me, you don't know me. Adres me with respect, I answer as well.