Temples and Churches as Radio Frequency Receivers

In line with recent comments about singing, chanting and plasmoids...

From The Undreamed Region - Barrows in folklore & archaeology, David Taylor:
Recent research work at Wayland's Smithy and other tumuli by Paul Devereux, Professor Robert Jahn and Brenda Dunne appears to suggest that such sites may have been deliberately designed for particular acoustic properties. In particular, the natural resonant frequencies of such sites were all within the human vocal range, and the chambers could thus act to amplify any pronouncements or chanting made from inside (22) . Recent visitors to Fourknocks passage tomb in Ireland noticed the rock art which forms an 'undulating line' running around the interior of the tomb. They decided to try an experiment, and chant, using the line of the rock art as a musical notation. One of the group reported afterwards: "A bright light appeared from the stones, ran around the top of them, and then rose upwards and disappeared"(23). This is not a one off experience, as similar experiences have been reported at various chambered tombs around the country (24).

(22): The Old Stones Speak, Robert G.Jahn (The Ley Hunter No.123, Summer 1995)
(23): Touchstone No. 45 (July 1996) (Presumably the UK Druid's journal)
(24): Places of Power, Paul Devereux (Blandford 1990)

Personally I'd like to see a little more detail about how they interpreted the musical notation and the frequencies and volume of chant used, but I wouldn't want to end this post on a bum note.
 
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In line with recent comments about singing, chanting and plasmoids...

From The Undreamed Region - Barrows in folklore & archaeology, David Taylor:


(22): The Old Stones Speak, Robert G.Jahn (The Ley Hunter No.123, Summer 1995)
(23): Touchstone No. 45 (July 1996) (Presumably the UK Druid's journal)
(24): Places of Power, Paul Devereux (Blandford 1990)

Personally I'd like to see a little more detail about how they interpreted the musical notation and the frequencies and volume of chant used, but I wouldn't want to end this post on a bum note.

I suspect this is similar to the Barabar caves in India.

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In line with recent comments about singing, chanting and plasmoids...

From The Undreamed Region - Barrows in folklore & archaeology, David Taylor:


(22): The Old Stones Speak, Robert G.Jahn (The Ley Hunter No.123, Summer 1995)
(23): Touchstone No. 45 (July 1996) (Presumably the UK Druid's journal)
(24): Places of Power, Paul Devereux (Blandford 1990)

Personally I'd like to see a little more detail about how they interpreted the musical notation and the frequencies and volume of chant used, but I wouldn't want to end this post on a bum note.
A quick response. Great find. It makes you wonder about ancient musical notation. Supposedly the use of harmony began in the Renaissance with the practice of "organum" in which the melody was simply doubled at the fifth or dominant. By the time of Bach (1685-1750) the rules of voice-leading had been inverted so that parallel fifths were banned. Still to this day classical musicians are drilled to avoid them. The taboo is so strong that it wasn't until Debussy, 150 years after Bach's death, that anyone dared to try it again. Pipe organs as well have stops that include the fifth. I wonder if organum was practiced to raise the ball plasmoid and after some kind of Reformation event, was banned for that reason.

A note on ball lightning. I recently chatted with an emeritus physics professor from a big state university. I brought up ball lightning. His comment was something like, "Well, it's definitely real, we have too many credible accounts of it, but it's impossible to understand or theorize." Surprised by his response, I asked him why it was impossible. He said that it was because ball lightning was simultaneously a chemical and a physical process and there was no way to disentangle the two sides of the phenomenon (!). I mean, isn't everything a hybrid phenomenon? I was good at math but bad at physics in school for precisely this reason: some kind of arbitrary artificial circumscription or simplification of the variables always preceded the calculation and I could never accept that. It seemed like they were just making stuff up as they went along. I am always stunned when I get a new glimpse from a new angle of the naked Emperor's shriveled, pathetic genitals. Recently another member of the forum posted a lecture by Richard Feynman, one of the spokesmen of official physics, that included the following jaw-dropping passage:
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They don't know what thunderstorms are.

ADDED: Just after writing this I came across the following passage on page 28 of "Ball Lightning: Paradox of Physics" by Paul Sagan:
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The author is an electrical engineer. After this we get three pages that only an electrical engineer would understand. I include it in case it makes more sense to others than it does to me.
 
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I have severely neglected this thread even as I have assembled a few more arguments. I am strapped for time these days, so I will just present a few of them without further ado.

I wrote a long post elsewhere that includes information germane to this thread, so I will start by presenting the relevant passage (in italics) with some important additions (not in italics).

The Royal Society's Facts

In Part Three of Aewar's "Labyrinth of the Lost Guild" series, he cites a passage from Louis Charpentier's book, "Mysteries of the Cathedral of Chartres" that caused me to have a Eureka! moment. Charpentier claims that the dolmens we see all over Europe were originally buried to create artificial underground chambers with rock walls. He claims that the cathedral of Chartres as well as perhaps all other Gothic cathedrals were built over such ancient artificial caves. He claims that there was once a statue of a Black Madonna holding a child in an underground chamber. Aewar suggests these dolmens were intentionally buried to channel telluric currents to the cavity. Of course! This is why we have mounds everywhere. The ground covering the chambers and the rivers next to or underneath them were their power sources. Aewar cites Charpentier as saying something about how certain fortunate pilgrims to the cathedral experienced a Great Illumination. What was the Great Illumination? Well, working from the research compiled here, perhaps the Great Illumination was the "summoning" of an intelligent ball plasmoid energy source. Did the ball plasmoid form in the "womb" of the buried chamber and then rise up through the stone waveguide architecture of the cathedral to manifest above the altar? Did the cathedral architecture "hold it in place" and somehow allow it to be tapped? Was this process anthropomorphized as the "Earth Mother" giving birth to the "Divine Son/Sun"?

(I haven't watched parts 4-6 yet, so maybe Aewar beat me to this idea already.)


Here I would like to add something that I left out from the other thread. If you will remember, Konstantin Meyl suggests that resonance was induced in temples via smaller side chambers that were attached to the main cella. The passage in question can be found somewhere in one of the earliest posts here. The advantage of transmitting resonance in this way appears to be that it is easier to use kinetic means to induce resonance in a smaller space, which in turn can cause a larger chamber to resonate. For example, kinetic energy is applied to bells, causing them to ring, or to stones with a high crystal content, inducing piezoelectricity.

Well, if we follow the alchemists who always saw the microcosm in the macrocosm, I believe we can see a biological analog to this process. I am talking about...the female orgasm. How does it work? Well, at the risk of starting a debate, I believe we can distinguish at least two types of female orgasm: the smaller (clitoral) orgasm and the larger (vaginal) orgasm. The vagina is inside the body. However, there is a little button, the clitoris, located conveniently outside of the body with sensitive nerve cells extending into the body and wrapping around the vaginal cavity. By applying rhythmic kinetic stimulation to the clitoris, a specific resonant frequency is induced in the tissue. An attentive lover (or the woman herself) will know how to recognize the natural resonance of the clitoral apparatus and adapt the kinetic stimulation to this rhythm. Under the proper circumstances, the clitoral resonance will induce a resonance in the larger cavity, the vagina, which itself induces a greater orgasm. According to Wikipedia (admittedly not my go-to source for sex techniques), there may even be a third type of orgasm:

An uterine orgasm, or womb orgasm, is an orgasm of the uterus, usually by stimulation of an area just outside the cervix, or the cervix itself, or the vaginal wall adjacent to the uterus.[1][2] Uterine orgasms can also occur without stimulation. There is some anecdotal evidence to suggest that this is a type of sexual climax.

In humans, ovulation occurs with or without orgasm, but in other animals, such as cats, ovulation follows from orgasm.

(I suggested, in the other post, that the weird Orthodox Jewish custom of having sex through a hole in a sheet was perhaps a throwback to a period during which breeding was anonymized. Human women are somewhat unique among mammals in that there are no visible signs by which estrus can be distinguished. Is this a genetically engineered trait to prevent paternal bonds from forming?)

In some animals at least, the "magic" of ovulation/fertilization is the final result of a series of step-up resonant chambers having their vibrations aligned, with the process jump-started via kinetic stimulation. I can't help but see an incredible parallel with cathedral architecture here. Did the ball plasmoid take shape in the underground "womb" and move upwards towards the apse? Or to be even more precise, the egg descends from the ovaries to the fallopian tubes, where fertilization generally takes place, and it is only afterwards that the fertilized egg finds its way to its "cocoon" in the uterus, where energy and nutrition can be channeled to it. Is an Ark placed in the apse (or some other part of the church) such a "uterus" where the ball plasmoid can gestate?

I am currently halfway through the somewhat dry "Ball Lightning: Paradox of Physics" by "Paul Sagan", obviously a pseudonym. I say it's dry because it's mostly a list of hundreds of witness reports of ball lightning. I promise I will be giving a full report of this book when I finish it. For now I will just mention that ball lighting is highly unstable in nature. It appears under all kinds of different conditions, with certain times and places appearing to be more propitious (some trees, for example, generate ball lightning every time there is a thunderstorm). However, once the ball forms, it tends to float around for only a few seconds before making contact with some object that causes it to either vanish or explode. There are eyewitness accounts of lightning strikes terminating in ball plasmoids floating above the ground. The ball lightning simply absorbs the massive charge of the lightning strike! Physicists have absolutely no idea what is happening inside these fireballs. I now imagine them as eggs that don't have time to be fertilized, and then die.

Poking around the Net, I found the following ancient liturgical prayer:

Divine liturgy

In the cave, in the tomb, in the Virgin’s womb, didst Thou repose, O Maker of heaven and earth. Deign now to repose in us, O Saviour of mankind.

That's pretty in-your-face.

In this thread we have also examined another technique for summoning some kind of divine presence, namely ritual sacrifice. I am perhaps not the only person here who has great difficulty articulating (1) the beauty of the cathedrals and the "pro-human" wisdom that emanates from them and (2) the hideous practice of sacrifice that is associated with them and their precursors, the dolmens.

This leads me to a very speculative hypothesis.

Is the architecture of cathedrals a technological innovation which allowed humans to summon "God" without sacrifice?

Is it "easier" to summon some kind of counterspatial entity with blood and a rough-hewn rock than it is to summon one using singing, underground rivers, and giant stone cavity resonators that take dozens of years to build?

Were the alchemists people who figured out (or were taught) a way to gain access to a counterspatial energy source without needing sacrifice?

Was witchcraft persecuted after the construction of the cathedrals to stop people from summoning their own nasty moonshine deities with blood and force them to do it the "clean" way? Are the cathedrals the machines that allowed humans to evolve?

Was the Eucharist conceived as a "trick" to lure pagans into the church and wean them from real sacrifice? Was the Old Testament kept in the Bible to trick the same skeptical blood-addicted people into believing that the new God (Christ) was the heir of the old gods (amalgamated into "Yahweh") when in fact they had nothing in common? Kind of like fast food restaurants today try to lure people into abandoning beef and eating soy protein by shaping it into a patty and calling it a hamburger? Or by calling a liquid derived from grains "oat milk" instead of "oat drink"? They can't just abandon the old format and start selling tubes of soy or insect paste because no one would buy it...

The occult elites appear to be crazy about Egypt and the Isis/Osiris/Horus myth in which a goddess gives birth to a divine son after being fertilized by a dead (sacrificed) god via a golden dildo (symbolized by all these obelisks in their power centers). Compare that to Christianity, in which the goddess is fertilized by the Holy Spirit directly, with no need for a sacrifice. Was the sacrifice and resurrection of Jesus grafted on later as a corruption of an original cathedral allegory in which no death was necessary for "God" to be born?


In the Orthodox liturgy cited earlier, we also find this:

The Lamb has been sacrificed, He hath redeemed all the nations of the people, He hath made us kings and priests, and we shall reign with Him for ever and ever…

The soldier pierced His side and straightway there came out blood and water. Come, and I will show you the Bride who has the Lamb for her Spouse.


Wait...blood AND water come out? That makes no sense. What makes more sense is that this passage is a compromise between two traditions, one water-based and one blood-based. More generally, reading through this liturgy, I have the strong impression that the sprinkled-in references to Abraham, Melchizedek, etc. are artificial additions to a completely different liturgy.

This whole passage reads like a riff on the Osiris myth. Also, the passage "he hath made us kings and priests, and we shall reign" sounds like Talmudo-Satanism to me.

Can we explain the tension between two types of social organization that still exists today, one "Satanic" and based on sacrifice, hierarchy, exploitation, egoism, and the murder of Osiris, and the other, based on sublimation, collective participation, and the immanence of the Holy Spirit, as a simple relic of two competing technologies that both offered access to some kind of necessary counterspatial energy source? Kind of like "dirty" fossil fuel-based power versus "clean" aether power?

Did the bad guys win because it's simply more resource-efficient to enter into contact with "God" using blood (cheap) than using cathedrals (expensive)?

@Jef Demolder, you suggest somewhere that Christianity was a parting gift from the departing gods to help humanity evolve. Was the Catholic liturgy in its original form nothing but the instruction manual for the operation of the cathedral hardware? Did Protestantism emerge only after the hardware broke?
 
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It's worth mentioning the Cathar heresy and the Albigensian crusades. The Cathars were a Christian sect who believed that Jesus was never executed on the cross, but instead lived to a ripe old age travelling the world and teaching people directly. They said that everything in the bible from the last supper onwards was added later, presumably by the catholic church. This includes the instructions to 'drink my blood and eat my flesh.' Some people think that this is a satanic ritual superimposed on the Christian tradition by the satanists who took over the church,

The Cathars were numerous in the Catalan region of SW France, NE spain. In the 1200s the Catholic church raised a massive army of mercenaries and sent them to kill off the Cathars. Over a million Christians were killed by other so-called Christians.

The 1200s corresponds to peak cathedral building. EDIT My point being this is how the Cabal operates. At the same time they are ruthlessly killing off a rival sect and consolidating power over the Catholic church, they are also doing a huge program of cathedral building to keep the masses onside.
 
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It's worth mentioning the Cathar heresy and the Albigensian crusades. The Cathars were a Christian sect who believed that Jesus was never executed on the cross, but instead lived to a ripe old age travelling the world and teaching people directly. They said that everything in the bible from the last supper onwards was added later, presumably by the catholic church. This includes the instructions to 'drink my blood and eat my flesh.' Some people think that this is a satanic ritual superimposed on the Christian tradition by the satanists who took over the church,

The Cathars were numerous in the Catalan region of SW France, NE spain. In the 1200s the Catholic church raised a massive army of mercenaries and sent them to kill off the Cathars. Over a million Christians were killed by other so-called Christians.

The 1200s corresponds to peak cathedral building.

More on Cathay here:
Tartaria - Paganism, the Destruction of Gnosticism, and the Real Missing Civilization: Cathay
 
I found the part of these structures being 3d cavity resonators holding some substance in all of this, and think the need to explore that angle before coming into why they were used, once we have some evidence of that then it will help narrow the field of what they were used for in their original purpose, not what they may have 'devolved' into.... ie, what frequencies/harmonics/ratios are these buildings designed to? Are they built to have physical or psychological effects or more? and what kinds of effects? electrical? thermal? brain wave bending? thats what i meant in my post... if my post ruffles feathers then it do, im just stating my opinion, i didnt mean to stab anyone through the heart... i really thought in my opinion this would become a much needed topic in the direction of the nigel cheese post with experimentation/data points from us and others as in a previous post where this cavity resonator idea came from....
 
Since no one else is going to go back to the beginning and read or reread everything here in an attempt to discern this thread's guiding...thread, let me take this opportunity to recapitulate its development for those who believe it has derailed.

1. The thread began with an exposition of Konstantin Meyl's thesis that Greek temples, and later, Catholic churches were designed to specific dimensions because of their resonant qualities. These structures were designed to send and receive radio signals. Meyl argues that the Greek "gods" were fronts for human broadcasting guilds and that the transition from polytheism to monotheism was nothing but the history of these broadcasting guilds being subsumed into a monopoly. Meyl spends a lot of time discussing the practice of animal sacrifice, which he explains as a technique for capturing weak transmission signals. To those who disagree with this thread's recent "excessive" focus on sacrifice, please go back and read Meyl's book. Meyl also alludes to the fact that the natural resonance of the Earth was already beginning to weaken in Classical Antiquity, without however offering any explanation as to why, leaving it up to us to figure out.

2. It so happens that Meyl's principal research concerns scalar waves, which always "invisibly" accompany regular radio waves. Scalar waves exhibit paradoxical properties and transmit energy as well as information, specifically genetic information. Conclusion, there is a poorly-understand supplementary layer of energy and information exchange taking place between harmonically coupled structures.

3. We next looked at the possible ways in which the resonant structures being discussed might interact directly with the brain. Scientific research was presented which confirms that the brain is indeed a natural demodulator for signals embedded in radio waves. The experiments of Michael Persinger, among others, demonstrate that a strong electromagnetic field applied to the brain (which fields, remember, ALSO include strong "invisible" scalar components) induce subjective reports of a "presence". At this point the focus of the thread was expanded to include communication not only between structures, but between bodies and structures, in particular via ritual headgear. Meyl himself devotes a lot of time to the methods by which oracles received radio transmissions, some of which, temple sleep for example, imply direct temple-to-brain communication.

4. All humans on Earth once traced their origin to other entities. All sacred architecture exists, at least according to myths and traditional beliefs, to facilitate communication between humans and these entities. The bizarre practice of sacrifice, which in some form is central to Judaism (the Temple), Christianity (the Eucharist), and paganism (direct sacrifice), haunts sacred architecture. Here we break with Meyl, who never engages with the hypothesis of really-existing entities that might somehow communicate with humans through either scalar or electromagnetic fields. That's okay. We're allowed to disagree with Konstantin Meyl as long as we at least try to do so intelligently.

5. At this point the discussion turned from an examination of the resonant structures themselves to some of the tools and objects used to focus and channel the signals presumably being broadcast. The importance placed on ritual objects in many religions is difficult to explain. The existence of cargo cults suggests that these objects may once have had a technological function which we no longer understand. Among these objects: bowls, goblets, croziers, columns, icons, Arks, stained glass windows, phylacteries, baldacchinos, sacred vestments, hats, water, blood. Evidence was presented that during the 16th century reformation in England, the importance of ritual objects was downgraded, and the importance of more abstract theological concepts was substituted in their place.

6. Here the thread took another turn. Something was still lacking, namely, some kind of "missing link" between humans, ritual objects, structures, legends of supernatural entities, and theology. I suggested that Russian blogger Yyprst's theory that certain "anomalous zones" on the surface of the Earth once spontaneously produced hovering "ball plasmoids" might be that missing link. For Yyprst, these illuminated fireballs opened up a direct channel of communication with what can only be called another dimension. I linked to numerous well-researched articles on his blog. I read them all. Did anyone else? At this point, all the hard-nosed materialists following the thread probably checked out, despite the fact that ball lightning is a scientifically verified phenomenon whose properties utterly baffle physics. I am almost finished with "Ball Lightning: Paradox of Physics", which will probably be my next contribution.

7. We dipped our toes into fringe territory with a foray into reports of "Dark Matter Monsters", namely life-forms whose biology includes "coherent matter" which can move between at least two different states, one physical, the other ethereal and connected, via witness reports, with phenomena also associated with ball lightning. These life-forms also resemble many of the ghouls we see depicted in ancient art.

8. My last few entries, which concerned the Christianization of pagan sites and the possible different roles of blood and water in opening channels of communication involving resonance, appear to have triggered a few of the readers of this thread. My intention, over the last few posts, has been to zero in on what exactly the functions of blood and water might be relative to the larger resonating apparatuses discussed, from trees to simple columns of stone plunged into the ground, to buried resonant chambers, to more elaborate temples, all the way up to Gothic cathedrals. I have attempted to engage with this point on the level of theology, on the level of myth, on the level of historical documentation, and on the level of scientific principles, to the limit of my ability. I presume that anyone reading this far is familiar with ground already covered earlier in the thread. I do not need to remind everyone that Meyl attempted to explain sacrifice as a technique for demodulating scalar or radio signals. I do not need to remind everyone that the transition from pagan theology to monotheism could, for Meyl, be analyzed as a distorted and metaphorized account of a purely technological transformation, an attempt which I am extending. Nor do we even need to constantly defer to Konstantin Meyl. His book was a starting point, no more, no less. I referred back to the work of the noted history critic Gunnar Heinsohn and his work on the relationship between theology and sacrifice, and attempted to fill in some of the gaps in his theory using some of the evidence we have accumulated here. To my mind, we are coming closer to putting the pieces together.

9. More generally, temples and cathedrals are at the very heart of the larger historical mysteries we discuss here. They are the tangible objects to which every other mystery eventually leads, be it the mystery of ancient technology, the mystery of the spirit world, the mystery of religion, the mystery of chronology, etc. In order for us to have any chance of understanding what they are, we must be allowed to circle freely around the phenomenon. As we spiral closer to the center, we will catch glimpses of familiar phenomena from different angles.

Trismegistus, I have put a lot of work into this thread and to my mind, it has not lost its center. It started as one thing, and became something a little different, but it remains coherent and consistent despite ranging over large territory. My latest posts remain within the general purview of the topic. Straight lines are great. Curved lines are great too.

Nightseeker, regarding an analysis of the specific resonant frequencies of the cavity resonators in question, I have a few comments. First of all, as I mentioned before, I lack the technical expertise to be of much use here. I would be very happy if you could dig up that information and maybe try to connect it with some of the other ideas presented here. I say that without sarcasm. You suggest that we ought to prove that these structures were cavity resonators before speculating on what they later became. This is precisely what Meyl does, to my satisfaction at least: he gives the precise resonant frequencies of a number of Greek temples, and argues that their original function was radio broadcasting. What I went on to argue was not that they devolved into something else, but rather that they had already devolved by the time they were used as broadcasting stations, if indeed Meyl's hypothesis is even correct. Or to be even more precise, they began as one thing (ball plasmoid generators), became something else (broadcasting stations), and then became something else again (religious institutions as we know them). Not to mention the grisly possibilities presented by Usselo. Regarding your suggestion that we must know the technical details before we can speculate on the function, I would argue that the contrary method of investigation has just as many chances of yielding interesting results. After all, it is only after puzzling over the weird fact that these structures have always been associated with spirit entities that the idea came to me that the cavity resonators might be used to interact with them, not only with other tuned resonators. Since Meyl starts from a purely technical standpoint, that hypothesis is not even on his radar. Both approaches are valuable. You are correct that I have privileged the latter over the former, but again that is due to my own background. I cannot become someone else when I research, and since I am the one doing almost all of the posting here, the thread will necessarily bear the stamp of my own cognitive style, for better and for worse.

I found the part of these structures being 3d cavity resonators holding some substance in all of this, and think the need to explore that angle before coming into why they were used, once we have some evidence of that then it will help narrow the field of what they were used for in their original purpose, not what they may have 'devolved' into.... ie, what frequencies/harmonics/ratios are these buildings designed to? Are they built to have physical or psychological effects or more? and what kinds of effects? electrical? thermal? brain wave bending?

The questions you pose here are precisely the questions I and a few others have attempted to answer, without yet coming to a conclusion, and while savoring the detours along the way. At no point has the door on Meyl's original idea been closed. If you can shed some light on the relationship between different resonant frequencies and their potential effects, please, I invite you to do so, as you appear to have more of a technical background than I do.
 
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I may not post often, but when I do I hope it helps, (wow sounded like dos equis guy LOL); Its true I haven't post much, but if I get any evidence, data points etc, as I do dig into these topics from a technical standpoint it will be posted here along with any thoughts that others may help us along with too. A lot of posts here have assisted me in my work on a lot of these subjects.
 
Firstly, many thanks to Frostychud for a boss-level summary of this thread Temples and Churches as Radio Frequency Receivers

He has accurately conveyed the essential elements of Meyl's book in layman's language. Well done!

You can buy a copy of the book here - Broadcasting of the Gods

I have read this book once. When time permits, I intend to read it again more carefully, making notes.

Like Frostychud I have put at least a hundred hours into reading Meyl's work, and I agree with him that it's irritating when people who have made no effort at all come onto this thread and make ill-informed comments.

Please would Jd755 and Will Scarlet correct me if I'm wrong in assuming they have not read this book?

NOTE TO MODERATOR

I agree it would be good to spin out some other threads to discuss certain topics in more detail. To my mind, one of the most important is Meyl's assertion, contained in this book, that if you read original sources for Roman history, something that becomes apparent is they say things like 'We contacted the Etruscans/Spanish/whatever and they got back to us and said 'Blah.'

Meyl says the original sources read as if communications were rapid in the Roman empire. He also goes into some detail about the historical revisionism that has occurred (in the 1800s, off the top of my head) where authors from that time insert their own comments to say things like 'We have to remember that it would have taken weeks to send messages on horseback,' when this is not stated in the original source.

Meyl's work is translated from German, so the references he cites are to the German language version of Herodotus. Unfortunately I don't have the time now to re-read the book and find that section. However I would hope some day to do that and start a new thread on this topic, namely;

How many examples of original Roman sources appear to allude to rapid communications?

NOTE TO TROLLS

If anyone feels the need to refute my statement here by pointing out that the Etruscans/Spanish did not exist during Roman times, please refrain. It is not relevant to the point I'm making. I don't have the time right now to look into ancient Roman provinces and randomly pick two to fill out the point I'm making here.
 
Trismegistus, I have put a lot of work into this thread and to my mind, it has not lost its center. It started as one thing, and became something a little different, but it remains coherent and consistent despite ranging over large territory. My latest posts remain within the general purview of the topic. Straight lines are great. Curved lines are great too.

I do tend to agree, but my major concern is not so much what you have contributed that might be a bit of a curve - but that others will reply to aspects of it to lead the thread astray. This idea of temples and churches as pieces of technology has always interested me, and I do think there is something to it. Thank you for your precise summary of the thread so far, I think it has been helpful to reframe it after 5-6 pages of posts.

This idea could also provide an explanation as to the mysterious origins of the Freemasons, their obsessions with sacred geometry in structures, and why you found them in remote areas of America when no one else seemed to be around. The idea that they are a sort of cargo cult has always intrigued me.
 
To my mind, one of the most important is Meyl's assertion, contained in this book, that if you read original sources for Roman history, something that becomes apparent is they say things like 'We contacted the Etruscans/Spanish/whatever and they got back to us and said 'Blah.'

Meyl says the original sources read as if communications were rapid in the Roman empire.

If I might be permitted to make a contribution to this thread, I would like to mention that a similar proposal was put forward within: Dr. John Dee, The Hellfire Club, Obelisks and Masons: 007’s Legacy., which I had a hand in. We highlighted the impossibly long duration of conventional two-way communications between England and the Americas during the period of the American War of Independence. We proposed that two-way communication could be affected through the use of Ley Lines, obelisks, towers, churches and scrying. The concept was that the use of these components allowed a connection via the Earth's natural energy grid. Mr. Konstantin's books were unknown to us at that time, although they would probably have been too technical for us.

I also recall a thread that spoke of experiments regarding the comparison between energy frequencies recorded within religious edifices and the patterns built into their rose windows. The experiments showed that the geometric shape created by the recorded frequencies matched the pattern of the associated rose window. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find that thread and I may not be recalling its entirety.
 
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If I might be permitted to make a contribution to this thread, I would like to mention that a similar proposal was put forward within: Dr. John Dee, The Hellfire Club, Obelisks and Masons: 007’s Legacy., which I had a hand in. We highlighted the impossibly long duration of conventional two-way communications between England and the Americas during the period of the American War of Independence. We proposed that two-way communication could be affected through the use of Ley Lines, obelisks, towers, churches and scrying. The concept was that the use of these components allowed a connection via the Earth's natural energy grid.
I'd like to highlight a few of the points made in the post linked by Will Scarlet, as we may be in a position to add a few things. Please read the entire post before continuing.

Felix Noille:

By the 1760s meetings [of the Hellfire Club] were no longer being held at the abbey and all evidence of the club ever having been there was removed. This could have been the result of a highly improbable incident that allegedly involved a Black Mass, a baboon, John Wilkes and The Earl of Sandwich. An account of this was later published by John Wilkes and gave away many ‘secrets’ of the club’s activities at the Abbey. The meetings were now being held in the caves of West Wycombe. These had been excavated between 1748 and 1752 by Dashwood when he extended an ancient chalk and flint mine.

Or maybe they were already there and he just cleaned them out.

From Wikipedia: “A route through the underground chambers proceeds, from the Entrance Hall, to the Steward's Chamber and Whitehead's Cave, through Lord Sandwich's Circle, ... Franklin's Cave (named after Benjamin Franklin, a friend of Dashwood who visited West Wycombe), the Banqueting Hall (allegedly the largest man-made chalk cavern in the world), the Triangle, to the Miner's Cave; and finally, across a subterranean river named the Styx, lies the final cave, the Inner Temple, where the meetings of the Hellfire Club were held, and which is said to lie 300 feet (90 m) directly beneath the church on top of West Wycombe hill...Considering they were all dug by hand, the caves are often regarded as an incredible feat of engineering.”

As stated by Wikipedia, there is a church directly above the caves - St Lawrence's Church - which was remodelled by Sir Francis Dashwood around the same time that the caves were being excavated. He also built a Mausoleum there and remodelled the nave into a “very superb Egyptian hall” inspired by the ancient Temple of the Sun in Palmyra. There are many Trompe-l'œil paintings attributed to Giovanni Borgnis and in the centre of the chancel ceiling is a painting of the Last Supper after Rembrant. Spectacular Rococo plasterwork is all over the place. The church had served the lost medieval village of Haveringdon up until around the 14th century. One of Dashwood’s most important improvements was to the medieval west tower, which he made higher.

He placed a great golden ball on the top of the tower. The golden ball can be seen for miles. Reputedly, it’s “made from a wooden frame covered in gold leaf, 8 feet in diameter, and contains seating for up to six people.” That gold leaf must have excellent preservative properties if the ball is still the original and truly made of wood...


Off topic discussion on Baptism, among other things (removed from Churches as Radio towers thread)

In my last few posts, which have since been moved to the spinoff thread linked to above, and which I encourage everyone to read before continuing on this thread, as there is much pertinent information interwoven with digressions there, I speculated that (1) underground caves and chambers fed by (2) underground rivers and (3) located directly underneath churches had a very special function, namely that of birthing a ball plasmoid which somehow powered or activated the structures above them. And here we have:

- initiated occultists performing rituals in underground caves

- a temple modeled after the "Temple of the Sun" in Palymyra, which Wikipedia calls the "Temple of Baal"

- the same occultists sitting in a gilded ball on top of a tower directly above the cave possibly sending messages through the aether

The detail that really struck me, however, was the name of the organization: the "Hellfire Club". When you first hear it, it just sounds like the kind of name a bunch of debauched aristocratic fops would give to their secret buggery parties.

Or maybe they were honoring the fire from Hell, the underground fire that they knew how to conjure in the cave where they met.

The purpose of the Hellfire Clubs is very difficult to pinpoint. Maybe they were recruiting the rich and powerful to the ‘dark side’. Perhaps they were also communicating with ‘various spirits’ and commanding them to do their bidding whilst being manipulated themselves. If the takeover of the existing civilisation in America wasn’t as easy as had been anticipated, it could even be that they were learning how to use the etheric network of obelisks etc. to manipulate the natural world.

Did the giant gilded ball "hold" the ball plasmoid in place the way an antenna holds a wave? Meyl, in "Scalar Waves", illustrates how standing waves create circular vortex currents.
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Was the inside of this sphere the "center of the scalar vortex" into which messages disappeared only to pop out instantaneously at other tuned vortices? I would guess that the only reason to climb inside the ball would be to take advantage of something like this. This particular ball is huge and unique. Perhaps you have to be inside the ball for remote viewing to work, but a normal tuned ball sufficed to send and receive telegraphic messages. Was the ball's function simply to get the (cross-shaped, crescent-shaped, etc.) antenna on top vibrating?

In the following thread, the elegant suggestion is made that these spheres were simply designed to catch St Elmo's Fire and use it to induce resonance:

Thread 'Finials and Cavity Resonance' Finials and Cavity Resonance

Now, it so happens that strong St Elmo's fire can...generate ball lightning:
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(Notice the detail about the glow appearing between the horse's ears, and the persistent association of horns with both otherworldly entities and wisdom [Moses].)

The Eiffel Tower is plagued by fireballs and by St. Elmo's Fire:
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Ball lightning displays eerie properties that are often perceived as psychic:
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In other words, it is possible that the medium itself through which communication takes place, which Plato called khôra, is alive, intelligent, and conscious.

(All three passages from Ball Lightning: Paradox of Physics by Paul Sagan.)

I would here like to add a couple of images I took myself, the first in Switzerland, the second in Germany. The first is a fountain (next to a cathedral):
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We have everything here. We have a stone pillar that may once have channeled the ball out of the Earth with spring water. We have a spherical stone pommel at the top criss-crossed with a pine cone motif reminiscent of the two spinning fields in a torus, perhaps to "hold" the ball plasmoid in place.
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These ubiquitous urns, which like alchemical teakettles were presumably portable in order that they might be moved directly over the spot from which energy flowed upwards, are often shown birthing pine cones or fire. Ball plasmoids probably looked like both:
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I will buy a beer for anyone who can tell me what liquid was originally inside these damn urns. Ionized water? Blood? Mercury? Blended biomaterial to breed chimeras in artificial eggs?

(We also have a potential answer for why we see pine cones everywhere, and why the pineal gland is so named: its design allows it to attract and hold a tiny scalar field/ball plasmoid.) We have underground water coming to the surface. We even have little cargo-cult ball plasmoids ("Christmas decorations") hanging from the trees.

From a Christmas market in Germany:
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This one really astounded me. Humans must have some kind of morphic unconscious memory of the old world. We have a multi-tiered tower with a shining star on top and even a weird horizontal propeller that must replicate the spinning toroidal field at the pinnacle where the plasmoid manifested, held perhaps in place by a metal sphere!

Bonus: interesting website about aether physics and this shape: Article 102A: Physics - Aether Units - Part 6 - The Torus & Nassim Haramein - Cosmic Core

THE GODDESS

I've talked a lot about spires and crypts recently. However, the Greek temples Meyl discusses have no spires and no crypts. According to ChatGPT, these two features only became common with...Gothic architecture. In other words, to get from a Greek temple to a Gothic cathedral, you basically bury the cella next to some underground water to increase the amount of telluric charge flowing into it, build a huge vaulted chamber above it, and build a huge spire above that, topped with a hollow metal sphere and a design finial.

And then you name it after the Goddess.

Why?

What if the churches are not named after Mary, but ARE the ladies themselves? Notre Dame de Paris IS the Lady of Paris.

Is there a connection between the German word for a cathedral, which is "Dom", and the French word "Dame", which are nearly identical in pronunciation? Is the Kölner Dom really the Cologne Lady?

I came to the conclusion earlier in the thread that arks and resonant cellae were designed to be used together. I asked my friend ChatGPT if there was anything resembling the Ark in Catholic tradition. The answer was more than I was expecting:

While there isn't an exact replica or representation of the Ark within Catholic practices, some connections can be drawn between the Ark and the Virgin Mary. Mary is sometimes metaphorically referred to as the "Ark of the New Covenant" because, in Christian belief, she carried Jesus Christ, who is considered the fulfillment of the covenant between God and humanity. This association is more symbolic and theological rather than a physical representation of the Ark within Catholic tradition.

This is starting to cohere into something. We have two separate architectural technologies:

1. Simple above ground cavity resonators inside which arks or idols are placed (Greek temples, the Jewish temple), and

2. much more complex Gothic churches that update this basic technology by adding crypts and spires.

And theologically, we have:

1. A religion in which authority flows downwards from a jealous, hungry god, to an initiated priest class, to an uninitiated slave populace expected to bring offerings, and

2. A religion based on the immanence of God and the ability of all people to experience the Holy Spirit without having to bleed for it.

Thinking about it, the crucial difference on the architectural level appears to me to be the fact that people can gather in churches to experience the Holy Spirit directly, whereas no one can enter Arks or resonating cellae.

The entire church functions as a resonating womb for the Holy Spirit. That's why she's Our Lady of Paris. Cathedrals were designed to democratize the scalar field and make priesthoods obsolete!

I have a Jewish friend who became interested in Catholicism and Christ. While attending mass in a French cathedral, she was very moved by the ritual practice of shaking hands and wishing peace upon your neighbors. Were Gothic cathedrals designed precisely to make it possible for people to share in the presence of "God" together?

BACK TO SCALAR WAVES

Let's get more technical.

I asked ChatGPT some basic questions.

First I asked it if any object could potentially emit radio waves if it could be made to resonate.

For an object to emit radio waves through resonance, it generally requires an alternating current (AC). Direct current (DC) is less effective in generating radio waves via resonance because it doesn't alternate in the same way as AC. The rapid changes in the direction of the current in an alternating fashion are what induce the electromagnetic waves associated with radio frequency radiation. Therefore, while DC can create electromagnetic fields, it's not as efficient in generating radio waves through resonance as AC.

Ok, I was getting somewhere. I asked it about DC in nature.

Some natural sources, like certain types of batteries found in organisms or electrochemical reactions occurring in nature, produce direct current. Additionally, in some geological formations, such as within the Earth's crust, there are natural direct current systems caused by various processes, including the movement of underground fluids or minerals. However, DC in its pure form, generated artificially through a steady flow of electrons in a conductor, is less common in natural settings compared to alternating current (AC).

It gave lightning and nerve impulses as common examples of AC in nature.

I asked it if a hollow stone building drawing direct current from the Earth could function as a radio transmitter:

Converting a constant DC resonance to an AC resonance with rudimentary tools to turn a large stone object into a radio transmission station is quite challenging. Converting DC to AC requires sophisticated equipment and specific electrical components that weren't available in ancient or rudimentary settings.

Not looking too promising for the radio theory.

I asked it about the work of Meyl.

According to Konstantin Meyl's theories, scalar waves are believed to be generated by oscillating DC (direct current) rather than by AC (alternating current) resonance. He suggests that scalar waves emerge from the zero-point energy field and are associated with longitudinal waves, which he claims can be generated by oscillating or pulsating direct current systems.

Zeroing in.

So: getting a church to resonate with AC, which would apparently be difficult without sophisticated equipment, seems to be a precondition for using it as a radio transmitter. However, by using DC to make it resonate, scalar waves are generated, according to Meyl's theory.

In other words: if this is correct, Meyl left a very important piece of information out of Broadcasting of the Gods. These temples had to be resonating with DC. But DC doesn't produce radio waves. AC does. So what gives?

Meyl is also very vague about the transmission side of the ancient broadcasts. He's much more precise about the reception side, at least one of the methods for which, temple sleep, involves an explicitly psychic component, with the brain/body functioning as a demodulator.

Curiously, Meyl does not mention scalar waves by name once in the book. This must be considered a willful omission, considering it is his principal area of investigation.

Conclusion: Meyl probably wanted to spread the idea of temples as broadcasting stations to a mainstream audience. Fearing that they would resist the idea if he associated it with his new-agey "scalar waves", he simply left that part out, knowing that 99% of his readers would not have a technical enough background to notice anyway!

Now that I think about it, I am not sure if he ever uses the word "radio" either. He just talks about broadcasting! I automatically filled that idea in with RADIO broadcasting, but that was my error!

Clever guy!

Stupid me!

He was never talking about radio waves!

The AC generated radio field is dead, a slave medium.

The DC generated scalar field is alive.

Did the current wars, won by Tesla's AC in the 1880's, mark the moment when humanity chose the explicit over the subtle, quantity over quality, the loud voice of authority over the soft voice of intuition, the visible over the invisible, radio waves over scalar waves?

ADDED: This idea brings me back to the excellent French alchemist and esotericist René Guénon. I found my copy of "The Reign of Quantity & the Signs of the Times" and my eyes immediately went to the cover art. It meant nothing to me the first time I read it, in fact I didn't even notice it, but this time it jumped out at me:
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This is a representation of a node in the scalar field, or perhaps a view from above of a rising column of scalar energy rising up to give birth to a fireball.

I will let Guénon say it better than I can:
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This one really astounded me. Humans must have some kind of morphic unconscious memory of the old world. We have a multi-tiered tower with a shining star on top and even a weird horizontal propeller that must replicate the spinning toroidal field at the pinnacle where the plasmoid manifested, held perhaps in place by a metal sphere!
Its a full human scaled version of one these popular Christmas ornaments.
German Wooden Christmas Pyramid Candles - Oh, by the way...: Schwibbogen, Christmas Pyramid, and ... / Check out our german christmas pyramid selection for the very best in unique or custom, handmade pieces from our ornaments shops.
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The heat from the candles warms the air which forms a vortex due to the candles positioning and the angled propeller/fan blade turns on its axle thus moving the scenes which are on discs connected to the same axle creating a moving ornament without the use of the demon god AC/DC electricity.
 
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Its a full human scaled version of one these popular Christmas ornaments.
German Wooden Christmas Pyramid Candles - Oh, by the way...: Schwibbogen, Christmas Pyramid, and ... / Check out our german christmas pyramid selection for the very best in unique or custom, handmade pieces from our ornaments shops.
The heat from the candles warms the air which forms a vortex due to the candles positioning and the angled propeller/fan blade turns on its axle thus moving the scenes which are on discs connected to the same axle creating a moving ornament without the use of the demon god AC/DC electricity.
There's no illuminated ball on top.

Did it occur to you that perhaps you have it backwards and the candle toy is actually the cargo cult decorative version of the original aether-powered tower?

If so, what we see in my video is a transformed "return" of the original form. We can occasionally see something like this in linguistics too. Take the verb "flirter" in French, for example. This word is a recent gallicization of the English verb "to flirt". The irony is that "flirt" itself comes from the old French expression "conter fleurette", which literally means "to tell a little flower". There must be a technical name for this double-transformation phenomenon leading from tower to toy to tower.
 
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There's no illuminated ball on top.

Did it occur to you that perhaps you have it backwards and the candle version is actually the cargo cult decorative version of the original aether-powered tower?
Does it occur to you that the term cargo cult is a red herring used to lead you up the garden path?


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Frostychud has severely edited his comment prior to this one so please bear that in mind whilst reading what follows

Your base belief appears to be aethric energy is real and an earlier version of human civilisation used aetheric energy as its prime source of energy to do everything electricity does today and also repair human bodies, human minds, put humans in touch with the gods or creator in short the driver of human society.

For me its dead simple. I don't know if etheric energy is a real tangible thing that can be used for anything. I've read shitloads of claims for its existence over my years and none of them panned out.
So the question of its existence remains a question. Either it does or it doesn't.

I only comment in your thread when I see something I know off that you obviously don't. Hence the candle spinner. I just posted the first image that came up on the image search. I paid no attention to the actual finial of the axle.

Your argument about balls and finials once having a connection to the aether and plasma and whatnot is just that an argument. Same goes for a stone ball on top of a stone urn both of which sit on top of a stone column alongside a fountain.
You have no evidence to support the argument. Evidence would be that that particular arrangement was commonplace by fountains for example.
However unless that particular fountain actually sits atop a spring which has enough force to push the water above ground to a height then its likely the water is piped in from another source under pressure most likely the town mains but you don't even go check that out.

Same for the rivers under churches claim. No church I have ever been in has a river or stream running under it. Doesn't mean there are none just means if they exist they are uncommon not common.
The claim that they sit on leyline crossings or connections. I looked deeply into that as it made sense especially when coupled with the fact many churchyards have ancient yew trees in them.
Investigation however showed very, very few churches sit on leylines and fewer still sit on crossings or junctions and the yew is far from omnipresent in the churchyards.

The idea that cathedrals are a place where humans can find peace and calm does hold some water for me. I've been in a few and they are oddly foreboding from the outside yet calming and bloody cold on the inside but inside them sound is lost in their vastness and resonances from music and singing change depending on where one is in the structure.
Religion feels out of place in there to me but as for a tech once being within them I've never seen anything suggestive of its presence.
As for the building itself being the tech well the designs are different whilst the layout of the structure is usually the same so if its the layout then it should be possible to repeat it at any scale so churches and cathedrals would be the same save for scale.
The argument they were human processing facilities is fantasy island stuff quite frankly.

I've come to see the significance of the two dragons chasing the flaming pearl now thanks to your thread and catalysts techdancer four parter. The aether is the flaming pearl and the dragons are the humans chasing it.
The only reason they are chasing it is they want to control and use it.
What they don't realise is they are already it.

This search for an aetheric world f the past feels is for me summed up with that dragon and pearl image.

As to the candle powerred ornament.
Its design and construction shows a level of observation, skill and understanding of the way things work that is only found in human ingenuity.
Gods are omnipotent so cannot figure things out. Humans figure things out.
 
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