The Founding Fathers of the United States and the Ethno Religious State

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Username: RTP now
Date: 2020-07-06 01:00:29
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Pagan comes from the Latin term paganus meaning country folk because as the Roman Catholic stronghold grew, people who didn't want to be under Roman rule would escape/go off into the woods/countryside and establish themselves there so they could continue to live according to their own ways. Once the kingdom was controlled by the Roman Catholic Church, their focus turned to the paganus or countryfolk to be controlled and converted. I may be wrong about this, but this is my understanding. So, based on this, to me paganism is not necessarily bad or evil, so if there is another old world religion that may be similar to this, it may be worth discussing to see where it goes.

AGREE that this is slightly off topic but somewhat in line with trying to unravel what exactly IS Christianity and were the “founding fathers” REAL Christians, or did they co-opt the term to fulfill their agenda?

What is interesting about the point you make on paganism is that it is exactly what’s occurring now as many people are moving to the country to live according to “natural” Law.

History does have a way of repeating... especially during resets.

 

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Date: 2020-07-06 02:10:41
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Listened to Trump’s speech at Rushmore. Now, I have a clue why this thread appears on the front page.

It would be wonderful if all the myths he evoked were true. But these myths distort facts. That young people become immature agitators for social justice is a fault of the universities. They have been paid off by TPTB. And, of course, all crucial departments that would seriously delve into mythologies presented on this thread have been under attack by a society that says it doesn’t value historical inquiry, for example, since I was a student in the 80s. This kills diverse and radical investigation-- the kind found on this forum.

Drained of money and funded by interests determined to divide and rule, the results we see nowadays are a logical outcome.

Extreme left: social justice warriors. Extreme right: Christian Nationalists. One group evokes and proves the purpose of the other.

If I tell my liberal friends that things Trump says are accurate and he might do some good, they recoil because they know the false mythologies and they, to be honest, fear white gun owners. If I tell my right-wing friends to cool it with the Trump love, for it can lead to its own brand of fascism, they think I am their enemy-- an enemy of “America.”

In the meantime, the business schools and genetics programs continue to get lots of funding and lots of students. The true agenda of America is technocratic. And for the founders and other big players, it is grab and growl. The place was stolen; its history is stolen. Locking away the thieves and hypocrites is not a job accomplished. Americans still needs to reckon with the truth of the past.

 

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Username: Divine Wind
Date: 2020-07-06 02:14:01
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Listened to Trump’s speech at Rushmore. Now, I have a clue why this thread appears on the front page.

It would be wonderful if all the myths he evoked were true. But these myths distort facts. That young people become immature agitators for social justice is a fault of the universities. They have been paid off by TPTB. And, of course, all crucial departments that would seriously delve into mythologies presented on this thread have been under attack by a society that says it doesn’t value historical inquiry, for example, since I was a student in the 80s. This kills diverse and radical investigation-- the kind found on this forum.

Drained of money and funded by interests determined to divide and rule, the results we see nowadays are a logical outcome.

Extreme left: social justice warriors. Extreme right: Christian Nationalists. One group evokes and proves the purpose of the other.

If I tell my liberal friends that things Trump says are accurate and he might do some good, they recoil because they know the false mythologies and they, to be honest, fear white gun owners. If I tell my right-wing friends to cool it with the Trump love, for it can lead to its own brand of fascism, they think I am their enemy-- an enemy of “America.”

In the meantime, the business schools and genetics programs continue to get lots of funding and lots of students. The true agenda of America is technocratic. And for the founders and other big players, it is grab and growl. The place was stolen; its history is stolen.

 

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Date: 2020-07-06 03:53:14
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Freemasonry and Washington D.C.'s Street Layout
These layouts were designed in 1791 just a few short years after the war of Independance. I'm sure that many didn't fully understand these designs when they were detailed, but they do show intent, control and sheer bloody mindedness to get these ideas fully constructed and to comply to an overall plan. Who designed them? I'm pretty sure they weren't Christians.

This isn't made up, check out where the pencil goes in the compass on the google map, it's Starbucks. The owl's eyes (all seeing) are definitely detailed. It's incredible that the Set Square just rolls past the White House (on a different line) and points to the Supreme Council Building, an exact distance that just happens to be equal to the distance from the Washington Monument to the Capitol Building. Lincoln's memorial is just a sideshow. The layout is telling you where the ultimate power would end up, and it doesn't appear to be anywhere near the White House. What are the chances of this map all happening by accident?

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I've posted this elsewhere ages ago, but have a look at this video by Scott Onstott (Secrets in Plain Sight), followed by Washington DC, vol. 2 and vol. 3.

 

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Username: Hipophoralcu
Date: 2020-07-06 05:41:44
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Listened to Trump’s speech at Rushmore. Now, I have a clue why this thread appears on the front page.

It would be wonderful if all the myths he evoked were true. But these myths distort facts. That young people become immature agitators for social justice is a fault of the universities. They have been paid off by TPTB. And, of course, all crucial departments that would seriously delve into mythologies presented on this thread have been under attack by a society that says it doesn’t value historical inquiry, for example, since I was a student in the 80s. This kills diverse and radical investigation-- the kind found on this forum.

Drained of money and funded by interests determined to divide and rule, the results we see nowadays are a logical outcome.

Extreme left: social justice warriors. Extreme right: Christian Nationalists. One group evokes and proves the purpose of the other.

If I tell my liberal friends that things Trump says are accurate and he might do some good, they recoil because they know the false mythologies and they, to be honest, fear white gun owners. If I tell my right-wing friends to cool it with the Trump love, for it can lead to its own brand of fascism, they think I am their enemy-- an enemy of “America.”

In the meantime, the business schools and genetics programs continue to get lots of funding and lots of students. The true agenda of America is technocratic. And for the founders and other big players, it is grab and growl. The place was stolen; its history is stolen. Locking away the thieves and hypocrites is not a job accomplished. Americans still needs to reckon with the truth of the past.

In my opinion the true agenda of the US is corporatocracy, not technocracy.

 

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Date: 2020-07-06 06:28:53
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Not sure if anyone else has read about this "Deism" but I have run across it a few times now during some searches for other subjects. Though maybe not as relevant to the current topic as other posts, just a thought in the same possible direction. That or it is just another misdirection thrown into the mix.

 

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Username: dejavu
Date: 2020-07-06 13:49:52
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Listened to Trump’s speech at Rushmore. Now, I have a clue why this thread appears on the front page.

It would be wonderful if all the myths he evoked were true. But these myths distort facts. That young people become immature agitators for social justice is a fault of the universities. They have been paid off by TPTB. And, of course, all crucial departments that would seriously delve into mythologies presented on this thread have been under attack by a society that says it doesn’t value historical inquiry, for example, since I was a student in the 80s. This kills diverse and radical investigation-- the kind found on this forum.

Drained of money and funded by interests determined to divide and rule, the results we see nowadays are a logical outcome.

Extreme left: social justice warriors. Extreme right: Christian Nationalists. One group evokes and proves the purpose of the other.

If I tell my liberal friends that things Trump says are accurate and he might do some good, they recoil because they know the false mythologies and they, to be honest, fear white gun owners. If I tell my right-wing friends to cool it with the Trump love, for it can lead to its own brand of fascism, they think I am their enemy-- an enemy of “America.”

In the meantime, the business schools and genetics programs continue to get lots of funding and lots of students. The true agenda of America is technocratic. And for the founders and other big players, it is grab and growl. The place was stolen; its history is stolen. Locking away the thieves and hypocrites is not a job accomplished. Americans still needs to reckon with the truth of the past.

This is what saddens me most - the “people” are being used by those within the “People” power to achieve their goals, whatever those are. I don’t believe either side of the political aisle is better than the other because both have flaws, as well as good points, and I think that’s why they are both being played (willingly and unwillingly as two sides of the same coin) by TPTB who really run things behind the scenes. That way, no matter which side wins elections, they remain in power, all at the expense of the “people” being used to play out the agendas. I would also argue those in government are not as in control as they would like to think because both sides are a hot mess and some people are not blind to that. Hopefully, those trying to do good in government will have a chance to make a difference and steer this country in a more positive direction.

EDIT: I don't want to steer away from forum guidelines because KD wants to keep this as a history focused discussion place. But I wanted to respond to your post to show that I agree but sadly this seems to be in line with the intended structure that the "People" designed during the founding of this nation based on what this thread shows, so that's why we see it playing out still.

 

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Date: 2020-07-06 14:20:57
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Just came across this and wanted to post it because I stated in an previous post that Jefferson fathered 13 children with Sally Hemings and wanted to present an alternative narrative. I’ve heard numbers as low as two up into the teens. Of course, there are those who say the entire story is a hoax and there are no black descendants.

Whatever the case, there’s enough evidence that the midnight oil was burnt quite often at Monticello... [Thomas Jefferson's Black Descendent Takes Part in Photo Op to Show How Slavery 'Connected' Americans].

 

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Username: Divine Wind
Date: 2020-07-06 14:37:09
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I've posted this elsewhere ages ago, but have a look at this video by Scott Onstott (Secrets in Plain Sight), followed by Washington DC, vol. 2 and vol. 3.

Yep, that's a good video that describes things well. there are similar layouts in other cities, but Washington is very clearly defined and cannot be easily disregarded.

Re the video. On King David, he actually reigned for 40 years according to the Hebrew Bible, and Jesus performed 35, 36 or 37 miracles - not 33. according to the NT.

The 33 with Jesus is not particularly significant, what is significant is the 3.5 years, and that he was a man when he started out on his quest, and that was deemed to be at the age of 30, which is similar today. The 3.5 years is derived from the Book of Daniel and the 70 weeks where it states that the messiah would be cut off halfway through the week. This is why the Jews at the time were looking out for a leader to come and rid them of the Roman Yoke, and why Herod had all the babies killed.

The Christians also didn't rename the years such that jesus died in 33 AD, that was the Romans centuries later.

The number 13 is also pointed at Christianity, but consider the 12 tribes of Israel, does anybody ever go on about Jacob and his 12 sons being 13 in total, no it's just the 12 sons.

Key point I am making, if you want to spin a yarn, what you do need is a bit of truth thrown in the mix. The elite can't stand true Christianity which is why they have enmeshed all these 'meanings' behind all the numbers and symbols. Jesus probably wasn't even killed on a 'cross' either. Why would a nation kill convicted men on two bits of timber when you can kill them just as easily on one? It's so much cheaper and easier with one piece of timber. The cross is another pagan symbol of course.

Even Thickipedia hints at this - Stauros
"In ancient Greek stauros meant either an "upright pale or stake", a "cross, as the instrument of crucifixion", or a "pale for impaling a corpse".

Jesus Christ May Not Have Died on Cross One guy even wrote a thesis on this.

 

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Date: 2020-07-06 15:48:20
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Ok, from what I can tell, the original poster has not yet responded to any of the comments/questions since he/she posted, so it's a bit difficult to determine the original intent.

However, based on the title and content of the post, I'd have to say that indeed it is about "white supremacy". I think one possible reason that this terms causes so much pain and confusion is because we tend to mix it prejudice, bias, and other similar terms. The truth of the matter is that white supremacy is actually a synonym for RACISM. To understand this, we must go back to Bacon's Rebellion of 1676. For it was out of this event that the idea of race was codified into a system to separate people for the express purpose of "racial" dominance. The actual codification process was put into various laws in 1691 as mentioned by the OP. Prior to this event, the various races were more or less equal and lived according to whether they free men, women or servants (I am simplifying the groupings due to time constraints). It's a bit frustrating to see the extent to which history is being re-written currently because a big fallout from this re-write will emerge the idea that anyone can be a "racist". No, I am sorry to report and will not debate, the only people who can be racist are the creators of the system and those who defend and uphold it today.

So, what is racism/white supremacy?

It is a global system based on the ideology that people "classified" as white are superior to those people classified as non-white. The people classified as "white" have the collective social, economic and political power to effect and control the lives of the people classified as non-white. In other words, they have the ability to define and manipulate the REALITY of the people classified as non-white... THE HAVE POWER. As far as I can tell, and I could be wrong, those people classified as non-white do not have anywhere near this kind of POWER. Marching down the street screaming BLM is NOT power, that is just another example of your mind being f**ked to such an extent that you are wasting your time in the streets. Even the people in SA or any of these so-called African countries do not have FULL and complete social, political and economic power. Show me a non-white country that is truly sovereign? With regard to who gets classified as white, the original people classified as white are keen to expand the pool of "whiteness" to suit their agenda. So today, Mexicans are regularly classified as white whereas they were NOT ten years ago.

As far as the slave narrative, there is quite a bit of evidence coming out supporting that it was/is a false story created to support the agenda of the "white" supremacists. And NO, not all people classified as "white" are WHITE and or RACIST. However, every person living on the planet today that is classified as "white" has benefitted and is benefitting from the system.

This is very difficult stuff to discuss due to the lies that we have all lived with. However, if you want the TRUTH, you gotta be bold and brave. Those people we call English and Germans are principally responsible for creating and upholding the system of racism/white supremacy. Go back and study 1691 and the 19th century and you will find the evidence. They've tricked us into looking at skin tone as a key marker when in fact it is all a game of colors they created to f**k us. The so-called black people have been screwed the worst and are now being used to further f**k us and the other so-called whites are now wanting to blame the ignorant so-called blacks.

What a joke it is.

This is the official narrative that's everywhere in the media, school, movies, books, music and elsewhere in our modern society. Even us Europeans can't escape this official American narrative.
I'm mentioning this because what OP presents is not at all what people are taught about American history or the founding fathers by the official narrative.
It's worth considering that if TPTB are lying about the past, that the official American narrative is also a lie? Maybe everything they accuse others of doing, they are doing. Maybe when they talk about "white supremacy" as a means to uphold a system of power and oppression, what we ought to ask is maybe their official American narrative is creating and upholding their system of power and oppression, creating and upholding their debtbased system of slavery?
Maybe when they talk about the divide and conquer, us and them, tactics of the past, that's exactly what they're doing today?

If OP is correct, then the modern US seems to be the complete opposite of what the founding fathers intended.

 

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Date: 2020-07-06 15:59:06
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If OP is correct, then the modern US seems to be the complete opposite of what the founding fathers intended.

This is what I keep running into when I try to consider our history's narrative in some way. It's like at some point, our history/reality experienced a flip and things are now opposite of what they were before in some way....

 

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Username: Starmonkey
Date: 2020-07-06 16:12:32
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Our cognition and memories are EM in nature. If the EMF of the Earth drops too much, and it's different in different places, or the poles flip, we lose our minds. Literally. I've come across this in many stories and teachings.
Isha says in Journey (don't have copy, so can't directly quote) that only those who have gotten their selves together and above just animal existence will make it through such shifts.
Or possibly those who have climbed to the top of that heap with inarguable willpower.

 

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Date: 2020-07-06 17:42:59
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This is what I keep running into when I try to consider our history's narrative in some way. It's like at some point, our history/reality experienced a flip and things are now opposite of what they were before in some way....

If indeed there’s any truth to the Mandela Effect, it would explain what are clearly inconsistencies/contradictions between some things that can be validated and the “writings” that we have as historical record. The Mandela Effect has been on my mind a lot this weekend because it seems as if we are in the midst of a major rewrite of EVERYTHING. I therefore started to consider if we are evaluating and considering s narrative that doesn’t make sense because it’s been altered in some way. I know this may sound obvious because we know our history has been falsified. However, what if the reason we cannot make sense of the Constitution is because we are not supposed to... it’s been altered beyond the Amendments.

Could the US be the hub of a giant Mind PsyOp?

 

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Username: dejavu
Date: 2020-07-06 19:00:10
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Our cognition and memories are EM in nature. If the EMF of the Earth drops too much, and it's different in different places, or the poles flip, we lose our minds. Literally. I've come across this in many stories and teachings.
Isha says in Journey (don't have copy, so can't directly quote) that only those who have gotten their selves together and above just animal existence will make it through such shifts.
Or possibly those who have climbed to the top of that heap with inarguable willpower.

If indeed there’s any truth to the Mandela Effect, it would explain what are clearly inconsistencies/contradictions between some things that can be validated and the “writings” that we have as historical record. The Mandela Effect has been on my mind a lot this weekend because it seems as if we are in the midst of a major rewrite of EVERYTHING. I therefore started to consider if we are evaluating and considering s narrative that doesn’t make sense because it’s been altered in some way. I know this may sound obvious because we know our history has been falsified. However, what if the reason we cannot make sense of the Constitution is because we are not supposed to... it’s been altered beyond the Amendments.

Could the US be the hub of a giant Mind PsyOp?

Mandela Effect fascinates me, and cognitive and memories being EM in nature is also interesting. I don't know what we are dealing with but having evidence of history, such as documents, photos and writings, provide a moment in time that somehow keeps leading to a narrative or some interpretation that seems to change from a previously held understanding. That's why I try not to disregard anything upfront and do my best to figure out what I have presented. The phrase "history is written by the victors" came to mind. What if history is fluid - in a constant state of rewrite and we just get the version that is present in the here and now as time passes so what was there in recent time changes more and more as time passes? Which is why we may never get the truth because our truth is different from the previous truth and so on...Anyways, not trying to derail. Just something that I've considered through all of this.

 

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Date: 2020-07-06 19:15:03
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I think you

Mandela Effect fascinates me, and cognitive and memories being EM in nature is also interesting. I don't know what we are dealing with but having evidence of history, such as documents, photos and writings, provide a moment in time that somehow keeps leading to a narrative or some interpretation that seems to change from a previously held understanding. That's why I try not to disregard anything upfront and do my best to figure out what I have presented. The phrase "history is written by the victors" came to mind. What if history is fluid - in a constant state of rewrite and we just get the version that is present in the here and now as time passes so what was there in recent time changes more and more as time passes? Which is why we may never get the truth because our truth is different from the previous truth and so on...Anyways, not trying to derail. Just something that I've considered through all of this.

I think you’ve perfectly summarized the point I was attempting to make and I think it is very relevant to this thread. I’ve been racking my brains about this since I read the OP.

 

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Date: 2020-07-06 19:23:40
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I think you

I think you’ve perfectly summarized the point I was attempting to make and I think it is very relevant to this thread. I’ve been racking my brains about this since I read the OP.

Cool. At least I'm not the only one thinking this possibility. I should edit my previous statement with this:

Which is why we may never get the truth we have (our current truth) is truth, but different from the previous truth.

EDIT: That's not to say it is what's actually happening, but at least one possibility.

 

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Date: 2020-07-06 20:06:42
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Really just goes to show how every aspect of the system has been corrupted. For a LONG time. This country was obviously founded on lies, because it is NOT united.

 

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Really just goes to show how every aspect of the system has been corrupted. For a LONG time. This country was obviously founded on lies, because it is NOT united.

All of these companies like Goldman Sachs go back to the mid/late 1800s when the historical timeline was altered post reset.

 

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All of these companies like Goldman Sachs go back to the mid/late 1800s when the historical timeline was altered post reset.

Yes, but their practices go back to the Crusades or earlier with the dealings of the Templars and Hospitalers.
Politics took over religion some time ago. Wars continue destroying cultures and assimilating the spoils.
So many stories lend themselves to more scrutiny as they have been twisted and taken over. Especially those of the saints or icons. Probably almost completely opposite than what we're told. I'm sure most of those individuals, including Jesus were straight up opposed to institutions and control. ALL forms.
The beginnings of this country are no different. Mostly infighting in sure, not battles across the ocean. Absurd. Look at all of the political and religious belief systems early on that "THEY" had to stamp the hell out. Same as the STURCH.

 

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God's personality does not change.

Malachi 3:6 (KJV)
For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Hebrews 13:8 (KJV)
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Inconsistencies of God's personality in the Bible. Pro-animal abuse vs anti-animal abuse.

Leviticus 1:9 (NIV)
The priest is to burn all of it on the altar. It is a burnt offering, a food offering, an aroma pleasing to the Lord.

Isaiah 66:3 (KJV)
He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

The Bible Scriptures has been tampered with.

Jeremiah 8:8 (KJV)
How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?

Modern day Christians can't even reconcile these verses in the Bible. If we are to define what it means to be a "true" Christian, we have to do the dirty work and deal with these contradictions. And funny thing is, Sola Scriptura wasn't a Roman Catholic invention but a Protestant one.