The Founding Fathers of the United States and the Ethno Religious State

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Username: RTP now
Date: 2020-07-06 23:21:10
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I am by no means learned in religious or theological matters, but I wonder if this is why the Protestants wanted religious freedom... the freedom to tamper with the Bible and then claim it as being the infallible word after they altered it.

What are your thoughts?
 
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Username: Septimus
Date: 2020-07-06 23:39:43
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As with any movement especially religious, there will be people within who will use it as an opportunity to usurp power. I do think the Protestant movement was born out of a legitimate counter to the increasing tyranny of the papacy. You have plenty of paintings of the Waldensians who were innocently persecuted, tortured and killed by the Catholic church.

Once the Protestant movement took off as its own, you have a lot leaders themselves become just like the Catholic church they were persecuting. For example, John Calvin become basically a Protestant pope in Switzerland.
 
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Username: dejavu
Date: 2020-07-07 00:33:52
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Good references.

I believe we are trying to understand many things (ideology, constitutional language, players and powers, etc) by peeling back the layers piece by piece as things are revealed, imo. That's why I love the collaborative process - we get to tackle things with the benefit of different perspectives, backgrounds and knowledge base.

To @Starmonkey's point, these practices go back a long time, so we are dealing with long-standing political and religious issues that have been mixed and tampered with when we look at our current narrative. As you say, we can't even reconcile scriptures, but I think we are making progress, imo. At least now we know a big piece of the puzzle so we have a good starting point to work from.

For me personally, it's no longer so much about trying to identify what "true" Christianity means because the different groups/denominations all encompass differences yet remain under the umbrella of Christianity. My focus has shifted more to trying to understand the ideology behind the Founding Fathers as it relates to the OP and understanding how it influences the "People" because we are still seeing the aftermath play out in our current time as @Son of a Bor reflected in his post about the President's 4th of July speech.

It's been an interesting process so far for sure.
 
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Username: Septimus
Date: 2020-07-07 03:08:02
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There are some Bible verses which seem to support racism.

Exodus 34:12 (NIV)
Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land where you are going, or they will be a snare among you.

In this verse, it seems to esteem the Jew before the Greek.

Romans 1:16 (KJV)

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

How do you define what it means to be a Jew or Israelite?

Matthew 23:37-39 (KJV)
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. 39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Jeremiah 31:33 (NIV)
“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time,” declares the Lord. “I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts."

So it seems to be the title of a "true" Jew is not defined primarily by blood but by one's heart and actions. What actions then must one perform to be deemed worthy before God?

Matthew 22:34-40 (NIV)
35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Based on these verses, I find it very hard to believe the Bible supports racism. I wouldn't say blood or race doesn't matter at all though. For example, we have the firstborns be given preference for grafting in the Messianic lineage. However, if the firstborn is not found worthy (aka they sin), this lineage would be passed onto the subsequent sons, ie. Jacob over Esau, Isaac over Ishmael, Judah over his three older brothers and even a non-Jew Moabite Ruth.
 
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Username: Nostradennis
Date: 2020-07-07 05:23:22
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@RTP now said: "Again, here we have the following: "were the general principles of Christianity". What does this mean?

I wish I could ask John Adams this same question myself but if I could hazard a guess it would be something about the collection of principles known as the Christian Common Law.

"By the common law is sometimes understood that collection of principles, which constitutes the basis of the administration of justice in England, in contradistinction to the maxims of the Roman code, which has universally received the appellation of the civil law". (pages 5-6) https://classicapologetics.com/s/storydane.pdf

"In this country, where there is no established church, but where guarantees against an establishment and against religious preferences are found in the Federal Constitution and in every State Constitution, we would not expect to find a general acquiescence in the earlier English view. The cases are numerous where the maxim is broadly asserted upon the authority of the English precedents." Most of the States, however, have recognized that, for some purposes and in some sense at least, Christianity is a part of their common law.
(page 277) https://scholarship.law.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4290&context=penn_law_review

Hence without the protection guarantee of the "Establishment Clause" the U.S. Constitution would never have been ratified by the several states whose Christian common law was already in their state constitutions. This might explain why the Establishment Clause allows a John Adams to say; "the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion" on a federal level and also say "the Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity" on a states' level and technically avoid contradiction.

Justice Story of the Supreme Court of the United States, in giving the opinion in the case of Vidal against the Executors of Stephen Girard, sustained the position that Christianity was part of the common law “in the qualified sense, that its divine origin and truth are admitted, and therefore it is not to be maliciously and openly ridiculed and blasphemed against.”
Vidal v. Girard's Executors

"One of the beautiful boasts of our municipal jurisprudence is, that Christianity is a part of the common law, from which it seeks the sanction of its rights, and by which it endeavours to regulate its doctrines. And, notwithstanding the specious objection of one of our distinguished statesmen, the boast is as true as it is beautiful. There never has been a period, in which the common law did not recognise Christianity as lying at its foundations". -see Story, Joseph (1779-1845)

Chancellor Kent in an elaborate opinion given by him when he was Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the State of New York, held that blasphemy was a public offence and punishable by the common law of that State.

"The free, equal, and undisturbed enjoyment of religious opinion, whatever it may be, is granted and secured ; but to revile with malicious and blasphemous contempt, the religion professed by almost the whole community, is an abuse of that right. Though the constitution has discarded religious establishments, it does not forbid judicial cognizance of those offences against religion and morality, which have no reference to any such establishment, or to any particular form of government, but are punishable because they strike at the root of moral obligation and weaken the security of social ties."
(page 33-34 of antiquarian)

@Divine Wind said: "The number 13 is also pointed at Christianity, but consider the 12 tribes of Israel, does anybody ever go on about Jacob and his 12 sons being 13 in total, no it's just the 12 sons.

Jacob, as he was about to die, blessed Joseph's two sons, Manasseh and Ephraim. The blessing that Jacob gave Joseph was that Joseph's two sons would become his sons. This is why they are considered as part of the twelve sons of Jacob or his God-given name Israel. Joseph received a double blessing from Jacob, ie, Joseph = (Manasseh + Ephraim) which now brings the total to 13.

see Ephraim is the 13th tribe at link below:
E PLURIBUS UNUM & The Great Seal of America


@ScottFreeman said:
It's worse. These two 13th Amendments were from the same Constitution of the United States of (1790) and separated by twelve months. Feel free to PM if interested in more details.
 
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Username: Divine Wind
Date: 2020-07-07 11:24:11
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It appears that you can always make stuff add up to 13 then ie 12+ 2 = 13, and not 14. Why isn't Manasseh mentioned as a tribe? Maybe because it wouldn't all add up to 13?

Joseph was given the right as first born (1 Chron 5:1), therefore he was given an extra portion of land, ie to his two sons and Joseph was not included in this allotment. Therefore you must have your 13 now, right?

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The problem is that Levi wasn't given an allotment, as he had another role, so the portions of land were divided out to the number 12, ie 12- 2 (Levi and Jospeh) +2 (Ephraim and Mannaseh = 12 and not 13



This world is full of darkness, and I am not particularly religious, but I can see a dark web that has been spun here. I just don't happen to think that absolutely everything is from Babylon, although an awful lot is. The fact that all three members belonged to the American Philosophical Society (your reference) is probably the key as to why 13 is all over the Seal.


Babylon unplugged?
The Rising of the Phoenix and the New World Order
It ALL Began in BABYLON

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Scottish Rite 33rd Level Double Headed Phoenix ......... . . . . Phoenix from the Ashes



According to Manley P. Hall, 33rd Degree Freemason, what is being depicted in this most important symbol is actually a double headed phoenix, not an eagle, he says:

Among the ancients a fabulous bird called the Phoenix is described by early writers ... in size and shape it resembles the eagle, but with certain differences. The body of the Phoenix is one covered with glossy purple feathers, and the plumes in its tail are alternately blue and red. The head of the bird is light in color, and about its neck is a circlet of golden plumage. At the back of its back the Phoenix has a crest of feathers of brilliant color ... The Phoenix, it is said, lives for 500 years, and at its death its body opens and the new born Phoenix emerges. Because of this symbolism, the Phoenix is generally regarded as representing immortality and resurrection ... The Phoenix is one sign of the secret orders of the ancient world and of the initiate of those orders, for it was common to refer to one who had been accepted into the temples as a man twice-born, or reborn. Wisdom confers a new life, and those who become wise are born again. [p. p. 176-77]


The phoenix is symbolically rising out of the "ORDO AB CHAO" banner meaning "Order Out of Chaos" Which is how they intended to bring about the Luciferian system I.E. out of chaos. Read this quote from Albert Pike about the coming of the Luciferian system, note also that this symbol appears on the cover of his book "Morals and Dogma"


The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion�We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time. Pike's Letter to Mazzini



Sir Francis Bacon and the New Atlantis
The role of Francis Bacon should not be overlooked in the forming of the USA in my opinion. Is the USA the new Atlantis?

Is America The New Atlantis? And If So, Has Its Development Been “Overseen?”

"Some believe that the United States – once known as the “new world” - is the intended reincarnation of Atlantis".

"With the pilgrims, also went the old and secretive societies – the Freemasons. Some of which are said to have their roots go right the way back to ancient Egypt and Babylon. If ancient Egypt, for example, was indeed built out of the remnants of the stricken society of Atlantis following its tragic downfall, then it would make a certain amount of sense that this may be the case".

One person in particular who appears to have been very influential in the “creation” of the United States was Sir Francis Bacon, a member of such secret societies, and whose ideology on the creation of the New World appears to have very much been at the heart of the thinking minds of early America. In 1910 a Newfoundland stamp was discovered that had the statement, “Lord Bacon: the Guiding Spirit in [the] Colonization Scheme” written on it. Some even call Sir Francis Bacon “the real founding father of America”

"Thomas Jefferson, the third president of the United States even went as far as to call him (Francis Bacon) one of the three most influential people on the planet at the time.

"So with this in mind, is it possible that America is the result and end game of a master plan to create a new world with the ancient ideology of a lost one? Installed and carried out by masonic secret societies? Perhaps more interestingly, was this development of the United States overseen and influenced? And if so, was this to assist the alleged secret societies in carrying out their plans, or to guard against them"?

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A work unfinished?

Francis Bacon's New Atlantis: Summary & Analysis | SchoolWorkHelper

"In Bacon’s NEW ATLANTIS, religion plays an important role. However, it is a role of cover-up. It covers up the true idea that Bacon is trying to get across – science as the new civil religion. Although he relegated religion into a realm of its own outside of and different from philosophy, he held that there were religious laws that man must obey whether or not they appeared reasonable. By freeing theology and philosophy, Bacon was able to shape philosophy so that it might undertake an unbiased study of the universe. This left man subject to the will of God and thereby shorn of his freedom. It is obvious that this creation could not long satisfy the thinking mind as it was far too contradictory. The laymen have a genuine thirst for knowledge yet they cannot know what is uncovered either by religion or by science".
Francis Bacon’s New Atlantis: Summary & Analysis

Maybe Francis Bacon is why the American Philosophical Society was so named, and if according to Jefferson who founded this organisation, Bacon was so important, maybe Bacon's philosophies were heavily imprinted into the constitution, and the seals of the USA.
 
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Username: dejavu
Date: 2020-07-07 13:26:51
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Yes! I think you are onto something here. In my most recent post about the E Pluribus Unum, I noticed a connection with that society, so this may be a key clue. Awesome.
 
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You’ve provided lots of valuable material for consideration but I want to start with this piece here on science and point out that to Bacon and all the other high initiates/magicians, science is magic because as Arthur C. Clarke said: “any technology that is sufficiently developed, is indistinguishable from MAGIC”. In the days of Bacon, science was Alchemy and he was considered an advanced Alchemist. I’ve not read the book you reference, but I am generally familiar with him and his work.

Yes, he is a key figure in the splitting the various areas of knowledge into separate disciplines with the explicit purpose to hide the truth from the masses.
With regard to the land of ISRAEL as per the map and the division and apportionment to the Sons, I do not think that the geographical map as depicted is the true land. I think that is used as a “place-holder” for teaching purposes. The land of ISRAEL as depicted was really the entire planet... the current controllers see themselves as the Chosen People and have divided the world for their control according to that narrative/mythology. If there is any basis of truth for the scattering of the 12 tribes, I highly doubt that it has anything to do with the current controllers.

It seems that they are using the true science and levels of historical truth to rule this realm.
 
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Username: Columbo
Date: 2020-07-07 19:04:11
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This:
Reminds me of a post I made on another thread: The Coup of 1787
 
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Username: Son of a Bor
Date: 2020-07-07 20:54:51
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I just saw this interview with ex-CIA agent, David Steele. Basically, the counter-history he tells is the same as that told by many on this forum. He is optimistic. America is crazy. If any place and people are gonna make a difference and turn this even more crazy world around, it may well be the USA. Really, I wish all the myths were true. But......everyone in the know knows, much if not everything we write herein. Holy Cow!

I couldn’t even understand this stuff until I started reading here and elsewhere. Thank you all -- including of course @Nostradennis .

go to about 18:00 for the thumbnail history
 
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Username: SuperTrouper
Date: 2020-07-07 22:27:49
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Those who rule without governing are neatly playing the divide et impera game, demonstrated by increasingly polarising divisions in politics, society, economy, etc. Turning the ship around will require looking beyond illusory divisions.
 
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Username: Starmonkey
Date: 2020-07-07 23:36:41
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Yes. For EVERYONE. No matter where you are.
Don't worry, I know what to do. Funk is going to save the world, I knew it!
Big dance party. We'll teach some of you clubbers how to REALLY dance.
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Make it FUNKY
 
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There is more to the link above that is worth reading.

Francis Bacon and Atlantis
"Francis Bacon was the founder of the modern scientific method. The focus on the new scientific method is on orderly experimentation. For Bacon, experiments that produce results are important. Bacon pointed out the need for clear and accurate thinking, showing that any mastery of the world in which man lives was dependent upon careful understanding. This understanding is based solely on the facts of this world and not as the ancients held it in ancient philosophy.

This new modern science provides the foundation for modern political science. Bacon’s political science completely separated religion and philosophy. For Bacon, nothing exists in the universe except individual bodies. Although he did not offer a complete theory of the nature of the universe, he pointed the way that science, as a new civil religion, might take in developing such a theory.

Bacon divided theology into the natural and the revealed. Natural theology is the knowledge of God which we can get from the study of nature and the creatures of God. Convincing proof is given of the existence of God but nothing more. Anything else must come from revealed theology. Science and philosophy have felt the need to justify themselves to laymen. The belief that nature is something to be vexed and tortured to the compliance of man will not satisfy man nor laymen. Natural science finds its proper method when the ‘scientist’ puts Nature to the question, tortures her by experiment and wrings from her answers to his questions. The House of Solomon is directly related to these thoughts. “It is dedicated to the study of Works and the Creatures of God” (Bacon, 436). Wonder at religious questions was natural, but, permitted free reign, would destroy science by absorbing the minds and concerns of men.

The singular advantage of Christianity is its irrationality. The divine soul was a matter for religion to handle. The irrational soul was open to study and understanding by man using the methods of science. The society of the NEW ATLANTIS is a scientific society. It is dominated by scientists and guided by science. Science conquers chance and determines change thus creating a regime permanently pleasant. Bensalem, meaning “perfect son” in Hebrew, has shunned the misfortunes of time, vice and decay. Bensalem seems to combine the blessedness of Jerusalem and the pleasures and conveniences of Babylon. In Bacon’s NEW ATLANTIS, the need for man to be driven does not exist. Scarcity is eliminated thereby eliminating the need for money. “But thus, you see, we maintain a trade, not for gold, silver or jewels… nor for any other commodity of matter, but only for God’s first creature which was light” (Bacon, 437). This shows a devotion to truth rather than victory and it emphasizes the Christian piety to which the scientist is disposed by virtue of his science.

As man observes and brings the fruits of his observations together, he discover likeness’ and differences among events and objects in the universe. In this way he will establish laws among happenings upon which he can base all subsequent action. Bacon realized that sometimes religious ideas and the discoveries of nature and careful observations were contradictory but he argued that society must believe both. The NEW ATLANTIS begins with the description of a ship lost at sea. The crew “lift up their hearts and voices to God above, who showeth his wonders in the deep, beseeching him of his mercy” (Bacon, 419). Upon spotting land and discerning natives the sailors praise God. When a boarding party comes to their ship to deliver messages, none of the natives speak. Rather, the messages are delivered written on scrolls of parchment. The parchment is “signed with a stamp of cherubins’ wings… and by them a cross” (Bacon, 420). To the sailors, the cross was “a great rejoicing, and as it were a certain presage of good” (Bacon, 420). After the natives leave and return to the ship, they stop and ask “Are ye Christians?” (Bacon, 421).

When the sailors confirm that they are, they are taken to the island of Bensalem. On Bensalem, the sailors are ‘confined’ to their resting place and are attended to according to their needs. The sailors reply, “God surely is manifested in this land” (Bacon, 424). Upon talking to the governor the next day, he exclaims “Ye knit my heart to you by asking this question, [the hope that they might meet heaven], in the first place, for it showeth that you first seek the kingdom of heaven” (Bacon, 427). This is not true. The sailors have already sought food, shelter and care of the sick. In other words, they had sought self preservation. As Bacon put it, “they had already prepared for death” (Bacon, 419). After the Feast of the Family, the father of Salomon’s House has a conference with the travelers. The father says, “I will give the greatest jewel that I have. For I will impart to thee… a relation of the true state of Salomon’s House” (Bacon, 447). The greatest ‘jewel’ is not one of monetary value but of knowledge.

The father continues, “The End of our Foundation is the Knowledge of Causes and secret motion of things, and the enlarging of the bounds of Human Empire, to the affecting of all things possible” (bacon, 447). This is the turning point from religion to science and science becoming the new civil religion. From this comes the ability of human rule over Nature. It was stated before that they were interested in “God’s first creature which was light” (Bacon, 437). This contradicts an earlier statement that “It is dedicated to the study of Works and Creatures of God” (Bacon, 436). The former obviously an indication to science as the latter is to religion.

Bacon stresses the importance of ‘light’ as the precursor of ‘fruit’ to suggest that they are following the divine instrument. There are two images used by Bacon to refer to knowledge, torture and light. The torture refers to the violent twisting of nature’s secrets. Nature must be conquered but is not adverse to the conquest. The forces of Nature are against us, but in a rather passive manner. Light, on the other hand, is the meaning for natural philosophy. From Salomon’s house there go forth ‘merchants of light’ and ‘lamps’. Light is identified with truth. Supposing that light is symbolic of natural philosophy, then it dismisses the case of light being divine philosophy. The light in Bacon is primarily the light of Nature. The obvious contrast here is one between “gold and silver and light” (Bacon, 437). Light, here is noble where gold and silver are base. The ‘noble light’ is for the beneficence of all man. Bacon took the modern spirit and weaved them together so as to suggest a method by which man could master the universe. He did this to the end that he might exhibit therein a model or description of a college instituted for the interpreting of nature and the producing of great works for the benefit of man.

The island community of Bensalem also has “two long and fair galleries” (Bacon, 456). In one gallery the native place all manner of patterns and samples of rare and excellent inventions. In the other gallery are placed statues of inventors. It is interesting to note here that while the island and its natives act in “so civil a fashion” (Bacon, 423) in professing to be Christian and religious that they place science so high on their list. Science is placed so high that instead of having statues of God and his works, they erect statues of inventors of the
western world thereby showing their commonness and baseness to human preservation. They do, however, have “certain hymns and services, which (we) say daily, of laud and praise to God for his marvelous works” (Bacon, 457). But, even this is done “for the illumination of (their) labors and the turning of them into good and holy uses” (Bacon, 457). The statues are erected to the memory of what the natives consider most important for in Bacon, the scientists are a consecrated priesthood".


Control of the World
There might have been a planned take-over of the world many centuries ago, but it wouldn't have been from the normal Jews. The key to your over-latching timeline probably lies with the Phoenicians, and their ports adjacent to ancient Israel. The Phoenicians no doubt traded with some Israelites, and that is where the ties were first forged IMO.

If you doubt the scattering of the tribes, and wealth, you would need to explain what the details are on the Arch of Titus, built immediately after 70 AD, and the timing of the scattering. (note the last scattering was effectively only 2 tribes)

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As I see it, the overarching control from the PTB has only come together in the last 200 years, in fact it was spawned since the real 1776 event. The PTB are a wider collection than most imagine, there is no way that such a small group could control the world without the dark Roman Catholic heirarchy. Therefore to my mind the PTB include the dark side of the RC church and collaborators like the famous crime families and organisations.

The 1774 event is also crucial to the total control. In that year Pope Clement 14th was assasinated by the Jesuit Order, and a Black Pope was installed. He had dissolved the Order the year before. Here are Pope Clements' dying thoughts.

“Alas, I knew they [i.e., the Jesuits] would poison me; but I did not expect to die in so slow and cruel a manner.” (Pope Clement XIV 1774)

Therefore, it appears that there was a struggle against the jesuit Order, an internal battle that was lost was lost in 1774, and possibly why the RC church has remained a place of darkness till this day.

Some other incredible quotes here including John Adams' quote is interesting to say the least.
Jesuit Order All Roads Lead to the Black Pope – The Millennium Report


“My history of the Jesuits is not eloquently written, but it is supported by unquestionable authorities, [and] is very particular and very horrible. Their [the Jesuit Order’s] restoration [in 1814 by Pope Pius VII] is indeed a step toward darkness, cruelty, despotism, [and] death. … I do not like the appearance of the Jesuits. If ever there was a body of men who merited eternal damnation on earth and in hell, it is this Society of [Ignatius de] Loyola.”
– John Adams (1735-1826; 2nd President of the United States)

Therefore, some of the key dates are.
1774 Black Pope becomes ruler of the Catholic church
1776 Adam Weishapt forms his order
1789 French Revolution
1814 'Restoration' of the Jesuit Order
1815 Take-over of the Bank of England
1913 Federal Reserve
1917 Russian Revolution
1945 United Nations


So, it has only been since 1815 that the largest bank in the world was under control of the Elites. Align this with the take-over at the top of the RC Church by the Jesuits, and you have a very powerful group, a group that also has collaborators IMO. Question, who are the Bankers for the Vatican these days?

One thing that is unique today, is that we now have a Jesuit Pope (the white one), and a Jesuit President of the US. Where is all this going?


Hopefully, these 2 illustrations will give the general direction
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Username: Starmonkey
Date: 2020-07-08 12:39:43
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Growing up in Iowa, I was aware of the Amish. Lots could be said about them...
I've been wondering if any of these older established groups have stories to share. Especially since they effectively removed themselves from engaging in most of the drama.
 
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Username: Divine Wind
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This is a fascinating link with some details I have never heard of. It all seems to connect though.


The Jesuits Helped Found America, To Use It As Their War Machine
The Jesuits Helped Found America, To Use It As Their War Machine

The Jesuits were integral in the founding of the United States of America, even signing the founding documents.

The Jesuits were integral in the donation of the land for the capital, which was on a land that used to be called Rome by the previous owner, Francis Pope; and in the states of VIRGINia and MARYland.

The Jesuits were involved in the design of District of Columbia, with all of its Masonic/Satanic symbols; such as the upside-down pentagram, the Freemasonry compass, the owl, etc.; all of which attracts Satanic energy into D.C.

The Jesuits setup educational institutions, such as Georgetown University; to shape the minds of Americans, and to find people to use for their agenda.

The Jesuit caused the Civil War to bankrupt the United States Of America; which lead to the treasonous congressional Act of 1871, which created a new entity called the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, which is a city-state corporation, which has a new Constitution.

The Jesuits fulfilled their evil Jesuit Oath, by killing Presidents John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Monroe, William Henry Harrison, Zachary Taylor, Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy; who had stood up to them.

The Jesuits caused the stock market crash of 1929, so that they could have their people buy up the corporations for pennies on the Dollar.

The Jesuits caused the Titanic (actually it was the RMS Olympic) to sink, killing Benjamin Guggenheim, Isador Strauss, and John Jacob Astor; who were very wealthy and opposed the creation of the Federal Reserve Bank.

The Jesuit setup their IRS, which was never ratified by all of the states; to collect interest on their Federal Reserve Notes.

The Jesuits use the Rothschild’s, Rockefellers, etc; to steal the wealth of Americans via the Federal Reserve Bank, money printing and inflation; through fractional reserve lending; through stock market manipulation, etc.

The Jesuit’s setup the CIA, the Catholic Intelligence Agency; not to protect Americans, but to protect the Jesuits.

The Jesuits use over 50% of the U.S. budget for their war machine; which recently helped them take control of Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya. This is why Syria, Iran and North Korea, are being demonized by American leaders, as they have not bowed down to the authority of the Jesuit General, and do not have a Jesuit-Rothschild central bank.

At the end of the day, the script is very simple; In order for the Jesuit General to control every country in his One World Government, they need to control the money supply of every country.

The Jesuits use the District of Columbia as their war machine, to carry out their agenda, to push the world into their One World Government; and no doubt, to enforce the mark of the beast.

They steal the wealth of Americans via their Federal Reserve Bank, their illegal IRS, through manipulation of the stock market, through fractional reserve lending, etc.

They use the money to fund the military of their Zionist Israel, to control the Middle East.

They use the money to fund the massive war machine, which now has 900 military bases in 153 countries.

They use the money to fund, train and arm ISIS rebels; as they are not fighting for Islam or Mohammed, but for the agenda of the Jesuits of Rome.

During the past 30 years, the District of Columbia has spent 14 trillion dollars on wars. Who paid for all of that? American taxpayers. America is the engine that drives the machine.

The Jesuits of Rome control America, so it may appear that it is the beast, but it is only the tool of the Jesuits to carry out their Inquisition, to push the world into their One World Government, and to enforce the mark of the beast.

Even Thickipedia hints at some of these connections above

A descendant of Bonaparte set up the FBI
Charles Joseph Bonaparte - Wikipedia

This chap set up the OSS, the most decorated man in US history, why so ?
William J. Donovan - Wikipedia

Spin doctor of Founding fathers? - a wealthy Jesuit
John Carroll (archbishop of Baltimore) - Wikipedia



The Grand Design Exposed
"The Grand Design Exposed" by John Daniel
Another very interesting Read, snippet below - Everything that happened was planned

CHAPTER 16 BIRTH OF AMERICA-ORCHESTRATED AND CELEBRAIED BY CHURCH OF ROME FREEDOM FOR CATHOLICISM TO FLOURISH TOP GOAL
"Biding her time for a global holy war, the whole world isbeing set up for a massive purging, and sadly, America has beenchosen to do the work. And by that same system of Babylonian Romanism that brought on the religious terrors of Europe of not too long ago, that were so blood curdlingly real, parexcellence, with its Crusades, Inquisition, and instruments andtribunals of torture. No other organization in all of knownhistory has ever employed such continued methods of crueltyand barbarity. And they were implemented many years beforethere were people known as'Protestants'. Terrifying people outof their wits as a means to keep them docile and adhered to herabsurd false doctrines, cries loudly that something is terriblywrong. No wonder she can boast to be the largest religion inthe world. She exercises control over her victims either bysuperstitious bondage or stark terror! And Romanism has theutmost advantage - teaching that it is not morally wrong todeceive, brutally kiIl and butcher to accomplish her goals. Notonly true followers of Christ, but most of humanity, can't evenbegin to comprehend such cruelty, and are horrified to believethat you have to whip and terroruze another into submission inorder to keep them in the fold. Our Lord never so much as hinted
at such a practice. Tlo systematically torture another humanbeing, is nothing less than Satanic.

The terrified people that were fleeing the EuropeanContinent en masse, were fleeing the oppressions andpersecutions of Romanism. Even the afflicted people of Englandwho were fleeing to America, were fleeing from nothing lessthan a Church that had inherited and retained all the corrupt doctrines and severe intolerance from the Mother Church ofRome; but denied the pope as its head. Can it be conceived byany stretch of the imagination, that the ragged, tattered, tired,frozen, shoeless, feet bleeding soldiers of George Washington,defending what they believed to be the liberty and freedomestablished by their forefathers, who had fled the terrors ofRomanism in the OId World would have so severely sufferedand died for the detestable purpose of reestablishing Romanismin the New World - unless they had been coerced or deceivedinto believing otherwise??

The American people were lied to and deceived right fromthe outset. The issue of independence was advocated by nob ody,and a little earlier John Adams said that it would not have beensafe even to discuss it. But as Patriots gained control, colonists were bullied into accepting separation from England, or literallylosing all they had ever worked for and being chased out of thecountry. For the majority of colonists, even though they loved England, there really was no choice; they had to stay. Everycalculated move of the Patriots was done with caution. Eachstep had to be developed, before going on to the next. This keptthe American people deceived of their true intentions, tocompletely separate from England. This wa!, the generalpopulation stayed calm with the least amount of opposition.That is, until another crisis could be provoked, giving thepropagandists new material to work with, so to clamor againstabuses, and for giving support anew in favor of total separationfrom such a tyrant as Mother England.

The idea of establishing a Catholic colony among theProtestant North American colonies, with the intention of laterseparati.g it from England, was more than just a suspicion, as far back as year 1630, when the First Lord Baltimore George Calvert and the ]esuits began scheming for the Catholic Maryland colony. As briefly mentioned in Chapter L3,page239, the suspicion was so great and so real at the time, that aconvincing answer of rebuttal had to be given to it beforei theemigrants could leave England. As doggedly as the ]esuits worked to subvert and reestablish the Roman Church in thenation of England, there can be no doubt that it was alwaystheir full intention to do the same also in England's NorthAmerican colonies. That's pure logic. And as obvious proof, inspite of the colonies being adamantly Protestant, who were ruledby the mother country who was also rigidly Protestant, the ]esuits relentlessly pursued to establish themselves, not just inMaryland, but Pennsylvania and New York, or anywhere elsethey could get a foothold. Freedom to function and flourish hasalways been to the ]esuits and the wealthy Catholic nobility anabsoiute top priority goat - bar everything else.

But the reality was, fuII freedom for Catholics to function inthe colonies just could never happen without constantobstructions, so long as they were under England's rule. The solution then, was to prod a movement that 'appeared' to bemotivated by the Protestant colonists; that would cleanlyseparate them from the mother country. This was just the typeof work Freemasonry was meant to do. And so well was this'appearance' accomplished, that Protestant colonials didn't evenknow what was happening even at the time of the Revolution- and very few know yet, even today. Because the true motivehas been erased from history, the real perpetrators go unknown.It is only by recognizing that the American Revolution was Roman Catholic and Iesuit inspir€d, who worked through Freemasonry, as bizarre as that may sound today, do you graspthe full significance of the many elusive and strange improprieties that seemed to occur during those times.
 
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Username: Dielectric
Date: 2020-07-14 01:53:51
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Who wrote the Bills of Rights? James Madison: The hell you say?

Madison did not write the Bills of Rights.

The most important legal document ever written is the American Bills of Rights.
Yet Morris can't even correctly identify whom the author is~

We weren't born with the U.S. Federal Constitution and for good reason.
The two most important people aren't even mentioned and they are Gouverneur Morris and George Mason. They are the most important because what they wrote is what still applies.

Gouverneur Morris, whom penned the preamble to the U.S. Constitution in the last 15 minutes of the Constitutional Convention as recorded in Madison's Secret Notes is one, and the other is the man whom wrote The Bills of Rights, which are the work of George Mason and where adapted from Virginia's Declaration of Rights. Virginia Constitutional Convention on June 12, 1776 adopted Masons' work and these are the original source from which the later 10 bills of rights were added on to the U.S. Federal Constitution. They were added because the Federal Constitution was repeatedly rejected by almost every single state.

Remember, The United States of American began with Articles of Confederation. We did not begin with the Constitution.


What is a Bill? In the vernacular of the day a bill is a law. Today a bill is a proposition to create or amend a law. The Bills of Rights are the legal foundation for the legitimate authority of our government and from which all other laws must comply. They can neither be modified nor abolished by any lawful means other than the abolishment of the government by public plebiscite.

The Constitution is nothing but an description of the mechanism by which a governmental system operates and nothing more. It is for that very reason that the Constitution was repeatedly rejected by every state save one, and it's why there are so-called amendments which were added on to it in the form of the Bills of Rights.

The only thing between you and complete corporate dictatorship, between you and the likes of Bill Gates, Zuckerberg, and Bezo's is what's left of the Bills of Rights.

The Bills of Rights are the Supreme Laws of the People. They are not the laws of the legislators, they are laws which the people insisted upon, and any violation of those laws is by definition an act of either sedition and or high treason.

The preamble is the second most important part to the U.S. Constitution. It lays down in no uncertain terms whom the government is to serve. We the people are the lawful rulers, and the government is our government, and any attack upon the government by violence is an act of war. If done by a citizen it is an act of high treason. The punishment for which is death. Period.

Evidently a few jerk's with way too much money, too little brains, and whom also evidently failed civic's have forgotten that fact.

* Notes: Gouverneur Morris was once the richest man in America. He died penniless in a gutter, and he probably died penniless for scribbling the preamble to the Federal Constitution.

For those interested recommend reading.

James Madison's notes of debates in the Federal convention of 1787 and their relation to a more perfect society of nations : Scott, James Brown, 1866-1943 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Read Historical Arguments in this brief on Forrest McDonald which will begin to show you examples of "Who's Who" in American History. That is, who is important and why. Forrest McDonald an authority. Slaves to be counted as equal to 3/5th's of a free man. Women are chairs and cows are chattle. All the good stuff and who's to blame for it.
Forrest McDonald - Wikipedia
E pluribus unum: the formation of the American Republic, 1776-1790 : McDonald, Forrest : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive



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Username: whitewave
Date: 2020-07-16 10:14:15
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@Hovdenes, "Now, until someone shows me in the Bible, or anywhere in all Scripture, that I, or anybody, doesn't have the right to their own homogeneous people, culture, society, and nation (or even personal preference itself), then I'm still going to prefer English-speaking, Christian European-descended peoples and cultures."

There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male and female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus. (Gal. 3:28)


That said, Hovdenes is correct in saying that globally, whites are a minority but I'm wondering if there was, at some point in history, a dominant white culture? The reason I ask is that, with our current narrative at least (which was written by the victors), whites seem to have been conquerers and invaders wherever they went but they were also civilization builders.

(Suspect) history tells us that when the invading conquerers showed up somewhere they had to tell the indigenous people to stop practicing cannibalism, stop sacrificing their children to rocks, stop burning alive their 12 year old brides when their 90 year old husbands died, stop crippling their women with footbinding practices, etc.

Also curious is the reaction of South American people when the conquistadors showed up. They welcomed the whites, thinking them to be the gods of old who had built their civilization. Normally people equate their gods as being their same color.
Did a white culture build the Mayan and Aztec civilizations?

Also, I don't remember if it's the Navajo or Hopi that have a legend of a "white brother" who will save them in the end times. Did they encounter technologically advanced whites in their past?

Personally, I think skin pigmentation (or lack of it) is about the stupidest hill ever to die on and it's not color that divides us but ideology. Different cultures have different ideologies. I think we just need to find a common ground and stick to that.
Galatians chapter 3 is a common ground, or if you don't like the bible, there's the commonality of being American.

Whatever the intentions of the constitutional framers and forefathers, they DID give us a Constitution acknowledging our equality. I hope we can overcome the flaws of our forebears and move past the sins of our past to live in that equality.
 
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Username: dejavu
Date: 2020-07-16 13:02:13
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I can’t speak to everything in the post but I do think it does come down to ideology, and like you, I hope at this point we can come to some sort of common ground and stop the division and wounds that come as a result of it. I would like to think we can co-exist through a mutual appreciation of all peoples and have genuine love and care for each other as a whole. That’s my hope and prayer.
 
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Username: Septimus
Date: 2020-07-16 13:28:34
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The funny thing is, in every non-white race, they have their own internal caste system based of lightness of skin. The Asians value pure white skin above all, considering it higher class and representing purity. They look down on their more tanned brothers. And Indian, Hispanic and Black cultures do the same.

I need to preface that I am not white (somehow that gives me more credibility and impunity).
 
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