The Third Reich - Part 1

[freygeist]

Update: This thread seems to be going deeper into a toxic politically-oriented hole. I don't like this and won't participate in it any longer. I'm absolutely not interested in all these pointless arguments, nor in giving any kind of further evaluations of the 2nd world war, which is a very sensitive and controversial topic, both in terms of moral and legal side of the question. And I would also like to warn other people to beware of possible instigators who purposefully heat up the conversation in order to provoke other people and learn about their (possibly hidden) political views.

I understand your reaction, but it would be a shame in further parts as your input is most valuable! Your theory is spot on, and further parts will be about backing it up!
If i can prove at least to some extent through the revisionist and academic literature, that Hitler was not an agent of the masons/illuminati, or it simply doesn't make sense, your theory is on even more solid ground, but for that i have to get through the most controversial parts first.

P.S. Another reason why i think this whole "Hitler is same bloodline as every other bad guy", without any differentiation, is detrimental to our research, because it diminishes the fact, that there were two opposing forces.
Just one example, even if most important members of the nazis were jewish or freemasons, or whatever, does is change the fact, that there were two sides fundamentally opposed to each other?
If Hitler was part of the cabal, then there isn't anything more to say deeper about it, he was just another scumbag like Stalin, Roosevelt, all the same clique.
We don't need to ask ourselves, why there were two forces, where did they came from, and how do they relate to the fall of the old world. Its just all the same. That's why i think this is another modern ploy to veil the truth about our history.

 

[SonofaBor]

Trivia question: Was the Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg event a false flag?

 

[6079SmithW]

Just to compound this issue further, we all keep refering to the British powers and the German powers....

Well, after learning lots over the years from historians like Wilson and Blackett...

It's the German royals (Coburg Gothas) that run Britain, not the real Brits (Welsh).

So were the Germans (British royals) fighting themselves?

Edit to correct typo

 

[Catalyst]

Update: This thread seems to be going deeper into a toxic politically-oriented hole. I don't like this and won't participate in it any longer. I'm absolutely not interested in all these pointless arguments, nor in giving any kind of further evaluations of the 2nd world war, which is a very sensitive and controversial topic, both in terms of moral and legal side of the question. And I would also like to warn other people to beware of possible instigators who purposefully heat up the conversation in order to provoke other people and learn about their (possibly hidden) political views.

I understand your reaction, but it would be a shame in further parts as your input is most valuable! Your theory is spot on, and further parts will be about backing it up!
If i can prove at least to some extent through the revisionist and academic literature, that Hitler was not an agent of the masons/illuminati, or it simply doesn't make sense, your theory is on even more solid ground, but for that i have to get through the most controversial parts first.

P.S. Another reason why i think this whole "Hitler is same bloodline as every other bad guy", without any differentiation, is detrimental to our research, because it diminishes the fact, that there were two opposing forces.
Just one example, even if most important members of the nazis were jewish or freemasons, or whatever, does is change the fact, that there were two sides fundamentally opposed to each other?
If Hitler was part of the cabal, then there isn't anything more to say deeper about it, he was just another scumbag like Stalin, Roosevelt, all the same clique.
We don't need to ask ourselves, why there were two forces, where did they came from, and how do they relate to the fall of the old world. Its just all the same. That's why i think this is another modern ploy to veil the truth about our history.

Well, frankly speaking, I like the fact that topics like this emerge and when the traditional mainstream view is questioned. And I'm glad it was cleaned a bit so we don't have to get into heated political debates with untrustworthy people. But for now, unfortunately, I really don't have anything else valuable to say. Though I have some material that I would like to share soon, partially related to this whole topic. It is quite unusual, and very few people have probably heard of it. But it's relatively short, and not my original finding (it will be a translation of one article in Russian).

And concerning controversial topics, I would like to point out again - be very careful about what you write/post and say. There is no such a thing as anonymity in internet in 2021. Everything is controlled and recorded, and will be used against you if/when there will be such a need (I hope you understand what I mean).

 

[matematik]

So were the Germans (British royals) fighting themselves?

Changing their name to Windsor during WW1 is also very suspicious, presumably done to prevent people asking that question.
I also find it strange why the English are treated as a separate group to the Germanics, against the linguistic and genetic evidence.

The vast majority of English people would not regard WW1 and WW2 as fratricidal wars because they don't see themselves as having any connection to Germany. I don't know whether most Germans would see it in the same way or not.

 

[Sasyexa]

This topic is this bloated by design. A pivotal historical moment, when attempted to be explored, traps people in researching only this topic. A sort of gatekeeper to all the SH stuff.
I exclude the freemasonic connection with NSDAP because of their later actions:
Destructions of all the lodges they could get their hands on
~200000 masons killed in the war (including 2 Rothschilds)
Rejection of the global banking system
Anti-masonic propaganda in France
Their ties with the Vatican (Catholics and Freemasons vehemently hate each other, despite being two sides of the same coin).
I don't know the extent to which they were aligned though. Considering the things expressed by @Catalyst
Their Christianity reforms, resurrection of old holidays, Muslims in the army, rejection of Christianity by Himmler (It probably was in favor of views expressed by this book, which is often called Himmler's bible. I've heard their expeditions in Asia involved finding Finda's tomb and that it was found).
Also comes into question the Vatican itself. Pope Pius XII was Hitler's ally, and after his death the agenda of Roman Catholic Church started to resemble the Illuminati one. So was it 100% the same as the 16th(?) century Vatican? This I don't know.
I'm also interested in the truthfulness of the Slav narrative. I know about Hitler's negative stance, but the ideology considered them Aryan too. German army is remembered fondly in Ukraine, not so much in Belarus. Is it just the later propaganda or actual deliberate atrocities with the purpose to further destroy Slavic history? I don't know this too
Anyway, good post, OP
May this site not be shoa'd/further gaslighted/trolled/derailed/diluted/slided. This topic tends to do it, after all

 

[matematik]

German army is remembered fondly in Ukraine, not so much in Belarus. Is it just the later propaganda or actual deliberate atrocities with the purpose to further destroy Slavic history? I don't know this too

The conflict between Russia and Ukraine seems to have something to do with this as well. I've heard Russian nationalists say that Ukraine is an artificial nation created by Germany in the early 1900s, presumably to weaken Russia, whereas I've heard Ukrainian nationalists say that Ukraine is the true successor to the Kievan Rus and it's Russia that is the artificial nation.

 

[freygeist]

There is now also a video of the text available, produced and narrated by @Ponygirl, who had the idea of making a video, so i really want to thank her for doing this! She is planning to do the next parts also, and they will be added to the OP of each parts.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ_z9Vtdhyo

 

[dreamtime]

mirrored


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9auedfkPF4M
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[luddite]

@freygeist and @Ponygirl I commend you both on a job well done. I watched this today and was very impressed and look forward to the next installments!

 

[Roxy]

I'm sorry but I can't find what PTB stands for??? Can someone please fill me in ? Thank you

 

[Jd755]

I'm sorry but I can't find what PTB stands for??? Can someone please fill me in ? Thank you

Powers That Be

 

[huskofahuman]

In my eyes clearly, what's happening is an Asiatic takeover of Europe which has been happening for a very long time. The masonic temples are sometimes named Grand lodge of the Orient, for instance, I don't know of any that are actually called Grand Lodge of the Occident. Muslims and the Golden Horde have been trying to take over Europe for a very long time, as well as the Persian Empire. Who is to say that hasn't continued since the Persian times, what we've been seeing may be a continuation. The whole thing with Bulgaria not accepting migrants and Muslims is very suspicious as well, they are part of the EU also but they seem to have a leverage power that goes along with the whole plan of whatever is going on. Victor Orban would have been assassinated by now if he weren't working for the power structure. Then we have the oddity of Kazahkstan with all its new buildings and statues which look inspired by Freemasonry. With the massive slave trades of the past going on, I don't see it out of the picture to breed with people who might be your enemy to disguise yourself as a Trojan horse and then take over from within. This also brings the idea of clones into the picture. What if some of these people were some sort of clones also, genetically engineered to be a sort of Trojan horse. Empires of the past were also known to move whole populations of their enemies into other populations of their enemies to create a buffer so they would be at each other's necks and not at the true oppressor's necks.
Notice the last name of this woman.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIivq4_VSZY
Also you might know the name of the mayor in London bearing the same last name, most likely not by accident.

I find this whole thing fascinating that almost all media and sources report nothing about the migrant invasion in any western nation and how they have sewed everything up so well. Considering we have the internet, almost everyone should know about what's going on and what can happen to others in the future. In their defense, they have our militaries making themselves look like the bad guy, doing their dirty work for them, which who knows how long this may have been going on in the last 1-2,000 years.

 

[Lightseeker]

In my eyes clearly, what's happening is an Asiatic takeover of Europe which has been happening for a very long time. The masonic temples are sometimes named Grand lodge of the Orient, for instance, I don't know of any that are actually called Grand Lodge of the Occident. Muslims and the Golden Horde have been trying to take over Europe for a very long time, as well as the Persian Empire. Who is to say that hasn't continued since the Persian times, what we've been seeing may be a continuation. The whole thing with Bulgaria not accepting migrants and Muslims is very suspicious as well, they are part of the EU also but they seem to have a leverage power that goes along with the whole plan of whatever is going on. Victor Orban would have been assassinated by now if he weren't working for the power structure. Then we have the oddity of Kazahkstan with all its new buildings and statues which look inspired by Freemasonry. With the massive slave trades of the past going on, I don't see it out of the picture to breed with people who might be your enemy to disguise yourself as a Trojan horse and then take over from within. This also brings the idea of clones into the picture. What if some of these people were some sort of clones also, genetically engineered to be a sort of Trojan horse. Empires of the past were also known to move whole populations of their enemies into other populations of their enemies to create a buffer so they would be at each other's necks and not at the true oppressor's necks.
Notice the last name of this woman.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIivq4_VSZY
Also you might know the name of the mayor in London bearing the same last name, most likely not by accident.

I find this whole thing fascinating that almost all media and sources report nothing about the migrant invasion in any western nation and how they have sewed everything up so well. Considering we have the internet, almost everyone should know about what's going on and what can happen to others in the future. In their defense, they have our militaries making themselves look like the bad guy, doing their dirty work for them, which who knows how long this may have been going on in the last 1-2,000 years.

In my eyes clearly, what's happening is an Asiatic takeover of Europe which has been happening for a very long time. The masonic temples are sometimes named Grand lodge of the Orient, for instance, I don't know of any that are actually called Grand Lodge of the Occident. Muslims and the Golden Horde have been trying to take over Europe for a very long time, as well as the Persian Empire. Who is to say that hasn't continued since the Persian times, what we've been seeing may be a continuation. The whole thing with Bulgaria not accepting migrants and Muslims is very suspicious as well, they are part of the EU also but they seem to have a leverage power that goes along with the whole plan of whatever is going on. Victor Orban would have been assassinated by now if he weren't working for the power structure. Then we have the oddity of Kazahkstan with all its new buildings and statues which look inspired by Freemasonry. With the massive slave trades of the past going on, I don't see it out of the picture to breed with people who might be your enemy to disguise yourself as a Trojan horse and then take over from within. This also brings the idea of clones into the picture. What if some of these people were some sort of clones also, genetically engineered to be a sort of Trojan horse. Empires of the past were also known to move whole populations of their enemies into other populations of their enemies to create a buffer so they would be at each other's necks and not at the true oppressor's necks.
Notice the last name of this woman.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIivq4_VSZY
Also you might know the name of the mayor in London bearing the same last name, most likely not by accident.

I find this whole thing fascinating that almost all media and sources report nothing about the migrant invasion in any western nation and how they have sewed everything up so well. Considering we have the internet, almost everyone should know about what's going on and what can happen to others in the future. In their defense, they have our militaries making themselves look like the bad guy, doing their dirty work for them, which who knows how long this may have been going on in the last 1-2,000 years.

Khan is a very common surname in Asia.
More than Asiatic takeover of Europe, it is rather a islamization of Western Europe. Here in Poland I barely see any non-white foreigners, and not because I live in a small city.

Europeans for the most part don't seem interested in keeping traditions, religion and most importantly, their own nations alive. Can you blame immigrants for that? No. You can only blame those who engineered the propaganda, but also those who have let the propaganda consume their minds.

 

[huskofahuman]

Khan is a very common surname in Asia.
More than Asiatic takeover of Europe, it is rather a islamization of Western Europe. Here in Poland I barely see any non-white foreigners, and not because I live in a small city.

Europeans for the most part don't seem interested in keeping traditions, religion and most importantly, their own nations alive. Can you blame immigrants for that? No. You can only blame those who engineered the propaganda, but also those who have let the propaganda consume their minds.

Still, something doesn't add up. I think I have a pretty good idea of what's going on. Obviously, it's something that lies in the past. It just appears that the general populace hasn't kept any good intelligence from the past for them to know. The British Empire couldn't be so retarded to control so much territory and then just cede everything and fight two devastating wars. It's obvious they were set up. It's definitely an empire hopping that's taking place at the least. I think more people care but they are totally silenced and have no way to really say anything. I'm at the point I don't really care too much either. The whole media platform is totally controlled, and the people in power aren't the kindest. Santos Bonacci explains fairly well what's going on as well.
“Out of the eater, something to eat; out of the strong, something sweet.”

 

[Broken Agate]

there is one field of historic research, where the amount of contradicting data presented to us, surpasses any other event, it has to be the thematic complex of the Third Reich and Adolf Hitler.

It says something about the power of the world controllers that we know so little about something that happened less than 80 years ago. I mean, thousands of volumes have been written about WW2, yet there is still a great deal of controversy and disagreement over nearly every aspect of it. The same can be said for all of history, really; we've been told very little truth and gave to piece it together ourselves. I hated history class in school. It was so boring, and it seemed pointless to memorize all the names, dates, events, etc. Probably just as well that I wasn't that good at it, because now I have to re-learn everything, anyway.

I'm sure these belong to this thread: russian rubles with swastikas, from the year 1917, after Menshevik takeover of Czarist Russia.

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So, swastikas were used in Russia well prior to WW2? I don't remember learning of this in school, it always seemed like the swastika was used by Hitler, and teachers never explained that it was actually an ancient symbol of good fortune and prosperity, used all over the world. I didn't learn that until years after I had graduated high school.

 

[iamian36]

I'm sorry but I can't find what PTB stands for??? Can someone please fill me in ? Thank you

Powers That Be

Then we have TPTB to Rule the PTB

 

[Gladius]

The same can be said for all of history, really; we've been told very little truth and gave to piece it together ourselves. I hated history class in school. It was so boring, and it seemed pointless to memorize all the names, dates, events, etc. Probably just as well that I wasn't that good at it, because now I have to re-learn everything

As a person who was "good" at history class, I can tell you I hated it just the same. I extensively self-learned the school books during the lessons. Even for being narrative-base, some had really extraordinary writings and artist impressions - However the teachers would spend an entire year discussing the types of Greek vases,when the book has a whole Roman saga to be learned.

I recall Middle Ages classes as being entirely about putting the emphasis on how "backwarded" they were. Only the suffering and challenges of people would be described, a mere transition before the wonderful modern era.
Knowing (and believing) the narrative so well is one reason why I got attracted to alt history and why it all made sense to me very quickly.

Point is I think it's absurd to see how much TPTB invest in creating narratives, and how much their education system doesn't even give two shits about the content they provided themselves. It's as if they know it's not real, and disrespect it in a way.

WW2 wise, it mainly shows in the education system's emphasis on teaching order of battles or other statistical info, rather than understand the powers and motives at work.

 

[zwiloe]

what none of you thinks about:
maybe AH was a good...
germany was the last bulwark of europe against bolshevism.
everything you say about the 3rd reich is a lie. germany should have been destroyed before the 1st wk. see cecil rhodes. why?
it is interesting to look at the wikipedia page on Rudolf von Sebottendorf in the different languages. especially the turkish describes something completely different....
why? what does it say?
yes, there were crimes. but here look carefully: who did it and why. what were the circumstances, who was involved.
here, the german "resistance" must be looked at very closely, and also the red band. the effects were devastating.
read the following book: Roth, Heinz - Resistance in the Third Reich (1976)
Leers, Johann von - Reichsverräter 1-3
what happened after the war?
what was done with germany?
why were almost all NS persecuted and killed by the allies?
it is worth listening very carefully to the statements of whiliam toel regarding bletchely pakr.
the picture completes itself.
why did the germans get the technology for so many developments and from whom?
2014 - Valery Uvarov - On the tracks of our history [interview; video].
you forget that there is also a light side that does something....
who or what is germany to the world and why?


an was niemand vo euch denkt:
vielleicht war AH ein guter...
deutschland war das letzte bollwerk europas gegen den bolschewismus.
alles was man über das 3. reich sagt ist gelogen. deutschland sollte schon vor dem 1. WK verichtet werden. siehe cecil rhodes. warum?
es ist interessant die wikipedia seite zu Rudolf von Sebottendorf in den versciedenen sprachen anzusehen. vor allem die türkische beschreibt etwas völlig anderes....
warum? was steht denn da?
ja, es gab verbrechen. hier aber genau schauen: wer hat es getan und warum. welche umstände waren es, wer war daran beteiligt.
hier muss der deutsche "widerstand" sehr genau betrachtet werden und auch die rote kapelle. die auswirkungen waren gevierend.
folgendes buch lesen: Roth, Heinz - Widerstand im Dritten Reich (1976)
Leers, Johann von - Reichsverräter 1-3
was geschah nach dem krieg?
was wurde mit deutschland gemacht?
warum wurden fast alle NS von den allierten verfolgt und getötet?
es lohnt sich dazu die aussagen von whiliam toel in bezug auf bletchely pakr sehr genau anszuhören.
das bild vervollständigt sich.
wieso haben die deutschen die technologie für so viele entwicklungen bekommen und von wem?
2014 - Valery Uvarov - Auf den Spuren unserer Geschichte [interview; Video]
ihr vergesst, dass es auch eine lichte seite gibt, die etwas tut...
wer oder was ist deutschland für die welt und warum?

 

[Promethium]

Anywhere and everywhere since the time this world was created there has been only one order, one ruler and one plan in action which continues to this day and will continue until the end of this world. All these "regimes" all these brands and labels are nothing but political entertainment used as entourage to this older. People placed in positions of influence were there only because they were a part of the plan, all of it completely controlled and without any other intention but to further the plan forward.

Anyone who is looking at history from some sort of a romantic or sentimental perspective is simply entertaining himself with fantasies which feed some sort of a belief which was carefully fed to him by the handlers of human stock. There were never any great heroes of the people. Anyone who was painted as one, either by official media or the renegades, in reality wasn't anything but a character created on paper for mass consumption. In reality none of them were of any significance either to the people or the system itself. They simply did what they were told and if they refused to do it for some reason, then they would be replaced by someone who wouldn't refuse.

Glorifying historical figures is nothing but playing right into the hands of the plan. They need you to have idols, they need you to have dreams and hope. They want you to think about some sort of an ideal life that could have been but never came, because "enemies were always at the gates" and the "great hero" was always trying to defend against them, leading the people into the battle. But the hero according to the plan always falls and the imposter always rises and gets all the praise. In reality it's just a show. Circus. Everyone is an actor. Everything is scripted. For one reason - to keep the people cheering for the show, so they would be mesmerized by the show and never walk away from it to see what's going on outside the theater. Actually whoever tries to walk away.. usually ends up persecuted or dead.

So, for as long as you play their game, as long as you spend hundreds of hours circle jerking one of these "hero" themes or trying to imagine how it could have been if something you believe in was the mainstream, for so long the system will remain undisturbed. They want you to research their history. They want you to pick a side and spend your life cheering for it, because all of it is a part of the show. Everyone is a part of the show as long as you play it by their rules.

System doesn't care for people, it only cares for the actors, making sure everyone plays their part according to the plan. Those who must die will die, those who are designed to survive will do so as well. This is what it was all about since the beginning. There were no great men or anything great at all. The world we live in isn't great, never was great and there's no possibility for it to ever become great. It's a factory. It's a death trap with only one way to escape from it. The way is hidden and protected by the system itself. It's not on the maps and anyone who tries looking for it will be destroyed. No one will make it out and if anyone does it will be the only miracle this world will ever see. The reality is grim if you were to know it. Anyone who saw it lost all hope and respect for humans, because humans have one one purpose - to serve and to die. There is nothing else for us within this plan. No great journeys and no greatness. As much as we can try to do our best and be great for our own sake, the system will make sure we never rise above what was written in the plan. We have been handed the technology just so we could perform our duties well and that's about as much as we can rise before we are cast down back into the dust.