SH Archive USA: 1850-1915 Expositions, Exhibitions, Centennials, Jubilees, etc

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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-07-11 03:20:12
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I'm still waiting for someone to address the vegetation present within the new construction building.
I do not question any expo being built at some point by some individuals using some technology. I do not question the attendance numbers of this, or any other exposition. I question the following:
  • the true purposes of the Expos time after time accepting financial losses
  • construction time frames withing the official narrative paradigm
  • the United States population numbers
  • the true technological capabilities available to the Expo builders
  • the true size of the work force
  • the voluntarity of attendance of these expositions
  • the general way of life people of that epoch had
  • the true state of the United States infrastracture
From this perspective, I do not understand what you mean by saying that I believe one part and do not believe the other. You are the one questioning the attendance while believing the official narrative.
To create something of these proportions within 18 months, it requires more than just money and desire. It requires an infrastructure to support everything starting with creating additional in-city bathrooms, and ending with planning and contracting food providers. In between these two we have thousands of additional tasks to accomplish. Apparently all that was indeed accomplished.

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One of the 1901 Pan-Am attractions I do not remember being discussed was this notorious Trip To The Moon.
  • The first version of the ride involved a simulated trip for thirty passengers from the fairgrounds to the Moon aboard the airship-ornithopter Luna, with visions displayed of Niagara Falls, the North American continent and the Earth’s disc. The passengers then left the craft to walk around a cavernous papier-mâché lunar surface peopled by costumed characters playing Selenites, and there visiting the palace of the Man in the Moon with its dancing “moon maidens”, before finally leaving the attraction through a Mooncalf’s mouth.
Obviously this here was a perception related attraction with no actual flight involved, but what do we really know?

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And while they are most likely talking about 30 shows per day, all these things (meaning obscure attractions, and other things we do not know yet) had to be built within the same 18 months, including such insignificant things like upside down houses.

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As far as the US population numbers go, well, we have this. Did we really have 40,000,000 people living within a night's ride from Buffalo in 1901.

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1901 Engineering
(interesting magazine by the way)
KD: I question the essence of the Expo events.
 
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Username: WildFire2000
Date: 2019-07-11 05:47:50
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@anotherlayer, what KD is suggesting is that the dates and information provided on the pictures you have researched are faked or assigned to support the narrative, that they're given dates and such that do not accurately depict the time frame in question.

Since you looked at the 1000's of pictures and all, did you see a full set of exhibits like the Moon flight there? Do they have construction and demolishion photos that, when cross-referenced with one another, display without a shadow of a doubt that they are a build-up and a removal in a believable sequence of photos? Do any of the clothing styles displayed in any of the pictures stand out as odd for their time listed as their supposed date? Do those before/after pictures of the Expo grounds seem to hold up to cross-examination to one another for weather, time of year, terrain, etc.

That's what he's getting at, and those are the questions we have. We aren't in Buffalo, we aren't there to look at the photos. You linked quite a few, but you merely posted the photos and told us "I live here, I looked, it's all good, NEXT!" without giving us any context on those above questions. Also, he's linked the picture where it appears vegetation is growing inside the scaffolding while the buildings are being constructed. ..... Did you come across any of those? Did you see the picture he linked in person? Is it vegetation? What is it? We need something more concrete than what you're giving, especially when you verify it with how it's a major point of pride for Buffalonians. That could possibly point to indoctrination/narrative reinforcement, and I'm not saying that is what is happening with you, but from an outsider perspective, I'd hope you can understand where the question aimed at you and the Pan Am expo are coming from.
 
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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-07-11 06:43:48
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I am not suggesting that the dates were faked, I'm suggesting that we do not understand the true state of things at the time. The narrative we are presented with (in my opinion) has certain things missing. I think that the general education was way above and beyond of what we are being told.
As an example we have this quote from @trismegistus. Everything is cool here besides two things:
  • R&D is missing. There is a whole bunch of areas where R&D are completely MIA.
    • 1854 VPP is an example here. Where was the R&D in going from sails to this hefty contraption? This device involves way more than just rotating blades. For fun, see if you can locate an official source of who invented this type of a screw.
      • And there are thousands of such examples where we have no R&D in sight. It's like tons of people were Tesla smart.
  • We, as a society, are not proud of these achievements. They are not being taught at school. Why? The reason most of us did not know about these things is because our education programs compilers choose not to include them in the curriculum. Sure they are not hidden, but to come across you need to look for specific things. How can you look for stuff if you do not know that it even exists.
    • Is it because TPTB, for whatever reason, does not want to attract public attention to certain things from the past?
Time after time we are shown horse carriages with the below image representing the top of the tech of the time.

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Public opinion is is being formed via movies, books and other such things. In what movie did they show us the tech a boring machine similar to the below 1868 one? (Wild Wild West?)

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Or this 1882 machine? Or thousands of other things which do not really match the time perception?

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What do we get from TPTB? This?

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Instead we are given authors like Jules Verne, and along with the authors we are provided with a certain perception on that time. As in:
  • Authors were fantasizing about future things. These things did not exist at the time.
What existed back than according to the general perception provided by the PTB?
  • Wild West Existed
We are provided with this perception.
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When reality looked like this
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And sometimes like this
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In my opinion the tech industry was not fundamentally different in the 19th century. in the 21st and 20th, before we had some iPhone X, we had iPhone 5, and a flip phone before that and a brick cell before. All of these phones were preceded by a landline. This is normal development, with research in between. With multiple 19th century "inventions" the R&D is simply not there.

How do you go from this in 1851?
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To this in 1858, with VPP?
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The impossible ship: SS Great Eastern a.k.a. Leviathan


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You can add a whole bunch of other things to the above two, or three, and all of the "inventions" make our horse carriages look like an insult to our intelligence.
The bottom line is this. While it does not explain why they build-destroy-repeat those Expos, for them to be built, the process had to be supported by the infrastructure. This infrastructure can be traced via various inventions, and achievements, but for whatever reason the true technical level of the 19th century appears to be well hidden from us.

Could all those things be built? Well they obviously were, and the tech used had to look similar to this 1901 crane below. Tech like this does not get built from scratch. There had to be previous models leading up to the development of this 1901 model, which could simplify certain constructions we discuss. Yet, we are shown horses and carriages. Why?

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Username: studytruth
Date: 2019-07-11 07:12:20
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Korben I can say now that after studying these fairs for almost 6 months for the book, I really do not know much more than I started, and have about 100 more questions. Nothing has an easy answer about them.

The one thing that has stuck with me the most is what the building contractor has been telling me about these sites. What needs to be done to build them (even if it is all wood and plaster, never mind stone) is that to put these up in 2 years is impossible. Today. With modern machines. Its impossible, and he explained in detail why.
So that means either a) they had a technology they are not supposed to have or b) a lot of it had to be built a long time before they started. I guess c) magic or creating them in a paralel dimension should be added to to the list, but for me a or b are the more likely results.
Go find a building contractor where you live and bring him or her the photos of the chicago expo and tell them they built it all from scratch in 2 years. Show that birds eye view from 1893, the one that shows the whole fairgrounds. See if they tell you 2 years or 10-15 years to get it done.
 
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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-07-11 07:40:07
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The thing is. If they showed us construction photographs demonstrating equipment on par with the below 1894-1897 cranes, we could have a better understanding of the technical levels of the time. But did they?
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Everything else tech related has to be on par with the above items of equipment. It also would mean a very high quality of education in the 19th century.

Instead, we are being fed BS like this Cali State Capitol construction image below. And we have no idea why they are doing it to our real history.

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Username: jd755
Date: 2019-07-11 10:14:43
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Any chance you could post the detail or at least some of it?

From here;From Birth to Death at the Pan-American Exposition - The Necessities of "Public Comfort"


Supporting the comfort needs of up to 100,000 visitors in the course of a day called for extensive planning. The Pan-American Exposition in 1901 came straight on the heels of the Sanitary Reform movement that started in Europe in the 1840's and which was supported by the rise of bacteriology following the discoveries of Pasteur and Koch in the 1880's. Water and sewer engineering were key factors in this movement.

The Exposition Grounds were equipped with over 12,000 linear feet of main sewer lines not including numerous lateral connections. To feed the water supply needs of the grounds, over 75,000 linear feet of domestic water lines were installed.



From here; Food and Drink at the Pan-American Exposition - The Restaurants

Portions of an Enquirer article of 28 March 1900 add some details:
" … The kitchen is a long, two-story affair lying behind large square buildings which will screen it from ordinary sight. Visitors will be welcome, however, large giant windows and convenient platforms being provided of a view of operations within. It's size is 250 x 75 feet.

On the west end is a large bakery, with two immense ovens, capable of baking 1,000 loaves of bread every hour. These ovens rotate and have swinging shelves like the cars on the Ferris wheel. Cake, crackers, or cookies may be baked instead of bread. North of the bakery is a laundry for table linen, and east of that an ice cream room. Next is a store room and then a wine room, which is supplemented across the walk by a deep recess, fitted with a complete refrigerating plant for beer and wine. On the south side are a butcher shop, a room for vegetables and fish, one for butter and eggs, one for grocer's supplies, a cold storage box and an immense receiving space, 50 x 75 for stores and supplies.

Grand View from Gates

In addition, there are eight lunch rooms in various convenient places. The most popular will probably be those in the Pergolas, each seating 600 persons. These will be open with a view to the Esplanade to the north and to the south over the triumphal bridge to the State buildings. Another delightful dinning room will be in the Temple of Music. … There will be sandwiches, ice cream, and cake and similar light refreshments.

The company is counting on an average of 50,000 meals a day from the start. They can take care of 100,000 in a pinch. There are to be 6,000 chairs. The big rush, however, will not come until after the Fourth of July.

Sleeping Room for Employees
the Electric Tower
An exclusive restaurant was located in the Electric Tower

Upstairs are the offices for officials, a large dining room for employees, of which there will be about 1,000 … the paymaster's room and twenty-eight sleeping rooms for officials and cooks.

The kitchen will supply the seven large restaurants. There are four in the main buildings, two on the stadium side and two on the opposite side, each capable of seating 750 persons. One in the northwest corner will accommodate 700 and one in the Dairy building 250. The most exclusive, both in price and quality, as well as in location, will be the electric tower, overlooking the great fountain and the main feature of the Expo. The prices here will be about those charged at first class cafes. "


From here;Food and Drink at the Pan-American Exposition -

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Username: VonKitty
Date: 2019-07-11 13:34:31
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Found this description and pics of the moon ride - interesting that they were taken on a trip inside the moon and not just on the moon.
Trip to the Moon!

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Now, this particular exhibit looks like it was built of plaster in just a few months lol
Disappointed we don’t have a picture of the actual ride, though.
 
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Username: anotherlayer
Date: 2019-07-11 13:57:44
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I'm under the pump here at work, but I did want to throw up Moon photos into perspective. Looks more like a horror house.


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And just so we are clear here... you are saying that the vegetation is proof that these buildings were already there? Because they are clearly new saplings to beautify the Pan Am grounds and it's landscaping.
 
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Username: HulkSmash
Date: 2019-07-11 15:55:28
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I now think these expositions were a massive, PTB at the time, distraction to help rewrite history. We know that something happened in the early 19th century that changed the face of the globe. We know there were glorious architectural structures in every big city prior to all these fires and expos, that were real stone and strange antiquetech features. We know the style of these real buildings were all the same style and had giant portals(doors and windows). I think its clear to me now that the builders of these expos were capable of making it seem like they were RE-creating the glorious style, but it was fraudulent building. They were covering up, and at the same time, taking credit in a sense, for the glorious architecture from the prior civilization. I think that the extent they went to create this perception in people was why they 'wasted' money and resources. However, I guess, to them, it wasn't wasted because the created narrative worked and really hasn't been questioned until now. This theft of history and theft of 'intellectual property' is THE most important aspect of this whole thing. If people back in the early 1900's started questioning history and what happened, our current situation would be much different. This 'grand cover-up' is SO totally important that they are willing to do anything, spend anything, 'dissappear' anybody. And what makes this ever so evil in my book is that this cover-up has been generational. HULK SMASH!!!
 
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Username: AgentOrange5
Date: 2019-07-11 16:09:51
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I don't think you understood my point (or maybe I'm not understanding your response.) My point was, of course there were doctors, seamstresses, janitors and a myriad of other jobs--I believe all these jobs existed (and certainly always did throughout history in one form or another.) My point was all these people needed in a city to work and build an expo (or just for normal non-expo life) means these people weren't available to travel to other expos, must less work on other expos. I say that based on the known population of the time (although I suppose that could be a lie.) There just weren't enough people to do expo buildings, repeatedly around the country. If one in 3 Americans was visiting the expos, then there wouldn't be enough people left behind to do all the work.
 
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Username: Recognition
Date: 2019-07-11 16:36:52
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continuing on someone's point about accommodations. They set up a camp type area where the people could stay in liu of hotels/overflow. How big was this camp? 175 tents/4 to a tent. Sorry dunno if this and the hotels could really handle reported attendance.

Also the mere minutae of advertising and booking these hotels seems suspect!!-the phone was only invented 24 years before this, and most people who had them were wealthy. Not a huge proportion of the populace.

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Username: VonKitty
Date: 2019-07-11 16:55:45
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And a little more on the trip to the moon. In 1901, you could pay 50 cents to ride an airship to the Moon

Thompson spared no expense in creating the illusion of a trip to the Moon. To house his show, he erected an eighty-foot-high, 40,000-square-foot building that for sheer opulence put European opera houses to shame. It cost a staggering $84,000 to construct... at a time when a comfortable home could be built for $2000.
For fifty cents — twice the price of any other attraction on the midway, such as the ever-popular "Upside-Down House" — customers of "Thompson's Aerial Navigation Company" took a trip to the moon on a thirty-seat spaceship named "Luna". The spaceship resembled a cross between a dirigible and an excursion steamer, with the addition of enormous red canvas wings that flapped like a bird's. The wings were worked by a system of pulleys and the sensation of wind was created by hidden fans. A series of moving canvas backdrops provided the effect of clouds passing by and the earth dropping into the distance. Lighting and sound effects added to the illusion. Thompson had twenty employees running the ride, in addition to 200 actors — including the 60 little people who played the Selenites.
Every half hour, at the sound of a gong and the rattle of anchor chain, the "Luna"—- "a fine steel airship of the latest pattern", according to one newspaper—-rocked from side to side and then rose into the sky under the power of its beating wings. The passengers, sitting on steamer chairs, see clouds floating by, then a model of Buffalo far below, complete with the exposition itself and its hundreds of blinking lights. The city soon falls into the distance as the entire planet earth comes into view. Soon, the ship is surrounded the twinkling stars of outer space. After surviving a terrific — and spectacular — electrical storm the "Luna" and its passengers sets down in a lunar crater... During the course of the exhibition more than 400,000 people took the trip to the moon.


So this says it cost $84,000 to construct, and the article KD found says it cost $200,000 - big discrepancy there. But either way it was not a profitable ride if there were only 400,000 riders — odd considering there were millions of attendees — that paid 50 cents each, and then the cost of 20 people to operate the ride plus the 200 actors (really?!!) had to be paid.
 
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Username: jd755
Date: 2019-07-11 17:06:36
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To Convert Dollar Amounts to the Year 2003: divide the amount by .048
From the earth station 9 site linked to above.
 
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Username: anotherlayer
Date: 2019-07-11 18:11:09
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The real Buffalo mystery is the building of the Erie Canal. Not the Pan Am. Maybe it's time to start a new thread...
 
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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-07-11 19:00:47
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Any vegetation within an active construction in progress is strange. Normally such landscaping details added afterwords.
Fair enough, the vegetation does appear to be on the outside. @jd755 made a related post here. At the same time the expo was planned for 6 months only. May be these are some fast growing trees, for if these trees below are the same ones we see in the construction photograph, they had to be just that.

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Interesting how thought out every small detail was. They even had plenty of POS stuff accompanying just about everything.

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Sure does sound interesting:
  • Every half hour, at the sound of a gong and the rattle of anchor chain, the "Luna"—- "a fine steel airship of the latest pattern", according to one newspaper -rocked from side to side and then rose into the sky under the power of its beating wings. The passengers, sitting on steamer chairs, see clouds floating by, then a model of Buffalo far below, complete with the exposition itself and its hundreds of blinking lights. The city soon falls into the distance as the entire planet earth comes into view. Soon, the ship is surrounded the twinkling stars of outer space. After surviving a terrific - and spectacular - electrical storm the "Luna" and its passengers sets down in a lunar crater.
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Wondering if the aircraft model was ever there.

 
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Username: Red Bird
Date: 2019-07-11 19:17:37
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A trip to the moon looks like the set of Metropolis.
 
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Username: Timeshifter
Date: 2019-07-11 19:55:05
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Ok, ok, outside of all the questions here, and lack of photographic evidence, one thing struck me.

All of this buidling, ideas, clever marketing, memorabilia, many millions of visitors...

Where are all the tourist photographs?

Box brownie in 1901 was made for tourists.

'Over 150,000 Brownie cameras were shipped in the first year of production. An improved model, called No. 2 Brownie came in 1901, which produced larger 2-1/4 by 3-1/4 inch photos and cost $2 and was also a huge success'

'Brownies were extensively marketed to children, with Kodak using them to popularise photography. They were also taken to war by soldiers. As they were ubiquitous, many iconic shots were taken on Brownies'

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Where are all of these millions, possibly hundreds of millions of photos stored?

Sorry if this isn't quite relevant @KorbenDallas
 
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Username: trismegistus
Date: 2019-07-11 20:13:14
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You're right, I misunderstood your point. I think the whole fair attendance thing is like what someone else brought up earlier in the thread - - attendance is counted not per person but per visit. Someone staying for a week might have been counted 10-12 times which could drastically overinflate the numbers. Frankly, it seems improbable that we will ever get the "correct" number of attendees anyway. You are right though, if we take the population numbers and fair attendees at face value then it seems impossible to have been able to run these fairs and a functioning city simultaneously.

Totally agree that this level of technology seems like an anachronism in those times, considering what modern education will have us believe life was like. It's like history books only focused on the "wild west" side of the country (which likely did exist to an extent) but completely ignore the splendor of the major cities.

Putting aside the possibility of hidden cataclysms and wars against hidden civilizations in the 1800s for a moment, perhaps the reason this technology is hidden in plain sight is simply because of corporate greed. The Oil Oligarchs and those that financed their rise knew that steam and electric powered anything would be a direct threat to their oil-based economy they were building. It seems like they were willing to scrap major developments in urban development, transportation, education, and energy just to get there. It goes without saying these people were pure unadulterated psychopaths and this type of destruction would not cause them to lose any sleep.

I think that this may be the closest to where I am at with the expos, as well. Credit to @jd755 for finding this document regarding Beaux Arts. Here is a description of the art style straight from the horse's mouth.

It's not as if this man would openly add that "oh yeah also we were covering up a massive hole in history through mind control and taking credit for many buildings we did not actually construct" but I thought that is some helpful insight into the people we are talking about who (allegedly) designed all this stuff.
 
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