Vikings and clues of Tartaria?

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He said they preferred to just get out of the way. He called them the Albans for a lack of a better name.

Interesting comment, thank you for sharing. I am currently researching a different take on this wherein the definition of "get out of the way" would be more like 'fade from our perception.' For example, the Huldufolk of Iceland.

 

[Maxresde]

Interesting comment, thank you for sharing. I am currently researching a different take on this wherein the definition of "get out of the way" would be more like 'fade from our perception.' For example, the Huldufolk of Iceland.

Yes, there could be something to that. I can't remember where, but I read a little anecdote I think from Russia that some scientist or something had stumbled into an isolated community, and people were looking for him, and the people in this community were somehow doing something that resulted in the searchers just never encountering them. Like if the searchers might encounter them by going right, they would always go left. Or if they were about to be seen, the searchers would just happen to look somewhere else at that moment.

 

[Sasyexa]

So he suggested that they retreated to Scotland as England was being colonized by different people, and by the time of the Vikings, they were withdrawing to Iceland. Then as the Vikings followed them to Iceland, they moved to Greenland. When the Vikings came to Greenland, they moved to the mainland of North America. He thought that they ultimately wound up in Newfoundland and kind of blended back in with the European population when they showed up.

There was a mention of this here
Hobbit-like Britons who were always driven out of their homes

Eirik the Red is also claimed to have discovered and subjugated Greenland and Vinland in the ninth or tenth century. These Norse sagas reported in detail the discovery voyages of Iceland, Greenland and Vinland. However and very importantly, the Gestae Arthuri has the knowledge of these lands as a precondition – there is no discovery required. Also, if the Gestae Arthuri is simply transferring the Norse tales to Arthur, why do the Norse sagas never mention the Hyperborea region at all? Besides, the Gestae Arthuri may even predate Eirik the Red’s adventures. Also “when the Norse first landed on Iceland, they found it inhabited by a British people that they termed the “Pappar”, whom they promptly drove extinct.” Good luck trying to find any decent information on these Pappars.

The island on the bottom right is labelled: “Here live pygmies no more than 4 feet tall like those in Greenland that are called ‘Skraelinger’”.

So, in the poem Gweir has been imprisoned within Caer Sidi (Mound Fortress or Fortress of the fairy-folk - possibly the ‘Skraelinger’ mentioned in Mercator’s Polar Insert map)

Anyway, I recently found out that Novgorod had its own Vikings. They are called Ushkuyniks. What sets them apart from the classic Vikings is the dates:

Ushkuyniks - Novgorodian pirates. Chronicles give ushkuyniks the name of the Pomors or Volzhans. Free people, an armed group, equipped by the Novgorod merchants and boyars, rode on ushkuys and were engaged in trading craft and attacks along the Volga and Kama; free people (in Rus' XIV-XV centuries), protected the frontier territories of Great Novgorod. Also Novgorod ushkuyniks made trade on the northern rivers - in the Novgorod and Vyatka lands in XIV-XV centuries, formed for protection of northwest borders of Russia. In free time from the service ushkuyniks carried out trade and fishing expeditions to the Volga and Kama.

Here's what wiki says about their end:

A part of Khlynov's population was moved to the Moscow limits. The Grand Duke ordered to settle them in Borovsk, Aleksin and Kremenets, where they were given estates and lands, while tradesmen were settled in Dmitrov. The rebellious military leaders with their cohorts were settled in the southern and western border districts of Moscow dukedom. A part of Vyatka warriors was even settled in a settlement near Moscow: the present Moscow village of Khlynovo. After the dispersal of the Vyatka Veche (political public gatherings), descendants of ushkuyniks left for the east of the Vyatka region. Some settled in the Vyatka and Perm forests, and others went to the Don and Volga. It was on the Volga that the Volga Cossacks were formed, adopting the traditions of the Ushkuyniks. And many modern linguists find similarities in the vocabulary of the Don Cossacks, Novgorodians and residents of the Vyatka region. One can also find similar features of the folk culture of the Don Cossacks, Novgorodians and Vyatka inhabitants.

Moscow only managed to put an end to the Vyatka Veche Republic of Ushkuyniks in 1489. After that Moscow lords ordered to forget about the Ushkuyniks. Clerks meticulously cut out information about the Ushkuyniks from the scrolls of annals. Mention about ushkuyniks remained only in the epic about "Kulikovo field" and "Standing on the river Ugra". In XIV-XV centuries Moscow chroniclers tried in every possible way to denigrate ushkuyniks and in general called them robbers, thieves, disobedient people etc.

Are Cossacks actually Vikings?

Can't say about the tartar connection though, if wiki is to be believed, the Ushkuyniks were fighting the Golden Horde

 

[greatscot]

There was a mention of this here
Hobbit-like Britons who were always driven out of their homes





Anyway, I recently found out that Novgorod had its own Vikings. They are called Ushkuyniks. What sets them apart from the classic Vikings is the dates:


Here's what wiki says about their end:

Are Cossacks actually Vikings?

Can't say about the tartar connection though, if wiki is to be believed, the Ushkuyniks were fighting the Golden Horde

I suspect "king" is really the word 'king, an abbreviation of the word Viking. The connections between Jesus Christ and Viking paganism are too numerous to list. Maybe he was literally the king of vikings and heaven is Valhalla