Was the temple of King Salomo in Spain, Part 03

[Frostychud]

CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS POST

So, to conclude. The hypothesis I am playing with goes something like this.

- The events of the 14th century are a phantom copy of events of the 16th century, thrown back in time by the Catholic Church as part of their new chronology.

- After the Catholic coup, France was still full of multiple remnant populations more or less loyal to the old Eastern Empire (rewritten as the "Roman Empire"), which had allowed for a variety of different forms of worship as long as taxes were paid. Cretins, Cagots, Gypsies, lepers, Jews, and Cathars were all more or less lumped together as heretics to be combated.

- Over time, most of these groups were absorbed into the Catholic majority, with the hard core of those who refused eventually banding together under the rubric "Jew". Judaism as we know it emerges as a reaction-formation against Catholicism. Barzilay: In southern Europe during the Black Death in 1348...the charges were first directed against paupers, vagabonds, and mendicants, and only later transferred to Jews. Is this because "Jew" only emerged afterwards as a catch-all designation whose organizing principle was hatred of the Church?

- I didn't discuss Gypsies, but it's worth noting that France is full of white non-Roma Gypsies such as the Yéniche, who like the Jews adhere to a strict legal code that assigns outsiders ("Gadjos") an inferior position and allows members of the in-group to exploit them. A relic of a time when both Gypsies and Jews had an imperial charter to farm the local Celts/helots? How many Cagots and Cathars were absorbed into the French Gypsy communities?

- Like the Viet Cong or today's Palestinians, these groups engaged in the only kind of warfare which is available to outgunned minorities, namely guerilla warfare. This includes well-poisoning as well as, perhaps, using their international finance power to orchestrate famines.

- From the Jewish Virtual Library The Black Death:

Amid the general atmosphere of hostility and the cruelty of the persecutions to which the Jews had been subjected, it was almost logical that Christians could imagine that the Jews might seek revenge. Thus, a Jew who was tortured in Freiburg im Breisgau in 1349 “was then asked… ‘why did they do it…?’ Then he answered: ‘because you Christians have destroyed so many Jews; because of what king Armleder did; and also because we too want to be lords; for you have lorded long enough.’” (“… wan umb das, das ir cristen so menigen ju den verdarpten, do kuenig Armleder was, und ouch um das, das wir ouch herren wolten gewesen sin, wan ir genug lang herren gewesen sint;” Urkundenbuch der Stadt Freiburg im Breisgau (1828), nos. 193, 382).

We too want to be lords; for you have lorded long enough. This sounds like the kind of thing that one might hear from someone whose people have only recently been overthrown, not someone nursing a thousand-year grudge.

- Last of all, is the Bar Kokhba Revolt another phantom copy of the events of the 16th century in Spain, France, and Germany? I have of course presented zero evidence for that hypothesis, but I believe it is worth looking at considering what we know about the methods and techniques of the Catholic history forgers.

 

[Jef Demolder]

Frostychud,

The creators of ancient history were very coherent. The destruction of the Jewish temple of Jerusalem, placed in the year 70, marks definitively the transition from the old covenant to the new covenant. The original creators would never have invented a Bar Kochba revolt issuing coins with the image of a rebuilt temple. The Bar Kochba revolt has been invented in recent times by people who do not know how history has been made and wo wanted to show a Jewish revival in the century following the year 70. So I do not think that the Bar Kochba revolt has some historical ground.

When Rome was destroyed in about 1350 (to me the Black Death is a metonymy of a much larger disaster), the pope as th president of the Ancient Commonwealth, with the whole presidency, landed in Avignon. And it is there in the south of France that the new already somehow Christian stories were used for the first time. The events of the New Testament were placed in the Holy Land, but important figures like Mary of Magdala, or Lazarus, and so on, all came to France. Take Rocamadour. Saint Amadour, the Lover, is Marcus Agrippa and his wife Saint Veronica is queen Berenice of Judea. The people creating Rocamadour where very close with the stories that were hidden in underground levels of the New Testament. It seems to me that it is nearly impossible to analyze the religious melting pot present in the south of France in the period 1350-1450.

 

[Frostychud]

I hate to resort to writing short, incompletely thought-through posts, but sometimes I stumble across a juicy tidbit that has to be shared, even if I don't have the time to explicate all of the connections.

I wrote extensively about the work of Andreu Marfull. He argues that the KALONYMOS family of exilarchs from the Black Sea region became the COLOMS in Spain in the 1400s. They trace their lineage back to King David. Christopher COLUMBUS is one of them. Another Colom is the co-founder of the Taula de Convi in Barcelona, the world's first central bank. In Spain, these Coloms also take the name BENVENISTE, and they consider themselves to be the "Kings of the Jews". Marfull suggests that the COLONNA family of Rome, which included Pope Martin V (1417-1431) was a breakaway faction of the same family; they played a role in the founding of the papacy, and would go on to usurp the "Jewish" branch in Spain and France.

The 2018 book "The Other History of the Roman Empire" by the Russian historical revisionist Tamansky was recently brought up here, and it sounded interesting, so I tracked down a copy online and used Google Translate to read it.

The different history of the Roman Empire

It's dynamite, and I was overjoyed to find that Tamansky provides a huge missing puzzle piece.

The short version: Marcantonio Colonna is the model for the fictitious Roman "Mark Antony". His wife's uncle/maybe father Pope Julius II (papacy 1503-1513) is the model for the fictitious "Julius Caesar".

Look at that beautiful wink in the Wikipedia entry: he chose his name in emulation of Julius Caesar. The tomb of Pope Julius II was sculpted by Michelangelo and includes his famous horned Moses.

Once crowned, Julius II proclaimed instead his goal to centralize the Papal States (in large part a patchwork of communes and signorie) and "free Italy from the barbarians".[4]

I'm going to take a wild swing here...is it possible that "Barbarians" (Barbari) is actually a punning reference to the bearded ones, ie the proto-Jews in Spain and France?

I can't provide all the connections here. You'll have to read Tamansky's book. Here are links to the chapters in which he goes into more detail (you can find the whole book here).

Александр Таманский - Другая история Римской империи

Александр Таманский - Другая история Римской империи

Александр Таманский - Другая история Римской империи

So my oversimplified mental map is something like this: on one side, we have Julius Caesar, the Habsburgs, and the (still basically pagan) Renaissance popes, and on the other hand we have the "losers" of this power struggle, their cousins the Coloms/Benvenistes, whose identities were radically rewritten and later assimilated with Judaism. Caesar's conquest of Gaul = the papal Colonnas defeating the "Jews" of southern France.

René Goscinny, the creator of the "Gaulish freedom fighter" Astérix character, who is in constant battle with the "evil Romans", and with whom French children are brainwashed, was a Jew. Did he know something we don't, namely that the "Gauls" defeated by Caesar were actually Jews? Was "Astérix et Obélix" just another piece of Jewish propaganda against their eternal enemy, Edom?

Again, that's my oversimplified mental map. Read the Tamansky book!

 

[LittleSeasonSaint]

I have and still believe the temple was on mars . This required the fiery discs that Ezekiel saw in Order to go worship at the temple.

Ezekiel 1:19 (KJV) And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.

Makes much more sense ,

 

[LittleSeasonSaint]

We have been seeing unidentified flying objects all over the world , just like Ezekiel saw !

Ezekiel 1:14 (KJV) And the living creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a flash of lightning.

These modern day sightings maybe be Flying crafts transporting people to mars so they can worship in the temple that is located on mars. The Haberdashers and the Goldsteins could very likely be passengers !

That is very exciting .

 

[MaziarMohajer]

the possibility that Columbus actually came in 1592, or rather, that at one point the fake Columbus story was set in 1592 rather than 1492.

I've listed these points to explain the potential confusion between the years 1492 and 1592."

• 1492 CE : Many Russian Orthodox Christians beginning from the 1400s believed this year would see Christ's return, since it would be the end of the seventh millennium and the start of the eighth millennium (the year 8000) according to the Byzantine calendar. link
• The Byzantine calendar was primarily biblical in its epoch (starting point) but astronomical in its underlying structure.
• 1592 CE : The "apocalyptic atmosphere" refers to a period of intense millenarian expectation and anxiety that gripped the Safavid, Mughal, and Ottoman empires primarily during the late sixteenth century. This climate was largely driven by two significant chronological events that occurred in close succession:
  • A Grand Conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn in 1583 CE.
  • The end of the first Islamic millennium (1000 AH) in 1591 CE.
  This unique combination of astronomical and calendrical milestones created a widespread belief that major world-changing events, perhaps even the end of the world or the advent of a new era of justice, were imminent.
• The Grand Conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn, predicted by Abu Mashar, was theorized to have occurred at the founding of the Islamic religion in 0 AH/622 CE . This astronomical event was believed to coincide with the birth of the Prophet Muhammad in 571 CE and the founding of the Abbasid Empire in 749 CE. Later munajjims (astronomer/astrologers) pinpointed another Grand Conjunction in 1583 CE, exactly 960 solar years (or 990 lunar years) after the religion's founding in 622 CE, which contributed to the "apocalyptic atmosphere" of the late sixteenth century(Source : Blake, Stephen P. Time in Early Modern Islam: Calendar, Ceremony, and Chronology in the Safavid, Mughal, and Ottoman Empires. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2013)
• In the 14th century, scientific works of that era were authored in Arabic, regardless of the native language of the writer. source
• The Hijri calendar was used during the period of Islamic rule in Spain, known as Al-Andalus, which lasted from 711 to 1492 CE.

I admit that the following points may seem unrelated, making a unified conclusion challenging. Nevertheless, here's my theory:

Scientific texts in the medieval era, globally, including those on calendar calculations, were often written in Arabic. It's plausible that some events were fabricated and inserted into the historical records during the process of writing history, especially when those accounts involved calendar calculations. The apocalyptic atmosphere described wasn't confined to Eastern countries, as the source suggest, but was prevalent globally, particularly in Europe and Spain. This atmosphere was fueled by calculations based on Grand Conjunction ( 1583 CE) and millenarian expectations (1591 CE) .

So, my hypothesis is that the year in question was actually 1592, not 1492. It's conceivable that the authors of the books you mentioned were operating with a different calendar in mind—specifically the Hijri calendar to calculate the end of the world , which is astronomical, rather than the non-astronomical Byzantine calendar. A more radical theory is that events attributed to 1492 actually occurred a century later, in 1592.

 

[LittleSeasonSaint]

Athens had what…….a hill connected to their WORSHIP .

Acts 17:22 (KJV) Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, [Ye] men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.

Now a hill was a perfect place for a UFO of some sort like Ezekiel saw to land and transport people to Solomon’s temple located on planet Mars.

Notice further proof :

Acts 17:18 (KJV) Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection.

The mysterious Stoicks were involved .

And the Epicurean writings have confirmed this MARS Hill as a transport pickup spot to whisk them to Solomon’s Temple which we have established was on Mars , as confirmed by Ezekiel.

This leads us to the COLOMS Clan which is where more revelation of A Solomon’s Temple on Mars.

Very intriguing subject.

 

[LittleSeasonSaint]

Athens had what…….a hill connected to their WORSHIP .

Acts 17:22 (KJV) Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, [Ye] men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.

Now a hill was a perfect place for a UFO of some sort like Ezekiel saw to land and transport people to Solomon’s temple located on planet Mars.

Notice further proof :

Acts 17:18 (KJV) Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection.

The mysterious Stoicks were involved .

And the Epicurean writings have confirmed this MARS Hill as a transport pickup spot to whisk them to Solomon’s Temple which we have established was on Mars , as confirmed by Ezekiel.

This leads us to the COLOMS Clan which is where more revelation of A Solomon’s Temple on Mars.

Very intriguing subject.

This is Why Paul was where ……..On Mars Hill .

Notice he was there to preach to them Christ, because they were worshipping in Solomon’s located on planet Mars . They had not heard Christ had literally came and fulfilled Old Testament Promises of a future Savior .

Now the trips to mars hill to be transported to planet Mars were unnecessary . Ezekiel was surely relieved to know the ufo trips to Mars were no longer necessary, and the COLONNA family would be just as relieved.

 

[Breizh]

This climate was largely driven by two significant chronological events that occurred in close succession:
• A Grand Conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn in 1583 CE.

More on the grand conjunction:

Scroll down for every Jupiter Saturn conjunction date from 2092 BC until 2100 C.E. The color-coding shows which element they occurred in. As you can see, they run in clusters of a particular element before changing to a new one. The conjunction of December 2020 was the first in Aquarius since 1405, the Renaissance Era.

Why are the Jupiter-Saturn Conjunction dates so important?

The Jupiter-Saturn conjunction is easily the most written about astrological phenomenon in history. Called the Great Conjunction or the Chronocrator – as in time-keeper – it occurs every 19.85 years. But the alignments form far greater cycles of 60 years, 180 years, and so on. It’s the basis of many ancient calendars, Feng Shui, and astro-financial predictions.

From mysticmedusa.com/jupiter-saturn-conjunction-dates/

 

[MaziarMohajer]

More on the grand conjunction:

From mysticmedusa.com/jupiter-saturn-conjunction-dates/

Thank you for the link. The calculations of conjunction dates used nowadays is different.
This article says
" The duration for the Grand Conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn to return near its starting point varies based on the coordinate system used:
• Relative to fixed stars, it takes approximately 854 or 913 years. Some scholars, including medieval ones, cited 960 years.
• Relative to a precessing coordinate system, it takes about 800 (794) years ( This figure is used by astronomers today)"

This source says : We can see here that Abu Mashar states that the length of one great cycle would be 960 years. This is of course technically wrong, but until the middle ages astrologers used this figure as a basis for their calculations.

So, I think that for studying the theory that "The Grand Conjunctions of Jupiter and Saturn were historically believed to foretell significant historical occurrences," we should check the dates in medieval books (not the ones calculated with modern theories). It will be interesting, as predictions and foretellings based on stars are absurd, but writing and dating forgeries based on wrong calculations is something that needs more study.

 

[LittleSeasonSaint]

Mars as found in the 17th chapter of Acts , many believe NASA used this verse :

Acts 17:1 (KJV) Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews:

To name their Apollo craft after because NASA understood people were used to Mars hill being used to transport Jews to the Solomon’s Temple that was located Not in Spain but on mars as the 17th chapter clearly says.

Located in Spain….Lol. The Haberdashers knew. And the Colons knew , and NASA Knew . The Bible is once again proven true and trustworthy.

 

[LittleSeasonSaint]

Currently a news story……Elon talks of Mars continually , Bezos talks of Mars continuously. Forget the Moon everyone is on and on about Mars , even colonizing Mars.

They all know just like the Jews in Acts 17 knew where Solomon’s Temple was located .

The Jews who control Benny Nuttyyahoo and Donald Trump are On MARS. They are the ones who control the Jews that are left here on earth to carry out the Jew diabolical schemes.

Ezekiel knew , the Jews in Acts 17 knew , the Apostle Paul knew in Acts 17 knew. Solomon’s Temple ……Located in Spain….Lol. The Haberdashers knew. And the Colons knew , and NASA Knew .

Spain Lol.

 

[LittleSeasonSaint]

With SpaceX, NASA and China planning manned missions to the Martian surface and scientists working to revolutionize access to the Red Planet, it's now only a matter of time before humans step foot on Mars.

They will be met by the elite Jews who are abiding on mars in Solomon’s Temple. Most likely the The Haberdashers And the Colons .

Spain ……Really ?

 

[ViniB]

With SpaceX, NASA and China planning manned missions to the Martian surface and scientists working to revolutionize access to the Red Planet, it's now only a matter of time before humans step foot on Mars.

They will be met by the elite Jews who are abiding on mars in Solomon’s Temple. Most likely the The Haberdashers And the Colons .

Spain ……Really ?

Do you actually believe this, like for real???

 

[LittleSeasonSaint]

Do you actually believe this, like for real???

Do you actually believe this, like for real???

Hi ViniB :
Do you doubt what the Bible says ? Do you ever question the posts on this board that are nothing more than quoting insane science fiction that is posted here as fact ?

Do you accept science fiction as a basis for your beliefs ? I attempt to base my beliefs on inspired scripture.

Just wondering.

 

[ViniB]

Hi ViniB :
Do you doubt what the Bible says ? Do you ever question the posts on this board that are nothing more than quoting insane science fiction that is posted here as fact ?

Yes, and yes to both questions. I don't hold any beliefs or dogmas, that's why i'm here.

How do you prove that there’s a Temple on "mars" and that "mars" is a physical place people can go to?

 

[LittleSeasonSaint]

Yes, and yes to both questions. I don't hold any beliefs or dogmas, that's why i'm here.

How do you prove that there’s a Temple on "mars" and that "mars" is a physical place people can go to?

No beliefs or dogmas. I feel very sad for you being tossed about by fairytales and science fiction.

 

[Breizh]

Back OT, I came across this and this seemed a good place to post it.

Prelude - I've seen references to the following, which might be helpful when interpreting old texts that mention India/Indies and [A]Ethiopia. (eg maps showing India in North America)

• the three Indies (the Americas, Euro-Asia, and Africa)
• the three Indies or the three Ethiopia’s

Something to consider.

From Urbano Monte's 10 ft. Planisphere of 1587, full map here. This map has been discussed in other threads also.

Maybe Salanno on this map was referring to Solomon.

I think either another map, or a book from one of the many I read while trying to figure out who the fuck Marco Polo was, mentioned something about this general region of Arzareth as housing people who kept the names of the tribes like Dan and Nepthali going.

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I wanted to point out something about the use of the word Muslim. In the picture from your post, the red text says:

Polo may have said something about them being Muslims.

I found this quote on another site which implies 2 distinct 'Muslim' peoples. It would be easy to confound them when reading old texts (eg muslim = moslem) or interpreting images (eg architecture, clothing etc) which might lead to subsequent misinterpretations.

However, the double O Moors from Africa, Europe, and the so-called middle east are orthodox Muslims and are not the same as the Oriental Moslems (Sufi’s) from the Americas, who are Hebrews with Islamic customs, aka, Islamic Jews.

 

[Breizh]

In this eye-opening clip from the BBC/Channel 4 documentary When the Moors Ruled in Europe, the late Luisa Isabel Álvarez de Toledo, 21st Duchess of Medina Sidonia, exposes how her own noble family whitewashed their Muslim ancestry to conform with Spain’s obsession with “purity of black blood” after the fall of Al-Andalus.
...
The Duchess’s commentary reveals a deliberate erasure of ethnic and religious diversity from Spanish history. She exposes how Spain’s Christian aristocracy fabricated lineages, deleting Jewish and Muslim ties to present a white, Catholic nobility.

www.facebook.com/MoorishHistoryTV/videos/they-cleaned-it-all-up-duchess-exposes-whitewashed-moorish-ancestry/1887484608577018/

 

[Starfire]

Here's a link to @Frostychud 's other Marfull magnum opus:

Post in thread 'The different history of the Roman Empire' The different history of the Roman Empire

This timeline of events laid out by Marfull and Tamansky are just as likely to be true as the historical narrative we have been spoon fed, or the recent cataclysms hypothesis, or the world history according to Babushka we are learning about on another thread. I mean to say that we cannot call any of them all lies or any of them all truth. The Marfull/Tamansky timeline does seem to pull together a lot of loose ends, it may be more truth than lies.

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The information about poisoned wells, lepers, Cagots and the Knights of Lazarus was very interesting. Here's my thoughts about it.

The mysterious Cagots were indistinguishable from their neighbors, owned property or property rights in the leperarium, were descended from Jews or lepers, and were looked down upon, but yet still had the protection of local aristocrats.They were called variations of the word Christian which also meant leper.

Using the Marfull framework, I would have to agree that the Cagots and lepers are what would later be called heretics by the (newly created and victorious) Catholics. The Cagots were the old Imperial Christians (prior to Jesus) who resided in France. Some mixing would have happened with the merchants (later known as Jews) from the Sephardic kindom to the south in Spain/Western Iberia. Then the newly created Catholics swept in with their Jesus and their Popes and decimated or chased away everyone already living there.

This part of Marfull's story is pretty much supported by the mainstream narrative. It makes me think of the French Hugenots and how the refugee Sephardic Jews had mixed in with them to escape the Inquisition. Both groups ended up in what is now the Southeastern United States. And the Catholic Church had a strangle hold for centuries on France, Spain, and parts of the New World. The Hugenots that remained in France were massacred and discriminated against. Very few admitted Hugenots remain in France to this day. But I think the Cagots could be descendents of the Hugenots. They are to be shunned, but no one can remember why.