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Does anybody is familiar with the book of the Russian Alternative historian Alexander Tamanski " The different history of the Roman Empire"? Lots of interesting researched results and info. He also have the Youtube channel with most of the info in the form of films he created. But it's all in Russian.. Curious if it's possible to get the Google or other online translators to watch in English?
https://www.youtube.com/c/АлександрТаманский
 
Thanks for the link.

Fortunately the auto-translate function works on the YT channel and I was able to watch the first video and understand most of it. Now its time to start watching them from the beginning.

The researcher is excellent and it would be great to get that book translated into English.
 
Thanks for the link.

Fortunately the auto-translate function works on the YT channel and I was able to watch the first video and understand most of it. Now its time to start watching them from the beginning.

The researcher is excellent and it would be great to get that book translated into English.
I know- I've been following him and watched all his videos a multiple times. Excellent material.
 
The Kindle edition is unavailable on Amazon, it looks like.

I tracked down an online copy. You can read the whole book here using Google Translate. I just finished it.

Александр Таманский - Другая история Римской империи

I cannot recommend it highly enough. A big thank you to the people who shared it. Maybe I'll summarize it in another post. Short version: the Roman Empire ended with the Peace of Westphalia.
This book was pretty mindblowing. It resolves many of the questions in the old KD thread “Rome has no surviving sources”. Working from a translation, there are some colloquialisms that get translated kind of funky, but it’s still perfectly understandable. Thanks for the digital version, Frosty. I’m on my second read. I like the authors logical approach. I sent it to a Roman and biblical “expert” friend of mine, who I’m sure is gonna tell me why this is all crazy, but it seems logical to me. Traditional historians like to ignore the infrastructure questions of ship building and brick making, as well as all the “anachronisms” that were only popular during that era, like capriccio art.

The theory about Julius Ceasar becoming pope Julius II and the Roman Empire being closer to a trading and customs empire similar to the EU or NATO or something is interesting as well.
 
I’ve written at length elsewhere about the work of Andreu Marfull, who situates the events of the Old Testament in 14th-15th century Spain (check my post history). Marfull believes that those dates were fabricated and the events in question actually occurred even more recently. His work fits together with Tamansky’s like a hand in a glove.

Where Marfull focuses on Spain and the overlap between the Old Testament and medieval French/Spanish history, Tamansky focuses on Italy and the overlap of “Ancient Rome” and Renaissance papal history.

No one is quite clear how much time was added, when it was added, or why, but it seems clear that it has something to do with artificially extending the history of the Catholic Church in order to erase what came before it and blur its continuity with “Ancient Rome”.

But why did this happen around 1500? The “added thousand years” idea presumes that there was a zero point (the Anno Domini) from which people began counting the years, and then sometime around the year 500, an extra thousand years were stuck on. But why then? Something is missing.

Tamansky offers the single best explanation I have yet to encounter for the fabrication of the “added thousand years” and the nexus point of 1492.

A reminder of everything that happened in that year:
  • The reconquista of Granada after almost 800 years.
  • The voyage of Columbus to the New World.
  • The expulsion of the Jews from Spain.
  • The year 7000 in the Byzantine calendar.
  • The first globe, minus the New World.
  • The first printing of the Old Testament in Lisbon.
  • The first Latin-Spanish dictionary.

In Biblical tradition, every day of creation corresponds to a thousand years of history, and the events that occurred on those days correspond to centuries. Adam was created in the middle of the sixth day, which Biblical scholars interpreted as corresponding to the year 5500 after Creation.

The starting point of Tamansky’s argument is that Ancient Roman characters like Julius Caesar, Constantine, Nero, Aeneas, etc. were all copies of different Renaissance characters associated with the papacy. In particular, Julius Caesar = Pope Julius II (1503-1513). Tamansky believes that Pope Julius was the one who introduced the Julian calendar and set it at 7000, in other words, at the beginning of a self-proclaimed second week of creation. And when Julius made his calendar, he used “AD” to signify the year of the Lord’s incarnation in flesh in the form of Adam. In other words, the Earth was now 7000 years old and humanity had existed for 1500 years. This is why the calendar pops onto the scene with 1500 years already on it.

Why did Julius use the Anno Domini calendar and not the Anno Mundi? No answer is given.

Tamanksy doesn’t mention it, but if we accept his version, we have to assume that the ages of the patriarchs in the Old Testament added up to 1500 at that point in time. Remember, Pope Julius II had Michelangelo carve Moses (with horns) on his tomb (but no Christ), so he was a “Jew” of sorts. We don’t know how long after “Moses” Julius lived, but it can’t have been that long. (Marfull thinks Moses was Musa ibn-Nusair and puts him in the 14th-15th century.) “Judaism” at this point was essentially an economic-political system based on piracy, conquest, banking, and prostitution. They worship their ancestors, the patriarchs.​
  • The papal court decides to create a new calendar to celebrate their dominion over the entire known world and synchronize calendars in their vast trade empire.​
  • They set the start date of their new calendar to 1500 AD, which is to say, the year 7000 since Creation, which is also to say the year 0 since everything resets after 7000 years.​
Interestingly, SH contributor @Jef Demolder also comes to the conclusion that the Julian calendar was created around 1500, but through an entirely different kind of reasoning:

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The origin of the Julian calendar

This brings us to the next turn of the screw, and the moment when all this was backdated. For Tamansky, the Gregorian reformactually took place later, after the Peace of Westphalia (1648), which caused the Roman Empire (until then perfectly pagan) to gradually become more and more Christianized. He sees the Protestants as the big winners of that conflict and his arguments are persuasive. If I understand it correctly, this is the moment the great forging operation occurred. “The Roman Empire of the Julio-Claudian, Flavian, and Antonine eras is the western part of Catholic Europe from the second half of the 15th to the middle of the 17th century – until the Peace of Westphalia and the division of Europe according to the ethnic and religious characteristics of the population.” In other words, “Ancient Rome” fell in 1648 (Pompeii, buried in 1631, is still Ancient Rome), and the newly Christian Catholic Church would be forced to rewrite its history to include Jesus Christ as well as tack the New Testament onto the Old. “After the Peace of Westphalia, the emperors, as the supreme commanders of the Roman Empire, which lost the "religious war" to the nationalist "Protestants", ceased to exist as an institution. It is from this moment that we need to begin the history of the Holy Roman Empire (the German nation) - the remnant of the former Roman Empire (like the Russian Federation now after the USSR).”

This is the how the Treaty of Osnabruck, which established the Peace of Westphalia, begins:

In the name of the most holy and individual Trinity: Be it known to all, and every one whom it may concern, or to whom in any manner it may belong, That for many Years past, Discords and Civil Divisions being stir'd up in the Roman Empire, which increas'd to such a degree, that not only all Germany, but also the neighbouring Kingdoms, and France particularly, have been involv'd in the Disorders of a long and cruel War: And in the first place, between the most Serene and most Puissant Prince and Lord, Ferdinand the Second, of famous Memory, elected Roman Emperor…

Not Holy Roman Empire…just Roman Empire.

Here’s another interesting extract:

It has at last happen'd, by the effect of Divine Goodness, seconded by the Endeavours of the most Serene Republick of Venice, who in this sad time, when all Christendom is imbroil'd, has not ceas'd to contribute its Counsels for the publick Welfare and Tranquillity; so that on the side, and the other, they have form'd Thoughts of an universal Peace. And for this purpose, by a mutual Agreement and Covenant of both Partys, in the year of our Lord 1641. the 25th of December, N.S. or the 15th O.S.

So Venice oversaw and “sponsored” the treaty. I didn’t know that. Also, check the calendar. I guess “N.S.” and “O.S.” refer to “New System” and “Old System”. But supposedly it’s been sixty years since the Gregorian reform. Also note that they started their deliberations in 1641 and finished in 1648. That’s seven years! What else were they hammering out behind closed doors?

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  • After the Peace of Westphalia, everything is reframed in such a way that AD no longer refers to ADAM but to the “New Adam”, JESUS. Tamansky suggests that this is why Jesus is traditionally shown crucified over Adam’s skull on Golgotha: to hammer home the new chronology visually. In this way, books published with “Anno Domini” dates can be retconned.​
  • If Jesus is now the one who was born 1650 years previously instead of Adam, suddenly you have a huge gap in history that needs to be filled up. In fact, you have two. All those AD years that previously were occupied by the Biblical patriarchs have just been banished to the newly invented “BC” era, which now also must be lengthened since the Old Testament is much longer than the New.​
  • This is when historians invent the “Dark Ages”. They can’t use the Bible to do so, since the New Testament ends with Jesus, so they fill it up with fake secular history.​
  • They also pad the BC timeline by extending the ages of the pre-Flood patriarchs to absurd lengths, sticking in a 600-year hiatus between Noah and the Flood, and inserting a fake 430-year Egyptian captivity. Is this when all those loser patriarchs who don’t even merit a description were inserted between the “real” ones? Who the hell are Kenan, Mahalel, Peleg, Reu, and Serug? I can only imagine they were interpolated in order to artificially lengthen the chronology. Note that the Septuagint and the Masoretic text give vastly differing ages for these patriarchs as well, adding up to a difference of about 1800 years, which shows that these numbers were tampered with by different groups for different purposes.​
  • The Ge’ez calendar in Ethiopia reckons 5508 years between Creation and the birth of Jesus, suggesting that it was also conceived after 1648.​
  • The reformed, now at least nominally Christian Catholic Church begins filling out the invented AD years by splitting notable figures of the previous two hundred years in two (or three, or four, or five) and then sending modified versions of their exploits back in time 1500 years under invented Latin names and keeping the more realistic version under their real names. This must have been a lot of fun. Remember, the Internet didn’t exist and no one knew anything about anything. How could they get caught? Perhaps it was at this moment that they realized that they could transform Latin, an artificial imperial lingua franca based on Romanian that had never actually been spoken anywhere, into the language of the mythical Ancient Rome. Remember, up to at least Kant (died in 1804), philosophers and scientists continued to use artificially Latinized names for international communication.​
  • Incidentally, it seems clear that the reason Romanian is so geographically isolated from other Romance languages (as well as more grammatically complex) is because it came first. On old maps, Romania is the land just to the west of Constantinople. There must have been an exodus from Constantinople (the Trojan War) and the Romanian-speaking exiles settled across the western Mediterranean, with the original Romanian language gradually separating out into Spanish, French, Italian, etc. Perhaps this event was projected back into the fake year 1182 as the Massacre of the Latins:​
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I find myself wondering if the Aeneid and the Iliad/Odyssey were written at the same time as competing propaganda accounts of the East-West schism. Tamansky thinks that the crucifixion of Christ, attributed by the Jews/Romans/Trojans to the Eastern infidels, was nothing but atrocity propaganda to get the crusades going as revenge for the Trojan War. I guess that this supposedly crucified Christ was more like Fomenko’s King Andronicus than like the later Jesus.

There are lots of other interesting connections here but I don’t want to get too distracted. Back to the calendar.

My oversimplified account of the sequence of epochs following the exile from Constantinople:
  1. There is some kind of proto-Jewish trade empire based in Spain/France with its own version of the Pope. Their language is Spanish/Catalan/Ladino, and they use it to run the New World.
  2. A branch of that empire moves to Italy, declares itself independent, and creates a new calendar. They are also pagan-Jewish. Are their differences ideological, or is it simply two rival family clans (i.e. Coloms vs. Colonnas) both claiming legitimate descent from the original Black Sea patriarch, David?
  3. After a period of conflict between the French/Spanish/Jewish branch and the new Italian branch (the Western Schism of 1378-1417), the latter “wins” and becomes the Roman papacy. The first pope after the schism is Martin V, a Colonna. Who was his avatar in “Ancient Rome”?
  4. That empire falls in the Peace of Westphalia (1648) and is forced to Christianize. The Protestant empire is closer in many ways to the Jewish empire that preceded the Roman empire (neither tolerate the old folk religions).
  5. One of the terms of the Peace is that the history has to be rewritten in order to create the illusion, mutually beneficial to both Protestants and Catholics, that Christianity is ancient. Is this when the remnants of the original Spanish/proto-Jewish empire usurped by the Catholics/Romans are stuck with the responsibility for “killing Christ”? Were there three players at the table, Jews, Catholics, and Protestants, with each trying to play the other two against each other? What exactly was Venice doing at the Treaty of Osnabruck?
  6. Presumably this is when the complete Bible as we know it is written and printed.
  7. 1492 is settled on as a “big bang” date close enough to the original Julian “big bang” date of 1500, and is used as a quilting point of the new history.
  8. Perhaps Columbus (Jewish) indeed conquered the New World around 1500, and was only rewritten in 1648 as a Christian Catholic. The 150 intervening years were enough time for the pyramids, etc. to be built all across South and Central America. Perhaps the Jewish injunction to destroy altars, groves, high places, idols, etc. was not a question of principle, but one of political expediency: the goal was not to eliminate “paganism” for moral or ideological reasons, but to centralize power in the Temple, the center of Jewish and later Catholic economic and spiritual control. Every conquered territory was given its own “Temple of Solomon”. When Wal-Mart rolls into town, its first goal is to kill off competing businesses…it isn’t until Protestantism that these ideas go from simple Realpolitik to moral ideology.

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I’m suddenly having an idea. Every society must have some native version of Christ for psychological reasons. We all know the feeling of ceding to our vices and then afterwards, in that moment of depressive clarity following the bender, fantasizing about a different kind of life, one based on higher ideals. Who is “Christ” if not the personification of that impulse to “be better”? Well, considering that pagan societies were generally organized around creating conditions for the hard-partying Fallen Angels to possess and exhaust the people in all kinds of orgiastic excesses, it makes sense to assume that “Christ” would be the god they pray to when they wake up hung over, abandoned by the possessing spirits, with an aftertaste of sacrificial human flesh and a vague memory of having screwed grandma. If we imagine that all of these trade empires exist simply to colonize faraway lands and transform them into farms of one sort of another, a certain order needs to reign. People who are drunk and demon-possessed all the time are not the best debt donkeys. What better way to calm their passions and get them to show up for work on time than by pushing them to worship whatever their local version of “Christ” is? Judaism, Catholicism, and Protestantism then become simply three different farm management techniques. Judaism - outright slavery, Catholicism - let the natives party as long as they pay, Protestantism - transform them into neurotic self-farming animals through Christ.

I’ve mentioned Alexander Tamansky and Andreu Marfull, but there’s one more person I'd like to bring up, namely Joseph Atwill. Remember, Atwill argues that the Jesus story was written by the Flavian Emperors of Rome to end the Jewish uprising. The story was written “typologically”, which is to say, by taking one story (the military conquest of Judea by Titus Flavius as recounted by Flavius Josephus) and using it as a template for the fictional story of Jesus Christ, with the goal of substituting a wimpy pacifist messiah for a conquering Davidic king. Atwill is not a chronological revisionist, but it doesn’t take much to make him one. It was under Vespasian and his sons that the New Testament was written, according to Atwill. If Vespasian was Pope Urban VIII (1623-1644), as Tamansky claims, that means he oversaw two-thirds of the Thirty Years’ War and the first three years of negotiation of the Treaties of Munster and Osnabruck. Remember, Tamansky argues that the Peace of Westphalia saw the Protestants forcing the pagan Catholics to at least superficially Christianize their system.

It’s just occurring to me that we have an example of irony here. If I understand correctly, Tamanksy is saying that the Julio-Claudians created the new calendar to place themselves at Year Zero (1500), and 150 years later, they found themselves banished by their own conquerors, the Protestants and reformers within the Catholic Church, deep into the very past they created from whole cloth.

For Atwill, it is under the Flavians (70-80 AD) that Christ is created. For Tamansky, it is just after the papacy of Pope Urban VIII (1623-1644) that the Catholic Church Christianized. If we put their research together, we can infer that Pope Urban VIII had a hand in the writing of the New Testament, and that the French/Spanish “Jews” who were “defeated” by the Romans around 1500 had not only refused to go away, but had become enough of a problem to warrant a major propaganda counterattack on the part of the Catholics as well as the Protestants.

Joseph Atwill believes that the destruction of Judea under Titus really occurred as described by Josephus, and was then transformed into the Gospels. We have to assume that in fact neither occurred as described, and both texts were written together as mirror images of each other. The action was banished to the faraway desert of Judea to hide the fact that it is a highly distorted account of events that took place in Europe. Was Josephus’ account of the Flavian campaign based on one of the massacres that took place during the Thirty Years’ War, for example the famous Sack of Magdeburg in which the Roman army surrounded and starved the Protestant city before finally breaking through and massacring nearly everyone inside?

Wikipedia tells us that Count Tilly, the leader of the imperial army wrote the following words to the Emperor:

Never was such a victory since the storming of Troy or of Jerusalem. I am sorry that you and the ladies of the court were not there to enjoy the spectacle.

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True depiction of the town of Magdeburg, as the same was, by his Excellency Lord Count of Tilly as Imperial general, in the year 1631, May 20th, 7 am, conquered and taken by storm; in which context with sword, arms and fire, about 30,000 souls in a few hours miserably perished. Such damage can be ascribed to none but their disobedience.

Again, isn’t this exactly why Rome supposedly razed Jerusalem? Disobedience? Magdeburg was an old Hanseatic city and one of Luther's biggest power bases.

Who was Martin Luther's avatar in fake antiquity? He was persecuted by Pope Leo X, who was Emperor Nero according to Tamansky. It was Nero who sent Vespasian to pacify Judea in 66 AD. Nero is more famous for persecuting Christians than Jews, however. Did Martin Luther invent Christianity?

It suddenly hits me. Martin Luther must have been rewritten as Saint Paul! It's almost too obvious now that I think about it. Nero had St. Paul beheaded.

It is interesting to note that it was also in precisely 1648, the same year as the Peace of Westphalia, that Sabbatai Zevi declared himself Messiah and converted half of the world’s Jews.

From Jewishhistory.org:

According to Kabbalistic tradition 1648 was destined to be a messianic year, and hopes for the coming of the messiah were raised throughout the Jewish world. It is, therefore, ironic that in 1648 a Messiah [Sabbatai Zevi] did reveal himself and gained wide popularity throughout the Jewish world – but caused a disaster of historic proportions, the results of which still reverberate through our time.

Was the Bible launched in 1648 to forestall a growing messianic Jewish movement within the empire? Was Sabbatai Zevi literally the “Antichrist” inasmuch as he appeared at the exact same time, preaching a diametrically opposed message? Where “Christ” preached redemption through goodness, Zevi preached redemption through sin – both of which are valid techniques, according to Lurianic Kabbalah, which, remember, comes from Spain, site of the original Jewish empire that was lost to the Catholic empire.

I will end this post with a final bit of speculation. The Hanseatic League was in some ways a "Roman Empire of the North". Their heyday was supposedly in the 14th and 15th centuries, with their influence declining after the discovery of the New World. Well, that puts them before the Roman empire, unless they too were sent back into an artificial past. One of the absurd contradictions of official history is the suggestion that the New World had been discovered for over a hundred years before anyone thought to colonize North America. I don't believe that. I am suddenly wondering if the Hanseatic League = Protestants the same way the Roman Empire = Catholics. Was their history rewritten as well, at the same time? Had they colonized North America with Christ at the same time that Columbus & co were colonizing Latin America with pyramids? Tamansky talks about this too in the videos linked above. The Catholics (remember, they were Jewish/pagan before being Christianized), through the different monastic orders like the Franciscans, generally tried to adapt their system to the local beliefs of their colonial subjects. Not because they were nice, but because they found this was the easiest way to get them to cooperate and produce. Local priests were given a lot of leeway to run their societies as they saw fit, as long as they delivered the taxes. What happened in North America, however, was quite different. The Protestant colonizers simply massacred the Indians and replaced them with helots from Europe. Is this why there are no pyramids North of Mexico?

Was it during the Peace of Westphalia that the simultaneous colonization of North and South America by Hanseatic Protestants and Roman Catholics was artificially divided into two separate chronological blocs? To go back to an idea advanced earlier, was "Christ" a Hanseatic-Christian colonial psychological trick to enslave the natives that the Jewish/Pagan Catholic Church eventually started using? I also want to add that the mudflooded cities of the US East Coast, from Boston down to Washington, look incredibly similar to German cities like Leipzig, with the same red brick architecture. Were these red brick row homes actually being built at the same time as the pyramids in Central America? I am reminded of this self-portrait of Frida Kahlo standing at the US-Mexico border:
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We tend to interpret images like this as representing the past versus the present, but what if these are just two different versions of the present?

I have to say that, having spent several years in Germany, I experience the German mentality and psychology as highly colonial (much more so than the Catholic), highly ideological, and highly dangerous. I can very easily imagine these people had a colonial past that was every bit as ruthless and wicked as the Roman/Catholic history that seems to get more attention here. Germans are fucked up people who still to this day believe they have not only the right but the obligation to "educate" other people (= transform them into Germans).​
 

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After reading your amazing research @Frostychud it came to my mind that from a brazilian perspective, it's possible that Brazil was either given to Portugal or stolen from whatever the old world was here

- Let's start with the alledged discovery year of 1500, it fits right into the start of the new calendar for the empire. Then pretty much nothing happens ultil 1555, when a group of french protestants tried to start a colony where today is Rio de Janeiro. They were, alledgedly, running from religious persecution. This supposed colony lasted until 1567, when portuguese troops expulsed everyone

- this was all started because, according to conventional narrative, the french were left out of the Tordesillas

- in 1612 a new french colony was also established by french protestants in what is today Maranhão. Short lived, lasted until 1615

-then, for some reason, the Dutch West Indies company decided to ocupy the same region in 1624, attacking first the capital. This ocupation lasted until 1654, but the major event alledgedly took place in 1648 with a major dutch defeat. This pretty much established portuguese dominion over Brazil.

-and as a side note, it's said that Portugal didn't participated in the Westphalia Peace, but somehow benefited from it because it gave the portuguese a sense of national identity (?????)

This is all the mainstream account of events, how would it all fit with the new timeline, i don't really know for the moment
 
I just realized that the version I linked to online is a heavily abridged version missing many chapters (it's only 144 pages whereas the Kindle edition is 622 pages). I am dying to get my hands on this damn book. Does anyone have the Kindle edition? Also, many of the videos on the YouTube channel have subtitles disabled. Does anyone have a workaround for this? Or better, a copy of the book?
 
I just realized that the version I linked to online is a heavily abridged version missing many chapters (it's only 144 pages whereas the Kindle edition is 622 pages). I am dying to get my hands on this damn book. Does anyone have the Kindle edition? Also, many of the videos on the YouTube channel have subtitles disabled. Does anyone have a workaround for this? Or better, a copy of the book?
http://flibusta.site/b/808439, 2018 edition though, contains 400 pages and in Russian. The English version seems to be newer and has more pages.
 
Does anybody is familiar with the book of the Russian Alternative historian Alexander Tamanski " The different history of the Roman Empire"? Lots of interesting researched results and info. He also have the Youtube channel with most of the info in the form of films he created. But it's all in Russian.. Curious if it's possible to get the Google or other online translators to watch in English?
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This reinterpretation of history, presented in A. Tamansky's "Another History of the Roman Empire," challenges widely accepted chronologies by proposing that Antiquity and the Renaissance are, in fact, the same era. The core argument is that historians in the 18th and 19th centuries deliberately manipulated historical events and timelines to serve specific political and religious agendas, creating a "correct" but ultimately false version of the past.




The Question of Historical Sources and the Rise of Chronicles​



The book begins by questioning the origins of historical study itself, suggesting that the need to analyze historical sources only truly emerged with the appearance of chronicles. Tamansky argues that the technical conditions for writing, suitable materials, and, crucially, a stable demand for chronicles, especially for mass production, did not exist before the era of printing. This demand for chronicles intensified with the high prices commanded by "ancient manuscripts," which spurred an "entire industry of counterfeiting antiques." Before printing, the primary patrons for expensive handwritten books were the Church and later university libraries, mainly for theological texts. Other genres, like novels or textbooks, lacked economic justification. The author posits that chronicles as a distinct literary genre only became widespread with the advent of cheaper paper and printing technologies. The mass demand for national histories, specifically "good" and "ancient" ones to differentiate nations, arose after the Peace of Westphalia (1648) and the emergence of nation-states.




Rome's Thousand-Year Architectural Anomaly​



Chapter One delves into a striking "thousand-year architectural gap" in Rome between the 4th and 14th centuries. During this extensive period, Tamansky claims "NOT A SINGLE building or structure was built that has survived to this day, even in ruins." All extant dilapidated buildings are deemed "ancient," while medieval structures pre-14th century are said to have "burned to the ground," been "destroyed by barbarians," or "rebuilt." The author points to the brickwork in supposedly "ancient" Roman monuments like the Baths of Caracalla and Circus Maximus, arguing that this technology was only "revived" in the 15th century. This architectural void is further highlighted by the official chronology of architectural styles, which, unlike other European cities, shows a noticeable absence of Romanesque or Gothic buildings bridging the gap between Roman antique and Renaissance architecture in Rome.




Siena: The Original Catholic Center?​



Chapter Two presents a radical idea: Siena, not Rome, was originally the center of the Catholic world. Evidence includes the inlaid marble floors of Siena Cathedral (built 1215-1263), which depict the Capitoline Wolf as Siena's symbol, with other cities like Rome (symbolized by an elephant) shown as subordinate. The author suggests the Romulus and Remus legend is a later invention, and the babies with the she-wolf are actually Senius and Ascius, Siena's mythical founders. The presence of papal symbols (tiara and keys) in Siena Cathedral further supports its historical papal significance. Pope Pius II (Aeneas Silvio Piccolomini) is identified as a key figure in the "founding" of Rome as the Catholic capital around 1460-1461. His suppression of a republican uprising in Rome, massacring its inhabitants, and the canonization of Catherine of Siena (a Sienese native) in 1461, hint that popes relocated from Siena to Rome, not from Avignon. The timely discovery of large alum deposits near Rome in 1461, crucial for textile dyes and gunpowder, could have propelled Rome's rise and its separation from Siena's influence. Tamansky concludes that 1460 or 1461 marks the true beginning of Rome's history as the capital of the Papal States and the center of the Catholic world.




The Triumph of Paganism in Renaissance Rome​



In Chapter Three, the author presents visual evidence from Vatican villas, papal tombs, and fountains to argue that Renaissance popes were "indifferent to Christian symbolism" but deeply invested in "pagan cult of ancient Roman gods and deities." Examples include Villa Giulia and Spada Palace decorated with fauns and the coats of arms of Pope Julius III and Henry II; Pope Pius IV's villa in Vatican Gardens; Pope Sixtus V's tomb with no Christian themes; Pope Leo XI's tomb flanked by Minerva and Fortuna; Triton Fountain commissioned by Pope Urban VIII featuring a sea god; and Pope Gregory XIII's tomb with Clio and Minerva. Even into the 19th century, Christian symbolism only gradually appeared on papal tombs. The author suggests that Renaissance popes lived a "pagan way of life," further underscored by Raphael Santi's burial in the Pantheon, a "temple of all gods." Tamansky concludes that the Renaissance is the "original" antiquity, from which a "tracing was taken to create 'Antiquity' and transfer inconvenient historical events into the distant past."




The Universal Nature of the Roman Church​



Chapter Four explores the "universal" (Catholic) nature of the Roman Church during the Renaissance. It cites the 1582 dialogue between Pope Gregory XIII's envoy Antonio Possevino and Ivan IV (the Terrible), where Ivan states that the "faith of Rome... is divided into sixty different faiths and confessions," implying the Catholic Church encompassed many religions. This aligns with Edward Gibbon's description of Roman religion as "compatible with all sects" and polytheistic. The chapter draws parallels between 16th-century popes and early Christian Roman emperors, both showing patronage to intellectuals and various philosophical schools. The author suggests that early Christians were persecuted not for their belief in Christ, but for their refusal to place Christ "among" other gods, insisting on monotheistic exclusivity.




When Did Gaius Julius Caesar Truly Live?​



Chapter Five posits that Gaius Julius Caesar lived in the 15th century, not the 1st century BC. This argument is based on medieval and Renaissance engravings, frescoes, tapestries, and book miniatures depicting Julius Caesar with the double-headed eagle of the Holy Roman Empire (HRE). The author stresses the strict adherence to heraldry in those times, making "anachronism" unlikely. The double-headed eagle was adopted as the HRE's national emblem under Emperor Sigismund in 1434. The chapter also provides evidence that the Roman Senate, associated with the "SPQR" motto, existed and functioned in the Middle Ages and Renaissance (e.g., participating in Charles V's coronation in 1530 and appearing on Rome's coat of arms from the 14th century), contradicting the official narrative of its disappearance around 630 AD.




Pope Julius II: The Real Julius Caesar?​



Chapter Six proposes that Pope Julius II (1503-1513) was the historical figure upon whom the image of Gaius Julius Caesar was based. The author notes the physical resemblance between Rex Harrison's portrayal of both figures in films. Pope Julius II, whose secular name was Giuliano della Rovere, was a "warrior pope" and "military leader," and held the title of Pontifex Maximus, also held by Gaius Julius Caesar. The chapter cites Dutch Wikipedia stating that Giuliano (Julius II) "led the army of Todi, Spoleto and Città di Castello as papal legate," suggesting he commanded military forces, a role traditionally associated with emperors. Pope Julius II "presented himself as a kind of emperor-pope" and led armies under the imperial slogan "Drive out the barbarians."




The Renaissance of Judaism in Christian Rome​



Chapter Seven argues that 16th-century Rome was not exclusively Christian but tolerant of various religions, including Judaism. Popes like Alexander VI Borgia and Leo X showed favor to Jews, allowing communities with synagogues and establishing a Hebrew department at the University of Rome. The chapter highlights the "turning to the Tanakh" (Old Testament) alongside pagan antiquity during the Renaissance, citing Michelangelo's sculptures of David and Moses. A commemorative medal of Pope Leo X (1513-1521) with the inscription "THE VICTORIOUS LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH" is presented as evidence that the Pope was not strictly Christian in the modern sense. The author contends that this contradicts the Nicene Creed (325 AD), which proclaimed separation from Judaism, suggesting the Council of Nicaea and its dogmas were later inventions or confirmations, specifically at the Council of Trent (1545-1563). The lack of Christian symbols on Pope Julius II's tomb, which features a "horned" Moses, further supports the blending of religious influences. The chapter asserts that 80% of the Bible is Judaism (Torah), questioning the narrative of early separation.




The True Age of the Old Testament​



Chapter Eight argues that the Old Testament, particularly Genesis, was written no earlier than the 15th century. This reasoning is based on the description of two technologies in Genesis that only appeared in the 15th century: the construction of large sea vessels (Noah's Ark), requiring industrially produced boards from mechanical sawmills (widespread in the 16th century), and multi-story buildings from baked brick (Tower of Babel), with standard fired bricks used in Russia from the end of the 15th century. The author posits that the Old Testament, like "The Tale of Bygone Years," was written during the era of emerging nation-states (Renaissance/Reformation), serving as an "ethnic 'inventory.'" The Tower of Babel story symbolizes the transition from an "imperial" era of unity to a "post-imperial" era of confused languages and scattered peoples. Ancient Bible manuscripts like the Vatican and Sinaiticus Codices were "first mentioned" or "discovered" in the 15th-19th centuries, and modern tests show some Dead Sea Scrolls are fakes.




The Battle of Alesia: Caesar with Cannons​



Chapter Nine analyzes Melchior Fezelen's 1533 painting "The Battle of Alesia," which depicts Caesar's army using cannons, guns (arquebuses), mortars, and the double-headed eagle of the Holy Roman Empire. The defending Gauls also have cannons. Official history labels these as "anachronisms," but the author argues that battle painters do not invent such details; they copy them from real life. The chapter contends that this painting depicts a real battle from the Burgundian Wars (late 15th century), suggesting that Gaius Julius Caesar was a military leader of that time, later becoming Pope Julius II. The presence of Swiss landsknechts, who served Giuliano della Rovere (future Pope Julius II) and later became the Vatican Guard, further supports this re-dating.




Caesar, Caesarea, and the Triumphal Columns​



Chapter Ten explores "Caesar" as a title for sovereign or emperor, noting its connection to "Kaiser" and "tsar." The author highlights that "Caesarea" was the name of the Holy Roman Empire. The Habsburgs, Holy Roman Emperors, traced their lineage back to the Julian dynasty and Gaius Julius Caesar. The noble Colonna family of Renaissance Italy is linked to the Habsburgs, as Charles V's coat of arms features two columns, and Marcantonio I Colonna was a close associate of Pope Julius II. Marcantonio II Colonna's monument displays the double-headed eagle of the HRE, and he celebrated a "triumph in the ancient Roman manner" in 1571, blurring lines between ancient Rome and the Renaissance. The chapter suggests that Mark Antony, Julius Caesar's close associate, was also an "emperor" in the Renaissance context. The "triumphal 'imperial' columns in Rome" (Trajan, Antoninus Pius, Marcus Aurelius) are associated with the Antonine dynasty, which the author connects to the Colonna family. The chapter questions how pagan columns honoring persecutors of Christians came to be topped with statues of Peter and Paul, suggesting that "the faith of Rome was divided into 60 different faiths and religions," where paganism and Christianity coexisted.




The Julian Calendar: A Renaissance Innovation​



Chapter Twelve (the first of two with this label in the provided text) addresses the Julian calendar, asserting that before 1500 AD, there was no international calendar; each state used its own. The author argues that the Julian calendar was introduced by Pope Julius II (or Julius Caesar, his earlier persona) around 1492 AD (the 7000th year from the Creation of the World), as a single imperial calendar for newly forming supranational structures. This calendar was based on a biblical postulate that "Adam was born in the middle of the sixth day of God, and for God one day is like 1000 years." The chapter contends that all documents dated before "1500 AD" or "7000 AD" are fakes. The author suggests that the "from Adam" era (Julian calendar) was later deliberately shifted to "from the Nativity of Christ" (Gregorian calendar) to obscure its true origin.




Gospel Events and the Rise of Banking​



The second "Chapter Twelve" argues that Gospel events took place at the end of the 15th century, as they required specific "technical conditions" such as metal coinage and banking infrastructure. The author notes that the oldest bank still in existence was founded in Siena in 1472, suggesting mass money circulation and banking infrastructure did not exist much earlier. The expulsion of bankers by popes and kings in earlier centuries (as described in official history) is deemed "nonsense," arguing that monetary circulation could not happen without banks. The appearance of metal money is linked to the era of printing (14th-15th centuries), when technologies for mass copying and production of various materials, including coins, appeared. The discovery of "ancient Roman" and Ottoman coins in Japan in the same hoard, officially dated to centuries apart, is presented as evidence that these empires and their coinage existed concurrently, around the 16th-17th centuries.




St. Peter's Crucifixion: A Late 15th Century Event?​



Chapter Thirteen claims that St. Peter was crucified at the end of the 15th or beginning of the 16th century. The author points out that the Vatican Hippodrome, where St. Peter was supposedly crucified under Emperor Nero in 64 AD, still existed in the mid-16th century, according to Pirro Ligorio's plan of Rome. This map also shows that the Vatican was still being built up with modern buildings alongside "ancient" structures. The author suggests that Emperor Nero is connected to Pope Leo X (Giovanni de' Medici), who was known for his secular lifestyle and personal command of troops in the Italian War of 1521-1526. The name "Nero" (meaning "black") is linked to Giovanni "delle Bande Nere" (meaning "of the Black Bands"), a condottiere often seen as a literary character used by historians to cover up Pope Leo X's military actions and association with the name Nero. An inscription on Leo X's tomb referring to him as "Princeps" and having the SPQRP (Roman Senate-Principate) abbreviation further blurs the lines between Renaissance popes and ancient Roman emperors.




Emperor Constantine I the Great: A 15th-Century South Slav?​



Chapter Fourteen challenges the traditional narrative of Constantine's conversion to Christianity and his historical dating. The "Donation of Constantine," a document claiming Constantine transferred power over Western Europe to the Pope, is presented as a forgery created by the papal curia around the mid-8th century, with its forgery exposed by Lorenzo della Valla in 1440 (published 1517). The author argues that this "fake" was likely "concocted" no earlier than the second half of the 17th century to legitimize the "Gift of Constantine" as an ancient document. Engravings from the 16th century depict Saint Helena, Constantine's mother, with a shield bearing a double-headed eagle and three crowns, symbols associated with Serbia and Macedonia. Since the double-headed eagle with halos was adopted by the Holy Roman Empire in 1434, this suggests Constantine existed around the 15th century, and was of South Slavic origin (born in Serbia). The Arch of Constantine, using "spolia" (elements from older monuments) and celebrating a civil war victory, is also implied to be a later construction.




Defining the "Roman Empire" and "Roman Emperors"​



Chapter Fifteen argues that the Roman Empire was not a single state but a "system of relations between the states... a customs union" or "trade union," akin to the EU or NAFTA. Roman legions are described as NATO-like units, serving the emperor who was chosen by local monarchs and crowned by the Pope. Emperors, holding an elective title often renewed annually, minted regional currency to pay their legions, allowing the imperial center to save on maintenance. The author states that in the late Roman Empire, there were "many emperors at the same time," each appointed to a specific military-administrative district (e.g., "Germanic," "Parthian"). The Roman Catholic Church played a crucial role by providing social infrastructure (schools, hospitals) and "civil servants" for the entire Empire through its orders and universities. The "religious wars" of the 16th-17th centuries are reinterpreted as conflicts over the distribution of income between local (national) and "federal" (imperial) authorities, with religious differences used as a mobilization tool. The chapter concludes that the Roman Empire existed from the second half of the 15th century until the Peace of Westphalia in 1648, which divided Europe into "national (ethno-confessional) apartments" and ended the institution of "Roman emperors."




Roman Emperors as Turkish Sultans: The Hagia Sophia Riddle​



Chapter Sixteen presents the radical claim that "ancient Roman" emperors and Turkish sultans lived at the same time. It uses the discovery of "ancient Roman" and Ottoman coins in the same Japanese hoard (officially dated centuries apart) as primary evidence. The chapter argues that Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent (1494-1566) wearing a papal tiara and Sultan Mehmed III (1595-1603) wearing a crown with a cross indicate that they were not Muslims in the modern sense, or that Islam then had different canons. The Quran's depiction of Jesus (Isa) as a prophet, rejection of the crucifixion, and only a single mention of Muhammad are noted. Mosaics in St. Mark's Basilica and Hagia Sophia depicting figures with Christian symbols (crosses, Christ's monogram, tiaras) resembling those of sultans further support the argument. Plans of Constantinople from 1520 and 1572 show a Romanesque-style Hagia Sophia, not the modern cross-domed one, and no mosques or minarets, implying the current Hagia Sophia was built much later than the official 6th century date. The author contends that "Turks" was a Western invention for the peoples of Constantinople (Eastern Rome), and that Ottoman (Turkish) language was created only in 1928 by Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, with the Ottoman Empire originally using Church Slavonic as a leading language at court. The chapter concludes that the Ottomans were a dynasty of Eastern Roman emperors with South Slavic roots, who adopted an "Eastern image" to distinguish themselves from the West.




The Baptism of Rus': A Later, Different Meaning​



Chapter Seventeen questions the official date and meaning of the "Baptism of Rus'." It highlights Antonio Possevino's 1582 claim that Christianity was established in Rome "twelve centuries earlier than in Muscovy," a difference twice as large as the official 675 years between 313 AD (Rome) and 988 AD (Rus'). The Cathedral of St. Basil the Blessed (1555–1561) is presented as evidence against early Christianization, noting its initial lack of an iconostasis and floral frescoes, which do not fit Christian canons. The "988 AD" date for the Baptism of Rus' is attributed to German historians Bayer, Miller, and Schlozer in the 18th century, to align Russian history with the "extended history of Western Europe." The author proposes that "baptism" (kreschenie) does not derive from "cross" or "Christ," but from "kresalo" (flint), meaning "to strike a flint with a fire-starter," signifying initiation or coming to life. The flint is noted as a sacred symbol in various cultures and on coats of arms. The presence of "baptism" among Jews in the Gospel of John is cited as evidence of its pre-Christian origin. The chapter also discusses the Roman plaque on the Spasskaya Tower of the Moscow Kremlin (dated 1491), which mentions Ivan Vasilyevich tracing his lineage to Augustus Caesar, further reinforcing Moscow's connection to the Roman Empire during the Renaissance period. Isidore of Kyiv, Metropolitan of All Rus' (1438-1458), is revealed to be a Catholic from the noble Roman Colonna family, buried in Rome. The idea of "Moscow - the Third Rome" is argued to have appeared no earlier than 1589, when Moscow received patriarchal status.




The Council of Trent: After the Religious Wars?​



Chapter Eighteen argues that the Council of Trent, officially dated 1545–1563, actually took place after the Religious Wars (ending 1648) and the Peace of Westphalia. The author questions why the council would occur in the middle of ongoing wars and why it took over a century for another Catholic council to be held. It's contended that the council's purpose was not to "give an answer to the Reformation" but to formalize the "new confessional principles" that emerged after the Protestants secured a significant part of Europe. The chapter highlights that the Council of Trent "accepted almost ALL the provisions of the so-called Augsburg Confession of the Protestants." This, coupled with the fact that the Nicene Creed ("Triune God") was "confirmed" at Trent, suggests there was no established Nicene Creed before the Protestants adopted "their" creed. The author concludes that Christianity, as an exclusive religion, was born in the Protestant environment to unite peoples against the papal throne.




Operation "Anno Domini": Hiding History​



Chapter Nineteen details how the "Anno Domini" dating system was part of a political project to push Christian history into deep antiquity. The author argues that the Council of Nicaea (325 AD), where Jesus Christ was recognized as God and Arianism condemned, was the "real reflection" of the Council of Trent (1545-1563). The dogma of the Trinity (God the Father, God the Son, Holy Spirit) was a "joint political project of Protestants and Catholics" to make Christ "God (Domini)" and legitimize the "anno domini dating" in numerous historical sources. The original meaning of "anno ab incarnatione domini" ("in the year from the incarnation of the Lord") referred to the incarnation of God in Adam. This meaning was later substituted to "from the Nativity of Christ." The chapter cites the mass execution of "several hundred thousand unfortunate Piedmontese and thousands of Calabrians suspected of belonging to the Protestant faith" in 1561 by Pope Pius IV as evidence of the Church's systemic power, indicating a major conflict needing to be hidden. The unification of the Pentateuch of Moses (Catholic) and the Gospel (Protestant) into one Bible is seen as an act of reconciliation after the Peace of Westphalia. Debates over the Trinity and other Christian dogmas continued well into the 17th-19th centuries, suggesting these dogmas were newly established at Trent. The presence of Adam's skull and bones at the base of the Crucifixion cross in Renaissance art symbolizes the replacement of the "from Adam" era with the "from Christ" era.




The Gregorian Calendar: A 17th-Century Innovation?​



Chapter Twenty argues that Arabic numerals and the decimal system appeared much later than officially claimed, no earlier than the 17th century. Russia's use of the Cyrillic numeral system until 1703 and the publication of multiplication tables in Cyrillic in 1682 are presented as evidence that these systems were not widespread in Europe centuries earlier. The author suggests that the Gregorian calendar, introduced by Pope Gregory XIII in 1582, was invented no earlier than the second half of the 17th century. Its stated reasons—to correct Easter dating and align the vernal equinox with March 21—are questioned. The precise calculation of a 10-day shift since the Council of Nicaea (325 AD) is deemed improbable given the lack of heliocentric theory acceptance by the Vatican until much later. The Paschalia, a complex method for calculating Easter, was invented to legitimize the new extended chronology. The chapter cites a bronze medal of Pope Gregory XIII celebrating the St. Bartholomew's Day massacre (1572) as evidence that his priorities were not calendrical reform but fighting Protestants.




Moscow – The Third Rome in the Renaissance Context​



Chapter Twenty-One analyzes the concept of "Moscow - the Third Rome." The author argues that Ivan the Terrible's claim of lineage from Augustus Caesar and Moscow's declaration as the Third Rome (late 1523 - early 1524) only make sense if "Antiquity is the Renaissance." The "fall" of the "two Romes" (Rome and Constantinople) before Moscow became the "Third" is reinterpreted. Rome's "sack" in 1527 did not constitute a "fall," and Constantinople in the 16th century was still in the "dawn" of Christianity, not "at the feet of the infidels" (as shown by maps with no mosques). The author proposes that Moscow, or Muscovy, gained geopolitical significance in the second half of the 16th century, becoming the third control center of a single "Roman Empire." This empire had three centers: Rome (Western and North-Eastern Europe), Constantinople (South-Eastern Europe, Middle East, North Africa), and Moscow (controlling the "Astrakhan - Arkhangelsk" waterway). Moscow's status as a patriarchate in 1589 formalized its position. The chapter also highlights Metropolitan Isidore of Kyiv (mid-15th century) being a Catholic from the Roman Colonna family, demonstrating Moscow's entanglement with Western imperial structures.




The 17th Century: Still "Antiquity"​



Chapter Twenty-Two provides evidence that the "ancient" period extended into the 17th century. A 1652 world map by Nicolas Piscator depicts 12 Roman Caesars from Julius Caesar to Domitian, suggesting these emperors were contemporary figures or their stories were still unfolding in the 17th century. The author argues against the "anachronism" explanation, noting the specific selection of emperors implies a contemporary relevance. The chapter's most compelling evidence is the eruption of Mount Vesuvius, officially dated to 79 AD, but presented as occurring in 1631. This is supported by 1575 maps showing Pompeii as a "living city" and a 1633 Jesuit book detailing the 1631 eruption, even showing pre- and post-eruption towns including Pompeii and Herculaneum. The aqueduct built by Domenico Fontana (1543–1607) under Pompeii at the end of the 16th century is cited as "irrefutable" proof that the city was not buried in 79 AD, as Fontana would have discovered it then. The chapter also suggests a connection between Emperor Titus Flavius Vespasian ("Kaiser Titus," painted 1622) and Pope Urban VIII (1623-1644), noting the similar "wasp-like" meaning of their names.




Reconstructing the Roman Empire's History​



The concluding Chapter Twenty-Three synthesizes Tamansky's reconstructed history:

  • Constantinople (Rome on the Bosphorus) was the center of world commodity flows until the second half of the 15th century.
  • Western Europe gained a technological advantage due to its Alpine resources.
  • The "Trojan War," "Church Schism of 1054," and "capture of Constantinople by the Turks in 1453" reflect the expulsion of Western Europeans from Constantinople by other clans.
  • Pope Pius II (Aeneas Silvius Piccolomini) is seen as the "reflection of the Trojan Aeneas," founding the new Rome in Italy.
  • "Turks" were a Western invention for the Eastern Romans.
  • Crusades before the 15th century are fictional.
  • Jesus Christ is a real person from the late 15th century (or composite image), with his story later mythologized.
  • The crucifixion myth was invented in the West to demonize "Turks" and justify "crusades."
  • The Roman Empire of the "ancient" eras was the Western Catholic Europe from the late 15th to mid-17th century, a "customs union" that fragmented after the Peace of Westphalia.
  • "Caesar" was the highest imperial title of secular power, and "Emperor" the highest military title.
  • The Holy Roman Empire is an invention by historians to replace the real Roman Empire.
  • The Ottoman Empire was the Eastern Roman Empire until the mid-17th century, with Arian Christianity as its state religion, from which Islam gradually developed as a protective measure against the West.
  • The "Hundred Years' War of Religion" is a myth used to fill the historical space cleared by the re-dating of the Roman Empire.
  • "Religious wars" were actually conflicts between the Roman Empire and national elites over income distribution.
  • Antiquity is the Renaissance, with the "Dark Ages of the Middle Ages" being a political project of Protestants and Catholics.
  • The unification of Catholic and Protestant scriptures into the Bible was an act of reconciliation after Westphalia, implying the Council of Trent occurred post-1648.
The chapter concludes by likening the Roman Empire's capitalist cycle to the British Empire's and the current US-led empire, suggesting empires are not eternal and human development continuously evolves.
 
To add to the pot:
There was a fort on Hadrian's wall at Burgh by Sands, known to Romans as Aballava. In the 3rd century AD it was home to a contingent of troops from North Africa called ‘the Aurelian Moors', named after the Emperor Marcus Aurelius. These soldiers are likely to have settled in the area and had families there.

How do we know? Well, in 1934 a Roman altar was found reused as a building stone in a cottage in nearly Beaumont, recording a dedication to Jupiter by Caelius Vibianus, commander of the Numerus Maurorum Aurelianorum (The Unit of Aurelian Moors), who would have been recruited from the Berber people of Mauretania, now present day Morocco and West Algeria. The altar is dated to about AD 253-8. (R G Collingwood & R P Wright, The Roman Inscriptions of Britain, Vol 1, (Oxford University Press, 1965) RIB 2042, p626).

Some time later, maybe as much as a hundred years later, the Notitia Dignitatum, a list of all the commanding officers and regiments of the Roman Army, lists per Lineam Valli (along the line of the Wall) Praefectus Numeri Maurorum Aurelianorum, Aballava (the Prefect of the Unit of Aurelian Moors, at Aballava. (A L F Rivet & Colin Smith, The Place-Names of Roman Britain, (Cambridge University Press, 1979), p.220). By this date, the regiment would have been recruiting locally, particularly from the sons of serving soldiers married to local women.

The first recorded African community in Britain [Background] Burgh by Sands | Cumbria County History Trust

A brief discussion on potential Ethiopian Roman troops
www.romanarmytalk.com/rat/showthread.php?tid=16718&pid=230186#pid230186
 
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There is so much good info that it is hard to process. I have had to reread several times, follow and read links, research items myself, etc. And this kind of info is hard to accept, so even more mental processing required.

This suggested framework does make some sense and allow some puzzle pieces to fit into place.

The Sabbatai Zevi thing has never quite felt right. How is it possible for whole groups of people to switch their religions back and forth? Today we think of religion as a belief system based on faith. Back then, religion must have been thought of very differently - otherwise Zevi's group could not have converted. How could it sit right in a person to grow up believing that the Messiah has not yet come, and then switch to believing the Messiah has come and it's Muhammed?!

Zevi and his followers had to move to Albania, but maintained power and respect. They had to support the Sultan and Islam openly. But it's said they carried on their traditions as Crypto Jews. Albania is very near to the Eastern Iberia which is discussed in the thread below suggesting an ancient Jewish kingdom based on the Iberian peninsula south of France. Both Western Iberia and Eastern Iberia were gold and metal mining areas. And both were run by the same people, who were King Solomon's Jewish subjects. The metal would be mined, smelted, refined, worked into jewelry and other items, sold to wholesale merchants, transported overland or by water, then sold at local markets all over the world. King Solomon's Jews would have controlled the chain at every level, a vertical monopoly.

When you remove 1000 false years, it's very likely that the network I described above was still intact and needed a strong leader to manage the enterprise. The Sultan had broken the Jews and won whatever war he was fighting. The forced conversion of Zevi and his followers was an act of submission. The Sultan was now going to be able to tax the trade network in Albania. Which was connected to the traditional Silk Road trade network. The conversion was a change in allegiance to paymaster. Not a conversion in the spiritual belief in a higher power.

The Sabbatai Zevi situation makes more sense to me now that I have reasoned this out with the framework suggested by @Frostychud 's research. Meaning that the Jews were not specifically a religion, but more of a merchant empire that manipulated the East and the West from the middle. These people WERE able to give up their religion/change their faith/commit apostasy precisely because it was NOT a spiritual belief system.

Post in thread 'Was the temple of King Salomo in Spain, Part 03' Was the temple of King Salomo in Spain, Part 03

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It seems that the Jewish Expulsion from Western Iberia was really a planned relocation that got reported in history differently than it happened. Like what was done to the French Acadians that were taken from their homes in what is now Eastern Canada all the way to Louisiana. Or like what happened with the five different forced migrations of Native tribes that made up the Trail of Tears debacle, going from the trees and waters of their homes to the dry dirt of Indian Territory. Or what is currently happening in Gaza.

History makes it sound like the Spanish Jews had options, meaning the ability to convert but was it really a large scale relocation? It seems like they were probably war refugees.
 
Unfortunately this is debunked racism. The equation of "African" with "Black people". The Moors/North Africans looked like the North Africans of today. The article you linked to is clearly trying to push an agenda. While a North African community in Britain is interesting, it is not for the reason that the writer of that article (falsely) claims it to be.
 
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