SH Archive Where was Jesus really crucified: Golgotha or Cordoba? Where was the real Jerusalem?

[Gladius]

This makes a mockery of the Crusades and the Knights Templar.

The words "less important" meant to reflect how Jewish scholars viewed it, not me personally
Anyway it's not mockery of the Crusades, they seemed to know where it was, and it was important back then. Is the location which they went to, still has importance? And if yes, is it a human importance or some cosmic importance? We don't know...

As for today's Jerusalem, despite all the very extensive underground works going on there, I don't think it has any cosmic importance. Even the Islamic attention to it seems to have risen only after Israel seized it in '67. In 1917, The Turks surrendered it to the British without a siege, without a fight.
It is the chosen site for the 3rd Temple, in which the 2 others probably never existed. Here the Masonic principle will come out in the open, and bring the 3 Abrahamic religions together in a degenerate, reformist approach.
Jewish sects are already rehearsing the priestly patterns. Today you can find "courses" in Jerusalem that prepare people to do the Temple's work. Very cringe.

However I'm not saying that the previous Jerusalem was in this form as well. The PTB of today tend to make degenerate remakes of glorious things.

 

[Deleted member 37]

Interesting topic. The middle-east is certainly significant, but I also see some sort of misdirection regarding the true location of Jerusalem. The equivalence of Roman and Norman history regarding the attack on that city is what brings me to think that at least the original city was in that area. Maybe!!!

What lets me think of other options are newspaper articles such as this one: 'The Rochschilds buy Jerusalem'

Articles like this plus the families' interest in history and the rise of 'semitism' only in the last two centuries makes me think about a colossal scam.

 

[Gladius]

Actually among Jewish sources it's commonly known that Rotschilds massively bought properties in Jerusalem, and in all Israel in general.
A town was named after a Rothschild already in 1880's. (Zikhron Yaakov, 'memory of Jacob (rothschild)'.

Obviously a scam is always involved wherever this name buys property.
Many odd and contradicting things happened in Jerusalem to indicate that.
In 1967, Israel conquers the entire of Jerusalem, including the holy sites which Jews and Muslims share. Right aftet, in a haste, the Israelis appoint a Muslim council to govern the site, and gives them higher authority than the government itself. They're allowed to dig and modify the site as they wish. It is even a mainstream acknowledgement that they're destroying (allegedly) Jewish artifacts or remnants of jewish history. Is that the way victors treat the defeated? Why'd the Israeli government allow this, for 60 years already? Aren't they in a huge, ongoing propaganda battle to secure the confirmation of their existence and history? It's as if they let the enemy burn their ammunition.

The way I see it, they need to use the corrupted 'bad guys' to handle the disposal of evidence, and ensure a discreet process in which no Jews can be involved. There are mass diggins going over there. This tells me that on one hand, in light of the volume of disposal work, Jerusalem does have a rich history, and wasn't just some outpost. On the other hand, its origins are probably so far off from the constructed myth, due to this zealous prevention of outside access. The truth about Jerusalem, if found, may be too big of a hit not only for chronology, but to entire cultures and world order in general.

 

[Deleted member 37]

Actually among Jewish sources it's commonly known that Rotschilds massively bought properties in Jerusalem, and in all Israel in general.

Do you have some sources to read? Also for the following story about Muslims. Thanks

 

[Gladius]

Do you have some sources to read? Also for the following story about Muslims. Thanks

Sure, best is to look in Hebrew sources. I collected some examples and translated them. Some of this stuff can't be found in English.
Edit: In relation to the thread's main subject, I think that the direction I used here can also be applied to the Christian sites associated with Jesus, and see how their owners had dealt with them.

Rothschild
The more relevant member here is Edmond James de Rothschild (1845-1934)
[Grandson of Mayer Amschel Rothschild, known as the house founder]

- There is one source I like, the website of "M.T.H" , a private educational company founded by the Rothschilds, that literally dominates the Israeli education system by 'securing' all the contracts for the materials, school books and etc. therefore = they dictate the narrative itself.
The following article speaks of Baron E.J Rothschild's 5 tours to Israel.
1st segment says, shortened:

"On the 1st visit, in 1887, he went to Jerusalem first thing, to pray at the wailing wall. (temple mount)... ... ... In his hotel had visited the Turkish governor of the city. That visit spread a loud rumor, that the Baron is asking to purchase the wailing wall and its surroundings... he then continued touring the education and charity foundations, established by him and his family..."
Nice rumor there with a probable basis.

- His Hebrew wikisays:
"In the days of the 1st jewish migration, he was extensively engaged with buying lands off the Ottomans and local Arabs. ... ...
The volume of lands that he purchased directly, or by his companies, exceeded the volume purchased by all the Zionists altogether."

"Founded the first Hebrew-speaking school in Jeruslaem, Evelina de Rothschild."

"In his last days, he financed many archeological digs in Israel. In 1913 he purchased the eastern part of City of David [Jerusalem's ancient 'royal part'], and convinced the French-Jewish archeologist Raymond Weill to perform digs at the site. Rothschild continued to finance even more digs, under Weill, in 1923-24. Due to the land's purchase, the territory became void of houses, and so the digs could continue for much later by the archeologist Igal Shilo, without interruption."

It's said that Raymond Weill was first to identify the site as "King David's city", after the digging. Why did Rothschild need to 'convince' him
to dig specifically there? Weill was also an Egyptologist, a commonly 'masonic' job at the time, IMO.

Interesting dark fact: Igal Shilo continued to dig into the 80's, when he exposed a new part called "G section". Israel's Rabbis claimed that he uncovered ancient Jewish graves (classic excuse), and that he mustn't continue digging. In '81, the high court of Israel ruled against him and took away his license, while citing in contradiction, that he's actually in the right. [link] The Rabbis also held a
Kabbalistic death-curse ritual against Shilo, and he died 2 years later from cancer, age 50. The digging didn't continue.
{ many others are known to have been 'struck by lighting' after such rituals... including 2 prime ministers: Yitzhak Rabin, Ariel Sharon
Similarly to Igal Shilo, an architect named Eyal Ragunis received the 'curse' after interacting with old Jewish graves, during a renovation he was doing in Jaffa city. He was a top-notch Special Forces officer, and later a successful architect. Died shortly after, age 37.
Personally I believe those 'rituals' have no real hand-of-god kind of power, but they're used to signal the intentions of the PTB, much like how Hollywood advertises the coming 'execution' of celebrities through subliminal messages. }

- Rothschild Family wiki cites:
"The Israeli Parliament building, and the Supreme Court building were donated to Israel by the Rothschilds". [Both in Jerusalem]

- If we go back to the original news piece, "Rothschild is buying Jerusalem", it's definitely exaggerated, but there's an aspect of truth to it.
Rothschild were mainly interested in Israel's agricultural lands, and they invested in those way more than in Jerusalem. However in Jerusalem, it is not about the volume of land, but the locations themselves. Also, the Vatican has a significant number of properties there.
I believe most of us had a read or two about Vatican-Rothschild connection. Must the family hold all of its assets directly? Nope, there are always friends for that. Even on mainstream wiki we find such article: Rothschild's donation to the Holy See, in 1832, a sum equivalent to more than $5 billion dollars of today).
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Muslim Waqf in Temple Mount

In Islam there's an organization term called Waqf وقف
It exists in many places, and it is a body that is entrusted with keeping of holy sites.
Jerusalem Isalmic Waqf

Wiki: "The Jerusalem Islamic Waqf is an Islamic religious trust (sometimes called an "Islamic Religious Endowments" organization) best known for controlling and managing the current Islamic edifices on and around the Temple Mount in the Old City of Jerusalem, including the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock. Some form or another of the waqf has governed access to the Haram esh-Sharif since the Muslim reconquest of the Kingdom of Jerusalem in 1187, with the latest version instituted by the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan after its conquest and occupation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem during the 1948 war. Accordingly, the King of Jordan currently supplies all of the funding needed to operate the waqf, which is in effect the civil administration for the holy site.
Israel occupied the Old City of Jerusalem during the Six-Day War of June 1967. After the end of hostilities, Israel let the waqf retain authority over the Temple Mount".

Originally, the Waqf existed in all Palestine, and was the de-facto governing body, under the Ottomans.
It should be noted, that the Israeli government forbids any media access to the Waqf, since ever.
Most of the claims of destruction made by the Waqf, aren't well documented - the media is barred from covering it. Prior to the 90's,
only few cases managed to come out. It is simply 'common knowledge' in Israel, and among Arabs too. The Waqf itself does not deny it, as it enjoys the fame it gets from the Islamic world.

1985: A snippet from the Parliament conversations, where it is asked: Where are the documents or maps that validate the Waqf's right to the territories which they claim, and are given to them? A question is raised, whether the government will persecute the Waqf by law, for the destruction of antiques in the Temple Mount?

1996: An Israeli article summarizes a case in which the Waqf performed massive work without notifying the authorities, on a location below the Temple Mount called Solomon's Stables.
The Greco-Roman structure is claimed to belong to the Jewish Kingdom of the 2nd century. When 'discovered' in the midages by the Knights Templar, they had used it as horse stables, and the 'Solomon' is named after them. When the Muslims re-conquered Jerusalem, the building was blocked, never to be used again. In '96, the Waqf turned it into a mosque named El-Marwani. The mosque was built underground, for which the Waqf wanted to build an 'emergency exit': they dug a 12 meters deep, 36x43m hole, and excavated 6,000 cubic meter of sand and rock - an enormous size in terms of Jerusalem archeology.
When an investigation went to find who approved it, they found that the (claimed freemason) Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak gave a personal, unwritten authorization. This fact was not denied.

Solomon's Stables, now known as El-Marwani Mosque

2000: Following dramatic destruction events in the 90's, an Israeli organization was founded:
"The Public Committee to Prevent Destruction of Temple Mount's Antiques"
It was nothing small - it had members such as leading archeologists, former judges and generals.
They fought for many years against the Waqf and tried to document everything they do. Their biggest 'enemy', however, was the
Israeli government. Israel has a rule of censorship, forbidding any media group from accessing the Waqf's dominion over the mount.
The committee had failed in its effort to cancel that rule. An old website of theirs contains much photographic evidence of illegal Waqf works.

2007: A group of former Israeli army generals sue the Waqf in the supreme court, blaming them for destruction of archeological content, while they were conducting mass 'renovation' to the temple site, using heavy machinery, unsupervised. The court, and parliament, closed the case saying "everything is done properly" without elaborating. [ verdict link]

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It must be accented that Israel itself is way more involved in the modification, or destruction of the old city. The interesting part is that the so-called 'enemy' is given authority over the most delicate parts, and has a free hand in its works there.

 

[Frostychud]

There are many threads about Jerusalem and its exact location on this website. I picked this one because of the excellent contributions by the OG Gladius.

The following story from Andrew Pustogarov's "1492: The Beginning of History" got me thinking:

In 1658, Nikon left the capital and moved to the Resurrection Monastery, 40 km from Moscow.​

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After Nikon's departure, "in fact, Alexei himself assumed the responsibilities of leading the church administration... The Monastic Prikaz began to overturn Nikon's orders concerning the management of church lands and even returned a number of patriarchal holdings to the state" (Georgy Vernadsky, The Tsardom of Moscow, Chapter 5).​

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Having left Moscow, Nikon did not abandon his claims to power. Forty kilometers from Moscow, on the Istra River, he began building a monastery called Jerusalem. Later, at his trial in 1666, Nikon was accused of "naming the monastery Jerusalem, and giving various places in its vicinity the proud names of Bethlehem, Golgotha, Jordan, and others" (Znamensky, IV, Chapter 1). The Istra River was renamed the Jordan, the hill above it housing the monastery was named Zion, to the east stood the Mount of Olives with the stone Chapel of the Mount of Olives, and to the north stood Mount Tabor. A women's monastery named Bethany was also founded. The Cathedral of the Resurrection of the Lord still houses the edifice—the Holy Sepulchre—a small cubic structure with a low entrance.​

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As we have already noted (see 1.6.1), the transfer of the center of power (translatio imperii) was usually accompanied by the transfer of the name of the holy city (translatio nominis). In this case, the "transfer" of the holy city most likely occurred not from distant Jerusalem, but from Moscow, where Jerusalem (the so-called Pokrovsky Cathedral) and Golgotha (the so-called Lobnoye Mesto) were located on Red Square.​

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It should be emphasized that, given the underdeveloped means of transportation and the scarcity of information sources, the Holy Land on the Istra River would have been perceived by the country's population not as a copy of an existing Jerusalem (especially since it was captured by the Hagarenes), but as a completely real shrine—the place where Christ was resurrected. The lord of the monastery, as the custodian of the holy place, would receive sanction for supreme power in the country.​

In other words, if you want to open a McDonald's, you get a franchise from company headquarters and then build a restaurant that follows certain tried and true architectural layout.

Or if you don't want to pay the 10% franchise fee, you can simply copy the design canons of McDonald's without permission, like these restaurants:

MaDonal: The best McDonald's restaurant rip-offs

(I saw the "Kolonat" in Tirana in 2011, but I didn't eat there.)

It looks like Nikon was trying to start his own bootleg "Jerusalem", taking advantage of the fact that the illiterate locals would, after a generation or two, think that Christ had actually been crucified there.

There are articles on this website arguing that the "real" Jerusalem was in Russia, Japan, France, Spain, California, South Africa, Istanbul, and probably ten other places.

Alexander Tamansky shows that the maps and descriptions of Jerusalem from the 16th century (I think) do not correspond to today's Jerusalem but rather to a now-destroyed city somewhere in Turkey. I forget the exact dates but at some point around the 17th century the old Jerusalem was replaced by the one in Israel. Sorry to be vague, you'll have to watch the videos yourself.

What if "Jerusalem" is just a set of architectural blueprints (presumably based on some original which may or may not still exist, but which probably isn't the one in today's Israel) that have been passed down as part of a social technology, namely, slavery through religious ideology?