SH Archive World population: where are the missing trillions of people?

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Username: SonofaBush
Date: 2019-10-31 14:02:21
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Personally, I am a bit bewildered. The accepted narrative makes sense if batteries, wood, fossil fuels, nuclear, wind, solar, and geothermal are the only sources of power possible and despite being around 200-some thousand years we just developed the current tech in the last few centuries. Even if developing current technology requires hybridization per Leif Ekblad's Neanderthal Theory with H.s.s being the copiers and H.s.n. being the developers (according to Ekblad the inventions were made by Neanderthals, what "humans" did in the Neolithic was to copy them through trade). If catastrophes keep happening, I suppose that perhaps the geological timeline could be off an order of magnitude. One possibility is that hybridization occurred more like 4,000 years ago than 40,000. Then this one spike might make sense.

If Cro-mags have been around much longer than 4,000 or so years and modern humans around longer than about CE 1600 or even about CE 1840 (in which case Mike Pence has gotten at least two things right -- 1) the Old Testament and 2) The Flintstones is a documentary), perhaps even more like an order of magnitude or two the other way, then the past (and the current) become much more difficult to make any sense out of.
 
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Username: mythstifieD
Date: 2019-11-02 16:12:32
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Thanks for sharing this! Super super interesting!

I wonder if those ridiculously low growth rates is because of the effect of artificially stretching out history beyond what really happened? If we redid the math with Fomenkos chronology instead, would the growth rate resume a more realistic 1-2%?

Think about it. Where do we ironically find the most births? In impoverished places. Farm families as well. Industrialization and automation actually lowers and stabilizes the birth rate.
 
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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2019-11-02 16:29:43
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Well, if anything, bad medicine and lack of food we see in a lot of the impoverished countries, demonstrate that they do not stop people from multiplying. This in turn puts a serious dent into the official narrative.
 
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Username: RioFavela
Date: 2019-12-02 00:46:12
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Are you aware about Tom Pickett's studies regarding pre-flood population? According to his calculations, 5 to17 billion people would appear to be reasonable populations, with an average of around 10 billion! He quotes another studies (Lambert Dolphin is also worth reading) and they all use the same formula:

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I feel this World Population topic deserves to be explored in depth! Thank you @KorbenDallas for starting it!

Tom Pickett Pre Flood Population
Lambert Dolphin - World Population Since Creation
 
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Username: irishbalt
Date: 2019-12-02 02:26:40
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And at the same time they tell people that the African population is exploding (it has been despite Bill and Melinda Gates plus endless war) and it is the poorest continent. Have their cake and eat it too.
 
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Username: dianag
Date: 2019-12-04 15:19:55
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Just watched this video on YouTube. The man discusses where all the bodies went from different wars during different periods. During the Napoleonic and other wars bodies were disposed of in various ways from burial, cremation, to being shipped back to England to be used by farmers who ground up the bones as fertilizer. There was a huge market for teeth in good condition which were taken from the dead on the battle field and sold to be used in dentures.

 
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Username: dejavu
Date: 2020-01-22 23:42:48
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What a fascinating topic! I read through the thread and a few things came to mind, but I didn’t see a direct reference to this from what I can see, so I wanted to ask…

I get that the missing population could be accounted for in different ways due to possible burial under mounds of mud/earth layers from floods, ritual sacrifices, nuclear type disintegration, misleading data, etc. but is it possible at some point a chunk of our population was removed from our planet by whomever to populate another planet or realm? I ask in all sincerity without being facetious.

Ever since I came across this site, I’ve seen thread after thread revealing incredible oddities and things that don’t add up about our history. The massive scale of previous architecture, indications of advanced technological use in our distant past, cycles of global catastrophes that seem calculated/manipulated, eerie empty towns with groups of people coming to populate it out of the blue and so on. What strikes me with all of these is the repopulating people seem commonly odd to me, as if they don’t quite belong, either because of the clothes they are wearing or the look in their faces…. something just seems odd to me. I can’t shake the feeling that it’s as if they were just dropped into the picture timeline from somewhere else and the story is worked around their mysterious presence for us to accept them as part of our linear progression in history. To me, these “wanderers” are more a reflection of cyclical periods of time that are being pieced or woven together by a work in progress narrative, rather than building a cohesive, linear progression of time and actual history.

Where did the original population go and where did the new one come from? Perhaps our planet went through a change in density level, so it no longer reflects giants as it once did so that’s why the newer population is so different. I can see that some groups can be explained by orphan trains and removal tactics from one place to another or maybe even natural occurring cycles of human population due to war, illness or life span changes and the like. But perhaps some came a different way and that is why they seem so foreign to the environment with an almost lost look in their eyes or detachment from things that may be going on around them. Could some have been brought to our planet to make up for the huge deficit in population left by whatever event(s) took place? Where they purposely planned and brought to repopulate our earth as a ready-made group or did something happen to their planet and they needed a new home, so to speak? If that’s possible, then maybe we too could have experienced a similar episode in our past and perhaps our people were taken/removed so that is where the gap is. And if that is the case, then maybe a part of our population will also be taken/removed (for lack of a better word) from our home in groups or cycles and be placed somewhere else when the time comes for whatever reason – benevolent or malevolent.

I don’t know how this plays into the general consensus of this forum’s theories as I’m still relatively new, but I can’t help but think there is a possibility our numbers don’t add up because we are not accounting for some who are no longer with us in that regard….and if the plan includes another decrease in population in our future, what is to become of the “excess” population we have now according to those proposing a decrease - such as the Georgia Guidestones authors - if the world population numbers are truly as they are publicized (which KD and others show are questionable) – unless it’s all a mind game and fear tactic being played on us by TPTB. I can’t imagine TPTB will be able to explain such a drastic reduction with the typical explanations without serious trauma or mind-altering control to forget about it, so could an off-planet removal be part of it, if that is even possible? If it worked before, could it be used again? Do we just naturally ascend to a new level of existence in the human evolution journey and that is another way to look at it? I don’t know. This is what I’m working through in my head.

As crazy as it sounds, when I look at all the photos and the supposed historical narrative that we are given to accompany them, we don’t seem to be original to this earth, in my opinion, so could we be part of a plan to distribute population somewhere else in the next re-set/harvest/cataclysm/etc.? I don’t think there is a single answer to the population numbers issue, so I’m just trying to figure out if and how my question fits into the realm of possibility given the themes discussed on this thread/site.

I’m genuinely interested in seeing what others think about this so if this is being discussed in another thread, please direct me in the right direction so I can connect with the conversation that way. Thank you!
 
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Username: Jim Duyer
Date: 2020-01-22 23:47:13
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Not only possible that they were removed in mass, but very plausible. Others, however, think that they were eaten. As their share. By whom? They won't have the courage to share that answer.
 
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Username: dejavu
Date: 2020-01-23 00:27:38
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I don't doubt cannibalism is part of the equation in some part, as I know mass graves of boiled bones have been found, but I didn't think the numbers were so great as to offset the population discrepancies brought up in the thread discussions.

I'm curious as to why you think it's very plausible. Can you expand on your thoughts a bit? This is all new for me but I'm open to exploring different views to see what connections I can make and resonates as truth for me. Thank you!
 
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Username: Starmonkey
Date: 2020-01-23 01:09:17
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I think the constant strife and chaos of cataclysms and war did a lot for death and moving people around.
That sort of death is traumatic. Drop in density is right. Shell shock. PTSD.
Ideas that happened to other "planets" in our "solar system", even "galactically", just like Star Wars. Refugees came here trying to escape or survive. REINCARNATED here.
 
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Username: dejavu
Date: 2020-01-23 01:12:40
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hmmm, interesting. I'll have to mull on this. Thank you for sharing.
 
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Username: KorbenDallas
Date: 2020-01-23 01:29:49
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We need to remember that humans are nothing but organic material. Proper microwaving would cook us just enough to be 100% dead. Say hello to 5G.

Then think about all those instantaneously frozen mammoths. What do we think happened to humans sharing those permafrost areas where we find mammoths with frozen undigested flowers in their stomachs?

Then we have floods, mudfloods, etc.
 
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Username: maxresde
Date: 2020-01-23 01:58:15
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hello again. Just wanted to add in another comment to this thread. as far as i can recall I didn't add it before, but I have been meaning to.

Before I do, I wanted to reiterate, I think in this thread or another I suggested the idea that maybe the population was low due to competition from another species.

Anyway, a little while back I read a couple of historical accounts that I thought might bear on this subject.

One was an account from the Carribean in the time of Columbus, or just afterwards. It related that the Spanish enslaved all the Indians that they could find. The men were all sent to work in mines digging for gold and silver. The women were all forced to work in agricultural fields literally until they died.

Whichever Spanish chronicler I was reading pointed out that these Indians were wiped out in one generation because the men were separated by long distances from the women, so that no new generation could occur. And then also, the women were worked so mercilessly that even if they did have a baby, the baby would die because the mother wouldn't be able to care for it. And therefore, the tribes so affected literally disappeared within the lifetime of their adult members back in those days.

If this were to have happened to other peoples here or there in history, there could very well be no record available to us of their ever even having existed.

And then the other thing I read, I guess is slightly related.

It was another account saying that the Jews in Muslim Spain had a reputation throughout the Muslim world for being able to castrate captured Christian slaves with a low rate of death from the procedure. This article I was reading was saying this was part of the reason the Spanish were not very kind to them during the Reconquista.

But I was thinking from a reproductive point of view, these castrated slaves would be taken out of the picture. This would go also for China I would imagine, and whatever other societies were in the habit of doing that kind of thing.

I just tried to do a quick search. I don't know if there are any numbers out there. But this page: Slavery in the Ottoman Empire - Wikipedia

just kind of has some oblique references. It says in one spot that the Polish-Lithuania Commonwealth was losing 20,000 people a year to Ottoman slavers. It says in another spot that in a particular year the slave army consisted of 100,000 people. I have no idea how many of them would have been castrated, but I think in general the gist of that page seems to say that the slave population of their empire was maintained by new slaves, not so much by natural increase of the slave population. So those people don't appear to have been participating in the general growth of the human population. If we were to factor in war, you might suppose that a lot of those slave soldiers, in addition to not reproducing themselves, also were taking other people out of the picture.

So it may be that there was a kind of foot on the brake effect on population growth in the days when slavery was widespread around the world.

Something happened in the 1700s that caused the population growth rate to begin to spike, according to one of the posts above. I am not saying this is the explanation, but this was the beginning of the worldwide movement against slavery according to mainstream history. It could be there is a connection there?
 
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Username: Red Bird
Date: 2020-02-17 17:47:57
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Following is a Truthstream Media video about a recent NYTimes article saying, whoops we were wrong about that overpopulation thing, it’s actually the reverse. Good news is it’s good for the environment.

In researching I’ve been reading, and trying to decipher, DNA/haploid groups movements, etc. articles more and more. There seems to be a lot of assuming going on in these very scientific articles, however.
A big one is using population statistics they get from government census bureaus, UN offices, etc. I’m sure this seems logical to them, but it also seems very gullible- they don’t seem to question whether these can be trusted and how it would affect their outcomes. Also, many studies almost seem to force their DNA data to match up with the mainline population growth graphs and feel like their study is successful if it does!

There are other assumptions they make that affect their theories (no Noah’s flood being a big one). You will notice it seems they often nulliffy, like the article below. This is ancestors.com not a research paper, but I’ve noticed similar in research papers just more couched in jargon.


*notice both headings say’into’
Your ethnicity reveals the places where your family story began.
Migrations into this Region
About 45,000 years ago, modern humans first came to the Caucasus Mountains and surrounding region from somewhere in the Middle East. Farming spread to the Caucasus Mountains during the Neolithic period, and later, Jewish populations also moved north into the region. Additional evidence suggests that Mongols invaded the Caucasus area 800 years ago, leaving descendants such as the Nogay.
Migrations into this Region
Despite its intermediate position between Eastern Europe and the Middle East, the Caucasus region seems rarely to have been the source of migrations.
 
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Username: Jim Duyer
Date: 2020-03-25 23:40:40
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Two of the biggest lies in their arsenal, and no matter how many times you show them the evidence to prove them wrong, they keep shoving it down our collective gullets:
About 45,000 years ago, modern humans first came to the Caucasus Mountains and surrounding region from somewhere in the Middle East.
FALSE - this is more of the Out of Africa nonsense that they have been pushing forever.


Farming spread to the Caucasus Mountains during the Neolithic period, and later, Jewish populations also moved north into the region. WHAT? They make it sound convenient when they use the words Neolitic and Jewish populations in the same sentence. Canaanites and Syrian Amorites, who make up the majority of what is now the Jewish population that originated in the Levant, and most of them did not and have not - most are the Ashkenazi types who originated in a kingdom much further north and more recent in time, and the only Jewish populations who moved north were the ones who started the Communist party in Russia. There were no Hebrews, no Jewish people in the Neolithic. During the Neolithic, the ancestors of the Canaanite Jews were in existence, but they were called Amorites and later Syrians. Same people, different day. I hate to see misrepresented history like the above.
 
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Username: Red Bird
Date: 2020-03-26 00:23:30
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I didn’t even notice that, but I’m used to secular history and have my ignore ‘haze‘ on (for instance evolution...blah,blah,blah).
The one thing I’m totally convinced on is that Noah and family landed somewhere in what was known as Armenia and EVERYONE spread from there. All data supports this down to domestication of grain, animals and wine- and human genetics. If you read the scholarly articles most are careful to just hint that people moved into this area, but don’t actually say it, leading others to infer and report it As so. I notice all history articles these days quickly get to Turkey, skipping over many years (and recent genocides) and consider it history being rewritten before our eyes.
All roads lead back to Noah’s sons Whatever age it’s called now.
The most well known movement was into the plains of Shinar/Nimrod a bit later, but they went in all directions (I think from there mostly though, as nimrods religion was everywhere), then most probably, came back down from the north when the ice age hit, not so long ago, then moved out again.
i think originally everyone knew the real story, and pretty fast they were divided into Shem/Ham elements, then more and more divisions, including the making of different Shemites. But there’s always a small remnant, call them what you will.

Also, I’m beginning to think again that Hebrew was the one language (in some form) but is mixed up in history with Chaldean now.
 
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Username: Jim Duyer
Date: 2020-03-26 01:44:32
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For a great many thousands of years, and for a great many cultures, the area of northern Turkey and southern Armenia were very important centers of origin and growth. The signs at Gobekli Tepi that are 12,000 or more years old, can be read using the Sumerian language. I believe that the Sumerians originated near there.
 
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