Coronavirus: Possible Reset

I am not surprised you see negativity where there is none. You follow the media and speculate on its content throughout your posts on this thread and others. I cannot give you a blueprint for your life or way of living. You are looking in the wrong places I did exactly the same thing at first. How could I do this or that and live? was a frequent companion for a long time. It is scary but so what. The hardest part was imagining the worst fear and it came to me that dying was fearful.
Then it took the deaths of both my parents to make me see the stupidity of that fear and the only fearful thing is dying with regrets. SO I made peace so too speak with that fear and taking on board a phrase I heard "What's the worst that can happen?" spoken by a chap called Stuie followed by "Bravery is our only option. I'll say it again it's that important. Bravery is our only option."
"If you get home and the telly, the CD player and the cat has gone you can get all angry and annoyed or you can say what the hell it must have been their time to go."
The truth is you cannot carry on the way of living you are now, whatever it is and have the government leave you alone. The only way you can carry on living the way you do is to get in bed with government.
 
I guess so. Maybe both. I questioned them on what law it was, and they didn't know. They spoke to the manager that said it was the Census act of 1920.

I THINK actually they are quoting a legal framework as a law. And then waiving the legal framework when pointed out that this is unlawful and requires statutory consent of the individual.

Alternatively, I just spoke to a nice lady who pulled a few strings and realised that having this conversation with me would be more than £1000 worth of pain.

What is the point of the census any way? Surely they have a multitude of data available these days about everyone who lives in a particular area, and I doubt anyone "off grid" is going to complete the form, so it's not like it enables them to gain data on anyone they didn't already know about.

The questions that concern me most are the race and religion ones, because anti-white race baiting has reached such a point in the UK that I think declaring oneself to be "white" is basically making oneself a target if the government ever decides to pursue the BLM reparations agenda or worse, or go down the South Africa route of anti-white policies, which many big corporations are already doing with their own internal policy.

I know most posters here won't agree as I get the impression most here lean towards the BLM/anti-white side of things which they very naively believe to be anti-NWO (despite it being very much NWO), but that's my opinion on it.
 
I guess so. Maybe both. I questioned them on what law it was, and they didn't know. They spoke to the manager that said it was the Census act of 1920.

I THINK actually they are quoting a legal framework as a law. And then waiving the legal framework when pointed out that this is unlawful and requires statutory consent of the individual.

Alternatively, I just spoke to a nice lady who pulled a few strings and realised that having this conversation with me would be more than £1000 worth of pain.

What is the point of the census any way? Surely they have a multitude of data available these days about everyone who lives in a particular area, and I doubt anyone "off grid" is going to complete the form, so it's not like it enables them to gain data on anyone they didn't already know about.

The questions that concern me most are the race and religion ones, because anti-white race baiting has reached such a point in the UK that I think declaring oneself to be "white" is basically making oneself a target if the government ever decides to pursue the BLM reparations agenda or worse, or go down the South Africa route of anti-white policies, which many big corporations are already doing with their own internal policy.

I know most posters here won't agree as I get the impression most here lean towards the BLM/anti-white side of things which they very naively believe to be anti-NWO (despite it being very much NWO), but that's my opinion on it.

Well the stated point is as you say to collect data about everyone who lives in a particular area. This is purportedly for local services and planning. Which I would assume it is used for.

However I would imagine data can be used for more than one thing. I would imagine it is used for tax purposes to check they are getting the correct amount in also.

I don't think most posters here lean towards the BLM/anti white side of things. I think most posters here, recognise that race is being pushed as an issue more so that it is, or that the issue of race being a problem for society is being driven down from above. I would argue to create division, as this is a pretty general MO. I suspect the MO is to get races bickering about inequality and forget things that are important like spirituality and wisdom. Equality discussions tend to always lead back to what is considered equal by the system (money / wealth). Get all the races worried about where they are going to get the root of all evil from and then you corrupt all races.

Whereas most people on here are trying to transcend the system, or understand the system. Neither of which one can do when comprehending it through its purposeful limitations.

I do think that many posters here look to react against this by transcending race as an issue. For many reasons. For myself, I think the issues this forum deals with are more important than race.

Fwiw I no longer have any idea what race even I am. My skin is white. I have a Geordie and a Yorkshireman for Grandfathers. A Maltese, and a Teutonic Grandmother. My partner is a SAYYEDA - bloodline of Muhammed, as is my daughter. I am human and I empathise with humans of all colours. I suspect some humans may have more of a soul or connection with the divine that others, and I suspect this transcends one's skin colour. But I may be wrong.

I would like to add that I do appreciate your posts. Disagreement with posts isn't a negative. It just highlights areas where there are things that need to be understood better on journeys of learning, and I think they have stimulated valuable discussion. I must admit I am curious as to whether you live in Britain, as your posts do regularly allude to that particular (imagi) nation.

I also think it is probably the place for me to highlight that I fear that this conversation is drifting off the topic of coronavirus. Although I appreciate the issues under discussion are very relevant to it.
 
So is Coronavirus the agent of reset?

Other than a curtailment in travel options, a reduction in the real world retail stores, some large businesses going to the wall and the NHS Blessed be its name being held up as the only god in town not much has fundamentally changed really.

No government department has closed down.
No government employees have been furloughed.
Banks, solicitors, supermarkets, online retailers, infrastructure businesses, utility companies, power generators. media companies have been carrying on as usual.
No large transport businesses have gone to the wall.
No submarines have been confined to port because of the virus. (A closed environment where the virus were it real could have a field day.)
Roads are being repaired, sort of this is the UK where roads are either patched badly or renovated superbly!
Empty buses continue to run.
Empty trains continue to run.
There have been no power cuts, no interruptions to water supplies.
None of the ancient Royals have succumbed to the virus or indeed succumbed to death at all despite their advanced ages.
Politics carries on as usual .
No insurance company has ceased operating.
All of the enforcement departments of government have carried on enforcing.
The NHS Blessed be it s name is still recruiting diversity leads and diversity coordinators!

I wonder if the government pays HMRC's taxes and National Insurance deductions for furloughed employees?

People however have generally become more miserable than they were.
People have been diversified into those who are scared to death of dying, those who are scared to death of infecting others, those who are scared to death of being infected by others, those who go along with the nonsense to be seen to be doing the right thing, those who are grandstanders, those who don't give a shit and those who see through the scam.
People I know quite well in the flesh, few in number to be quite honest, are in the main believing COCO1984 to be a real thing and a real threat to people. They nearly all mask up.

The way the poison of money flows through the system of authority has changed.

The 'National Debt' an unpayable debt if ever there was one has gone up much quicker than it was prior to the COCO1984 appearing.
Lots of people have made lots of money out of the response to the virus. Not as many making money as losing money I suspect but the furlough softens the blow.

A lot of aircraft and ships are on the ground or moored up not earning a bean but still requiring insurance and maintenance likely many buses, taxis and trains are in a similar position. Some will not return to service.

I must have missed many things but without a frame of reference for what a Reset is and what it isn't I would say it's anyone's guess as to what is going on. I do find it extremely sad though that people do seem to be craving 'the normal' of 2019 and look forwards to shops opening. That cannot be what life in this realm, this dimension, this reality (apologies if I've missed your definition of where you are) is all about.
 
The more days that go by the more worried I am that the autoimmune disease that the mRNA probably causes can be spread through bodily fluids and that the vaccines are leaky.
This could kill millions and get us to Deagel forecast numbers of population reduction.
 
There is something not right with the pell-mell development in our area of Chapel hill-Durham-Raleigh and the acceleration of building large parking facilities around the town without the need for such buildings. Chapel Hill has an extensive bus transportation system designed so students would not have to drive and park at the university here so extra parking spaces are not needed. With the economic down turn the city and private investors are building an 1100 car parking deck in the center where there is already a parking deck next door. Developments in the last few years have also built huge parking decks around town without the need as they are nearly empty for most of the day. Found out that Andrew Rothschild had lived in Durham for 7 years and large stack and pack developments have been built. It seems this area has been chosen for Agenda 21 build out. Why all the parking decks at 36,000 dollars per car? A parking deck has been used to shelter soldiers in DC and with martial law there would have to be facilities to house their equipment and personnel along with a command center. It could be used as a FEMA camp site. It's puzzling that these parking decks are being constructed on a large scale over the entire area without a present need. For instance in Cary a satellite city of Raleigh, they built a large library, and you guessed it attached to a huge parking deck! Ominous!
 
There is something not right with the pell-mell development in our area of Chapel hill-Durham-Raleigh and the acceleration of building large parking facilities around the town without the need for such buildings. Chapel Hill has an extensive bus transportation system designed so students would not have to drive and park at the university here so extra parking spaces are not needed. With the economic down turn the city and private investors are building an 1100 car parking deck in the center where there is already a parking deck next door. Developments in the last few years have also built huge parking decks around town without the need as they are nearly empty for most of the day. Found out that Andrew Rothschild had lived in Durham for 7 years and large stack and pack developments have been built. It seems this area has been chosen for Agenda 21 build out. Why all the parking decks at 36,000 dollars per car? A parking deck has been used to shelter soldiers in DC and with martial law there would have to be facilities to house their equipment and personnel along with a command center. It could be used as a FEMA camp site. It's puzzling that these parking decks are being constructed on a large scale over the entire area without a present need. For instance in Cary a satellite city of Raleigh, they built a large library, and you guessed it attached to a huge parking deck! Ominous!

The first thing I would check to confirm your theory is the height of the entry of the 'parking garage' as most regular such garages are built so that you can just get a large van through.
 
A lot of aircraft and ships are on the ground or moored up not earning a bean but still requiring insurance and maintenance likely many buses, taxis and trains are in a similar position. Some will not return to service.

I doubt travel will even return to pre-scamdemic levels, vaccine or not. At the moment they're using it as an incentive to encourage people to accept the vaccine, but today it was announced the government has brought in "travel authorisation permits". If they are planning to end the lockdown soon and return to normal as they claim, then why would they bring this permit system in now?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ad-travel-ban-face-200-FINES-fail-permit.html
 
ok. so my update on the changes to usher in the new normal from my temporary neck of the woods is something that is freaking me out very badly. i guess it shouldnt cause they tell us thier plans clearly and the wroting has been on the wall for a while, but oh well, i still had hope.

i do not use a smartphone. i got rid of mine when one of the most important people in the world to me asked that i did, because it was consuming my brain. i smashed it with a hammer three years ago in a ceremony on the side of a lovely canal in holland, and never looked back. best thing i EVER did for myself. funny, when i told people i didnt have a smartphone that first year, peoples reactions weere stunned. they could not wrap their head around it, and they were not supportive. how , they asked, did i live???? as the years went on the reactions becaume more positive, until this past year , after the lifiting of the incredibly harsh 3 month lockdown in the country i was in( we didnt leave our yard for 3 months. only one out, and with a document to testify why they should be allowed to go do laundry or get food for us) the reactions because universlly positive and in fact, longing. people saying every time it came up, that they wished they could do the same, ditch the smartphone. that they were jealous... so
back to the new abnormal, 5 days ago, our phones stopped working. emergency calls only. we called , emailed and livechattedo nline to poor call center folk in india who had absolutely no idea what was going on. today, my spouse finally gave in and drove 45 min to get to a shop to try to help us. our bank needs to send a text to the phone for any online purchase, and ince we wont wear masks, that needs to happen a lot these days.
long story short, 2 g has been discontinued we were told. if its not a smartphone, it wont work anymore. i guess they need to force us all into smartphones for the vaccine pass to work until they move on to the nano tattoo chip mark of the beast crap
this for me was the final red flag i need to know that my participation in this society has to come to an end. i will not get a smartphone. and i will not submit to this new abnormal.

i guess i may not make it in the end.

now in this moment, i am crying

oh and post script. my spouse does not feel the same passion i do. so i dont know how to go on from here . where are my people? there must be people who dont want this too? strange thing, i havent met anyone yet, even through alll the supposedly woke preppers, who want to just drop out and not participate in this shit, in my real life. its very sad

We are here for you in some way
Hang in there, Vagabond. You know it, but for emphasis: even though our people can be hard to find in meatspace, we certainly exist--I am one and surely others here too. (So great that SHnet is here.) I don't know anyone like this IRL either (that I know of).

More to the point, certainly it seems that smartphone usage (or sometimes just "networked" state) is one major aspect of the changes getting a push from the plandemic-fraud that abounds. But even with the recent setbacks outlined above, I believe there is choice to have a dumb phone despite 2G shutdowns.

Regarding non-smartphone options during this
There are still non-2G, non-5G, non-smartphones. A non-smart 4G LTE phone (with bands for your area) will be the best choice to last the longest AFAIK. I sincerely hope you may be able to acquire one without too much heartache. Some are made for military conditions, and they are sold to public as well. Even if it runs a limited version of Android, I think the firmware is not necessarily forced-updated, and yours may have some old software that could even be hard to get OTA carrier updates on without your seeking support anyway. You might be able to get one with a removable battery and keep it unpowered until a text needs to be received for critical services. I think there are non-droid options too, maybe kind of boutique though. The mobile phone is truly an emergency radio in my view, so it does not need to be smart and it does not need power usually.

Ebbs and flows
Had to say something because the CV response has had me slightly unsettled at times about attempts to coerce into increased smartphone use, too. The luster of being connected beyond saturation had already started to wear off for the hip crowd--and the really hip crowd never bought in to begin with.

I dream of finding a community to live in, or planning and bringing one to fruition if necessary and God willing, with serious limitations concerning wireless devices. (Been meaning to post about this in What kind of world do you want to live in?, but still formulating.)

I think good things will come out in the end as a result of the "acceleration", at the unfortunate due cost of course. It can be hard sometimes to believe life got this "real", but something had to give. At least you, I, many here, and clearly many more online who cannot all be bots, have got our wits (and values). In my opinion, it would seem we are made for this, though it may seem strange. I don't want to cross any lines but I have found this a good time for faith in a non-superficial sense.
 
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"The UK is over", says Welsh First Minister. They're really upping the ante on "Celtic" independence lately. No doubt to crush and balkanise this country and turn it into Airstrip One, as Orwell predicted or knew was the plan. No other country is targeted in this way, no one says Celtic Brittany should be independent from France, or Bavaria from Germany, or Catalonia and the Basque Country from Spain. It's only ever Britain that must be destroyed at all costs.

It's interesting how the "Celtic nationalist" train doesn't even stop for a "global pandemic". This is running concurrently with the poison they are injecting into British, and probably especially English peoples arms, at a much faster rate than almost any other country. They are going to crush this country and murder tens of millions of its people. I doubt anywhere will escape in the end, but the globalists really have it in for this country as a matter of principle. I get the sense that they see Britain as symbolically the first domino that needs to fall.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...k-Drakeford-claims-Union-not-sustainable.html
 
@about 3:30 it seems to me that Billy Gates is pretty worried about the response of Americans. I think these people are feeling off balance. I definitely do not think they have the upper hand. It is clearly a war. The fact that Texas called off the mask mandate reveals momentum that the elites will not counter easily.
 
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There is a paper out that shows the messenger RNA in the medical treatment of the shot (it's not a vax) can lead to prion disease which is 100% fatal. Classen J. B. COVID-19 RNA based Vaccines and the Risk of Prion Disease Microbiol Infect Dis 2021: 5(1): 1-3.



Introduction

Vaccines have been found to cause a host of chronic, late developing adverse events. Some adverse events like type 1 diabetes may not occur until 3-4 years after a vaccine is administered [1]. In the example of type 1 diabetes the frequency of cases of adverse events may surpass the frequency of cases of severe infectious disease the vaccine was designed to prevent. Given that type 1 diabetes is only one of many immune mediated diseases potentially caused by vaccines, chronic late occurring adverse events are a serious public health issue.

The advent of new vaccine technology creates new potential mechanisms of vaccine adverse events. For example, the first killed polio vaccine actually caused polio in recipients because the up scaled manufacturing process did not effectively kill


the polio virus before it was injected into patients. RNA based vaccines offers special risks of inducing specific adverse events. One such potential adverse event is prion based diseases caused by activation of intrinsic proteins to form prions. A wealth of knowledge has been published on a class of RNA binding proteins shown to participating in causing a number of neurological diseases including Alzheimer’s disease and ALS. TDP-43 and FUS are among the best studied of these proteins [2].

The Pfizer RNA based COVID-19 vaccine was approved by the US FDA under an emergency use authorization without long term safety data. Because of concerns about the safety of this vaccine a study was performed to determine if the vaccine could potentially induce prion based disease.

Results

Analysis of the Pfizer vaccine against COVID-19 identified two potential risk factors for inducing prion disease is humans. The RNA sequence in the vaccine [3] contains sequences believed to induce TDP-43 and FUS to aggregate in their prion based conformation leading to the development of common neurodegerative diseases. In particular it has been shown that RNA sequences GGUA [4], UG rich sequences [5], UG tandem repeats [6], and G Quadruplex sequences [7], have increased affinity to bind TDP-43 and or FUS and may cause TDP-43 or FUS to take their pathologic configurations in the cytoplasm. In the current analysis a total of sixteen UG tandem repeats (ΨGΨG) were identified and additional UG (ΨG) rich sequences were identified. Two GGΨA sequences were found. G Quadruplex sequences are possibly present but sophisticated computer programs are needed to verify these.

The spike protein encoded by the vaccine binds angiotensin converting enzyme 2 (ACE2), an enzyme which contains zinc molecules [8]. The binding of spike protein to ACE2 has the potential to release the zinc molecule, an ion that causes TDP-43 to assume its pathologic prion transformation [9].



Discussion

There is an old saying in medicine that “the cure may be worse than the disease.” The phrase can be applied to vaccines. In the current paper the concern is raised that the RNA based COVID vaccines have the potential to cause more disease than the epidemic of COVID-19. This paper focuses on a novel potential adverse event mechanism causing prion disease which could be even more common and debilitating than the viral infection the vaccine is designed to prevent. While this paper focuses on one potential adverse event there are multiple other potential fatal adverse events as discussed below.


Over the last two decades there has been a concern among certain scientists that prions could be used as bioweapons. More recently there has been a concern that ubiquitous intracellular molecules could be activated to cause prion disease including Alzheimer’s disease, ALS and other neurodegenerative diseases. This concern originates due to potential for misuse of research data on the mechanisms by which certain RNA binding proteins like TDP-43, FUS and others can be activated to form disease causing prions. The fact that this research, which could be used for bioweapons development, is funded by private organizations including the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, and Ellison Medical Foundation [2] without national/international oversight is also a concern. In the past, for example, there were prohibitions for publishing information pertaining to construction of nuclear bombs.



Published data has shown that there are several different factors that can contribute to the conversion of certain RNA binding proteins including TDP-43, FUS and related molecules to their pathologic states. These RNA binding proteins have many functions and are found in both the nucleus and the cytoplasm. These binding proteins have amino acid regions, binding motifs that bind specific RNA sequences. Binding to certain RNA sequences when the proteins are in the cytoplasm is believed to causes the molecules to fold in certain ways leading to pathologic aggregation and prion formation in the cytoplasm [2]. The current analysis indicates Pfizer's RNA based COVID-19 vaccine contains many of these RNA sequences that have been shown to have high affinity for TDP-43 or FUS and have the potential to induce chronic degenerative neurological diseases.

Zinc binding to the RNA recognition motif of TDP-43 is another mechanism leading to formation of amyloid like aggregations [9]. The viral spike protein, coded by the vaccine RNA sequence, binds ACE2 an enzyme containing zinc molecules [8]. This interaction has the potential to increase intracellular zinc levels leading to prion disease. The initial binding could be between spike proteins on the surface of the cell transfected by the vaccine and ACE2 on the surface of an adjacent cell. The resulting complex may become internalized. Alternatively, the interaction could initially take place in the cytoplasm of a cell that makes ACE2 and has been transfected with the vaccine RNA coding for the spike protein. The interaction is quite concerning given the belief that the virus causing COVID-19, SARS-CoV-2, is a bioweapon [10,11] and it is possible that the viral spike protein may have been designed to cause prion disease.

Another related concern is that the Pfizer vaccine uses a unique RNA nucleoside 1-methyl-3'-pseudouridylyl (Ψ). According to FDA briefing documents, this nucleoside was chosen to reduce activation of the innate immune system [12]. RNA molecules containing this nucleoside will undoubtedly have altered binding [13]. Unfortunately, the effect on TDP-43, FUS and other RNA binding proteins is not published. The use of this nucleoside in a vaccine can potentially enhance the binding affinity of RNA sequences capable of causing TDP-43 and FUS to assume toxic configurations.

There are many other potential adverse events that can be induced by the novel RNA based vaccines against COVID-19. The vaccine places a novel molecule, spike protein, in/on the surface of host cells. This spike protein is a potential receptor for another possibly novel infectious agent. If those who argue that the COVID-19 is actually a bioweapon are correct, then a second potentially more dangerous virus may be released that binds spike protein found on the host cells of vaccine recipients. Data is not publicly available to provide information on how long the vaccine RNA is translated in the vaccine recipient and how long after translation the spike protein will be present in the recipient’s cells. Such studies pertaining to in vivo expression will be complex and challenging. Genetic diversity protects species from mass casualties caused by infectious agents. One individual may be killed by a virus while

another may have no ill effects from the same virus. By placing the identical receptor, the spike protein, on cells of everyone in a population, the genetic diversity for at least one potential receptor disappears. Everyone in the population now becomes potentially susceptible to binding with the same infectious agent.


Autoimmunity and the opposing condition, metabolic syndrome, are well know adverse events caused by vaccines [14]. COVID-19 infections are associated with the induction of autoantibodies and autoimmune disease [15,16] making it more than plausible a vaccine could do the same. One author has found amino acid sequences coded by the spike protein to be identical to sequences in human proteins including proteins found in the CNS [17]. Autoimmunity can also be induced by epitope spreading when a foreign antigen, like the spike protein, is presented by an antigen presenting cell that also has self molecules attached to its MHC molecules.

Finally, others working in the field have published additional support that COVID-19 vaccines could potentially induce prion disease. Authors [18] found prion related sequences in the COVID-19 spike protein which were not found in related coronaviruses. Others [19] have reported a case of prion disease, Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, initially occurring in a man with COVID-19.

Many have raised the warning that the current epidemic of COVID-19 is actually the result of an bioweapons attack released in part by individuals in the United States government [10,11]. Such a theory is not far fetched given that the 2001 anthrax attack in the US originated at Fort Detrick, a US army bioweapon facility. Because the FBI’s anthrax investigation was closed against the advice of the lead FBI agent in the case, there are likely conspirators still working in the US government. In such a scenario the primary focus of stopping a bioweapons attack must be to apprehend the conspirators or the attacks will never cease. Approving a vaccine, utilizing novel RNA technology without extensive testing is extremely dangerous. The vaccine could be a bioweapon and even more dangerous than the original infection.

This is a disturbing discovery! This disease is 100% fatal! There has been no testing for it because of the speed of the developement of the RNA medical procedure. WTF!

 
Government and mainstream media sowing seeds of doubt about AstraZeneca again, this time in Austria. Wonder what the end game with this is? Manipulating the public to see mRNA jabs as the "good vaccines" presumably?

My guess is that AZ will eventually be declared dangerous and ineffective and banned in many countries, the globalists will probably combine this with some anti-Brexit geo-politics.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...AstraZeneca-COVID-19-vaccine-batch-death.html
 
@about 3:30 it seems to me that Billy Gates is pretty worried about the response of Americans. I think these people are feeling off balance. I definitely do not think they have the upper hand. It is clearly a war. The fact that Texas called off the mask mandate reveals momentum that the elites will not counter easily.
Because oklahoma governor mandated masks okies are now seeking to limit the governors executive powers. Democracy is easy until a crisis arises and thdn you have to work to maintain individual rights. Apparently our governor didnt want to work that hard and now he's paying the price.
 
And the caring NHS Blessed be its name.
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I find it odd that this controversy over Meghan Markle and the royal family coincides with the Welsh "First Minister" publically stating a few days ago "The UK is over", which I found an odd and frankly unprofessional thing to say for someone in his position. Then there's the Alex Salmond/Nicola Sturgeon SNP corruption scandal going on in Scotland. This may all be coincidental, but I find the timing interesting.

If I were to guess at what's going on, I'd say that it seems the globalists want the balkanisation of the UK and the end of the royal family, or at least the public perception that it's ended. I think the globalists see the RF as past their use by date, as more of a hindrance than a benefit to their agenda now. I'd say the globalists probably want London to become an independent city-state, perhaps they intend it to be the capital of the NWO, but they know this can only happen as part of the balkanisation of the UK in general, so they are trying to engineer this.
 
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