Evidence humans were created and traded as slaves, food, entertainment and material resources (IHASFEMR)

[Starfire]

I'm new to this site, but not it's ideas. I just spent the better part of a week reading this entire thread and it's links (that still worked). The disparate clues come together to form a pretty convincing theory that the churches managed humans as merchandise. It all fits, like missing puzzle pieces in my years of research/ truthseeking. I will look and ponder and add to this thread as indicated.
The thread had a lot of good info on the most recent cataclysm too, which connected some other research I've done. I will post those thoughts on the appropriate threads.

 

[busy.baci]

The serial show Westworld season 4 would be released this June 26th. I wish they show some more clues related to this thread like the 1st season did. Season 2 and 3 were pretty useles. They only showed that AI which was controlling the course of events and creating the timeline for humans in the future.

 

[usselo]

The serial show Westworld season 4 would be released this June 26th. I wish they show some more clues related to this thread like the 1st season did. Season 2 and 3 were pretty useles. They only showed that AI which was controlling the course of events and creating the timeline for humans in the future.

Thanks for the heads up - I'll look out for it.

 

[Starfire]

A few years ago I read the complete Book of Jubilees. This is an original Biblical book that got "lost" and was recovered/translated from the Ethiopian Bible in the 1700's. It is a version of Genesis through Moses with a lot more details, laid out on a series of "weeks" (7 years) and "Jubilees" (49 years with a 50th Jubilee year).
In this book there are REPEATED admonitions against consuming blood and blood products from animals and humans. The modern version of a verse might have one line about it, while the Jubilees version of the same story will have several verses with specific detail to avoid blood. Other modern verses might not have the admonition at all, while the Jubilees version makes sure you know to stay away! It's been a couple years so the parallel instances I looked up are not fresh enough to recall exactly.

Here is a link to Jubilees as a youtube audiobook with the written word on the screen nice and large so you can listen and read at the same time. I find information gets remembered better if you utilize two or more senses to learn it.

View: https://youtu.be/V-55RSyJoB4

 

[usselo]

The disparate clues come together to form a pretty convincing theory that the churches managed humans as merchandise.

I struggle to figure out when England's churches were really built.

There's a lot of evidence that all - or most - churches were (re)built between the late 17th century and the late 19th century. Did 'churches' exist at all before then? I suspect they were built from, and on top of, the ruins of non-church structures left over from a century of physical reformatting.

What were these structures used for before the reformatting?

At a guess, they were towers, chapels and small workshops, usually within walled enclosures. But I doubt they were used as 'churches'. No more than they were built by Homo sapiens sapiens.

If no churches, then it follows that the Christian 'Church of this' and 'Church of that' probably didn't exist before the middle of the 17th century either. Did Christianity, in any of the forms we know it, including gnosticism, exist before the middle of the 17th century?

It seems more likely that Christianity is - like the three branches of government - a system of cargo cults. Not just cargo cult relics, but a deliberately implemented system of cargo cults. Implemented to contain and slowly modify the cultural remains of what had existed before. Presumably to install morality, rationality and a restricted knowledge-set into the sentient but savage creatures that survived the reformatting. I expect the implementers are still working on developing human empathy.

I would drop this view tomorrow if I saw enough evidence to support a different model. (There is evidence for a variant of this model but not enough to be post-worthy.)

These structures that existed before churches... The evidence suggests they served a farming and manufacturing culture. That is: a materials processing culture. But not like ours. Food that was more about meat protein than carbohydrates. Chemistry centred on organic chemistry. Structural materials that were more likely to be grown than manufactured. Things built to last where necessary and be cheap and easy to repair/replace where necessary. And just as easy to dispose of. That's not to say they were technologically backward. I don't think they were.

This scenario explains why we see abbey-toirs, chop-halls, fryer-ies, mon-asteries and nunneries, manor (farms), parishes (perishes), etc. Perhaps 'priories' is a label for structures that were not easily explained or which were inconvenient to explain. Churches seem to be built from and on top of the ruined - sometimes mudflooded - remains of all these buildings.

As for the institutions that used and managed all that before the reformatting... It looks like lords/lairds owned the agricultural complexes and the Guilds ran the processing and industrial side. What we call 'Catholicism' seems to have been a kind of leisure business or retail complex. 'Judges' seem to have played a role in certain 'recycling' decisions - most obviously in response to crime and perhaps poor performance. But, otherwise, recycling ran to timetable. To the clock. To 'oroligio':

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Papa Song's Papal Chantry. Source: Cloud Atlas, 2012

The server's blue uniforms reflect earlier days in the 'hospitality' industry.

Conventionally, we think English churches were physically enlarged over time. We imagine they were extended as congregations grew. Somewhat like this:

Incremental extension of St Leonards Church, Hythe, Kent over the last 1,000 years. Source: A Study of Post-Depositional Funerary Practices In Medieval England​

That should probably say "Alleged incremental expansion of St Leonards Church...".

But note St Leonards was built above a smaller structure (which reminds me of the structure beneath St Marys, Burwell, Cambridgeshire). Many churches are built over smaller structures in this way. Incorporating their remains. These structures are generally not 'church-like'. They were materials storage and processing buildings; the remains of industrial infrastructure. In the below, the grey lines mark the below-ground parts of St Brides' Church, London. The red outline was a bone warehouse, an ossuary (more details on this page of the Cannibalism thread):

St Brides' Church, London. Source: A Study of Post-Depositional Funerary Practices In Medieval England
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The ossuary at Holy Trinity. Also discussed earlier:

Holy Trinity Church, Rothwell, Northamptonshire. Source: A Study of Post-Depositional Funerary Practices In Medieval England​

Holy Trinity probably wasn't built wonky. It's been rebuilt.

St Mary in the Marsh chapel to the south of Norwich Cathedral. Source: A Study of Post-Depositional Funerary Practices In Medieval England​

These images are all taken from Jennifer Crandle's A Study of Post-Depositional Funerary Practices In Medieval England. She points out that many ossuaries are below ground or half below ground. She includes various photos of what SH readers would call 'mudflooded bone depots'.

Mudflood preserved the orderly stacking of the bones. Source: A Study of Post-Depositional Funerary Practices In Medieval England


Same ossuary. Source: A Study of Post-Depositional Funerary Practices In Medieval England​

She interprets their semi-subterranean character in different ways. Here at St Anne's Charnel Chapel in Barnstaple, Devon, she suspects it was built partially underground for now-unknown religious reasons; and the ground was shovelled back from the walls at build-time to allow for bigger windows:

St Annes Charnel Chapel, Barnstaple. Source: A Study of Post-Depositional Funerary Practices In Medieval England
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I don't share that interpretation.

But she also concludes - and with lots of evidence - that ossuaries and charnel chapels were deliberately hidden during or after the Reformation (16th century). Access to them, she says, became denied. Knowledge of them - and the practices associated with them - was also encouraged to disappear. A clue lies in enigmatically decorated caves like the shell-covered Margate cave. Another in what are passed off as 18th century 'follies'. This list is from Christopher Sturman's A Lincolnshire Hermit: Wolley Jolland (1745-1831):

• Cloister floor paved with flints, pebbles and sheep's bones arranged in the shape of four-petaled flowers.
• Second cloister floor paved with alternating squares of flints and sheep bones.
• Oratory floor paved with highly polished horses' teeth.
• Altar table made from highly polished horses' teeth.
• Legs of hour-glass stand made from fangs.
• Walls decorated with seashells.
• Curtains decorated with snail trail slime.

Demand for teeth on that scale would create its own supply and processing industries:

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Pick Your Own teeth. Source: Cloud Atlas, 2012

Teeth prices are not quoted in Wikipedia's rag-and-bone man page, but it says rag-and-bone men were paid tuppence for a pound of bones in 1851 London.

Clearly, the ossuaries have been hidden. Humans were encouraged to forget them and the practices that went on in them. This raises two considerations:

• Whoever wiped the ossuaries from our memories had reasons for doing it. What reasons? Perhaps to give us time to 'round out' ourselves.
• Whoever denies the existence of tunnels under England's villages, towns and cities has reasons for doing it. Some online entities hint that the tunnels are problematic. Others said the Romans built them to hide their 'provisioning'. This explanation for the tunnels is not credible if you believe the so-called Roman Empire was ancient; but more believable if you suspect the Roman Empire was a late medieval empire.

It's possible the ossuaries were hidden because the scale and nature of the harvest was provoking Kett and peasant rebellions. It's possible they were hidden because the Roman Catholic meat eaters knew interdiction had been threatened. (Apparently there were some warnings). But, unlike the ossuaries, the tunnels are being found. And their existence is being denied in a way that changes speculation about them from 'do the tunnels exist' to 'why is the obvious being denied?'.

Presumably to provoke the rational to think more about the tunnels. And eventually, the ossuaries.

If we were created - and quite recently - for food, fun, profit and labour-saving, it seems likely we are still under development and that 'The Churches of this and that' do know all this. Even if they are not the original implementers

I've gone into this in this post because my earlier posts used the words 'church' and 'Church' (and here) before I appreciated how new physical churches and their managing organisations might really be. My original speculations about churches and The Churches were crude. That kind of thing can get in the way of how you model out the role of 'churches' through history. Hopefully this post clarifies things - at least as I currently see them.

Blackdiamond said:

have you lot found anything about The Guild, The mans choire (bricks icon) etc

The Guilds crop up as a name with a little description, but not much. In this respect, they are a bit like the missing stories of the mystery, miracle and mimic plays. I presume details of their activities have been minimised and sanitised for the same reasons the contents of the mimic plays were sanitised and minimised. The Guilds seem to be the McDonalds, Metro-Goldwyn-Meyer, Microsoft, and Military-Industrial Complex of the past. Maybe they really did (or still do) own a fast-food chain called Papal Chantries.

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The First Catechism. Source: Cloud Atlas, 2012

'Mans choire' doesn't mean much to me. 'Choire' looks a bit like Romance language words for 'quarry' and, of course, 'choir'.

Note: Linking back to the various church and ossuary posts in the lost Cannibalism thread is no longer possible. But logged-in readers can read the archived version of the thread.

 

[Observer]

It seems more likely that Christianity is - like the three branches of government - a system of cargo cults. Not just cargo cult relics, but a deliberately implemented system of cargo cults. Implemented to contain and slowly modify the cultural remains of what had existed before. Presumably to install morality, rationality and a restricted knowledge-set into the sentient but savage creatures that survived the reformatting. I expect the implementers are still working on developing human empathy.

I would drop this view tomorrow if I saw enough evidence to support a different model. (There is evidence for a variant of this model but not enough to be post-worthy.)

Even if there isn't enough evidence, all your currently-developing variants are post-worthy.

C'mon brother, please share everything, as if today might be your final day! We want it all.

PS: the archived version of the Cannibalism thread is now extra archived for posterity: archive.ph
I see as you mentioned: the pages (1-9) can be linked to, but not the individual posts themselves.
Linking to the individual posts strangely results in "Access Denied", even if one is logged in there.
So, when linking to that thread we can only link to a page, while telling the post number (e.g. "#8"),
or telling a certain phrase to search for on a page (e.g. "Perhaps eating humans plays a bigger role").
Actually, as you can see in those two examples, the extra layer of archiving allows us to point to posts.
Meaning, if you go here, then select a specific section, your url-address-bar will give you a selection-link.
So, you can use the selection-link. Here are all the Usselo posts from the now-extra-archived Cannibalism thread:
A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W, X, Y, Z
This easy selection-link-creation ability is a nice feature of that Archive site (which hopefully will continue existing.)

 

[Deleted member 37]

Sheela-na-gig imagery.

There are various paintings and art in general portraying Jesus coming out of a strange looking portal. Jesus is the sacrificial Lamb.

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In any case all of this has brought to mind an Italian researcher who has his own YT channel and I followed him some years ago, although I forgot about him until now. He is a professor writing under the name of Mac Dèi Ricchi (https://www.youtube.com/c/MacDèiRicchi/videos - DEI RICCHI) and is ferociously anti-christian with evident communist likings.
In his reconstruction of the events described in the New Testament and its apocrypha, he arrives at the conclusion that "John the Baptist had been killed by Jesus and their relatives, who then consumed his body in a cannibalistic rite". So the sacrificial Lamb was in reality John the Baptist killed during the Wedding at Cana, from which descended the Easter festivity.

There is a video with a summary but it's in Italian even though the auto-translation seems fine.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD9cC68VTe8

He also thinks that Christians were carnivores who took over a previous vegan civilization.

 

[usselo]

C'mon brother, please share everything, as if today might be your final day! We want it all.

Good to know there is consumer demand.

The material to research increased a lot while I was writing the mounds and barrows post. There's a lot of literature and mound/tumuli/barrow sites offering clues about conditions before the 18th century (assuming the dating is correct). So output slowed down.

The question of 'who was preying and when?' is also taking a lot of time. We have the usual folkloric consumers - giants, demons, dragons, serpents, wolves, etc - and we have imagery like Chaldon, Surrey's, Seven Deadly Sins wall-painting:

Overall view of Chaldon Seven Deadly Sins. Source


Close up of Chaldon consumers. Source
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This is the first imagery I've found that hints at pig-like consumers of (creatures that look like) humans. If there was farmer-cattle interbreeding, it may explain how humans acquired their pig-like characteristics, as proposed by Eugene McCarthy.

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We became their favourite meal. Source: Bullets of Justice, 2019

Whichever entities arrange coincidences, thanks for arranging the timely discovery of Bullets of Justice. I got a lot of laughs out of it.

Given there are only so many hours in a day (you know how it is with oroligio), which areas of IHASFEMR research would you most like to hear about?

 

[ProfessorHotStuff]

How could people would like to know more about these sick, twisted and perverted things is beyond me. I hope they get eaten by the naughty witch and be boiled in her soup. That's the most effective and a very unique straightforward way for them to find out.

My god, some people disgust me.

It's hard, but it's necessary to look unflinchingly for the truth.

 

[Observer]

PS: the archived version of the Cannibalism thread is now extra archived for posterity: archive.ph
I see as you mentioned: the pages (1-9) can be linked to, but not the individual posts themselves.
Linking to the individual posts strangely results in "Access Denied", even if one is logged in there.
So, when linking to that thread we can only link to a page, while telling the post number (e.g. "#8"),
or telling a certain phrase to search for on a page (e.g. "Perhaps eating humans plays a bigger role").
Actually, as you can see in those two examples, the extra layer of archiving allows us to point to posts.
Meaning, if you go here, then select a specific section, your url-address-bar will give you a selection-link.
So, you can use the selection-link. Here are all the Usselo posts from the now-extra-archived Cannibalism thread:
A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W, X, Y, Z
This easy selection-link-creation ability is a nice feature of that Archive site (which hopefully will continue existing.)

Dear Usselo, I created those 26 "direct links" ("selection-links") to your posts on the Cannibalism thread.
I mention this again here so it doesn't go unnoticed, since I added all that to the previous post using edit.

The plus about those links is one can point directly to the extra-archived posts. The minus is lack of video.
Since the videos are so essential (since our imagination [DMT-producing pineal-gland] organs are broken),
I guess you probably still will prefer to NOT use the archive.ph direct-links, since they strip out the videos.
And there's always a chance that the archive.ph records might one day be deleted, so that's another minus.
I really just wanted to throw an extra layer of archiving over the StolenHistoryArchive for backup purposes.
Anyway as you wisely pointed out earlier in this thread: a real solution is for you to create an improved site.

which areas of IHASFEMR research would you most like to hear about?

Any (and all) areas you might have been reluctant to post due to concerns about reactions from naysayers.
Naysayers = humans overly obeying their Loyalty-loops, who require an Authority to admit some idea first.
Folks (one wasted time on pages 7 & 8 here) implying we shouldn't post ideas without sufficient evidence.
Those folks argue small details without seeing the big picture, and that causes free-thinkers to share less.

Such past arguments (online or face-to-face) cause free-thinkers to label grand ideas "mere speculation".
My positive encouragement is simply trying to justly balance out their negative demands for "evidence 1st".
I don't think we need "evidence 1st" before we share. First comes the idea, THEN we can look for evidence.

I remember as a child being surprised we're told to write what one thinks will happen before an experiment.
I thought a true scientist should just try an experiment neutrally to see what happens without any pre bias.
But then I realized it's better to invest our time in higher-chance experiments by 1st having the grand idea.
Having grand ideas comes from courageously NOT being afraid of negative words from idiots without ideas.

It's ironic: now, supposedly-scientific-folks demand one must have sufficient evidence 1st: before thinking.
Now ideas are preemptively shutdown "that's not a theory, that's merely a hypothesis or mere speculation".
Rulers have created a worldwide culture of regurgitators: whose boldest ideas just prop up the status quo.
Even the most non-mainstream scientists in the world self-limit themselves to ideas that won't sound crazy.
Sadly, people now are too scared to share their newest grandest ideas, since "Well, I don't have evidence."

Sharing ideas openly, without evidence, allows us humans the synergy of specialization: vital to happiness.
Some folks are better at and enjoy more idea production (and/or letting ideas come in from muses/reality.)
Other folks (the non-creatives) are better at and enjoy more: dirt-digging/book-researching for evidence.

The free-thinker has the grand ideas, which the non-idea-having busybodies can then look for evidence of.
The "researchers" can search for tiny traces of evidence of reality which the rulers didn't hide well enough.

Some people are relatively fine with slaving away for hours, sifting through authority-approved paperwork.
Those people have unfortunately stronger loyalty-loops which prevent them from realizing reality instantly.
These people read thousands of history stories, but still required a grand thinker to realize the big picture.

Thankfully, a rare percent of humans still have the ability to intuitively guess correctly about Earth Reality.
And, some of these rare thinkers amazingly have research skills too: like KorbenDallas, WildHeretic, Usselo.
I simply am encouraging all rare thinkers to continue sharing without limiting themselves to "evidence 1st."

First, a grand idea must be shared (e.g. eating humans being the reality), then, later, others can research.
Rare free-thinkers shouldn't self-limit idea-sharing based on the probable pooh-pooh reactions of masses.

There is evidence for a variant of this [Christianity being - like the three branches of government ... a deliberately implemented system ... to contain and slowly modify the cultural remains of what had existed before. Presumably to install morality, rationality and a restricted knowledge - set into the sentient but savage creatures that survived the reformatting ... the implementers are still working on developing human empathy] model but not enough to be post-worthy.

I get excited by "I have another variant idea", then I get saddened by "but not enough to be post-worthy."
So, I encourage: "Even if there isn't enough evidence, all your currently-developing ideas are post-worthy."

By the way, it doesn't matter which flavor of yogurt "culture" (stagnant status-quo ideas) we were born in,
but still I'm interested to know, Usselo, were you born into Russian culture and then grew up in UK culture?
I make that "mere speculation" guess based on the higher-level intelligence I find in Russian free-thinkers,
biased by my knowing my great-grandfather was Russian Jew, but, I of course grew up in American culture,
but anyway, I also noticed that some of your idea sparks were sparked by the Russian thinkers you posted.
And, I see Italian-cultured Silveryou posted a idea by an Italian free-thinker, about Christian Cannibalism.

To the BusyBaci comment, notice: I'm not "happy" about eating of flesh (an act which is strangely popular).
I'm a lifelong vegetarian (who somehow naturally knew from before the ability to talk: flesh is not my food).
So, please know, what makes me happy is NOT the eating of humans, my happiness is from realizing reality.

I realized Cannabis and DMT are essential, 9-11 footage & victims fake, and we live within Concave Earth.
Thanks to the Cannibal thread & this IHASFEMR thread: I learned most of us are not being eaten currently.
So, though we humans were created to be eaten, look on the bright side: nobody is eating me or you, right?

It's kinda' like this: if a rare free-thinker pointed out the fact that all humans will die, that is simply reality.
Don't scold the free-thinker for pointing out Reality which the masses try every moment to avoid admitting.
Try to find the positive, for example: we have time before our bodies die, and our spirits might live on after,
and even in a nihilistic world in which spirits didn't live on, well, our children live on and hopefully theirs too,
(and even if you chose the action of internal-baby-killing / not having children, well your ideas can live on.)

So, just as the Reality-realizer should say "all humans die", so too, he should say "human-eaters ruled us."
Main point is: at least you aren't bowing down to allow your head to be chopped off by human-eaters now.
At least you aren't as stupid as humans a few hundred years ago who thought being killed was a blessing.
At least now you have the desire and the ability to live longer than the majority who were eaten at age 12.

If a high enough percent of humans living within Earth realized we were created/altered by human-eaters,
then that would motivate us to arrest/prosecute/imprison/kill the current helpers who are still enslaving us,
that would allow us to properly distribute equal access to the plentiful resources of Earth's 510 Million km².
PHS wrote above, "It's hard, but it's necessary to look unflinchingly for the truth." And, truth is: beneficial.

The lies about our history as humans until now have kept us physically and mentally self-enslaved too long.
When we became mainly free from human-eaters, we should've immediately killed the human-eater helpers.
There are so many of us rightly angry: human-eater helpers are trying to reduce our numbers, by all means.
Well, by all and any means necessary we must positively unite by sharing ideas about how to regain control.

Anyway, even if most humans can't even imagine the big idea of being free from rulers, the Reality remains.
The Reality is humans were eaten by human-eaters: ruling humans still try it though they get prion disease.
The Reality is if SOME of us humans have the intelligence to realize Reality, there is hope for us to be Free.
#1. Emancipate ourselves from mental slavery (history lies, status-quo) only ourselves can Free our Minds.
#2. Intelligence plus Courage is Essential (CBD increases Courage) to Free our Bodies from any/all rulers.
#3. If physically battling rulers seems impossible, then it's vital to be Self-Sufficient enough to walk away.

All that might seem off-topic, but it's related to the topic, since I noticed some problems needing solutions.
1 problem was the masses with loyalty-to-authority which caused Free-Thinkers to feel shy to share ideas.
The second problem was a reader assuming we're focusing on this "negative" Reality without Positive Hope.
I Hope now it's clear: First come Ideas about Reality, then Evidence, then desire for Justice, then Solutions.
OK, I return the microphone back to all Free-Thinkers here, you all know who you are, please keep sharing!

 

[usselo]

Dear Usselo, I created those 26 "direct links" ("selection-links") to your posts on the Cannibalism thread.
I mention this again here so it doesn't go unnoticed, since I added all that to the previous post using edit.

The plus about those links is one can point directly to the extra-archived posts. The minus is lack of video.
Since the videos are so essential (since our imagination [DMT-producing pineal-gland] organs are broken),
I guess you probably still will prefer to NOT use the archive.ph direct-links, since they strip out the videos.
And there's always a chance that the archive.ph records might one day be deleted, so that's another minus.
I really just wanted to throw an extra layer of archiving over the StolenHistoryArchive for backup purposes.

Thanks for doing that. I appreciate how much effort it takes.

The videos are not always vital to the content. I put them in because they help readers imagine some of the ideas. Or, sometimes, because they're funny.

Anyway as you wisely pointed out earlier in this thread: a real solution is for you to create an improved site.

My experiments with an improved site are experiments with how to communicate uncomfortable and/or complex ideas when there is no budget to pay for actors or animators. And in a smartphone-friendly way.

Also, with experiments and research, there's a role for a research-oriented, 'scratchpad' site for evaluating evidence and argument, and a role for a separate, more finished, presentation site. So at least two sites. I'd also share data in English, Chinese, Spanish just to start climbing over language barriers. More sites.

Any (and all) areas you might have been reluctant to post due to concerns about reactions from naysayers.
Naysayers = humans overly obeying their Loyalty-loops, who require an Authority to admit some idea first.
Folks (one wasted time on pages 7 & 8 here) implying we shouldn't post ideas without sufficient evidence.
Those folks argue small details without seeing the big picture, and that causes free-thinkers to share less.

These days I tend to think the naysayers and even some enthusiasts are just having a laugh. The main reason I don't post as much is because I'm not satisfied with my own processing of the evidence.

If you're referring to the conversation about Swineshead cross, cross-base and stocks on pages 7 & 8, I can see why it may seem a waste of time. However, being held accountable for inaccuracy prodded me to be more precise about which structure I was talking about. Kd-755's questions also helped me look more closely at the former co-temporal presence of yew and bone in and around churches. Which led to the laminates post (and its layers of gags) and the realisation that laminated organic products were possibly/probably fabricated on a very large scale in the past. At 'churches'. Which produces a lead into understanding which parts of 'churches' were most like to have existed before they were rebuilt in the 18th/19th century and re-branded as churches.

It also nudged me to pay more attention to the structure of the top of Swineshead cross and thence to the construction of other crosses. Although I haven't posted about it, from that developed the idea to examine various parts of church 'furniture' as animal feeding stations.

Particularly the furniture that was most often destroyed by Cromwellian 'iconoclasts': tombs and crosses.

It's great that so many second and perhaps even third order implications cascaded out of that part of the thread, but it is a shame that investigating them contributed to the posting rate falling away.

but still I'm interested to know, Usselo, were you born into Russian culture and then grew up in UK culture?

Not to my knowledge but the various Russian-seeming posters on LiveJournal.ru, etc, are inspirational for anyone questioning mainstream history. Russian-language articles about quarried Earth inspired me to dig deeper, after the mysteries exposed by KD's Clueless Historians thread.

I make that "mere speculation" guess based on the higher-level intelligence I find in Russian free-thinkers,
biased by my knowing my great-grandfather was Russian Jew, but, I of course grew up in American culture,
but anyway, I also noticed that some of your idea sparks were sparked by the Russian thinkers you posted.

Of course, they may not really be 'Russian'. My occasional references to 'coincidences' are nods towards the possibility that hints and clues are being dropped by agencies other than Russian free-thinkers or fellow-minded board users.

 

[Potato]

I was discussing this thread with my son and he said I needed to check out this game, "Graveyard Keeper"

The story begins as you are hit by a car and wake up in a sort of limbo world where you are told you are now the new Graveyard Keeper. It is your job to deal with all the dead bodies. You are forced to become a preacher at the neighboring churchyard and must process the dead bodies by extracting blood, fat, meat, bones, internal organs, etc. and selling them or utilizing them to craft products. The meat is sold to the villagers as food and there is an underground tunnel that leads from your mortuary to the cellar of the church.

I've only played for a few hours so far but I look forward to seeing what other church/cannibalism connections they have included. This thread is the first time I've considered such ideas but this game was released in 2018 so the devs had the concept in mind for a good time before that. The creators of the game are Lazy Bear Games in Russia.

 

[usselo]

I was discussing this thread with my son and he said I needed to check out this game, "Graveyard Keeper"

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The story begins as you are hit by a car and wake up in a sort of limbo world where you are told you are now the new Graveyard Keeper. It is your job to deal with all the dead bodies. You are forced to become a preacher at the neighboring churchyard and must process the dead bodies by extracting blood, fat, meat, bones, internal organs, etc. and selling them or utilizing them to craft products. The meat is sold to the villagers as food and there is an underground tunnel that leads from your mortuary to the cellar of the church.

Cheers, that's a great find.

Perhaps workhouses will show up. Clearly a part of the infrastructure of human/hominid management. But did they sell also sell body parts?

From The Body in the Workhouse - Death, Burial, and Belonging in Early Eighteenth-Century St Giles in the Fields (central London) by Tim Hitchcock, discussing (and dismissing) 1782 claims about a workhouse situated north of what is now Covent Garden:

... broadside pamphlet called The Workhouse Cruelty: Workhouses turn’d Goals, And Goalers Executioners, which added ever more tortured flesh to the tale of Mary Whistle’s treatment; detailing a series of earlier deaths in the workhouse associated particularly with the ill-treatment of decayed householders, and with the theft of body parts

The pamphlet attributes the problems to the workhouse's master and mistress: Matthew Marryott and Sarah Underhood. It caught my eye because a 'Marryott' crops up earlier in this thread in association with IHASFEMR-style farming and harvesting around Kings Lynn, Norfolk.

And also because I'm trying to find the location in Lincoln, England, of "St Giles' Holes', which were close to a 'hospital' on Wragby Road. The hospital is now Lincoln Christ's Hospital School.

St Giles' Holes were described in the early 19th century as being soutterains (tunnels) and vaults whose purpose was (allegedly) unknown. Nearby St Giles estate was built as a council-owned 'garden estate'. However, it was - and still looks to be - a rough place to live. So I wonder if, after the destruction and re-population of the English Civil War, a population originally being reared in St Giles' Holes was housed in the council houses.

Also in that St Giles pdf link are details of central London's church (re)building program. With observations like:

In 1710... a programme of building was set in train that sought to cater for London’s ever-growing population, and to repair its failing religious infrastructure. It was hoped that the new churches would both encourage a religious' reformation of manners’.

Notable items in that sentence are:

• A date around 1710. Ie, post Civil War, collapse in progress of the Holy Roman Empire, Augustans/Hannoverians taking charge in England, first wave of 'Romantic' culture about to start in England.
• It's a program, not a spontaneous surge of church building.
• A 'reformation of manners' is the goal. IHASFEMR theory proposes manners were ogrish prior to the Civil War cleansing and that mopping up and development of manners has continued since.

Not new to anyone who has read the thread carefully. Just another piece of evidence tacked to the theory.

The Romantic writers and painters of Britain are interesting to examine. Without dumping a load of evidence that is easily available on Wikipedia, they seem to have been charged with rewriting the hideous past into something more palatable.

Romantic even.

 

[ProfessorHotStuff]

A 'reformation of manners' is the goal. IHASFEMR theory proposes manners were ogrish prior to the Civil War cleansing and that mopping up and development of manners has continued since.

That's interesting. My gut instinct is that such a program would be a system-wide promotion of obedience and docility. A feral every-man-for-himself population would certainly be harder to control and farm (either for taxes or meat). Excellent post, thank you.

 

[usselo]

That's interesting. My gut instinct is that such a program would be a system-wide promotion of obedience and docility. A feral every-man-for-himself population would certainly be harder to control and farm (either for taxes or meat). Excellent post, thank you.

Yes, indeed.

People do seem to have become more conservative - more self-regulating - over the few decades I've been able to watch. As evidenced by, say, the alternative London of the late 60s/early 70s versus the brand and values-focused London of today. Obviously, this shift extends beyond London and beyond England.

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They don't even know what "Don't Bogart the joint!" means. Source: Fringe s3 e06

Another example of the expansion of self-regulation might be the growth of Compliance Departments in the private (and presumably also the public) sector, versus the shrinking of operational departments. That is, an expansion of management focus towards compliance-management and away from development and production.

A rise in conservative mindset seems to be an outcome of increased economic risk. Where 'increased' means both: 'increasing number of risks' and 'an increase in the seriousness of outcomes when risk-taking does go wrong'. You can see a possible link between increased economic risk and the swing - starting decades ago - towards conservative politics versus innovative politics, towards consumption rather than experimentation.

You could re-read those three paragraphs substituting the word 'docility' for 'conservatism' and 'self-regulation'.

Was our increased docility induced deliberately and did this induced docility program start a long time ago?

Try this about the Grimsby, England, story of Havelok the Dane:

its detailed depiction of working-class life in 13th-century Lincolnshire. It has been called a 'bourgeois' romance because of the high value placed on hard work, virtuous behaviour, and proverbial wisdom

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Hard work and virtuous behaviour in modern Grimsby. Source: The Grimsby Brothers

"Hard work, virtuous behaviour, and proverbial wisdom" sound like the same manners that were being promoted by Bourne, Lincolnshire-based Bob Orm, Bob Manning, Fred Manning, and Bill Dodd. AKA - for any that remember - 'Bill and Bob'.

Havelock the Dane is unlikely to have been written before the English Civil War and more likely to have been conceived/written in the century up to 1800. So 220 years later, perhaps the drive for docility has been wildly successful. Perhaps today's Grimsby was always its goal:

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"You will need to suffer more." Source: Westworld s01 e10

Investigating the 18th and 19th century romantics, you can find allegiances and proximities between entities who are credited (at a Wikipedia-level, at least) with romancing the past and with creating today's docility-enhancing political economy. For example, the very interesting Thomas Carlyle entity:

...wrote The French Revolution: A History (1837) and became prominent. Each of his subsequent works, from On Heroes, Hero-Worship, & the Heroic in History (1841) to History of Friedrich II. of Prussia, Called Frederick the Great (1858–1865) and beyond, were highly regarded throughout Europe and North America.

Not to mention Carlyle making up writing the first biography of Oliver Cromwell - the alleged leader of England's alleged 17th century 'Revolution'.

Carlyle:

...occupied a central position in Victorian intellectual life, shaping such areas of thought as Romanticism, transcendentalism and medievalism; political movements such as socialism, conservatism, and nationalism; and artistic currents such as the Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood, aestheticism, and the Arts and Crafts movement.

Paraphrasing to make the point:

Thomas Carlyle shaped such areas as medievalism (ie 'history'); political movements such as socialism, conservatism, and nationalism

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"Shaped socialism, conservatism and nationalism..." Wow, Total Political Spectrum Dominance (TPSD)!

"I've got a new angle. It's called Engels." Source​

Re-arrange 'TPSD' a bit and you get 'PTSD', which I see all around - much of it hiding under wine bottles.

Anyway, leaving my commentary out of it, there is plenty of evidence of a deliberate reining in of human intellectual discovery. From Science under Control: The French Academy of Sciences 1795-1914:

a case study of carefully regulated scientific production encouraged yet constrained within a system of reports, prizes, and elections

Romanticism and the political systems that appeared alongside it would appear to be a veil created to:

• hide our role as snacks, targets and playthings in an amusement park of the past, and
• nudge our behaviour with a new set of role models.

So our enhanced docility might not have been a bad thing. Especially given some of the physical evidence presented in this thread. 'Docility' may even have been a prerequisite for Carlyle et al to get us to stop eating our children:

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Payment in kind at the Guildhall. Source: Bullets of Justice

And the children of others.

 

[TheImp]

This thread has been quite thought-provoking to read through.

When mentions of Nocton were made previously, as an American imagining them said in a variety of UK accents, I couldn't help but imagine some of them come out closer to "nocturne" in pronunciation, leading to more imaginings as they related to this thread. In addition, I too am fond of dissecting words into parts for their literal meanings even if they are said to be unrelated. I couldn't help myself by looking up the origins of "noc" and "ton" and the results invariably lead back to "night/darkness/death" and "wineskin/barrel/cask" respectively. Definitely makes one imagine more things in relation to talks of "frothy blood" and such.

 

[ProfessorHotStuff]

Was our increased docility induced deliberately and did this induced docility program start a long time ago?

I definitely think so, especially in Europe and East Asia. A look at racial crime statistics shows that docility training has taken more in those races than others. If we were the ones descended from food animals and other locations' peoples are the descendants of early escapees that would explain it as well - they would have essentially recovered from their domesticated state to become feral for the purpose of survival in the wild. (If we were to look at Establishment history, I'd say Christianity is what increased docility in whites, but obviously my mind is open to what is in this thread).

This post is not intended to be a justification for "hate." I'm just trying to take a clear-eyed look at things. Anecdotally, my wife is only 1/4 Native American and she has an utter disregard for the laws of man - same for the NA side of her family.

 

[Frits]

According to Hopi-legends 4 races were created: red, brown, yellow and white. All of them recieved a task to find the place to be called home. (in the books from Frank Waters and Dick de Soeten is this described). Racisme is a social-construct and introduced by TPTB to devide. People who stand op to each other are easily to control. And remember everything that happens that has to do with racism or anti-semetic issues is scripted.

 

[ProfessorHotStuff]

Racisme is a social-construct and introduced by TPTB to devide. People who stand op to each other are easily to control. And remember everything that happens that has to do with racism or anti-semetic issues is scripted.

Racism can be used as a tool of divide-and-conquer, I agree. Preference for one's own racial type however is born into people and is quite natural (I am not promoting any oppressive impulses). Race realism is an unpleasant truth, but it is the truth, as demonstrated by science performed before full top-down control of scientism by TPTB. I'd recommend the Minnesota Adoption Studies as a fairly clear-cut bit of evidence in favor of it. The omnipresence of big-money antiracist propaganda itself is quite revealing.

Back to the subject: the evidence in this thread seems to promote that the institutionalized human-eating trade was largely in Europe, and thus the docility we are discussing may have been first (or most) directed at Europeans. If we had more East Asian members, I'd be interested to hear if there were similar institutions and coverups where they're from.

 

[feralimal]

My working working hypothesis is that there are at least 2 entities here, humans and another. Perhaps we have one timescale of life, and they a longer one. So when @usselo talks about increasing docility, I see this as an attribute that can selected (by a long lived farmer). Like how we can see changes when we select the tastiest tomatoes to breed or thornless blackberries. You can read the excellent quotes as an expression of various parts of the control structure plainly expressing its managerial goals.

The other group seems to have access to humanity's "user's manual" - perhaps they can create all sorts of alterations via judicious use of environmental and social factors. So perhaps they adjusted the terrain/biology/inputs for gigantism in the past, but that requirement ended so the giants disappeared. Perhaps the main goal is for better food access (or some other idea such as spiritual energy harvesting aka loosh). Perhaps docility or conformity is increasingly required now. I'd say this is conformity is assisted most recently by minimising cultural differences, via screens and technology, but surely science, culture, religion, education, etc did this most of this work in the past.

Couldn't you also argue being docile is another way of saying 'civilisation' or 'domestication'? Being 'civil' requires one to be more docile, high density housing, education, neoteny, acquiescence to authority, etc all assist in the domestication process. Maybe vaccines are a part of that change process too, in this generation or the next.

Opposite words to 'docile' are such words as 'resistant' , 'contrary' , 'unwilling' - these are words I prefer to 'civil', 'docile', 'domestic'.

For me all that fits in to what I think of as the arch duality - that of the individual and the collective. I think if we are left to our own devices humans can individuate and find something akin to a life purpose. However, from the perspective of the other type of entity here, the one that has power, answers and longevity, clearly it would be far easier to manage a homogenous, docile collective. It is harder to manage lots of individuals who reason and act independently - there is no herd to be managed. And therein lies the reason why everything is bent the way it is - history, science are only incidentally related to truth, but they are fully subverted towards expedient management of humanity.

Anyway, leaving my commentary out of it

I know I'm misconstruing this minor comment, but I think I have learnt not to leave my commentary out. I mean, if you don't have a commentary or narrative of your own, preferably based in reason, you will be provided one.. Provided narratives when accepted are a 'consciousness hijack'. Accepting provided, unverified stories results in becoming collectivised to a greater or lesser extent.

Are your stories really yours, do they fit in with your experience? Why do we believe things rather than know them? What can we know, and what does knowing mean? Of course you can hear other ideas, but are you integrating (parsing, testing, rejecting) ideas and making them your own or accepting them? Isn't having others frame our lives for us our 'irresponsibility problem' our sovereignty problem - where we don't have confidence in our personal experience to act according to what we know, and defer to others? What does it take to shake us from our stupor, how directly can people express reality, in the present and in history? Is communication an impossibility, can one only develop oneself?

All that is perhaps too tangential and philosophical to the question of history in this thread. But dammit, that's where this discussion takes me!

I guess the value of the ideas in this thread for me, is in the idea of cracking open of the historical narrative, and replacing it with a viable, alternative, conspiratorial one. It seems more plausible! The provided explanations of the nature of the experience we are having do not make sense! It is not a natural unfurling of reality - that much seems clear, but it is a struggle to find the answers we seek. Can it be done? Usselo is trying. To me, some part of the answer must be contentment with refining ourselves so we cannot get lost in another's story again.