Flat Earth

[grav]

I think I posted this before. It bears repeating.


View: https://youtu.be/kZ1XkwF9HpQ

4:11

DITRH makes great videos. Short, with captions that explain his major points.
This one shows a setting sun that fades away because its light cannot penetrate the thick armosphere.
In other words, the sun never sets; if all the water vapor in the air were sucked away, we might not ever have night.

Olbers's Paradox also makes that point about stars. With countless numbers of them in the night sky, their total effect should be constant daylight.

 

[kulapono]

I think this is the primary gateway into the FE rabbit hole. It boggles the mind that we accomplished so little in space during the 50 years since that initial 3 year span of successful moon landings despite the advancements in technology. You can't help but be convinced that something is being covered up and eventually you make the connection that everything you were told about the nature of space and the solar system might be unreliable. I'm not sure how people get into FE without that as a stepping stone.

I like that 'primary gateway'. Doubt of NASA is the innocent gateway drug to the crystal meth of FE.
I've read that back during the 'years of successful moon landings' that the computers then had the capacity of a smart phone today, if so, shouldn't we be all over the solar system now? I haven't really seen the benefits of all the zillions of dollars of research contributing to the fields of medicine, engineering, bettering our lives, stuff like that. I do remember as a child that there was this 'astronaut space food' that was tasty, little tubes of chocolate brownie made by General Mills if I recall correctly. Oh, and Tang, the powdered orange drink. Tasted like watery orange juice. Do any of you remember that?
I don't see any change at all; there were wars in the 1960's- we have wars today. Yes, but with better weapons. People around the world starving and dying from disease- check the box, yup we still have that. Live coverage of the ISS show astronauts floating around, women's hair askew, so I guess that hairspray doesn't work in zero gravity. Do underarm deodorants? Don't they do lab mice experiments also? OK. I seem to recall hearing or reading that some diseases the mice had went into remission in outer space. Good, let's go with that, no more chemo for you we're going to send you into orbit. That could be a benefit!
Most of you are waaaay smarter than me, please and I am really asking for answers; what ways has 'space exploration' benefited humanity? Conquistadores brought back chocolate, Crusaders silk processing and spices, Raleigh brought tobacco, what did space exploration do?
I mean, something worthwhile had to come of it, right? Thank you in advance for your answers.

 

[Citezenship]

I like that 'primary gateway'. Doubt of NASA is the innocent gateway drug to the crystal meth of FE.
I've read that back during the 'years of successful moon landings' that the computers then had the capacity of a smart phone today, if so, shouldn't we be all over the solar system now? I haven't really seen the benefits of all the zillions of dollars of research contributing to the fields of medicine, engineering, bettering our lives, stuff like that. I do remember as a child that there was this 'astronaut space food' that was tasty, little tubes of chocolate brownie made by General Mills if I recall correctly. Oh, and Tang, the powdered orange drink. Tasted like watery orange juice. Do any of you remember that?
I don't see any change at all; there were wars in the 1960's- we have wars today. Yes, but with better weapons. People around the world starving and dying from disease- check the box, yup we still have that. Live coverage of the ISS show astronauts floating around, women's hair askew, so I guess that hairspray doesn't work in zero gravity. Do underarm deodorants? Don't they do lab mice experiments also? OK. I seem to recall hearing or reading that some diseases the mice had went into remission in outer space. Good, let's go with that, no more chemo for you we're going to send you into orbit. That could be a benefit!
Most of you are waaaay smarter than me, please and I am really asking for answers; what ways has 'space exploration' benefited humanity? Conquistadores brought back chocolate, Crusaders silk processing and spices, Raleigh brought tobacco, what did space exploration do?
I mean, something worthwhile had to come of it, right? Thank you in advance for your answers.

The memory foam one always gets me, it needs "gravity" to work.

 

[Starman]

I think I posted this before. It bears repeating.


View: https://youtu.be/kZ1XkwF9HpQ

4:11

DITRH makes great videos. Short, with captions that explain his major points.
This one shows a setting sun that fades away because its light cannot penetrate the thick armosphere.
In other words, the sun never sets; if all the water vapor in the air were sucked away, we might not ever have night.

Olbers's Paradox also makes that point about stars. With countless numbers of them in the night sky, their total effect should be constant daylight.

I went to see the DITRH video on the Youtube channel which is under the name "Flat Earth Sun, Moon & Zodiac Clock app" It has 25k subscribers. I think this is David Weiss' channel because it references the app he is selling.

It is interesting to note that he has all of the original Ewaranon videos up on this channel. He has the original 13 and also made a five hour video of the more recent series of seven (The Lost History of Flat Earth part FULL (1-7)). This video has 137,000 views! There are almost 2,000 comments since it was uploaded May 31. The comments are wonderful and congratulatory.

Ewaranon is turning into a phenomenon. I have seen his videos mirrored elsewhere. It is heartening to see that so many people are resonating with the subject matter.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ul0e6lw130

I went to see the DITRH video on the Youtube channel which is under the name "Flat Earth Sun, Moon & Zodiac Clock app" It has 25k subscribers. I think this is David Weiss' channel because it references the app he is selling.

It is interesting to note that he has all of the original Ewaranon videos up on this channel. He has the original 13 and also made a five hour video of the more recent series of seven (The Lost History of Flat Earth part FULL (1-7)). This video has 137,000 views! There are almost 2,000 comments since it was uploaded May 31. The comments are wonderful and congratulatory.

Ewaranon is turning into a phenomenon. I have seen his videos mirrored elsewhere. It is heartening to see that so many people are resonating with the subject matter.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ul0e6lw130

I just found this comment from Ewaranon (dated a week ago) on his channel in the comment section. It's in the video called, "Yes, this is the real Ewar channel. He is replying to Bob at Globebusters about being interviewed:

Ghostbuster Bob's comment:

Hello, I was wondering if you would like to join us on the Globebusters show this coming Sunday at Noon Pacific / 3:00 PM Eastern / 7:00 PM UTC. To say I am taken aback by your videos would be an understatement. It seems you have unlocked the secrets of so many things we have covered on Globebusters over the last 6 years and we would love the opportunity to talk to you and get to know you a little better. It has been a long time since I have been as impressed with a video series as I am with your work here and I would love the opportunity to have you join us this Sunday. Please let me know sir and thank you so much for your outstanding contribution to the truth seeking community. - Bob

Ewaranon's response:

"Woah. I was not expecting to see a comment from you when coming on here today.

Your channel, DITRH and Eric Dubay woke me up so long ago. Absolute heroes! And I'm forever grateful for it, thank you very much. I massively respect all the work you guys put in and without it so many would still be asleep. I'm really glad you enjoyed the videos. I never intended to make any videos but at the start of last year, with everything starting to kick off, I felt a sense of urgency to wake family and friends up. And they would never read or watch anything I sent them. So hence the videos. I've only partially succeeded but that's better than nothing right! I started LHFE last December and almost gave up on it around March when everyone started getting the shot but I thought nah keep going at least finish vol 1. They are just videos of me trying to make sense of everything I have learned from so many others and from my own research; to put things into a contextual framework for myself and others. I am so grateful for all you guys' hard work in shattering the globe deception, and to others like Jon Levi, UAP, Flat Fact and Stergios. Without any of you I would be rather lost.

I would love to sit down with you all and discuss all of this stuff but unfortunately I want to remain anonymous and quiet for now. My accounts had a pretty hefty attack after releasing LHFE, with a certain group of people trying to find out my identity and which led to the accounts going down and YT shadow banning this new channel. It's all been a bit of a pain tbh. I'm going to be fairly quiet for a while and will focus on volume 2--it keeps me busy and volume 1 is really just the beginning of the whole story I am trying to tell, I've discovered some interesting things. If you guys are still interested after I release volume 2 then it may work. It would be really cool to chat, so many questions I'd love to ask you guys.

Thanks again for the kind words about LHFE. I'm really chuffed you enjoyed it. And hopefully it is a useful aid in discussion, even if people disagree with what I've presented - I often find some of the best brain waves come from good discussion and debate. All the best mate - keep shattering the globe!"

 

[wise]

As I have told before, I'll show you some moon fiction problems.

Flat Earth Light Experiments 2

Globalist Moonlight Fiction Mistake

In the globe-earth model, the sun's rays at a distance of 150 million kilometers reach the moon parallel to each other. To be seen from Earth as a full moon or even in other ways, some of these rays that reach all visible surfaces of the moon must be reflected back to Earth. However, this is impossible due to the position and shape of the moon. Only less than 0.1% of the moon can be seen. In the remaining thousand, 999 will never appear. So, in theory, that's how it is. Let's make this situation easier to understand with graphics.

We can say that rays coming from a very long distance no longer have an angle between them. In other words, there is a slight difference in angle, and this angle difference causes a bit more visibility than we mentioned. Here, the ideal notation without any angle difference between the sunrays will be used for a better understanding of the subject.

As we can easily see, in accordance with the rules of reflection, the rays coming to a sphere surface are reflected to the other way from the surface at the angle they come from and as a result are scattered around as the graphic above.

Here, the part of the moon that can be seen from the earth is the part that only the reflected rays reach. If the earth, moon, and distance between them were the same as in this representation, we would only be able to see this part of the moon:

If you notice, the rays reflected from the north of the moon reach the north of the earth, and the rays reflected from the south reach the south of the earth. So the visible part of the moon is not completely visible from anywhere in the world. You can only see a small portion of this illustrated portion of the moon from any location.

As a result, the moon can never appear as a full moon or crescent, or even as much of the moon as you can tell by its shape. That is, the rules of optics require it. Therefore, the image of the full moon or any phase in which the whole moon is visible is against the rules of mind and physics and the ordinary flow of life.

The work I have done here is reasonable, repeatable and easily testable. It is comprehensible and clear at a level that even a primary school graduate can understand. Despite this, "so-called" university graduates and "so-called" professors can say without shame that the earth and moon are round. To say that the earth is round, to say that the sun is 150 million kilometers away, that the light reflected from the moon is sunlight, must either have a mental problem or betray the science that it claims to represent.

We'll see you later with worse moonlight problems. Have a nice day.

 

[grav]

"so-called" university graduates and "so-called" professors can say without shame that the earth and moon are round. To say that the earth is round, to say that the sun is 150 million kilometers away, that the light reflected from the moon is sunlight, must either have a mental problem or betray the science that it claims to represent.

No mental problems. You used the right word -- betray.
Why? various forms of persuasion, including threats.

To add to your light presentation, I will mention that I have many times seen the wrong portions of the moon illuminated vis-a-vis the sun. Full moons are never possible. As for why ordinary people never question authority, that one stumps me. I saw chemtrails galore yesterday over a store parking lot. No one else noticed.

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btw, thanks to @dreamtime for unlocking the thread. I have higher expectations for this forum than I do your run-of-the-mill blab factories.

I don't mean to be ugly, butttt.... That's how Southern ladies preface an impending smartalecky comment.

I like this forum. Buttttt I cut my flat teeth on forums where shills, trolls, Nasa fanboys attacked me mercilessly. Endlessly. Maliciously.
Not here. It's ? too quiet. Since I guess, maybe, that I am addicted to a fight club kind of debate.
So I post on Flamewarriors. FW, which I tend to call fluff wits, or words to that effect.
They keep me on my toes. Sometimes, they say the darnedest things. Like today >>>

Quote from Holden

Quote:A curveball curves because the air sticks to it as it spins causing a higher pressure on one side of the baseball

the air sticks to the earth by gravity and spins with the earth because it is part of the earth
air sticks to the earth.
and spins with the earth.
air is part of the earth.

ok.
makes perfect sense.
yep.

gravity drag is, I think, the official term to describe how the whole shebang moves in unison. Relativity speaking.
Grabbity also causes bendy water to cling to the spinny ball.

Grabbity makes all things possible.
Thanks.

But. As Detective Columbo always asks his clients, just one more thing, please.
Why do clouds get to do what they want, huh?

They don't fall down, go against the flow, generally act as if they are superior to air and grabbity drag.

Maybe if we looked at clouds from space, we could figure it out.

 

[Prolix]

So Grav, do you have a parry to the position presented in the links dreamtime gave:

Creating Flight Plans for Flat Earth
A direct test of the flat earth model: flight times - creation.com

Like Lightseeker, I was under the impression FE-ers argued the reverse, that flight paths only made sense under the FE model.

 

[FarewellAngelina]

You cannot form comparisons using two versions of the same globe map , which is what these two websites do . Not a true test.

Fe map latitudes ( measured empirically from pole star elevation) are not compatible with Globe latitudes - apparently computed from the angle subtended to the assumed centre of the earth .

I put in flights from MAN uk to CAN mexico out of curiosity . That flight travels over Iceland , Greenland and down the east coast of America - four members of my family have flown this at separate times . This is different to the great circle path which crosses the ocean west of Ireland . The website shows that as a straight path.

We need a proper FE map to do comparisons.

 

[grav]

So Grav, do you have a parry to the position presented in the links dreamtime gave:

Creating Flight Plans for Flat Earth
A direct test of the flat earth model: flight times - creation.com

Like Lightseeker, I was under the impression FE-ers argued the reverse, that flight paths only made sense under the FE model.

haha, good one, Prolix.
............
This App lets you create a Flight Plan based on the Flat Earth Model.

Note: This Flight Plans must not be used in real flights, because the plans produced by this App are not accurate, because the earth is not flat but a globe.
...........

 

[Prolix]

haha, good one, Prolix.

haha, good one, Prolix.

I'm not attempting to make a joke, but rather understand the conflicting positions on the flight path subject from those versed in FE (or against it). I don't seem to be getting anywhere so far.

Are they right on the basis of the assumed (wrong) FE model/map, yet can't be disproved on the basis of a lack of a working model/map?

 

[space966]

One chance to know more about Earth structure, is to question these people, who make races on yachts. They sometimes reach quite distant points.

Also, discussion about Earth is hard, because it depends on point of view. Let's say, there's wooden stick, one end round, other - square. So one from one end will be shouting, that Earth is round, another - that's square. And both are right.

 

[grav]

You cannot form comparisons using two versions of the same globe map , which is what these two websites do . Not a true test.

Fe map latitudes ( measured empirically from pole star elevation) are not compatible with Globe latitudes - apparently computed from the angle subtended to the assumed centre of the earth .

I put in flights from MAN uk to CAN mexico out of curiosity . That flight travels over Iceland , Greenland and down the east coast of America - four members of my family have flown this at separate times . This is different to the great circle path which crosses the ocean west of Ireland . The website shows that as a straight path.

We need a proper FE map to do comparisons.

1. FE uses the Gleason map as the best representation of our world. Is it accurate? Maybe it is, since the UN map shows the same placememt of continents.

2. I did not work with the flight plan app. I myself have flown from the southern US up to high latitudes, then down to Europe. This was before I knew about flat earth. But even then I wondered why I had to fly to Canada or airports that didn't seem necessary for refueling or to pick up passengers.

In fact, the Great Circle navigation route confused me when I first learned about it in elementary school. I couldn't see how it worked on a globe. In high school I had the same reaction to the Atom theory.

And when we are told that the burden of proof lies with us, I am again perplexed: why is it that status quo science never proves bupkis? The Atom, the solar system, Covid, space rockets and satellites, all the other assumptions of orthodoxy, etc. -- get no scrutiny in the mainstream.

It's the 'ipse dixit' authority. When the Control System says a thing, it must be taken as law. Can anyone prove that airplanes fly direcrly from Australia to South America or southern Africa? Why do they always make pit stops in the US or other out of the way airports? Again, who is in charge of aerospace and cartograohy and the media? Same people as people in charge of medicine, politics, all aspects of modern life.

Last, I have asked for 6 years for visual proof of the spinning globe. What is presented to us is Photoshopped. I've been banned before on generic forums for requesting uncut, unedited videos of rockets entering space.

But I and other flatearthers have to disprove the ipse dixit reality as presented by the behemoth of Big Brother?

 

[FarewellAngelina]

Hi Grav , the Gleason map is just a flattened representation of the globe model . The latitude system shown on the Gleason map belongs to the globe model and derives its degrees from the angle subtended to the assumed centre of the earth . So it cannot represent a flat earth which has to have a latitude system based on stellar observation originating from the North star.

Can't remember offhand but doesn't the UN map ( and other organisations) show the same land arrangements but not latitudes .

Imo the distances given to Southern landmasses are probably not correct .

The flight from Manchester UK to Cancun that I mentioned is around 4800mls according to those websites and given as roughly a 9hr45 min flight. The people I know who flew that one all said the flight was around 11 hrs. None of them did that flight in under 10 hr 30 mins but that could be weather or such things .

Nothing is what it seems - that's my opinion and mainstream science looks more like a control system the more I read of this site .

 

[grav]

it cannot represent a flat earth which has to have a latitude system based on stellar observation originating from the North star.

I get your first point but am not sure about observation of latitudes.
From the North Star we would still have distortion due to the cone of vision or optical compressiom or whatever @wise would call it.

 

[Akanah]

If something is flat or not depends of its size. Little microorganisms would say the body is flat where they are living on.

 

[Prolix]

And when we are told that the burden of proof lies with us, I am again perplexed: why is it that status quo science never proves bupkis? The Atom, the solar system, Covid, space rockets and satellites, all the other assumptions of orthodoxy, etc. -- get no scrutiny in the mainstream.

It's the 'ipse dixit' authority. When the Control System says a thing, it must be taken as law. Can anyone prove that airplanes fly direcrly from Australia to South America or southern Africa? Why do they always make pit stops in the US or other out of the way airports? Again, who is in charge of aerospace and cartograohy and the media? Same people as people in charge of medicine, politics, all aspects of modern life.

Last, I have asked for 6 years for visual proof of the spinning globe. What is presented to us is Photoshopped. I've been banned before on generic forums for requesting uncut, unedited videos of rockets entering space.

But I and other flatearthers have to disprove the ipse dixit reality as presented by the behemoth of Big Brother?

There's no "burden of proof" intent involved, but I can see you have a residency on your cross to attend to, so I won't pursue the subject further.

 

[FarewellAngelina]

I get your first point but am not sure about observation of latitudes.
From the North Star we would still have distortion due to the cone of vision or optical compressiom or whatever @wise would call it.

That's true Grav - there will always be that atmospheric distortion - the further from the North pole the more you encounter as you look back.
Clear still nights needed - that's how they did it originally . I suppose if you repeated enough observations you could quantify any refraction/distortion to a degree. Pity we'll never know.

 

[Worsaae]

That's true Grav - there will always be that atmospheric distortion - the further from the North pole the more you encounter as you look back.
Clear still nights needed - that's how they did it originally . I suppose if you repeated enough observations you could quantify any refraction/distortion to a degree. Pity we'll never know.

I don't think that's what he meant, but rather you need to account for the perspective and the shape of our eyes and how it impacts what we see.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbQ7U5DGk5k

 

[grav]

Right you are, @Worsaae, as it is difficult to put optical effects into words.
From one viewpoint looking down and into the horizon, distant objects will become more and more compressed. You go to a lot of bother to show the limits of human eyesight to visualize huge areas of real estate.
Not my favorite discussion point, because of the complexities of perception.

But I can at least copy and paste understandable text from a writer who combines history with geology and science. Real history? haha, on this forum? Real science? Velikovsky was a believer of the heliocentric model.
I've been reading Immanuel Velikovsky's Worlds in Collision.
I have a hardcover edition and Kindle. It's available free on Internet Archives in different formats.
Imo, comets are the agents of world age resets. Antiquitech is a pimple on the little toe of cometary catastrophism.
Comets of "antiquity" upheavaled mountains, flooded the earth, and abolished the old sun and moon.
Velikovsky insists that one great comet became a planet. Venus, which erupted from the head of her father, Jupiter.

A sample:
Full text of "Immanuel Velikovsky books - Worlds in Collision (1950), Earth in Upheaval (1955), Stargazers and Gravediggers (1983)"

Nations and tribes in many places of the globe, to the
south, to the north, and to the west of Egypt, have old
traditions about a cosmic catastrophe during which the
sun did not shine; but in some parts of the world the tradi¬
tions maintain that the sun did not set for a period of time '
equal to a few days.

Tribes of the Sudan to the south of Egypt refer in their
tales to a time when the night would not come to an end. 7 -

Kalevala, the epos of the Finns, tells of a time when
hailstones of iron fell from the sky, and the sun and the ’
moon disappeared (were stolen from the sky) and did not
appear again; in their stead, after a period of darkness, a
new sun and a new moon were placed in the sky. 8 Caius
Julius Solinus writes that “following the deluge which is
reported to have occurred in the days of Ogyges, a heavy
night spread over the globe.” 0

In the manuscripts of Avila and Molina, who collected
the traditions of the Indians of the New World, it is related
that the sun did not appear for five days; a cosmic collision
of stars preceded the cataclysm; people and animals tried to
escape to mountain caves. “Scarcely had they reached
there when the sea, breaking out of bounds following a

T L. Frobenius, Dichten imd Denken im Sudan (1925), p. 38.

* Kalevala (transl. J. M. Crawford, 1888), p. xiii.

® Caius Julius Solinus, Polyhislor. French transl. by M. A. Agnant,
1847, Chap, xi, reads: "a heavy night spread over the globe for nine
consecutive days.” Other translators render: "nine consecutive
months.”


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terrifying shock, began to rise on the Pacific coast. But as
the sea rose, filling the valleys and the plains around, the
mountain of Ancasmarca rose, too, like a ship on the
waves. During the five days that this cataclysm lasted,
the sun did not show its face and the earth remained in
darkness.” 10

Thus the traditions of the Peruvians describe a time when
the sun did not appear for five days. In the upheaval, the
earth changed its profile, and the sea fell upon the land. 11

East of Egypt, in Babylonia, the eleventh tablet of the
Epic of Gilgamesh [Gilgamish] refers* to the same events.
From out the horizon rose a dark cloud and it rushed
against the earth; the land was shriveled by the heat of the
flames. “Desolation . . . stretched to heaven; all that was
bright was turned into darkness. . . . Nor could a brother
distinguish his brother. ... Six days ... the hurricane,
deluge, and tempest continued sweeping the land . . . and
all human back to its clay was returned.” 12

 

[grav]

To continue with old world "myths" which speak of things that are impossible in modern science, we have this.

When the Earth was Moonless

. . . Velikovsky has discussed this same idea by noting that one of the most remote recollections of mankind is in regard to the period of Earth’s history when it was Moonless. Velikovsky quotes everyone from Democritus and Anaxagoras to Aristotle and Apollonius of Rhodes to show that such a pre-Hellenic time existed. Those humans living at the time were called Pelasgians, Proselenes (“before the Moon”), and Arcadians (pre-Danai and pre-Deukalion). They were said to have dwelt in the mountains, fed on acorns, and lived as aborigines. [See below.]

Plutarch, Hippolytus, Censorinus, and a doubting Lucian wrote of pre-Lunar people, as did Ovid, who said that the Arcadians possessed their land before the birth of Jove, and were older than the Moon. There are even Biblical references (Job 25:5 and Psalm 72:5) which allude to a Moonless Earth -- or at least can be so interpreted. Finally, the memory of a Moonless Earth is contained in the oral traditions of such Indians as those of the Bogota highlands in the eastern Cordilleras of Columbia, i.e. according to tribesmen of Chibchas, “In the earliest times, when the moon was not yet in the heavens.”

The references to the aboriginal nature of the pre-Moon folk, and the fact they lived before “the birth of Jove” is particularly noteworthy. While Velikovsky and those scholars suggesting a Moonless Earth time, have never made the apparent connection to Sumerian records and the Anunnaki, many of whom of the latter have a date of birth (or arrival in the environs of Earth) which would have occurred after the time of some of Earth’s original aborigines. In fact, the time of a Moonless Earth might likely correspond to the time when Homo Erectus was roaming about the planet, dwelling in mountains, eating acorns, and becoming the archetype for future aborigines. The possible assumption that the Arcadians were a civilization is without confirming evidence. In addition, the habit of Sumerians to consider civilization and the world as an interchangeable term, does not eliminate an Arcadian “civilization” as being essentially an aboriginal one. Meanwhile, all the histories tie together, all the pieces of the puzzle fit -- provided, of course, there is no recarving of the puzzles to make them fit in an incorrect position.

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Did you catch that next to last sentence?

"In addition, the habit of Sumerians to consider civilization and the world as an interchangeable term. "