Flat Earth

[luckyducky007]

Well we are all entitled to our own opinions. I wont get into personal attacks as just not needed and if you took my previous statements as an attack, it was only a generalized statement and not intended that way.

To me, what is known under science in many areas is very much valid and true. If it wasn't everything we use wouldn't work. So by that logic then there is truth within science. Why I don't just believe in the evidence for flat earth that has been provided, it hasn't stood up for itself. Also every time there is an experiment that proves flat earth wrong, they do their best to refute it, even when they've done it themselves.

I personally feel there are some important truths out there, but this one is the distraction. Time may prove me wrong but at this moment in time, after everything i've researched that just how i see it.

 

[grav]

Over the years I've tried to debate numerous globe shills -- and dealt with many groupthinkers who can't break out of their indoctrination. Most flatearthers have abandoned forums altogether, thanks to underhanded tactics of Big Brother operatives.
I've become fairly immune to the abuse, both of me personally and science in general.

In order to avoid even more of those tiresome wastes of time, I want to change the direction of this thread. Instead of Basic Flat Earth 101, I'd like to explore the structure of the whole of cosmology.

The best researcher into the 'big picture' is, in my opinion, Vibes of Cosmos.
The site presents videos and books which propose the hologram projection from another dimension through the Black Sun.
The energy transforms into a toroidal universe with an accretion disk -- the Infinite Plane.
It then reflects the accretion plane onto the dome, or one of the domes, which VOC calls the Plasma Moon.
The earthly domain is one of the continents that appear in the reflection.

edit - While I was writing this post, I somehow got logged out in media res.
When I logged back in, my embedded image had shrunk and can't be replaced with a larger size.
annoying.

 

[Seiya]

I agree that we are all entitled to our own opinions and believe in whatever want. Sense this believe is not using against someone.

Let say. You worship Satan ok, do whatever in your house, good to you. No issue. Them you start walking on the streets dress like Dracula. when someone mock you for exemple, don't get upset e start claim to be create special rules and punishment to the rest of the world. You find a way to sort it out, not because you believe the world have to change to you.

The believe in space is support criminals that are stiling not only the wealth but the freedom of everyone in this world.
I had just comeback from AeroSpace City Bremen when I discover that space is fake. I felt a strange disturbing felling which took a while to finish. Not because I had been deceived but impact have in so many levels. The government of every single country together with universities, media and corporations part of this scam, lying 24/7. How much low you must be to wake up everyday get dress to lie to deceive people?

That's why is a problem in believe in space.

 

[Tetromino]

Over the years I've tried to debate numerous globe shills -- and dealt with many groupthinkers who can't break out of their indoctrination. Most flatearthers have abandoned forums altogether, thanks to underhanded tactics of Big Brother operatives.
I've become fairly immune to the abuse, both of me personally and science in general.

In order to avoid even more of those tiresome wastes of time, I want to change the direction of this thread. Instead of Basic Flat Earth 101, I'd like to explore the structure of the whole of cosmology.

The best researcher into the 'big picture' is, in my opinion, Vibes of Cosmos.
The site presents videos and books which propose the hologram projection from another dimension through the Black Sun.
The energy transforms into a toroidal universe with an accretion disk -- the Infinite Plane.
It then reflects the accretion plane onto the dome, or one of the domes, which VOC calls the Plasma Moon.
The earthly domain is one of the continents that appear in the reflection.

edit - While I was writing this post, I somehow got logged out in media res.
When I logged back in, my embedded image had shrunk and can't be replaced with a larger size.
annoying.
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At first I thought the moon showing a map of the Earth was a stretch but the more I think about it the more it makes sense. Some will say that it looks nothing like the shape of landmasses on our maps but then how do we know our maps depict them correctly? Maybe it's our maps that are wrong. The great year being the time it takes for the toroidal field that our sun and moon revolves in to revolve around the greater Earth.

 

[Just]

At first I thought the moon showing a map of the Earth was a stretch but the more I think about it the more it makes sense. Some will say that it looks nothing like the shape of landmasses on our maps but then how do we know our maps depict them correctly? Maybe it's our maps that are wrong. The great year being the time it takes for the toroidal field that our sun and moon revolves in to revolve around the greater Earth.

Just like a mirror image it has to be flipped. Vibes of Cosmos / Stergios shows the distances and the coastlines of our part of the plane. Definitely convincing imo

 

[grav]

At first I thought the moon showing a map of the Earth was a stretch but the more I think about it the more it makes sense. Some will say that it looks nothing like the shape of landmasses on our maps but then how do we know our maps depict them correctly? Maybe it's our maps that are wrong. The great year being the time it takes for the toroidal field that our sun and moon revolves in to revolve around the greater Earth.

I had an easy time accepting flat earth in 2015.
But it was based on physical evidence based on real physics and math and logic.

The moon reflection is a harder concept to grasp. The Matrix and Avatar movies gave us clues about our reality being a digital construction. Tron, the original computer-reality movie, is for me the best portrayal of that which we call "Creation."
The protagonist, Kevin Flynn, wrote the code for his game program, and then he got sucked into it.
That sci-fi story line reminds me of the gnostic religion-myth-software ideas about Advanced Beings emanating our entire history and world ages and Satan and all that jazz.
And then we have the black cube thread, which fits quite nicely into this puzzling reality.
Lots of cool visualizations in Body Scientific and FE imaginations -- black sun, Big Bang, Steady State, toroidal universe,
multiverses, aether projections, 7 heavens, moon dome x-ray reflection, many more.

To continue this search into the hologram projector theory, I'll try once again to embed another image.

 

[Seiya]

The most important is Space is Fake

Crater Earth is how I see this world. Due to the large amount of evidence

Even though I learned the truth through the content of Flat Earth, Space being fake was my focus. The flat earth model never calls my attention. The reason could be in what I believe, I think when you get to the area called Antarctica, if you keep walking in a straight line, you will walk forever. I think it would be a flat desert of ice going forever.

Then I was introduced to Create Earth, strange at first glance but the evidence leaves me with no doubts. Some people call coincidences, but do not believe in coincidence it is evidence.

Vibe cosmos is connected to the scam agent EWAR who underestimated the intelligence of those who have already woken up and are looking for the truth. Besides, I constantly take photos and videos of the Moon and I don't see what he wants me to see.

 

[grav]

The most important is Space is Fake

Crater Earth is how I see this world. Due to the large amount of evidence

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Even though I learned the truth through the content of Flat Earth, Space being fake was my focus. The flat earth model never calls my attention. The reason could be in what I believe, I think when you get to the area called Antarctica, if you keep walking in a straight line, you will walk forever. I think it would be a flat desert of ice going forever.

Then I was introduced to Create Earth, strange at first glance but the evidence leaves me with no doubts. Some people call coincidences, but do not believe in coincidence it is evidence.

Vibe cosmos is connected to the scam agent EWAR who underestimated the intelligence of those who have already woken up and are looking for the truth. Besides, I constantly take photos and videos of the Moon and I don't see what he wants me to see.

crater? like this?
Pit corrosion in metals or some glass materials?


I'm not sure how you define 'earth' -- which term we FEers often use to describe the entire plane in which our world is embedded.
Like a puddle on a level concrete driveway. or a pond in otherwise flat land.
'Infinite' is another example of imprecise language we throw around haphazardly.


My view of our digital reality is this > a roundish or donut shaped universe with layers of accretion disks, which we see as planes.
In our plane, worlds are bubble-like indentations. Half of the bubble is our solid world made of rock, soil, and water. Not unlike a crater in the moon. Above the surface is the gaseous airspace which extends up to the firmament, the Hebrew word, raqia.
Other ancient belief systems agreed with the dome structure -- Egyptian, Norse, others.

Job 37:18
Can you, like him, spread out the skies,
hard as a cast metal mirror?

Notice how our firmament is a mirror.
We can reject all religions and silly myths and fairy tales, like the Chicken Little story about the sky is falling.

But for our atmospheric gases to be pressurized, we need a container to seal in oxygen, nitrogen, carbon dioxide, etc.; and there needs to be a solid structure above us. The science is very straightforward. Pressure is derived by confining mass in a volume.
P = m ÷ v

 

[alltheleaves]

The most important is Space is Fake

Crater Earth is how I see this world. Due to the large amount of evidence
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I constantly take photos and videos of the Moon and I don't see what he wants me to see.

what do you see?

 

[Seiya]

crater? like this?
Pit corrosion in metals or some glass materials?

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I'm not sure how you define 'earth' -- which term we FEers often use to describe the entire plane in which our world is embedded.
Like a puddle on a level concrete driveway. or a pond in otherwise flat land.
'Infinite' is another example of imprecise language we throw around haphazardly.


My view of our digital reality is this > a roundish or donut shaped universe with layers of accretion disks, which we see as planes.
In our plane, worlds are bubble-like indentations. Half of the bubble is our solid world made of rock, soil, and water. Not unlike a crater in the moon. Above the surface is the gaseous airspace which extends up to the firmament, the Hebrew word, raqia.
Other ancient belief systems agreed with the dome structure -- Egyptian, Norse, others.

Job 37:18
Can you, like him, spread out the skies,
hard as a cast metal mirror?

Notice how our firmament is a mirror.
We can reject all religions and silly myths and fairy tales, like the Chicken Little story about the sky is falling.

But for our atmospheric gases to be pressurized, we need a container to seal in oxygen, nitrogen, carbon dioxide, etc.; and there needs to be a solid structure above us. The science is very straightforward. Pressure is derived by confining mass in a volume.
P = m ÷ v

Here is one Moon photography I took

Can you see the craters? Now take the flat earth and put inside one the crater. The crater call Sulpicius Gallus M.

To easy understand, he is the video where I learn, it is incredible work of . Watch by order so you can understand better

https://rumble.com/v38eduz-01-is-the-moon-the-reflection-of-a-gigantic-earth.html

Sorry, maybe I didn’t explain correct. I thought about “infinite Antarctica” before I discover the Crater Earth.

We have a firmament, I have no doubt about.

This world is real, it is not digital, is very real and biologic. The digital ‘e came from the invaders, they use digital to deceive us, they glich sometimes and they are disgusting but this is to another topic.

 

[Seiya]

 

[Seiya]

what do you see?

A projection of a huge land, the land we are. But I can't see 70% of the Moon surface be the continents.

The moon is beautiful I can't get tired to look.

 

[reverendALC]

I think that the first part of dismantling the heliocentric globe earth would most easily be breaking down “outer space”.

accepting the “big bang” as fact for the purpose of this argument, let’s look at that wonderful animation of our solar system again:

as our solar system hurtles away from the ancient singularity, it would then be fair to assume that all other planets, solar systems, and galaxies would be hurtling away from the same singularity in their own direction, with varying speeds dependent upon their masses.

in this case, the earth is “spinning” at 1037mph. The earth is orbiting the sun at 66,627mph, while the entire solar system is flying through space at 448,000mph. “Facts” from here.

given all of these wild and crazy speeds and trajectories, something like this shouldn’t be possible:

At least, not day after day, year after year, etc. for that to be possible, it seems to me that some incredibly coincidental geometry must have occurred. An incredible coincidence such as the sun being 400x larger than the moon while being 400x further away, creating the illusion of similarity in size. Ask chatGPT, there is no other known coincidence in our skies. How lucky of us.

speaking of our luck, tidal locking explains why the moon always/only presents the same face to us. Tidal locking takes millions of years to occur, luckily our realm is 4.5bn years old so there’s been plenty of time for this to occur. A recurring theme is that all of these celestial coincidences took eons to occur, and are slowly undoing themselves… so slowly we can’t observe it personally.

and then, outer space is a (near) vacuum. I fail to see how our realm could have a pressurized atmosphere in the midst of a vacuum, without a barrier. Allegedly the gravitational pull of the earth is stronger than the pull of the void. counter intuitive to say the least. Also, I can’t seem to understand how propulsion works in a vacuum. A boat propels itself against the water in which it floats. An airplane propels itself against the air through which it flies. And a space shuttle propels itself against… the nothingness?

to explain outer space we have a lot of coincidences, a lot of counterintuitive concepts. To accept these truths requires the abandonment of our own senses, our own observations, and to accept the word of people and equipment we can’t truly be sure exist.

I’m not saying that everything in our universe needs to be clearly understandable as it’s observed and explicable via common sense inference… but I find those occurrences to be outliers and not the norm.

edit to add: occult numerology always triggers my distrust.

66,627 (666)

 

[The Illuminator]

I think that the first part of dismantling the heliocentric globe earth would most easily be breaking down “outer space”.

accepting the “big bang” as fact for the purpose of this argument, let’s look at that wonderful animation of our solar system again:

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as our solar system hurtles away from the ancient singularity, it would then be fair to assume that all other planets, solar systems, and galaxies would be hurtling away from the same singularity in their own direction, with varying speeds dependent upon their masses.

in this case, the earth is “spinning” at 1037mph. The earth is orbiting the sun at 66,627mph, while the entire solar system is flying through space at 448,000mph. “Facts” from here.

given all of these wild and crazy speeds and trajectories, something like this shouldn’t be possible:

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At least, not day after day, year after year, etc. for that to be possible, it seems to me that some incredibly coincidental geometry must have occurred. An incredible coincidence such as the sun being 400x larger than the moon while being 400x further away, creating the illusion

66,627 (666)

Thank-you. Some sanity at last.

God knows what we live inside. It's not a globe that's for sure.

-Water is level and doesn't stick to a ball.
-We have air pressure only achievable by a container
-Celestial navigation tells us we live on a flat plane
-planes flying over the plane.
-Polaris star never moving ever
-N body problem
-Sun Moon coincidences amongstso mamy many more
-Controllers lie at every opportunity

How do we reconcile the above facts with the globe? Quantum plank length curling up of the spacetime so that our flat level plane earth appears level but is actually a glove? I'm not convinced.

However I am glad we have this thread open once more so we can dicuss this topic honestly and with integrity befitting of the old site.

We are all here for the same reason after all.. Truth.

 

[reverendALC]

Water is level and doesn't stick to a ball.

Forgive me. I like to play the devil’s advocate, and I like to debate. I don’t know what “gravity” is, or why immense mass would theoretically cause attraction. In my personal experience, immense mass causes a lack of attraction (end joke )

But if we accept that there is a force pulling things downward… call it what we will, and explain it however, then let’s also accept that our realm is a globe. Then, downward is actually inward, toward the very center of the mass. All objects on the globe would be pulled toward that center with the same strength, provided they’re at the same altitude and the pull is relative to the distance from the center.

let’s put a large crater on that globe, cross sect it, and view my sloppy sketches:

The center red circle marks the center of the gravitational mass and the outer red circle is an altitude with equivalent gravitational pull.

my intuition tells me (no degrees in physics here) that the water wouldn’t find level on a globe because in this instance that would place some water further outside of the equivalent pull zone and some air within said zone. The diagram on the right makes sense to me when accepting gravity as a fact and the globe as a fact. If all of the water is pulled toward the center, then “level” ought to be an extrusion of the center of the gravitational pull right?

Again, I’ll agree that there’s a force drawing things downward. I don’t know what it is or why, though “gravity” is plausible. I don’t necessarily believe that we’re on a globe, let alone spinning through “outer space” either. None of my personal senses lead me to that conclusion, though the explanation is again plausible.

were I going to engage in a FE debate, water finding level isn’t a hill I’d choose to die on!

 

[grav]

Gravity? I'm against that force. Ergo, I am Auntie grav...

For gravity is no force. The word refers to weight. or heaviness. or mass.
More precisely, it is the ratio of particle densities of two adjacent substances.
Water is heavier-than-air and falls as rain.
Clouds are aerosolized particles of water which are lighter-than-air and therefore float.

Now all science teachers know this true science, yet they promote the lie of the force of gravity.
And then when centrifugal force is considered, the same falsifiers will ignore machinist handbooks which state that rim integrity depends solely on speed, not some formula that allows water to stick to a spinning ball.

bother ... I've been pointing out this and other absurdities of the globe model since 2015.
It seems that posters on this thread already understand the basics -- physics, math, logic -- and they are aware that Nasa has provided an abundance of fake photos of earth, fake space missions, and fake videos of Antarctica's Midnight Sun.

We're stuck in a rut. While I appreciate poster input, I think the verdict is in. It's a done dealio. The surface of our home world is a stationary and irregular plane. Above and below, we just don't know.

I'm really really ready to dig deeper into this rabbit hole.
Nasa, the most visible NWO agency of the Body Scientific, has lots of information that they withhold from public scrutiny.
They measured the dome in the 60s, partitioned off the shoreline of our confinement below 60°South latitude, and put the occasional toy spaceships on the news. But they also give us beaucoups of clues, such as Big Bang, Operation Fishbowl, and outright admissions -- such as the famous quotation by astro-not Don Pettit who said that NASA has "lost the technology to leave Lower Earth Orbit (LEO)."

Meantime, AI has probably already achieved the singularity that will obsoletize the useless eaters, just as the bird flu and eternal wars and Georgia Guidestones have prepared for our reset.

 

[reverendALC]

@grav i agree, there is nothing definitively proving heliocentrism to us. We’ve been taught/told our entire lives that we live on the third rock from the sun, and it’s subliminally corroborated through media, literature, gaming, and every imaginable vector.

I would imagine that theres an abundance of devout FEers here, a measurable amount of inbetweeners/unsure, and probably a healthy amount of globers too. While you are correct in that there’s a lot of subtle hnting, doublespeak, and symbolism suggesting that heliocentrism is a lie… and there’s a lot of personal experience/experimentation that can be done to support geocentrism… we should pursue earnest discourse to strengthen our positions. Otherwise things may be no different than the NPC echo-chambers.

 

[luckyducky007]

The midnight sun was proven by FE themselves when they went down there recently. So Disproving FE.

While i agree that gravity isn't completely understood, we do have the knowledge of larger mass objects attracting smaller ones magnetic or not. So a reasonable understanding on how it works enough to work out the drop rate accurately.

Now as for clouds, its aerosolized water particles that's for sure but they are still heavier than air in general however due to air density as well as the fall rate of gravity they float where they are also rising hot air currents. That is until they condense into larger droplets then fall as rain.

As for the water level in a crater. It would depend on the size of the crater because small enough size than yes the water is level however the larger that crater or even lake is then yes you would start to notice the curvature.

One test that could be done is take a picture of Marathon Canada from Marquette Michigan, using current understanding of curvature it should sit approx 1.4km below horizon based off a 240km distance apart across lake superior. Now if you are able to see it from sea/lake level then i feel that's some decent evidence for the argument. I picked these points as they are a sizable enough distance to see if it is true or not.

Consider this playing devils advocate or whatever, i'm seeking answers as much as the next person even if my belief is that its a globe, i'm open to new evidence on how this world really is.

 

[FarewellAngelina]

The midnight sun was proven by FE themselves when they went down there recently. So Disproving FE.

While i agree that gravity isn't completely understood, we do have the knowledge of larger mass objects attracting smaller ones magnetic or not. So a reasonable understanding on how it works enough to work out the drop rate accurately.

Now as for clouds, its aerosolized water particles that's for sure but they are still heavier than air in general however due to air density as well as the fall rate of gravity they float where they are also rising hot air currents. That is until they condense into larger droplets then fall as rain.

As for the water level in a crater. It would depend on the size of the crater because small enough size than yes the water is level however the larger that crater or even lake is then yes you would start to notice the curvature.

One test that could be done is take a picture of Marathon Canada from Marquette Michigan, using current understanding of curvature it should sit approx 1.4km below horizon based off a 240km distance apart across lake superior. Now if you are able to see it from sea/lake level then i feel that's some decent evidence for the argument. I picked these points as they are a sizable enough distance to see if it is true or not.

Consider this playing devils advocate or whatever, i'm seeking answers as much as the next person even if my belief is that its a globe, i'm open to new evidence on how this world really is.

How would that midnight sun observation disprove FE ?

 

[luckyducky007]

How would that midnight sun observation disprove FE ?

Using the FE model

Then there shouldn't be a 24hr sun in Antarctica, However as observed by science long ago and the FE community recently when they went there that is not true.

Felt the picture is the easiest way to explain what im referring to.