Flat Earth

[FarewellAngelina]

Doesn't help at all I'm afraid .There is no flat earth map I'm aware of . Never heard of that chap .

The Gleason AE map is just the imaginary globe model transposed onto a flat piece of paper. I think ,for what it's worth , that the AE map maybe reasonably accurate for anything North of the tropic of Capricorn since locations around and above that area can be verified for position by celestial observation. Not at the extreme North or South though.

Using Magnetic compass in Polar Regions

Did they verify the latitude of their observations by real measurement of sun position by sextant or simple triangulation using shadow length?

If not then it's rather a pointless set of observations and certainly not a proof of anything except gullibility perhaps .

 

[luckyducky007]

Doesn't help at all I'm afraid .There is no flat earth map I'm aware of . Never heard of that chap .

You use the Crux/Southern cross for celestial navigation in the southern hemisphere, but regardless of that. On the working models the flat earth community have put forward as an explanation, that picture best describes the idea of the domed model and if the sun is contained inside then the 24hour sun in antarctica wouldn't happen in the way it does in the video. Basicly it shouldnt circle it in the same way it does in the south as it does in the north on the FE model. However it does, giving some solid evidence for the globe.

 

[FarewellAngelina]

You use the Crux/Southern cross for celestial navigation in the southern hemisphere, but regardless of that. On the working models the flat earth community have put forward as an explanation, that picture best describes the idea of the domed model and if the sun is contained inside then the 24hour sun in antarctica wouldn't happen in the way it does in the video. Basicly it shouldnt circle it in the same way it does in the south as it does in the north on the FE model. However it does, giving some solid evidence for the globe.

The point is you could not use the Crux to check your position at the supposed latitude if there was 24 hour sunlight.

The southern magnetic pole is at 64S 134E according to science thus a compass used south of the Antarctic circle would point north towards the South Pole - as Douglas Mawson found on Shackletons early 20th C Antarctic expedition.

Why should the sun not be visible on a flat earth? The presumption that Gleason's map represents a flat earth model is fallacy. As far as I can tell there is no true map of southern climes based on celestial navigation below the Antarctic circle.

The measurement of angle to the sun by triangulation or sextant needs to be done or the claim of observation of 24hr sun could not be justified.

Is there a website where you got that picture from?

 

[reverendALC]

@luckyducky007 if the midnight/24hr sun is accepted as definitive proof (it’s just another thing we’ve been shown/told but not observed ourselves) then yes it does truly support the globe earth. however that also relies on the acceptance of the sun being a star which our globe is orbiting around.

for argument’s sake; if the sun is something else it may behave in an entirely different way than we expect a star would on a globe earth, light rays and all.

no matter what we choose to believe, it’s based upon our own assumptions and the assertions of others. If we zoom out on the situation and look subjectively rather than objectively at the assertions and assumptions, we might see a different picture.

We (at least on this forum) desire knowledge and truth. Any assumptions we make are based upon our observations, facts we believe, and sources we trust. These assumptions are formed to fulfill our understanding of our world, tying together and reinforcing what we already believe. I trust myself, not to always be right, but to always have my best interest in mind.

the general scientific consensus however, I do not trust. They’ve sold me whopper after whopper, mRNA shots for Covid, banned raw milk while signing off on thousands of carcinogens, hormone disruptors, heavy metals, etc… they’ve told me that boys can be girls and boys can have babies, that we could go to the moon in a tin foil monstrosity 60 years ago but can’t now. They’ve told us so many lies and half-truths that everything is tainted to me now.

 

[LittleSeasonSaint]

It would be much simpler to just believe and accept what God says. Why oh why do people want to seek Socarates or NASA or so called scientists for their words and theories, they a God haters.


Matthew 4:8 (KJV) Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
All the kingdoms of the world from one mountain, only possible on a flat earth.

Ball spinners are god rejecting reprobates.

 

[luckyducky007]

@reverendALC But if it is recorded by both modern science plus those in the FE community and even admitting to what they're seeing with their own eyes, than by that logic it would give that proof so many are after. If you are needing to go there for your own conformation than feel free imo, be a fantastic experience. However it doesn't take away from what was found out recently or science knowing it for 2000 years prior.

Ill agree that there has been some questionable science that's happened in recent years. But certainly not all of it is, there has been some fantastic advancements as well that everyone here uses, computers/internet etc all part of those sciences.

@LittleSeasonSaint - I don't feel misrepresenting the bible to hold up the flat earth argument especially using jesus in the wilderness where he was being tempted by the great Deciever/Satan. So are you are believing the temptation of the devil where the lord did not and rebuked him instead?

 

[LittleSeasonSaint]

@reverendALC But if it is recorded by both modern science plus those in the FE community and even admitting to what they're seeing with their own eyes, than by that logic it would give that proof so many are after. If you are needing to go there for your own conformation than feel free imo, be a fantastic experience. However it doesn't take away from what was found out recently or science knowing it for 2000 years prior.

Ill agree that there has been some questionable science that's happened in recent years. But certainly not all of it is, there has been some fantastic advancements as well that everyone here uses, computers/internet etc all part of those sciences.

@LittleSeasonSaint - I don't feel misrepresenting the bible to hold up the flat earth argument especially using jesus in the wilderness where he was being tempted by the great Deciever/Satan. So are you are believing the temptation of the devil where the lord did not and rebuked him instead?

Misrepresenting the Bible ? I think the problem is Ball spinners are God rejecting reprobates.

 

[LittleSeasonSaint]

@reverendALC But if it is recorded by both modern science plus those in the FE community and even admitting to what they're seeing with their own eyes, than by that logic it would give that proof so many are after. If you are needing to go there for your own conformation than feel free imo, be a fantastic experience. However it doesn't take away from what was found out recently or science knowing it for 2000 years prior.

Ill agree that there has been some questionable science that's happened in recent years. But certainly not all of it is, there has been some fantastic advancements as well that everyone here uses, computers/internet etc all part of those sciences.

@LittleSeasonSaint - I don't feel misrepresenting the bible to hold up the flat earth argument especially using jesus in the wilderness where he was being tempted by the great Deciever/Satan. So are you are believing the temptation of the devil where the lord did not and rebuked him instead?

See you reject the Bible , Jesus did rebuke him.

Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

 

[luckyducky007]

See you reject the Bible , Jesus did rebuke him.

Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Could we refrain from responding out of emotion and adding personal attacks?

I said the lord did not believe the lie, and rebuked Satan. I don't quite see how you misread what i wrote?

I feel its a misrepresentation of the text as you are taking satan's temptation to jesus as a matter of fact for the shape of the earth ignoring that he is the king of lies.

 

[LittleSeasonSaint]

Could we refrain from responding out of emotion and adding personal attacks?

I said the lord did not believe the lie, and rebuked Satan. I don't quite see how you misread what i wrote?

I feel it’s esus didn’t rebuke the a misrepresentation of the text as you are taking satan's temptation to jesus as a matter of fact for the shape of the earth ignoring that he is the king of lies.

Jesus didn’t rebuke the devil about being able to see ALL the kingdoms of the earth from an EXCEEDING high mountain . That was just the truth.

Spinning ballers seek the words of heathen philosophers , and NASA and reject God.
i will shut up we all can see this problem now.

 

[grav]

Can we please keep our religious feelings out of the thread?
because whose Bible is the right one to believe?
The Old Testament, especially Genesis, can also be read in a non-supernatural context.
Other belief systems agree with the "Hebrew" cosmology of a domed plane of existence.




The Norse Yggdrassil tree, the Egyptian goddess holding up the sky, the Mayan pyramid.
In some of the models, like the Norse tree trunk extending below the flat surface, we see an underworld sending "up" energy in a way that resembles the Black Sun emanating a hologram projection.

My own preferences, for that last model, stem from my own background as a student and teacher of English literature.
Poets and philosophers replaced science in my first year of college. Friends strongly advised my taking Astronomy when I was already rebelling against the Atom theory, especially that #×÷* empty space between the election shell and nucleus.

Plato's cave dwellers, Shakespeare's poor player strutting around on a stage, Huck Finn pondering the stars, and many other fictional characters -- now those critical thinkers got my attention.
Would I bet the farm on the digital reality? If I had a farm?
No. But until a new and improved model of the physical world comes along, it's my best guess for that which we call reality.

 

[luckyducky007]

@grav Working off your background, how is it you would take on the ideas of specific cultures that had the belief it was flat in their own ways based more off belief/faith than evidence, over that of Aristotle amongst others for instance? As well as further investigation undertaken by later philosophers/scientists and mathematicians with replicable tests to prove their arguments?

Not a dig, genuine curiosity here as you may have information i've overlooked.

 

[reverendALC]

I think that everybody’s religious beliefs are valid, none more than any other. Religious beliefs include blind-faith-adherence to sCiEnCe. What I don’t like is the “I’m right, my faith is right, everybody else is wrong and bad”.

we all may hold a portion of the truth between our various faiths with no single ideology having the whole truth. Discussing, even debating the difference is healthy, but condescending upon those with different beliefs isn’t. We should all recognize that we’re on the same side, in search of the same truth, which in this instance is the shape/nature of our realm.

“because God said so” isn’t irrefutable proof to anybody who doesn’t subscribe to said version of God or said version of His word. If God said it and it’s true, then there should be observable proofs to share, observable illusions to explain away, etc. it is anybody’s right to accept His word as the proof they need, and it’s others’ right to desire more.

perhaps a running list of observations which support non-globe and a list of observations which support globe could created, and then systematically addressed.

 

[LittleSeasonSaint]

We have eleven verses in the Quran that describe the earth as flat like a rug, carpet, bed, and spread. But not one single verse suggests the earth is Spherical or round — very easy words found in Arabic. The verses are Quran [2:22], [15:19], [20:53], [43:10], [50:7], [51:48], [71:19], [78:6–7], [79:30], [88:20], [91:6]. To name a few all backed by Hadith the confirms Muhammad truly believed the earth is flat.

christianity with dozens of verses proclaiming a flat earth , and muslim two opposed views yet both agree on a flat earth .

the spinning ballers seek the truth , Lol

 

[Seiya]

I continue waiting the Earth photography take from space.
I don't want CGI, I don't want composition, I don't want spectrum, I don't want 3D render, I don't want calculation, I don't want want Quran.

We can elegie send car into space, so it's not hard take a photography If we've already sent a car into space, taking a picture

 

[reverendALC]

I continue waiting the Earth photography take from space.
I don't want CGI, I don't want composition, I don't want spectrum, I don't want 3D render, I don't want calculation, I don't want want Quran.

We can elegie send car into space, so it's not hard take a photography If we've already sent a car into space, taking a picture

this a HUGE sticking point for me. Sure, for scientific purposes, use all different kinds of imaging. Form whichever composites you need to visualize or represent whatever data you want or need to. That’s great, but that doesn’t mean “don’t take any real photos at all”. Why would it? Nonsense.

I saw a fantastic meme not too long ago… showing a blonde lady. It said “woman goes on vacation, takes hundreds of pictures. NASA goes to outer space and takes none.”

that does a great job of highlighting the absurdity of it all.

when my parents desire pictures of my children, my first thought isn’t to take tons of tiny photos with grayscale layers of each color, patch them together and composite them over each other, then use photoshop to make them look how I want them to. I just take the damned picture.

 

[alltheleaves]

...in Antarctica, However as observed by science long ago and the FE community recently when they went there that is not true

The jeranism antarctica video has been debunked.

Guys standing around wearing sunglasses, with no proof where they were. Lazy.

 

[Neo-Geo]

From 10 years ago, artist's 30m creation of blue marble using Photoshop.



Compared to erf's provided by gov space agencies:

 

[reverendALC]

Yes utter shite it would seem. One interesting thing I just noticed, seeing all of those “erfs” side by side:

everybody but the USA has taken their “photo” from the equator.



Obviously the USA is the center of the world so N America is front and center of our rendition.

I wonder, considering geosynchronous, geostationary, and semi-synchronous orbits… is the source satellite information available to cross reference with the provided photos?

EDIT TO ADD: isn’t the earth some sort of oblate spheroid anyway?

EDIT AGAIN: also, what the hell is orbit if the earth isn’t a ball?

 

[Akanah]

Just because the Bible claims that the earth is flat or spherical does not mean that it has anything to do with the shape of our earth. After reading "The Saturn Myth" by David N. Talbott, I learned that most of the religious texts did not refer to our planet at all, but to the planet Saturn, which was seen as initially flat and later spherical in the sky.

I think that even Genesis in the Bible refers to the creation of Saturn and not to the creation of our Earth. Since the planet god Saturn is seen as non-living nowadays, modern people needed something to project their idea of a flat or spherical land onto and therefore took the place we live on. But this place here is neither flat nor spherical.

The idea of the tree Yggdrassil or the world pillar that holds up a sphere or sun is also an idea that has something to do with the planet god Saturn and not with our earth.

Unfortunately, David N. Talbott did not realize that the planet god Saturn was not a gas planet with a rocky ring, but a giant species that lived on Earth and whose flat shape corresponded to an embryonic germinal disc and whose spherical shape corresponded to a curved embryo in a world egg.

The planet god Saturn always went through a cycle from flat, to spherical, to the serpentine feathered comet that then crashed to Earth to bring the Flood. Our Earth also has a living form, but it does not go through cycles like Saturn, because it grows much more slowly and I suspect that our Earth itself will be triggered by Saturn's re-incarnation to grow when the time is right.