Also, it really depends on how one sees this simulation as far as what is or isn't possible.
Teotihuacan Mayan temple complex from above and circuit board....hmmm
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Sr. you made a post containing information and a statement in a forum, and I questioned you about the evidence supporting it. That's the function of a forum. You don’t have to answer anything.
If you disagree with something I had said, simply present evidence or facts. But there we go, playing the victim card.
There is no personal attack, as personal attack meaning "An abusive remark about a person, without supporting evidence."
Because this is something that is always present in "Flat Earth," affecting the development of our understanding of our world, with distractions and conflicts I will point this out every time I identify it.
This is done by Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP) It uses basic principles of communication techniques to bring change in thinking and behavior. I am writing about the NLP in this thread to everyone who seeks to learn, seeks to the truth of our history. If we don't have an understanding about NLP at least the basics, we will never even get close to the truth, and instead we will go from one rabbit hole to another.
The use of term “Let me get this straight” is not used to confirm understanding of what was said, but rather to rewrite/ Reframing what was originally said/written while retaining key words but changing the meaning. When the meaning changes, responses and behaviors will also change.
Since technology no longer guarantees that people will believe the deception, the solution is to redirect those who are beginning to see the truth to another form of deception. Using something familiar and present in everyone's lives, but which the vast majority of people don't know how it works or only have minimal knowledge of. Computer are the best way to go.
So now you leave Infinite Space where your existence is irrelevant for Simulation Projection which is also infinite and your existence is irrelevant with the additional psychological element "you are a victim, because you are trapped in this "planet prison" or Holographic world.
Now guess what's used in Neuro-linguistic programming modeling? Mathematics and holography. Which is nothing more than words, numbers, and illusions combined AKA spell, MAGIC but in this case witchcraft
If you want to know more about Neuro-linguistic programming looking for Richard Bandler. Is Richard Bandler a "the chosen ones”? Yes or Yes. Of course he is. The first time Neuro-linguistic programming appeared of in Richard Bandler and John Grinder's book The Structure of Magic I (1975).
I wrote this post not as a response or justification to @grav , he continues to distort what I said, and will continue to do so. That's how it is. I wrote to share with everyone who is unaware of this important aspect that is being camouflaged, preventing those who seek to understand and learn about Flat Earth and the truth about our world from doing so. I'm not teaching, I'm sharing essential information that I learned thanks to someone who did the same. Only together do we learn and improve. And together doesn't mean the cartoonish idea of "loving everyone, everyone is my brother."
I found this the best explanation (as I’m not good in explain)
What logical fallacy is this kind of deflection? On the surface, it's not targeted at a person, so it's not really an ad hominem argument. It seems to target the person's argument itself, so it's not a strawman argument either. What it only does is to mischaracterize a valid criticism and deems its tone or framing "mean," "snide," "rude," "personal," or "disrespectful," therefore worthy of dismissal.
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Thanks for posting that.
RichieFromBoston showed this "coincidence" in his latest video, which also touches on star forts, antiquitech, and alternative history in general.
View: https://youtu.be/aJsSqZwdqrQ?si=9w6m75kJRJqtOhRs
RFB also discusses pyramids around the world, which were possibly/likely data centers and free energy generators.
While I don't agree with Richie's religion, I find his investigations to be the best overall analyses on the internet.
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View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rTmo0AhKPkc&t=200s
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Michelle Gibeon discusses Old World infrastructure, railroads, and the ongoing destruction of important clues to our past.
and the FE science that I have a hard time understanding.
So far, I'm still stuck in a simulation theory which has earth as a computer circuit board and a hemispheric projection screen.
And then we have ley lines, which are possibly free energy hotspots. or cymatic sound waves?
Ashlee Webster fell off my Youtube subscriptions for some reason, and I need to see if she has any explanations for who created this digital diorama and who destroys it on a regular basis. Tartarians? Eric Dubay might say it's the Atlanteans.
Grav I just saw this on reddit somewhere and thought it was worth contemplating
"About 5 years ago, I found myself clinically dead for 25 minutes after a series of unfortunate events. I had an NDE and I logged out of the server. That event and subsequent events have completely changed how I perceive what we call reality. This is I believe it works.
When you dream at night, you enter a private simulation running on your own neural hardware. You generate the physics, the characters, the environment, and the narrative. When you wake up, the entire dream collapses, not because it has ended, but because you stopped powering it. There is no other observer to maintain the simulation once you withdraw your attention. It is a single player instance.
Waking reality is different. It persists even when you sleep because billions of other minds stay logged in. They continue generating data, attention, interaction, and belief. Their participation keeps the simulation running even when you temporarily disconnect. In the morning you simply log back into a multiplayer server that never shut down while you were gone. This is why waking life appears continuous and stable while individual dreams do not. It is not more real. It simply has more active clients.
The waking world functions like a massive distributed simulation. Every participant contributes processing power through their nervous system and perception. That collective reinforcement creates consistency. Gravity works the same for everyone because everyone has agreed it does. Laws of physics feel fixed because billions of minds project them at once. The simulation is stabilized through consensus.
This is also why individual enlightenment or personal awakening does not collapse the entire world. If one player realizes it is a simulation and stops believing in it, the world continues because everyone else is still logged in and generating it. Their attention provides the bandwidth. Their belief keeps the rulebook running. One awakened user does not end the game, they simply stop taking it seriously. They cannot despawn the map because the others still think it is real.
The simulation will only end when the last participant wakes up or logs out. As long as even one mind continues to project the rules of the system, the simulation persists. It is exactly like a multiplayer server that cannot shut down as long as one active user remains connected. The structure of the environment is maintained by the presence of the remaining players.
This framework also explains why psychedelics, deep meditation, sensory deprivation, or near death experiences can destabilize the simulation from your perspective. They temporarily interrupt the rendering pipeline. The brain stops feeding predictable data into the perceptual engine, and alternative modes of input appear. You lift your face away from the screen and notice that the textures are not fundamental. They are software. Put enough attention on a different state of consciousness and the old model dissolves.
But the moment you re-enter ordinary sensory input, you sync back to the shared phase space. You reload the same avatars, the same narrative, the same physics, the same economic systems. You are not returning to reality. You are returning to the dominant server.
The most unsettling part is that everyone is continually gaslighting themselves into believing the simulation is real because everyone else does. Collective belief becomes the scaffolding. Social proof becomes the gravity field. The simulation persists because players cannot agree to stop playing. Not because it is objectively true, but because it is massively co-authored.
Understanding this is not depressing. It is freeing. It means you are not trapped in a hostile universe. You are temporarily logged into a shared construct. There are ways to loosen your attachment to it. Meditation, breathwork, non ordinary states, even humor. Anything that interrupts the seriousness with which you invest in the game weakens the illusion. The simulation does not collapse because you laugh, but you stop mistaking the glitch for reality. The more you detach from the drama of the environment, the more you turn from a character into an observer. Eventually the observer realizes they are not the avatar at all. They are the player."
Having read through Nick Kollerstrom's book, "The Dark Side of Isaac Newton - Science's Greatest Fraud" , I can only agree with your childhood conclusion Grav.
Gottfried Leibnitz,1646-1716, the greatest philosopher of that era was in opposition to the Newtonian views of our realm. He view was that there is nothing sterile in the universe . He stressed that "there was a life and perception animating all things - nothing fallow, sterile or dead in the universe".
This I agree with and of course he had to be sidelined by the mainstream idiocracy .
Newton took his BA exam in 1665 - he stood to be a Scholar of of Trinity house at Cambridge but " Dr Barrow examined him in Euclid which he knew so little of" - quotes from the appendices of the book. He failed the exam, lost his nine groats and left in disgrace.
Took a long time to read through the book , could have saved much time if I'd started with the appendices on p254, but overall a real eyeopener.
Newton is in the same class as Einstein , fail all exams and be elevated to stardom.
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freeing? Well, if you say so. Heretics and free-thinkers know that it's a tough row to hoe in the Garden of Evil.
because not only do I think the collective consciousness is a Matrix simulation, I'm pretty darn sure that Saturn (aka Satan) operates the system.
Now and then, I open my big mouth and utter blashemy -- flat earth, germ theory skepticism, the whole history hoax, other crazy conspiracy theories. Even when I keep my opinions as short and sweet as possible, the BS believers quickly let me know that they don't want to hear it.
. Gravity is a force, just because ___ ?
. Newton was a ___? scientist? cookie?
. what does e=mc^2 mean?
. Nasa put men on the moon 6 (six) times between 1969 and 1972. But now, Nasa contracted out space missions to SpaceX and our good friends, Russia and China, and none of them can fly higher than the ISS. Why not ?
Just ask your average sheeple to explain such ideas and what will you hear?
The funny thing, seriously, is that our clueless friends and family don't understand the very science or other dogmas they embrace. The Control System (that carries out what you call the mainstream idiocracy) knows very well how to make sure the sleeper will never awaken. I call our " species" Homo ignoranus, a bio-engineered creature whose pineal gland was disrupted by other beings who needed a race of slaves to do their dirty work.
David Icke calls us dumb, drugged, and docile.
And another free thinker who lived between 1856 - 1950, said this.
To clarify: I didn't say these things, but thought it was a cool angle re a simulation. I agree with you, freeing? Maybe, maybe not.
I don't agree with the presupposition concerning the reasons things are the way they are; I don't think we are anything more or less than pawns in someone else's game. Grist for a mill. The very hidden and deceptive nature of all of this says to me that whomever is really behind it isn't powerful or advanced, just clever. If you are more powerful than your slaves, you would wield that power openly wouldn't you?
Edit- that's a really great quote by GBS...
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View: https://youtu.be/1s6n7j-vC2s
I don't really understand the terminology and techniques he uses, but the results are shocking.
View: https://youtu.be/owB0OvTg-ak
View: https://youtu.be/1s6n7j-vC2s
I don't really understand the terminology and techniques he uses, but the results are shocking.
View: https://youtu.be/owB0OvTg-ak
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Part 1 of 2 speculations about the simulation projection
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Nikola Tesla said — 'If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration.'
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The Bible says --
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
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This video from 9 years ago shows that stars are lights
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AJJ_z6pwUrE
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All these things are possible in a computer program.
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Nikola Tesla said — 'If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration.'
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The Bible says --
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
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This video from 9 years ago shows that stars are lights
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AJJ_z6pwUrE
~15:00
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All these things are possible in a computer program.
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Printed circuit boards can be round?
We need a new TRON movie to go there.
A computer programmer emanates a projection, which we might call the aether.
He then applies sound waves (cymatics) to form shapes, including a plane surface accretion disk.
Round PCBs, aka motherboards, form inside the plane. Fractals of the overall "infinite" plane, they might also be called planettes.
Circuits within individual motherboards power each planette.
In the Flat Earth model, these circuits would be ley lines which power the whole motherboard/Mother Earth.
The projection above the planette create cymatic lights, not forms. Ancient myths called it Father Sky.
But , wait . What we call forms are not real, are they?
Plato called them shadows.
This is a limited hangout. Why would this person use actual telescope imagery showing why the landing site was faked in a studio while purportedly showing the remains of the lunar module on the ‘actual moon’. All fake and all for nefarious purposes. If you accept the obvious fact that the moon landing was faked there is nothing of this fake landing left on the moon or am I missing something?
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I think he was being facetious, or using the LEM as the spot from which measured the distance to the "hills" to be 200 feet.
My bigger question is - Why are more FE researchers not doing more exposures like this one, which I had seen before?
Where, for example, are videos, articles, memes, and other materials which explore the stars in the dome? ley lines on the infinite plane? free energy? sim world theory, etc.?
Flat Earth came out of nowhere around 2015, whcn Eric Dubay stirred up a whirlwind of interest in geocentrism and Nasa faking space for "nefarious" purposes.
There are probably fewer people in FE Research and Development now than there were then.
I could be wrong; maybe I'm just tired of DITRH and others reinventing the wheel. We're not progressing, just stuck in a flat rut.
I appreciate J Tolen and anyone else who looks at new angles at the whole fake science industry.
And another thing. 1972 was the last manned mission to the moon. 53 years ago. And now, Nasa and the other space scam agencies can't? And the people of Planette Earth accept that hornswoggle? 53 years.
because they have been distracted with other shiny spinning balls: wars, drugs, wars on drugs, Covid, politics.and sports.
Fake history has also aided and abetted the agenda to keep humans ignorant and obedient.
He clearly wasn’t being ‘facetious’. I agree that more science might help the FE model but most people who believe in a spinning ball are not going to look at alternative theories because they have all been so deeply brainwashed, as we all were till someone or something woke us up. That waking up works best in my opinion by asking questions about the globe model. The brainwashed majority have never absorbed the nonsense buried within the stats. A few questions can quickly ascertain that their model is based on a very shaky grasp of how fast we’re rotating / moving through space etc. But quite honestly I no longer care what the majority believe. I have to continue to live in a deluded world and I’ll just carry on with my thoughts and beliefs and leave them to theirs just like existing in a world full of religions I don’t follow. The waking up will be so upsetting and frankly terrifying for most people that I’d rather it was a very slow removal of the band-aid or no removal at all. I’m more concerned that they realise they’ve been lied to by the authorities on a lot of less traumatic issues first.
In regards to this Grav, my personal suspicion is that this is a function of how the internet works now. The whole dead internet thing, and how the web is not only thoroughly gatekept (YouTube won't post real things etc) but obviously 'scrubbed' continuously. So, I don't necessarily think it's for lack of people working on this.
The programming runs deep. And it starts on day one and continues our whole life. Combine that with the reality that people just don't think much. Of course it's intentional. In the US, it's shocking to me how incredibly uneducated our kids are; school is part of the programming. Kids here can't write in cursive. The average reading level is ridiculous. Phones and now chatgpt are their parents. Cellphones seem to me to have been the ultimate trojan horse. Kudos to the bad guys.
This last bit totally makes me laugh, it's such an MO. It reminds me of Tom Wolfe in From Bauhaus to Our House. He basically calls out the famous! Important! Lame! Architects for not having any real body of work, save for a few examples one of which is a house for their moms.
We should make some sarcastic pantheon of these fools. The architects that built the canals and Seattle and the asylums but who have no real background or training or verifiable history. The scientists, as mentioned above as well as the newer crop- Sagan, Tyson, hell Bill Nye the science guy.
This modus of theirs makes me think of how one guy does like 50 percent of Wikipedia articles. It also makes me see all of this stolen history as only really being possible in a virtual reality done by AI that the evil ones have used from day one. There is just to much data to coordinate for it to be pulled off by people. And in a funny way, I think these guys are sort of an AI 'tell' so to speak. The way messed up hands are an AI tell, I think ridiculous characters used to play a part are an AI tell as well. Sort of like "nice try, you had me up until I saw the hands..."
Yesterday I had 10 minutes of crystal-clear skies outside London; we could see all the stars, But they were overshadowed by the brightness of the full moon. The moonlight was so intense, so bright, that it created a kind of red "halo."
Analysing recent and past photos of the full moon that I took, one of the things I did was overlay them to see if they matched. That's when I suddenly saw the moon in a different way , as I had never seen it before.
The moon is a convex image; I have no doubt about that. As soon as I have time I will research this area more because I'm dumb in this field.
Here are some photos of the moon that I took.
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Analysing recent and past photos of the full moon that I took, one of the things I did was overlay them to see if they matched. That's when I suddenly saw the moon in a different way , as I had never seen it before.
The moon is a convex image; I have no doubt about that. As soon as I have time I will research this area more because I'm dumb in this field.
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Have you watched Stergios Vibes of Cosmos? The moon as an inverted map of the extended plane - a mirror image on a plasma flat (or convex?) translucent disc. All measurements meticulously catalogued. Ingenious which is the closest I’ve come to true.
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Yesterday I complained about the lack of investigation by flat earthers.
That's not quite true, but at this point, there's no need to keep repeating experiments to reveal the stationary irregular plane.
The sky is our problem. Amateur (and a few Nasa-SpaceX) rockets at least show us that the Karman line is the impenetrable first dome. 60 to 70 miles up. Much improved lenses have also become available to inspect the moon and other objects.
And while a lot of FEers dont take myths seriously, I do. Ancient accounts do agree that at one time in mankind's history, the sky was much lower. In fact, the Greek god Atlas (who is in the news lately) was assigned the job to hold up the heavens.
Again, in simulation theory and world age resets, these things are possible.
Two new videos explore the idea that the night sky is an illusion. maybe a projection within a projection?
This first video is a short YT video by Crrow777. He says the lunar wave is not the only light-bending phenomenon that he and 30 or so other people have photographed. The wiggly line that moves up or down has also been observed on Jupiter, Saturn, and the sun.
View: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/ix4rBQXqV1E
Nos Confunden also reckons that the lights in the sky are some kind of projection. He also says that other worlds, which I call planettes, do not have stars in their night skies.
I have a lot of problems with his work. Some images are misleading and/or AI. He claims to have traveled to and beyond Antarctica with help from tall Nordic humanoids who gave him maps of the worlds outside the ice walls. He says that "custodians" or Anunnaki have been altering our climate to suit their ability to survive here. Chemtrails for climate change, maybe?
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bNTbUJQfE3k
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My guesses......Zecharia Sitchin wrote about the Anunnaki as the builders of the Old World, which btw they just about destroyed in their wars with unstoppable energy weapons. They abandoned this earth colony about ~100 years ago. or did they? Are they geo-engineering the Schumann Resonance or other electromagnetic/chemical systems to prevent their premature aging, as Sitchin postulated?
no telling. Listen to all voices. Trust no one. Some are pretty much factual. Others may be deceptive or misguided.
I just find it hard to believe that humans, on their own, came up with all the fake science that make the sheeple think they live on a spinning ball in a vacuum.
I have serious doubts, for example, that Shakespeare wrote Hamlet. But someone did.
“There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”
That's not quite true, but at this point, there's no need to keep repeating experiments to reveal the stationary irregular plane.
The sky is our problem. Amateur (and a few Nasa-SpaceX) rockets at least show us that the Karman line is the impenetrable first dome. 60 to 70 miles up. Much improved lenses have also become available to inspect the moon and other objects.
And while a lot of FEers dont take myths seriously, I do. Ancient accounts do agree that at one time in mankind's history, the sky was much lower. In fact, the Greek god Atlas (who is in the news lately) was assigned the job to hold up the heavens.
Again, in simulation theory and world age resets, these things are possible.
Two new videos explore the idea that the night sky is an illusion. maybe a projection within a projection?
This first video is a short YT video by Crrow777. He says the lunar wave is not the only light-bending phenomenon that he and 30 or so other people have photographed. The wiggly line that moves up or down has also been observed on Jupiter, Saturn, and the sun.
View: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/ix4rBQXqV1E
Nos Confunden also reckons that the lights in the sky are some kind of projection. He also says that other worlds, which I call planettes, do not have stars in their night skies.
I have a lot of problems with his work. Some images are misleading and/or AI. He claims to have traveled to and beyond Antarctica with help from tall Nordic humanoids who gave him maps of the worlds outside the ice walls. He says that "custodians" or Anunnaki have been altering our climate to suit their ability to survive here. Chemtrails for climate change, maybe?
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bNTbUJQfE3k
6:24
My guesses......Zecharia Sitchin wrote about the Anunnaki as the builders of the Old World, which btw they just about destroyed in their wars with unstoppable energy weapons. They abandoned this earth colony about ~100 years ago. or did they? Are they geo-engineering the Schumann Resonance or other electromagnetic/chemical systems to prevent their premature aging, as Sitchin postulated?
no telling. Listen to all voices. Trust no one. Some are pretty much factual. Others may be deceptive or misguided.
I just find it hard to believe that humans, on their own, came up with all the fake science that make the sheeple think they live on a spinning ball in a vacuum.
I have serious doubts, for example, that Shakespeare wrote Hamlet. But someone did.
“There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”
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Where are you? here?
or none of the above?
I reckon the first two are closer to the truth than the whirlpool model of the Body Scientific.
Gnostic writings speak of advanced being called aeons who created our reality.
I see them as the immature doofuses on The Big Bang Theory tv show. Movies have explored this sim world idea for many years -- Tron, Avatar, The Matrix
It's not really fake. It's ? digital. or aetheric? real in the sense that physical objects exist in dimensions that are invisible to us.
The computer code, in my Unified Theory of Everything, wrote a script for a torus projection with a flat accretion disk with domed worlds.
Our earth has 7 domes, +/-.
This site says there are 9. And Sophia/Gaia/MotherEarth created them. Other gnostic sources claim, maybe, 2ho knows, that the Creator was a different aeon/programmer. Uranus/Father Sky?
Gnosis Part 7: Creation of the Archons and the Different Heavens
The Nine Heavens
In simple terms, when Pistis Sophia “cast away” her Creation, while still completely residing within the Pleroma, we can perhaps picture this as her Creation descending through dimensions and densities. The further down into the abyss her Creation descended, the more solid it became. This outward movement on Sophia’s part might explain what scientists call “the expanding universe” and the “Red Shift.”
When Sophia noticed what she had done, she separated the waters of the Pleroma from the cosmic waters of her emanation and thus created the first firmament. There was now a veil between the Pleroma and the Kenoma. Parts of Pistis Sophia got trapped in her own creation because everything that she created was a part of her Spirit. In order to move around within her creation, she created a soul/energy body, which her Spirit inhabited. This descended part of Sophia is called Zoë Sophia in the Gnostic texts. In the WPP, she is called the Queen of Orion.
or none of the above?
I reckon the first two are closer to the truth than the whirlpool model of the Body Scientific.
Gnostic writings speak of advanced being called aeons who created our reality.
I see them as the immature doofuses on The Big Bang Theory tv show. Movies have explored this sim world idea for many years -- Tron, Avatar, The Matrix
It's not really fake. It's ? digital. or aetheric? real in the sense that physical objects exist in dimensions that are invisible to us.
The computer code, in my Unified Theory of Everything, wrote a script for a torus projection with a flat accretion disk with domed worlds.
Our earth has 7 domes, +/-.
This site says there are 9. And Sophia/Gaia/MotherEarth created them. Other gnostic sources claim, maybe, 2ho knows, that the Creator was a different aeon/programmer. Uranus/Father Sky?
Gnosis Part 7: Creation of the Archons and the Different Heavens
The Nine Heavens
In simple terms, when Pistis Sophia “cast away” her Creation, while still completely residing within the Pleroma, we can perhaps picture this as her Creation descending through dimensions and densities. The further down into the abyss her Creation descended, the more solid it became. This outward movement on Sophia’s part might explain what scientists call “the expanding universe” and the “Red Shift.”
When Sophia noticed what she had done, she separated the waters of the Pleroma from the cosmic waters of her emanation and thus created the first firmament. There was now a veil between the Pleroma and the Kenoma. Parts of Pistis Sophia got trapped in her own creation because everything that she created was a part of her Spirit. In order to move around within her creation, she created a soul/energy body, which her Spirit inhabited. This descended part of Sophia is called Zoë Sophia in the Gnostic texts. In the WPP, she is called the Queen of Orion.
