Flat Earth

[Prolix]

I noticed Allan Weisbecker’s refutation of Flat Earth while I was reading his outing of Miles Mathis (one thing Mathis, Weisbecker, and Piece of Mindful do all seem to agree on is that Flat Earth is an easily refutable psyop, the latter even declaring it out of bounds for conversation as “flat earth is a mark of a spook”). I’ve no particular conviction either way, but I was curious about Weisbecker citing “dipping the light” as evidence of a globe (a means to calculate the geographical range of the observer to the beacon)

Helpfully, he doesn’t bother to then explain why this is the case (almost as valuable as his photos “proving” globe earth), but there’s an explanation of the principle here (the page is copy protected so I can’t quote it). I was wondering if you’d come across this argument, grav?

 

[grav]

was curious about Weisbecker citing “dipping the light” as evidence of a globe (a means to calculate the geographical range of the observer to the beacon)

Well, yes, lots of optical effects may alter our ability to see long range targets.
Observer eye height, atmospheric refraction, the vanishing point, miraging.
The dipping effect has to do with refraction, I expect.

But FE is neither a psyop nor an American invention.
We all started out as debunkers of geocentrism.
We all had to break our indoctrination which had us believing we live on a spinning ball in a vacuum.

Heliocentrism is a flagrant criminal agenda that violates all laws of physics which describe properties of liquid water, atmospheric gases, optics, etc.

Level has a strict definition: flat along a horizonal axis.
So the fake science authority would have us to believe that water seeks ifs own level by . . . . . curving around the spinning ball?

Supposedly, a force called gravity makes this happen.
Chicago is clearly visible from across Lake Michigan. At a distance of 50 miles, the tallest skyscrapers should be hidden by the curved hill of water.
Math (spherical trigonometry) predicts this result, but nope. Thar she blows!
The formula is easy to use. 8xdxd - - 8 inches times miles distance squared.

I am no genius, but even I could easily defeat a heliocentrist in debate.

 

[Lightseeker]

But FE is neither a psyop nor an American invention.

Flat Earth beliefs are basically what most ancient cultures believed to be truth. I wonder how an Aztec or a Mayan or an Egyptian or an Israelite would react like if you told them that Earth is a spherical rock traveling across space, rotating around the sun, in a galaxy that is one of trillions. They would all probably burst into laughter.

 

[matematik]

Now is the government faking evidence for all this and then covering it up or is one giant coverup is being done by making a group of people believe everything above their heads is fake.

Many "normies" believe in space aliens and give a lot of credence to such theories, even the mainstream media regularly promote alien theories. In contrast Flat Earth theories are ridiculed and considered crazy, and the mainstream media almost totally ignores it other than to occasionally ridicule it.

If Flat Earth is a government psyops to cover up space aliens it doesn't seem to be very effective because belief in space aliens seems to be more mainstream than ever.

 

[davtash]

hi stunned and need a better FE explanation please
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/mar/05/ship-hovering-above-sea-cornwall-optical-illusion

 

[Prolix]

hi stunned and need a better FE explanation please
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/mar/05/ship-hovering-above-sea-cornwall-optical-illusion

Definitely anti-grav tech.

 

[grav]

Niribu the Ninth Planet.
Moon and Mars bases
Moon and Mars alien bases
Mars ancient lost civilizations
Secret US space Fleet
Hollow Earth
Alien Abductions

Nibiru ? there is some evidence that a second sun exists. The theories of it being a dwarf sun or other celestial object are silly. More likely is another light effect in the dome itself.

moon and Mars bases or alien civilizations? Nasa psyops. I doubt that anyone here believes that solar system bs.

Space Fleet? maybe Nasa and its allies have technology like the UFOs that defy gravity. Density modification, maybe.

Hollow Earth? Why not? but how deep can the tunnels go? Again, doesn't depth affect human blood pressure, like deep sea divers? or does that compression only happen in water?

Alien abductions? possibly. So many of my earliest ct teachers (Sitchin, Velikovsky, Lloyd Pye, etc.) make better sense than the evolution theorists.
And I still have my ancient copy of The Naked Ape, by Desmond Morris. Our hairless bodies are poorly adapted to cope with most earthly climates. Not to mention our weak skeletal system and overall bad design. Bigfoot makes a lot better sense and has been reported on multiple continents. Was he our ancestor that the Anunnaki blended their dna with a few hundred or thousand years ago? I think so.

 

[grav]

According to some flat earth videos NASA is faking space to earn tax money, but isn't the discovery of space and a lot of things in space discovered before NASA.

Not sure who discovered space. Maybe Walt Disney.
Copernicus and Galileo had to mind their p's and q's when they came up with heliocentric notions. Excommunication -- and worse -- kept lots of other astronomers in line too. Tycho Brahe got a lunar crater named after him when he amended his views on stellar parallax. haha, little joke there.
Other craters were named after Jesuit astronomers.
The Vatican (freemasons) also "operate" a huge infrared telescope in Arizona. Its name is Lucifer.

 

[matematik]

hi stunned and need a better FE explanation please
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/mar/05/ship-hovering-above-sea-cornwall-optical-illusion

Apparently there's been three sightings of this in Britain in a week, in Cornwall, Devon and Aberdeenshire.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9332859/Why-ships-floating-sky-Britain.html

 

[grav]

hi stunned and need a better FE explanation please
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/mar/05/ship-hovering-above-sea-cornwall-optical-illusion

Apparently there's been three sightings of this in Britain in a week, in Cornwall, Devon and Aberdeenshire.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9332859/Why-ships-floating-sky-Britain.html

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-xezLezKhzo

 

[Knowncitizen]

hi stunned and need a better FE explanation please
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/mar/05/ship-hovering-above-sea-cornwall-optical-illusion

Definitely anti-grav tech.

Right, comical. The media uses light refraction as an explanation but why does the refraction not affect the water the ship is floating in? The sky is reflected in the water giving the appearance that the ship is in the sky. Not really that difficult and can be seen in the higher resolution versions of the picture. You can still see the horizon if you look carefully.
The reflection at that distance is only possible if not curved hence the bullshit explanation.

If you like flat earth topic you will enjoy this video series posted here:
https://stolenhistory.net/threads/video-series-what-on-earth-happened.4097/

 

[grav]

The sky is reflected in the water giving the appearance that the ship is in the sky. Not really that difficult and can be seen in the higher resolution versions of the picture. You can still see the horizon if you look carefully.
The reflection at that distance is only possible if not curved hence the bullshit explanation.

well explained. Plain text is always superior to videos, as written language can be transmitted precisely to enable study and debate.

It's a hard thing to do to open eyes. You can open your own lying eyes. But you can't force other people to look and think. Stanley Kubrick's last movie was Eyes Wide Shut. What a great title.

People in general (99.666% maybe) see what the Control System tells them to see.
They are clueless about the globe model. But they trust it.
All Nasa images are admitted cgi cartoons.

I found this new image today. No, it is not real. It is speculation. But it utilizes information that at least complies with laws of physics, optics, math.


This is a new image. Every bit as accurate as the official Planet Earth blue marble.

https://i.imgur.com/ac2esyx_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

 

[grav]

Nice map, I like how it runs counter to other flat earth ideas.

How so?
Beyond the icy wall, it's all guessing. I made a map years ago and put the Anunnaki's world Nibiru on it. This one has Atlantis and Lemuria outside the rim, which suggests a downsizing of our realm. And a smaller dome maybe.

 

[Skydog]

The sky is reflected in the water giving the appearance that the ship is in the sky. Not really that difficult and can be seen in the higher resolution versions of the picture. You can still see the horizon if you look carefully.
The reflection at that distance is only possible if not curved hence the bullshit explanation.

well explained. Plain text is always superior to videos, as written language can be transmitted precisely to enable study and debate.

It's a hard thing to do to open eyes. You can open your own lying eyes. But you can't force other people to look and think. Stanley Kubrick's last movie was Eyes Wide Shut. What a great title.

People in general (99.666% maybe) see what the Control System tells them to see.
They are clueless about the globe model. But they trust it.
All Nasa images are admitted cgi cartoons.

I found this new image today. No, it is not real. It is speculation. But it utilizes information that at least complies with laws of physics, optics, math.


This is a new image. Every bit as accurate as the official Planet Earth blue marble.

https://i.imgur.com/ac2esyx_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

The fact that I have never traveled below the northern hemisphere in our neck of the realm becomes all the more depressing. But I love these types of maps as they are probably closer to the truth than many other recent FE attempts.

It would also provide another explanation for the strict militarization zone around Antarctica and more or less be consistent with Admiral Byrd’s legendary comments about land beyond the South Pole.

 

[Jd755]

It would also provide another explanation for the strict militarization zone around Antarctica and more or less be consistent with Admiral Byrd’s legendary comments about land beyond the South Pole.

Have a read through all three pages here and visit the links and read through them. You might enjoy it.
https://stolenhistory.net/threads/the-making-of-antarctica.4057/

 

[grav]

Shouldn't air pressure in "outer space" be 0.00 in any meausrement?
0.00 Torr, 0.00 psi, etc.

The real question is: how does earth have air pressure at all?
All gas laws include mass, volume, and temperature as factors in equations.
Volume requires a specified space. A container, with a top lid.
A firmament.

 

[Sigian]

Supposedly, a force called gravity makes this happen.
Chicago is clearly visible from across Lake Michigan. At a distance of 50 miles, the tallest skyscrapers should be hidden by the curved hill of water.

Just curious, and an honest question, Chicago can be seen across Lake Michigan, is this being viewed from lake level? Or right across the surface of the water? Genuinely curious, I see a lot of people claim to see distances but only from a higher vantage point, never have seen this done at the actual ground level.

 

[Jd755]

A few images that reveal the geometry our vision uses. Taken earlier this morning.

The sea sitting above the hill. It isn't really but our vision makes it appear so.

Both bodies of water are dead level. The foreground body is a a reservoir the background is the sea yet our vision plays the same visual trick on us by making both bodies water appear to rise up. It doesn't it is dead level across its surface.

Grainy but you can clearly see the wind turbines shrinking as they run away from my point of view. The reality is they are all the same size but our vision is not built to allow us to see the truth.

Here you can clearly see the hill I am stood on falling away from me even though my vision is playing the same trick as in all of the other images the hill is easily recognisable as is the slag heap to the right. yet the sea appears to rise up until it disappears from my vision. It is dead level not rising, not curving.

Look at anything and its the same. Our vision distorts the reality of all that is. Including the sky, the passage o the luminaries etc.

 

[6079SmithW]

I was looking up air pressure on Earth and space. A number of Flat Earth video makers treat space is if it should have a negative value because they are misreading the numbers wrong.

Air pressure is measured in Pascals
At sea level air pressure it 1 Pascal written 10^0
In space air pressure is .0000000001322 or 10^-12

The negative in the number represents the number of zeroes and not a vacuum.

Scientific notation

This is wrong.

The rate of pressure is not important in any way.

The important thing is the *pressure differential* between earth air (14.7psi) and 'space!' (10-11th power tor).

The differential acts as a force in the second law of thermodynamics. In any given system all gasses will reach thermodynamic equilibrium

 

[grav]

2 topics above:

1. space vacuum
At the Karman line at 62 miles, air pressure is virtually nil. At sea level it is 14.7 psi.
This differential happens in a closed environment; otherwise, oxygen and nitrogen etc. would immediately dissipate into the alleged void of space. It is beyond absurd for physics teachers to say that a force called gravity could make this happen.
Clouds float, butterflies fly with no difficulty. Gravity is simply particle density.
Specific gravity is the ratio of densities of adjacent substances.
heavier-than-air, usually.

2. Chicago
Many people have photographed the Windy City from across the lake, usually on beaches where eye height was 5 or 6 feet.
Not only are tall skyscrapers visible, but so are structures close to the horizon, which is where all lines of convergence meet. The vanishing point in our eyesight.