France - Biblical Israel

[Gladius]

Thanks for the information. Actually, this removal took place because I reposted these videos. This thread is a kind of a retribution for that. Perhaps you remember any of the unique info from Nik himself?

There was a lot of info on Nik's. In regards to Biblical France, most of his points were the ones in the OP. He put much effort into analyzing location names, and biblical scenes that cannot take place in Palestine.

Sea of Galillee, for example, perhaps the most ridiculous site for the stories around it. It is literally a small lake, you can see the other side from the shore.

 

[Deleted member 1432]

2) were the branch of the original Gnostic Christianity

This is actually a misnomer as the terms 'Gnostic' and 'Christianity' are mutually exclusive:

Modern religionists and historians have been careful to divide the Old World Belief system into different regional or cultural groups and to describe them as either pagan heresies or early Christian sects. The labels we have today include Hibernia, Levantine, Samothrace, Mithraism, Brahmin, Phrygian, Egyptian, Osirian, Orphic, Druidic and Gnostic. However, they were really just different flavours of the same ideals adapted to different environments.

This is supported by evidence from the Nag Hammadi Library.

 

[theheir]

This is actually a misnomer as the terms 'Gnostic' and 'Christianity' are mutually exclusive:

I suppose it depends on whose dictionary one is using. If we take the word 'Gnosis' itself:

Gnosis refers to knowledge based on personal experience or perception. In a religious context, gnosis is mystical or esoteric knowledge based on direct participation with the divine.
Wikipedia

According to this definition, the word in itself doesn't contradict with Christianity and 'Gnostic Christianity' would be a precise description if the idea is 'Christianity based on direct participation with the divine through personal experience and perception'.

 

[Deleted member 1432]

I suppose it depends on whose dictionary one is using. If we take the word 'Gnosis' itself:

According to this definition, the word in itself doesn't contradict with Christianity and 'Gnostic Christianity' would be a precise description if the idea is 'Christianity based on direct participation with the divine through personal experience and perception'.

I wasn't referring to dictionary definitions or the official wikipedia type narrative. It's about disguising the pre-Christian belief system and its surviving remnants as 'Christian' heresies, when what was actually going on was an all out assault against them by Christianity. 'Gnostic Christianity' is a modern invention designed to obscure the genocide of the old world belief systems, such as took place in the Albigensian Crusade mentioned previously. It's the same old integrate and dominate trick which has always been the trademark of Christianity. The Gnostics were pre-Christian, they rejected Christianity and paid the price.

 

[theheir]

I wasn't referring to dictionary definitions..

I think it was obvious what you were saying. I don't wan to dive deeper into this discussion as it's irrelevant to the thread, but my point is that 'Gnostic Christianity' as I defined it is a real thing.. and perhaps the realest Christianity.

 

[trismegistus]

While I appreciate the distinction made above re: Gnosticism - we have plenty of other threads to discuss Gnosticism including but not limited to:

https://stolenhistory.net/threads/the-nature-of-the-beast-part-5-the-gnostics-archons-devas.3748/

Albigensian Crusade: The genocide of the Cathars

Tartaria - Paganism, the Destruction of Gnosticism, and the Real Missing Civilization: Cathay

Further discussions on Gnosticism should be continued elsewhere, with the focus of this thread on France being biblical Israel.

 

[Deleted member 1432]

I think it was obvious what you were saying. I don't wan to dive deeper into this discussion as it's irrelevant to the thread, but my point is that 'Gnostic Christianity' as I defined it is a real thing.. and perhaps the realest Christianity.

My comments were in response to what was termed the "original Gnostic Christianity," not some modern cult. Let's agree to disagree and leave it there.

 

[wild heretic]

Can I get a cliff notes version?

These are the heads of the Judean kings. They adorned the main cathedral of France, Notre Dame de Paris. At the time of the great French Revolution, they were knocked off the cathedral because the revolutionaries thought they were French monarchs. Who prompted it? Well, it's a riddle...
Today, these heads are in the Cluny Museum.

Notice how none of those kings look like modern "Jews". Not one of them, in the slightest.

 

[Sasyexa]

Can I get a cliff notes version?

The events of the New Testament happened in late medieval France and its surroundings

 

[wild heretic]

The events of the New Testament happened in late medieval France and its surroundings

I guessed that by the title.

I mean the bullet points of the evidence thereof. I managed to skim read the first bit and got:

• Modern Jerusalem was rebuilt at the earliest from mid-nineteenth century.
• No confirmed evidence of anything biblical found in and around Israel, or possible way to confirm anything like that.

Was Paris the city of Jerusalem or something?

 

[Sasyexa]

I guessed that by the title.

I mean the bullet points of the evidence thereof. I managed to skim read the first bit and got:

• Modern Jerusalem was rebuilt at the earliest from mid-nineteenth century.
• No confirmed evidence of anything biblical found in and around Israel, or possible way to confirm anything like that.

Was Paris the city of Jerusalem or something?

Yes.

• Paris is surrounded by cities bearing a similar name with biblical ones
• Jesuits established themselves on Montmartre (mountain of the martyr), when they were supposed to give oaths in Jerusalem or Rome. One Jesuit even said outright that this was the correct place.
• Templars (aka money-changers) also had a base there, Jacques de Molay was executed there too
• Remove 'h' from Pharisee and it starts to look awfully close to Parisian
• 80 year old Saint Helen travelling to Paris from Trier to stay and make excavations there makes much more sense than doing that with Palestine

This is just for Paris. I recommend reading the interview fully for more details

 

[wild heretic]

Yes.

• Paris is surrounded by cities bearing a similar name with biblical ones
• Jesuits established themselves on Montmartre (mountain of the martyr), when they were supposed to give oaths in Jerusalem or Rome. One Jesuit even said outright that this was the correct place.
• Templars (aka money-changers) also had a base there, Jacques de Molay was executed there too
• Remove 'h' from Pharisee and it starts to look awfully close to Parisian
• 80 year old Saint Helen travelling to Paris from Trier to stay and make excavations there makes much more sense than doing that with Palestine

This is just for Paris. I recommend reading the interview fully for more details

Thanks.

 

[Deleted member 1432]

Yes.

• Paris is surrounded by cities bearing a similar name with biblical ones
• Jesuits established themselves on Montmartre (mountain of the martyr), when they were supposed to give oaths in Jerusalem or Rome. One Jesuit even said outright that this was the correct place.
• Templars (aka money-changers) also had a base there, Jacques de Molay was executed there too
• Remove 'h' from Pharisee and it starts to look awfully close to Parisian
• 80 year old Saint Helen travelling to Paris from Trier to stay and make excavations there makes much more sense than doing that with Palestine

This is just for Paris. I recommend reading the interview fully for more details

Personally, I think the most important point is that the geography seems to match that as described in the NT in terms of distances and locations (though I haven't personally verified it.) The rest is speculation which for me doesn't work when you consider that Jewish history claims the Rhineland as their first northern European settlement as from the 10th to 11th centuries.

Also, the Jesuits were a crypto-Jewish organisation founded by a Spanish marrano Jew - Loyola - much much later. It's also too easy to fall into mainstream traps regarding the Templars, i.e. "money-changers." There was so much more to them, for example, what's significant about De Molay's execution wasn't the location, but why he was executed in the first place,.. imo.

As I've probably said before, for me this all points to a forgery created in the Paris/Normandy area in about 1000AD and then backdated by 1000 years.

 

[Blackdiamond]

Maybe i understand you wrong here, but isnt it quite obvious with this information in this thread that the NT was written in europe, recently? Ofcourse there never was a i0 jesus king/martyr whatever. Recycled stories in a new book forced on to you. Probably why we were not once taught about starforts, it ties in the same story of the takeover imo.

 

[Eheieh]

In the bible, the word translated as Persia is PRS, that is 𐤐𐤓𐤎 in Phoenician, and פרס in Hebrew. If you pronounce PRS without the rules and modifications of modern hebrew, in a Western European way, it would be PeReS. Which sounds a lot like Paris, obviously.
H6539 - pāras - Strong's Hebrew Lexicon (kjv)

In the biblical language, when a Y is added to the end of the name of a nation, it denotes the people who are the inhabitants that nation. So, the word for the people who dwell in PRS is PRSY, that is 𐤐𐤓𐤎𐤉 in Phoenician, and פרסי in Hebrew. Prounounce PRSY as PeReSY, and you get a word that sounds like Pharisee.
H6542 - parsî - Strong's Hebrew Lexicon (kjv)

The kingdom of PRS is an important part of the prophecy of the 4 kingdoms in Daniel- I haven't studied it in depth yet, so I will leave it for you to draw your own conclusions about it. Just keep in mind the word PRS translated as Persia in the translation is incorrect: read it as Paris instead

Bible Gateway passage: Daniel 8 - Young's Literal Translation

²⁰ `The ram that thou hast seen possessing two horns, [are] the kings of Media and Persia.

Bible Gateway passage: Daniel 11 - Young's Literal Translation
² and, now, truth I declare to thee, Lo, yet three kings are standing for Persia, and the fourth doth become far richer than all, and according to his strength by his riches he stirreth up the whole, with the kingdom of Javan.

 

[Deleted member 1432]

Maybe i understand you wrong here

To whom are you speaking?

If you pronounce PRS without the rules and modifications of modern hebrew, in a Western European way, it would be PeReS.

Actually no, it's simply "PRS" - the nearest sound would depend on the language of the speaker. In French they pronounce Paris as "Pareeee" with a silent S. In English the nearest would be be "pairs." or "pears", but then without vowels it's anybody's guess. Which Western European language calls Paris Peres?

Why do the Jews themselves claim that their first northern European settlement was in the 10th to 11th century in the Rhineland. Are you saying that they don't know their own history?

 

[Sasyexa]

In the bible, the word translated as Persia is PRS, that is 𐤐𐤓𐤎 in Phoenician, and פרס in Hebrew. If you pronounce PRS without the rules and modifications of modern hebrew, in a Western European way, it would be PeReS. Which sounds a lot like Paris, obviously.
H6539 - pāras - Strong's Hebrew Lexicon (kjv)

In the biblical language, when a Y is added to the end of the name of a nation, it denotes the people who are the inhabitants that nation. So, the word for the people who dwell in PRS is PRSY, that is 𐤐𐤓𐤎𐤉 in Phoenician, and פרסי in Hebrew. Prounounce PRSY as PeReSY, and you get a word that sounds like Pharisee.
H6542 - parsî - Strong's Hebrew Lexicon (kjv)

The kingdom of PRS is an important part of the prophecy of the 4 kingdoms in Daniel- I haven't studied it in depth yet, so I will leave it for you to draw your own conclusions about it. Just keep in mind the word PRS translated as Persia in the translation is incorrect: read it as Paris instead

It could be Prussia, not Persia or Paris

 

[Gladius]

PRS can also be read as PARS, which means a region in old texts.
"Kingdom of PRS" could refer to an unnamed kingdom, a hypothetical one, or perhaps "that kingdom" that the reader is supposed to know about.

In example, today when one says
"The United States", we all know what it means. A person from the future, in a lets say post-new-reset one could say, "well, I know of many states which are united, then which one is it?"

 

[Deleted member 37]

I think Israel was on the dark side of the Moon

 

[Deleted member 1432]

I think Israel was on the dark side of the Moon

I have the album, but I don't recall that track...