SH Archive Lictors and Roman Fasces Weapons: Grand Deception

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Roman, or Etruscan Fasces is one of the things we all have seen, yet our understanding of this bundle of wood appears to be as far from the truth as possible. I dare to say that we know nothing about it. This innocent pile of twigs with an attached axe could be one of the most powerful weapons known to mankind. I have strong reasons to believe that there is a group of people in our contemporary world, who know what this fasces device actually is, and what it does, and what it means. The meaning of this symbol should not be underestimated, for it allows us to understand who is who on the power ranking scale.

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Fasces Today
The presence of the fasces in the today's world should not be underestimated. Wiki gives us this explanation, "Numerous governments and other authorities have used the image of the fasces as a symbol of power since the end of the Roman Empire. It also has been used to hearken back to the Roman republic, particularly by those who see themselves as modern-day successors to the old republic or its ideals."
  • Slavery in ancient Rome played an important role in society and the economy. Besides manual labour, slaves performed many domestic services, and might be employed at highly skilled jobs and professions. Accountants and physicians were often slaves. Slaves of Greek origin in particular might be highly educated. Unskilled slaves, or those sentenced to slavery as punishment, worked on farms, in mines, and at mills: their living conditions were brutal, and their lives short.
I suggest there is a whole lot more to it, and I intend to produce a hypothesis by the end of this article. For I believe that this Fasces Weapon could be responsible for some seemingly unrelated events such as:
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Benito Mussolini
Benito Mussolini (1883-1945) was an Italian politician and journalist who was the leader of the National Fascist Party. He ruled Italy as Prime Minister from 1922 to 1943; he constitutionally led the country until 1925, when he dropped the pretense of democracy and established a dictatorship.

1937 - Tripoli: Mussolini between the lictor's fasces, speeches to all Muslims of Libya
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Mussolini with fasces left and right; and Adolf Hitler giving his famous salute
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The Legend
Wikipedia, as usually, leads us in the traditional, but wrong direction: the symbolism of the fasces suggested strength through unity; a single rod is easily broken, while the bundle is very difficult to break. It is often claimed that the rods could be used to lash people, and the ax to execute them.

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The Lictors
At the same time, traditional textbook sources similar to Wikipedia do reveal a few details which allow us to isolate several important things. Only a few are more important than Lictors. Who were, or who are they?

According to Livy, lictors were introduced by Rome's first king, Romulus, who appointed 12 lictors to attend him. Livy refers to two competing traditions for the reason that Romulus chose that number of lictors. The first version is that 12 was the number of birds that appeared in the augury, which had portended the kingdom to Romulus. The second version, favoured by Livy, is that the number of lictors was borrowed from the Etruscan kings, who had one lictor appointed from each of their 12 states.

I will side with Livy on this one. Romulus supposedly reigned reigned mid to late 8th century BC. Irrelevant the actual date, for we do not know when the 8th century BC really was. The important part is that the Lictors predate the most ancient of Romes, and that the number was 12.

A Consul on horseback preceded by his Lictors
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  • Lictor was a Roman civil servant who was a bodyguard to magistrates who held imperium. Lictors were used since the Roman Kingdom, and according to Roman historian Livy, the custom may have originated earlier, in the Etruscan civilization.
  • Imperium is a Latin word that, in a broad sense, translates roughly as 'power to command'.
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Essentially we get that fasces were carried by the bodyguards of those who had power of command. This in turn could mean the following:
  • fasces are weapons
  • those with fasces are not in command
  • those in command do not carry/display fasces
KD Important: there could be some interesting conclusions made based on the above three bullets as they relate to today's use of fasces. For example the United States by its display of fasces announces that they are The Lictor protecting those who have "Power of Command". In a similar way all The Lictors could be established. Whatever country does not display any fasces could be the one with "Powers of Command". While there have to be a lot of countries not displaying any fasces we could rule out those that do. And just may be the number of countries allowed to display fasces could be limited to 12.

The Weapon
This is where we will have to heavily rely on our common sense. Obviously the main purpose of a bodyguard is to guard a body. In this case we have lictors protecting a person who had power of command. Lictors appear to have been the best of the best warriors available at the time, a kind of Special Ancient Forces of sorts. Lictors used to carry fasces, which had to be a tool of their trade. We are offered to believe that fasces was this:
  • By the time of the Roman Republic, the fasces had developed into a thicker bundle of birch rods, sometimes surrounding a single-headed axe and tied together with a red leather ribbon into a cylinder.
Essentially we are supposed to believe that something with properties of the below pile of firewood was used by the lictors to protect the dignitary.

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Contemporary Reenactment
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This fasces weapon is clearly bulky and clumsy, when looked at from the traditional stand point. Cut-edge weapons supposed to have totally different mobility. Hypothetically the axe could be removed and used conventionally, but close inspection of some of the etchings raises a question of whether it was really an axe.

Axe a Trigger?
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Basically, I cannot picture this weapon being swung as a simple axe. Fasces clearly have different sizes, and shapes. Some have the axe looking device attached, and some do not. And this mysterious fasces was a weapon chosen by the bodyguards of the ancient top dogs.

Alamy Give Away
Alamy is a website selling images uploaded by some individual photographers. These photographers go places, take pictures, upload those to the website, and get a commission when the image gets sold (that's just my guess). Well, one of such photographers went somewhere, and took a picture of a painting which was accompanied by the below description.

The last raid of Zeppelins, night of 29 to 30 January 1916. Since the beginning of the conflict, German aviation throw bombs on Paris.
Electrical fasces and bright rockets
were used to defend the capital from aerial attacks.
source
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While I do understand that an image from Alamy is a questionable piece of evidence, I have hard time picturing somebody coming up with "electrical fasces ... to defend against aerial attacks". I do think that there is an old unknown painting with this description in one of the museums somewhere. I also would like to know how the fasces could be used to shoot down Zeppelins.

Fontainebleau Fantuzzi Etchings
Frieze of Sigismund
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Larger Images
Now, if those above fasces were merely bundles of wood, the warriors would look pretty ridiculous hugging those. To me it appears that they are taking aim. Of course they could tree-hugging, but this is something main stream would say. The number of Lictors in the above frieze reaches 17, if we were to believe the source site. At the same time I do not see 17 people with fasces, therefore I will stick with 12 Lictor limit max for right now.

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KD: We have these strange fasces item which is claimed to be a bundle of birch twigs with an attached axe. Yet it was being used to shoot down Zeppelins, and those particular fasces were allegedly electrical. Ancient bodyguards used fasces to protect those who had power to command. The symbol of fasces went through thousands of years to be a bizarre architectural, and artistic inclusion incorporated by some of the 21st Century Governments. Isn't it interesting.

Electricity and Sound
Keeping in mind the below two threads, along with "electrical facses" mentioned above, the electrical nature of the facses weapon was the most obvious thing to assume.
In my opinion the fasces were made using metal tubes, or may be rods. I have no idea what the source of the electrical charge could be. The entire idea of such a weapon being used by Etruscans, and Romans sounds bananas. Yet we have something resembling the fasces in our today's world.

Below you can see a piece of the 19th Century Transatlantic Cable, with some additional related images added below.

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There is definitely a resemblance there in my opinion, but just like I said before, I do not now where the electric charge could come from. Could there be two different types of faces out there, with one being electric and the other one being acoustic/resonance?

Trumpets of Jericho
We all know that according to Joshua 6:1-27, the walls of Jericho fell after Joshua's Israelite army marched around the city blowing their trumpets. In the above-mentioned Frieze of Sigismund we can see trumpets right next to our fasces. Is this a mere coincidence?

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Pretty sure we can place the entire symphonic orchestra next to the Great Wall of China today, even the dirt filled wall is not going to collapse. Meanwhile the Jericho walls allegedly collapsed. Simultaneously, this sure does remind of a few other collapsed city walls.

1871 - Great Chicago "Fire"
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Clearly, those were some special trumpets, not like the ones we have today. Could them trumpets be just a part of the fasces/trumpet resonance weapon setup?

Sheng Mouth Organ
The sheng is a Chinese mouth-blown instrument consisting of vertical pipes. It is one of the oldest Chinese instruments, with images depicting its kind dating back to 1100 BCE. The development of sheng can be traced back to 3000 years ago.

Regular Organ Music Instrument you can read about on your own. Wiki says it was invented by Greek inventor and mathematician Ctesibius circa 285–222 BC, but what do they know. He did not go for a simple organ, he started with the water organ. I guess it was easier. Backwards things are normal for our historians.

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Things to consider:
KD summary: I could probably go into how some of the columns resemble this fasces device, but I will leave it right here. There is enough to think about as it is. They would not be dragging this bundle of firewood through centuries, if it did not benefit them one way or the other. The information pertaining to this topic is scarce, and further research is necessary. As a working hypothesis I see the following:
  • The symbol of fasces is displayed by Lictor Countries. This makes USA, Russia, England, France, etc., merely a group of glorified bodyguards
  • Lictors protect whoever holds imperium, aka "power to command". This protected country (family, group, etc) does not display fasces
  • Is Vatican the one with "power to command"?
  • There could be two types of fasces weapons: electric and sound based
  • We can not fully comprehend the power of this weapon (if it even existed). We observe various sizes of the fasces, which suggests that there had to be a reason for it. Could various sizes (length/thickness) be related to power difference?
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Is this where the Fasces originated?

The baresman (Phl. barsom), or sacred bundle of twigs (or "slender wands"), is a ritual implement which has played an important part in Zoroastrian religious practices since prehistoric times. According to Kotwal and Boyd, the baresman is an "ancient Indo-Iranian emblem of seeking the Holy", and it "establishes a connecting link between this getig [material] world and the menog [spiritual] realm. The barsom is, as it were, the conduit through which the archetypal principles and powers manifest their presence and receive the offerings." (A Persian offering, 1991, p. 6, 10; words in square brackets are mine). It is also an instrument through which one acquires the sacred power (op. cit. p. 23). Perhaps then it is also a conduit for channeling the power outwards, and thus is a prototypical 'magic wand'. The baresman is traditionally made of tamarisk trigs, although in modern times metal rods have been substituted.
The magic wand
 
Is this where the Fasces originated?

The baresman (Phl. barsom), or sacred bundle of twigs (or "slender wands"), is a ritual implement which has played an important part in Zoroastrian religious practices since prehistoric times. According to Kotwal and Boyd, the baresman is an "ancient Indo-Iranian emblem of seeking the Holy", and it "establishes a connecting link between this getig [material] world and the menog [spiritual] realm. The barsom is, as it were, the conduit through which the archetypal principles and powers manifest their presence and receive the offerings." (A Persian offering, 1991, p. 6, 10; words in square brackets are mine). It is also an instrument through which one acquires the sacred power (op. cit. p. 23). Perhaps then it is also a conduit for channeling the power outwards, and thus is a prototypical 'magic wand'. The baresman is traditionally made of tamarisk trigs, although in modern times metal rods have been substituted.
The magic wand
Sounds very much like these functions could be transposed to how Hollywood or Holy-wood gets it's worship these days.

the conduit through which the archetypal principles and powers manifest their presence and receive the offerings
 
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