SH Archive Nuclear Weapons: do they exist or not?

[codis]

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Date: 2019-12-02 10:01:40
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Do not know anything about when they were installed. Did you notice that after the buildings fell that a convoy of large dump trucks filled with dirt starting spreading dirt on the ground. This could lessen the effects of radiation, especially if mixed with other retardants? The trucks showed up really fast?

Not that I'm totally convinced, but Khalezov's theory seems the most plausible to me, because it involves the least amount of immediate preparation (adding/modifying the building, and placing charges) and the least amount of speculative "alien" technology (space beam weapon, "nano-thermite").
Thermonuclear charges produce very little nuclear fallout, in difference to conventional Uranium/Plutonium charges.
The greatest amount of energy is released immediately as radiation, and would be directed upwards and mostly "shielded" from surrounding buildings in the WTC event.
As a sidenote, Khalezov suggests the term "ground zero" was never used before 9/11 for any non-nuclear explosion.
He supposes it slipped through into official statements somehow, and caused a mad scramble to change all references (encyclopdias) to this phrase, Orwell-1984-style. He spends at least two dozen pages to prove his point here.

 

[asatiger1966]

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Not that I'm totally convinced, but Khalezov's theory seems the most plausible to me, because it involves the least amount of immediate preparation (adding/modifying the building, and placing charges) and the least amount of speculative "alien" technology (space beam weapon, "nano-thermite").
Thermonuclear charges produce very little nuclear fallout, in difference to conventional Uranium/Plutonium charges.
The greatest amount of energy is released immediately as radiation, and would be directed upwards and mostly "shielded" from surrounding buildings in the WTC event.
As a sidenote, Khalezov suggests the term "ground zero" was never used before 9/11 for any non-nuclear explosion.
He supposes it slipped through into official statements somehow, and caused a mad scramble to change all references (encyclopdias) to this phrase, Orwell-1984-style. He spends at least two dozen pages to prove his point here.

To my memory I have never seen any alien based tech. Beam weapons, sound weapons,, cloaking devices, stealth and scalar are out there, to what degree I do not know. They were developed here, when? My shallow thought is that star peoples weapons might not even work with this planets frequencies. Or their ships would not be able to enter our atmosphere with out modifications?

My opinion answer the question, what really is in Siberia and the whole story takes a big leap.

My personal experience says that someone in Russia is our, whoever we are, very old friend.

 

[irishbalt]

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Date: 2019-12-02 20:59:22
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ASTIGER1966

I can only speak for myself, but have you considered publishing your memoirs? You appear to have a very long list of experiences, accomplishments, disappointments and insight that most people would never be able to experience.

When people begin to make false assumptions, it is good to have some person who was there, witnessed events and can give an account for posterity, because right now history is being rewritten.

Please consider such an endeavor.

 

[Archive]

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Date: 2019-12-03 00:08:49
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‘The Emperor Deterrence may have no clothes, but he is still Emperor.’ Despite his nakedness, this emperor continues to strut about, receiving deference he doesn’t deserve, while endangering the entire world. Nuclear deterrence is an idea that became a potentially lethal ideology, one that remains influential despite having been increasingly discredited. - concluded Lawrence Freedman (the dean of British military historians and strategists) in his classic The Evolution of Nuclear Strategy (1989).

The atomic bomb, and nuclear bombs, are powerful weapons that use nuclear reactions as their source of explosive energy. Scientists first developed nuclear weapons technology during World War II. Atomic bombs have been used only twice in war - both times by the United States against Japan at the end of World War II. - History

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There is this theory out there that nuclear weapons do not exist. I am not quite sure what this "do not exist" is supposed to mean exactly. Apart from having all of them explosion videos made up, it appears that at the very least we do have the evidence of some humongous explosions. Yet, we have bizarre videos similar to the one below, where an alleged scientist claims to have been eating Uranium for years. With no negative consequences apparently.

Another suspicious event to add to the bunch would be the bombing of Hiroshima, and Nagasaki. A diligent observer would notice, that image googling any other WW2 Japanese city will produce levels of destruction, comparable to the ones suffered by Hiroshima, and Nagasaki. Of course all the damages suffered by other Japanese cities were officially caused by fire bombings. Those "fire bombing" damages can be observed in the below thread:

• Urban fire damage or was it a powerful nuclear-like explosion?

Additionally, I could say that very similar damages have been taking place quite a few years prior to the first alleged Atomic Bomb detonation in July of 1945.

• Who nuked San Francisco in 1906?
• Urban Fire verdict: global attack on our civilization or incompetency?

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I am not pretending to be some sort of an expert on nuclear weapons, but one of the dangers of nuclear explosions is the Nuclear Fallout.

• Nuclear fallout, or fallout, is the residual radioactive material propelled into the upper atmosphere following a nuclear blast, so called because it "falls out" of the sky after the explosion and the shock wave have passed.

My conventional education suggested that the affected area could be contaminated for hundreds of years. Do we really observe the consequences of such contamination in Hiroshima, and Nagasaki. I do not know, do you?

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KD: I'm essentially trying to figure out what exactly is being questioned in the existence of Nuclear Weapons. Is it the ability to produce the explosion of certain magnitude, or is it the subsequent radioactive contamination? Both explosion power, and contamination, or something entirely different?

What is your opinion on this issue? "Yes" or "No", and why?

My interest here: "something" leveled San Francisco in 1906, just like something did Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945. Damages are indistinguishable from each other. I find it highly suspicious. Could it be the same weapon? The one we do not know about.

Galen Windsor. Not an “alleged scientist”......
He was one of the top dogs at GE .......

 

[Whitewave]

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Date: 2019-12-03 01:12:53
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Galen Windsor. Not an “alleged scientist”......
He was one of the top dogs at GE .......

Galen Windsor died of leukemia. Who could have guessed that eating uranium would give you leukemia?

 

[KD Archive]

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Date: 2019-12-03 01:30:06
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Galen Windsor died of leukemia. Who could have guessed that eating uranium would give you leukemia?

It depends on how many years he was handling and eating this uranium. Additionally we could probably come up with 50 additional types of cancer uranium radiation should have caused.

 

[Archive]

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Username: zxcv0
Date: 2019-12-03 01:40:09
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Galen Windsor died of leukemia. Who could have guessed that eating uranium would give you leukemia?

He died in his 80s.

Who could have guessed that people at or past the life expectancy end up dying of something?

I've also read about many people who had leukemia, some as young as 4. Guess how many of them ate uranium? Apparently, it turns out that leukemia can be caused by things other than uranium. But since that wouldn't suit your narrative, I suppose it's not something you wanted to hear.

 

[KD Archive]

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Date: 2019-12-03 01:50:29
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But since that wouldn't suit your narrative, I suppose it's not something you wanted to hear.

You need to find a different place to be saying stuff like that to individuals you do not know. Instigate some place else.

At the very least you could have looked up her posting history to be bringing up narrative issues.

 

[Archive]

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Date: 2019-12-03 01:57:21
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You need to find a different place to be saying stuff like that to individuals you do not know. Instigate some place else.

At the very least you could have looked up her posting history to be bringing up narrative issues.

The narrative was defined in the post I quoted. I don't need a dossier of their posting history.

This person presented the idea that Winsor died of leukemia as a result of ingesting uranium, conveniently leaving out small details like him dying at an age that is appropriate for people to die at, from a disease that people get as young as childhood.

In a topic where people are presenting reasons for why nuclear bombs are real or not, what they said could easily sway someone to believe that uranium is highly dangerous, and that nuclear bombs are real.

 

[KD Archive]

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Date: 2019-12-03 02:03:07
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I tried, but I don't have time for stuff like this. Your point could have been made without being personal.

• Posting guidlines
• Diffuse the situation instead of provoking your fellow debater.

Enjoy other places. I will never allow this type of interaction on this forum.

 

[Whitewave]

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Date: 2019-12-03 02:11:50
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The narrative was defined in the post I quoted. I don't need a dossier of their posting history.

This person presented the idea that Winsor died of leukemia as a result of ingesting uranium, conveniently leaving out small details like him dying at an age that is appropriate for people to die at, from a disease that people get as young as childhood.

In a topic where people are presenting reasons for why nuclear bombs are real or not, what they said could easily sway someone to believe that uranium is highly dangerous, and that nuclear bombs are real.

Yes, I know people die at young ages from leukemia. My brother died of it ( from benzene exposure) at age 20. Yes, it's possible that an 80 year old could be felled by anything but if someone dies of lung cancer after smoking for 50 years would you contend that the intake of known toxins was coincidental to their demise or would you argue that their age alone was sufficient reason for a weakened Constitution and their resultant cancer?

Well dang, I must have been poking out a reply when kd posted. Not trying to stir the pot; just pointing out that risky behavior has consequences even if it takes a while to catch up with you.

 

[KD Archive]

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Date: 2019-12-03 02:46:50
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We debate opinions without attacking characters here.

 

[asatiger1966]

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Date: 2019-12-03 02:59:12
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He died in his 80s.

Who could have guessed that people at or past the life expectancy end up dying of something?

I've also read about many people who had leukemia, some as young as 4. Guess how many of them ate uranium? Apparently, it turns out that leukemia can be caused by things other than uranium. But since that wouldn't suit your narrative, I suppose it's not something you wanted to hear.

I was with you up till your last sentence. You stepped on the trail and got shot. Do you know why? You made an assumption .

Then your next post clearly stated your thinking that nuclear was not real. This is a debate site for learning about things ,from others that have different information, experiences, because we can only experience so little first hand.

In a 1955 brochure on ‘Atomic Test Effects in the Nevada Test Site Region’, the Atomic Energy Commission assured residents close to the test site that radiation levels were “only slightly more than normal radiation which you experience day in and day out wherever you may live.” The nuclear weapon tests in Nevada were even promoted as tourist attractions.

Total external and internal radiation dose (mGy) to the thyroid of adults in the United States from all tests at the Nevada test site. Source: National Cancer Institute
Until today, the scale of the harm caused by radioactive fallout from the Nevada Test Site remains controversial. A 2006 study (PDF) by Steven L. Simon, André Bouville and Charles E. Land finds that exposure to fallout from atmospheric testing will continue to have adverse health effects in the form of increased rates of certain types of cancer such as leukemia. The National Cancer Institute's 1999 report finds that internal exposure to iodine-131 was the most serious health consequence for downwinders. Milk contaminated with iodine-131 was consumed by children in particular.

Whereas the downwinders paid a high price for the development of a nuclear weapons program for the benefit of the United States; and Whereas the downwinders deserve to be recognized for the sacrifice they have made for the defense of the United States.U.S. Senate Resolution of 16 November 2011

Also one should be embolden to buy the cheap land next to one of these test sites for housing or a manufacturing plant. You would save a bundle.LOL

 

[Whitewave]

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I was with you up till your last sentence. You stepped on the trail and got shot. Do you know why? You made an assumption .

Then your next post clearly stated your thinking that nuclear was not real. This is a debate site for learning about things ,from others that have different information, experiences, because we can only experience so little first hand.

In a 1955 brochure on ‘Atomic Test Effects in the Nevada Test Site Region’, the Atomic Energy Commission assured residents close to the test site that radiation levels were “only slightly more than normal radiation which you experience day in and day out wherever you may live.” The nuclear weapon tests in Nevada were even promoted as tourist attractions.

Total external and internal radiation dose (mGy) to the thyroid of adults in the United States from all tests at the Nevada test site. Source: National Cancer Institute
Until today, the scale of the harm caused by radioactive fallout from the Nevada Test Site remains controversial. A 2006 study (PDF) by Steven L. Simon, André Bouville and Charles E. Land finds that exposure to fallout from atmospheric testing will continue to have adverse health effects in the form of increased rates of certain types of cancer such as leukemia. The National Cancer Institute's 1999 report finds that internal exposure to iodine-131 was the most serious health consequence for downwinders. Milk contaminated with iodine-131 was consumed by children in particular.

Also one should be embolden to buy the cheap land next to one of these test sites for housing or a manufacturing plant. You would save a bundle.LOL

When I worked intensive care unit in Norfolk, VA. I actually got to take care of a radiation poisoning victim. He worked on the nuclear subs and got an accidental over exposure. It was not an easy death for that poor man or an unemotional one for those of us responsible for his care. Caregivers have to be shielded from patients who have radium implants and the room they stay in has to undergo specialized cleaning before another patient can be admitted to the contaminated room.

Blast this phone! ( Or is it operator error?) Had a whole post typed out and lost it. Have cared for radiation poisoning victim in Norfolk VA. Guy who worked on the nuclear subs there. Nasty way to go. Radium implant patients get no more than 15 minutes of nursing care in an 8 hour shift to protect the workers and when they leave, the room has to have specialized cleaning before another patient can be admitted to it. I don't know if everything we've been told about radiation and radioactive weapons is true or not but I do think it's certainly possible and even probable. It's my understanding that enriching bombs with uranium is what makes them especially harmful and that nukes require uranium in order to become nukes.

 

[asatiger1966]

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ASTIGER1966

I can only speak for myself, but have you considered publishing your memoirs? You appear to have a very long list of experiences, accomplishments, disappointments and insight that most people would never be able to experience.

When people begin to make false assumptions, it is good to have some person who was there, witnessed events and can give an account for posterity, because right now history is being rewritten.

Please consider such an endeavor.

Thank you for the comments. My first commanding officer said to me "write fiction and one can say almost anything". He died of "Agent Blue", in Mexico because treatment was unavailable in this country. He wrote two books that I know. At the time of his death he was the most decorated solider in Army history. He came once to give a speech in Dallas, my wife begged me to go, I could not; being so close to such a great man was more emotion than I could handle. I stayed in my office for days and wept. I regretted that decision every day of my life.

I and we saw too wide a variety of conflict. Talking about the "safer side" would only give a heads up about the possibility of the other side. I commit no betrayal by answering specific questions. One would need an open source to ask the question and if you ask the question obviously you have seen an open source, but for me to start a conversation about some undisclosed event would be actionable.

I actually started a book about three years ago. Finished three plus chapters, went to write a few more paragraphs, it was gone. Darn I pushed a wrong key and deleted the darn thing. I had permission to write about this particular subject. Life from a small town kids perspective. Growing up in a rural setting and going through my first three years of training, combat, brotherhood,fear, shock, grief, rejection and love.

So I wrote a few more paragraphs, the next day they were gone. More than a few comrades have called on me for advice about how to survive knowing two much, after separation. No one has died yet starting in the early 90's from my "advice". There is so much to talk about and little to say.

Old ramblings,

 

[Whitewave]

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Oh contraire, my friend your " old ramblings" have provided us with great insight and info. I'd happily read your memoirs... whatever you feel free to tell us.

 

[asatiger1966]

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Oh contraire, my friend your " old ramblings" have provided us with great insight and info. I'd happily read your memoirs... whatever you feel free to tell us.

Your words humble me. It is I who have learnt so much from you "Whitewave" . The people on this site are somewhat exceptional. Having a reasoned conversation is quite out of step with our western culture right now.

Thank you and thank you all.

 

[Whitewave]

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Date: 2019-12-06 00:27:11
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Your commanding officer was right and may have been giving you a way to say what needs saying without getting into trouble. I've read several books that were labeled as fiction that I thought were soft disclosures. Of course, everyone has to follow their conscience.

 

[asatiger1966]

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Just in my lifetime there has been the Chernobyl, Three Mile Island, and Fukishima disasters. I don't think nuclear is safe at all. When something goes wrong with nuclear power, it's a long-term disaster. Fukishima is STILL poisoning the entire Pacific over 6 year later! I don't think the damage is going to stay in the Pacific either.

I wake up in a different world almost every day. There is two many known facts to relate to a public that has severely limited knowledge of the closer past.
no building blocks to stand on.

This piece is long but may help you understand one of the many facets of a possible reset and what information you do not know.

by Dimitri A. Khalezov
October 2009

Nuclear Demolition of Skyscrapers

 

[codis]

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I wake up in a different world almost every day. There is two many known facts to relate to a public that has severely limited knowledge of the closer past.
no building blocks to stand on.

This piece is long but may help you understand one of the many facets of a possible reset and what information you do not know.


by Dimitri A. Khalezov
October 2009

Nuclear Demolition of Skyscrapers

The bibliotecapleyades link seems a summary of a longer document (PDF, several hundred pages) Khalezov wrote, dealing with the 9/11 events. In short, his theory seems the most plausible to me, assuming the least amount of "deus ex machina". And if I remember correctly, it included long chapters about a search/confirmation of a retrospective change of the term "ground zero" which supposedly slipped through in quick-response media reports.
Which would fall into the "Mandela Effect" category.

Just can't find that original document right now, though ...