SH Archive The Tower of Babel, Hendrick Van Cleve, and the Hendrick Van Cleve III group

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Date: 2020-08-01 12:01:21
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Babelstone Blog - sorted by artist - 72 views

Just stumbled across this site; might be useful in some way.

 

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Username: Red Bird
Date: 2020-08-01 13:08:40
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Everyone interested should read The Two Babylons. His tracing of the gods/goddesses back to Nimrod/Isis is particularly good, and one I subscribe to.

 

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Username: Starmonkey
Date: 2020-08-01 13:48:04
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Check this out!! The Two BabylonsView attachment 50802

The Two Babylons, subtitled Romanism and its Origins, is a religious pamphlet published in 1853 by the Presbyterian Free Church of Scotland theologian Alexander Hislop (1807–65).

Its central theme is the argument that the Catholic Church is the Babylon of the Apocalypse which is described in the Bible.View attachment 50802

Definitely one worth scrutinizing. Lots of references. Our SH forefathers!
The bigger they are...
As all institutions, establishments, incorporations, etc continue to crumble, I wonder what kind of noise the tree that is the Vatican will make when it falls. Probably blow out some windows and set off some car alarms.
The Boy Scouts of America was like a feeble old man fart. Let's do better than that!

Check this out!! The Two BabylonsView attachment 50802

The Two Babylons, subtitled Romanism and its Origins, is a religious pamphlet published in 1853 by the Presbyterian Free Church of Scotland theologian Alexander Hislop (1807–65).

Its central theme is the argument that the Catholic Church is the Babylon of the Apocalypse which is described in the Bible.View attachment 50802

Good insights. Religious bias. Skewed. Some little bits here and there if you can get past that. I only made it a couple chapters.

 

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Username: Recognition
Date: 2020-08-05 10:44:13
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Everyone interested should read The Two Babylons. His tracing of the gods/goddesses back to Nimrod/Isis is particularly good, and one I subscribe to.

@redbird Do you know where I could find a copyof the first edition online? Anything stand out to you from what you read about our discussion here? Did they make mention of other locations where TOB could be, besides what the narrative suggests? Love to hear it!

The Tower of Babel and Courthouse at Arches National Park, Utah, USA.

This needs its whole other thread, but check out the The Tower of Babel and Courthouse at Arches National Park, Utah, USA. Some huge structure was definitely there in the past. Not sure that it would be Babel but certainly fascinating!

 

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Username: tsims101
Date: 2020-08-05 12:31:04
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Surely this is the "Jack and the Beanstalk" story?

If ancient trees where massive as is speculated, and one reached into the sky above the clouds but you couldn't climb it, you would simply wrap a structure around it.

It wouldn't need to be structurally strong at the base as each level grows it is attached to the centre column. Maybe out of wood.

How would you get the wood there?

I notice in a lot of the pictures the tower seems to be at a port besides the sea, simply float the wood there.

Climb into the heavens, get seen by a giant (Nephilim), he chases you down.

Woodcutter sees it, climbs and cuts down the structure on his way down !

Giant falls to his death, is buried, bones found thousands of years later, stolen by the Smithsonian's.


Easy

 

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Username: Recognition
Date: 2020-08-05 12:33:45
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Definitely one worth scrutinizing. Lots of references. Our SH forefathers!
The bigger they are...
As all institutions, establishments, incorporations, etc continue to crumble, I wonder what kind of noise the tree that is the Vatican will make when it falls. Probably blow out some windows and set off some car alarms.
The Boy Scouts of America was like a feeble old man fart. Let's do better than that!

Good insights. Religious bias. Skewed. Some little bits here and there if you can get past that. I only made it a couple chapters.

@Starmonkey notice anything in those 2 chapters related to any of these ideas/location of the tower?

 

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Username: Maveto
Date: 2020-08-05 12:34:32
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Wow!! These images are astounding!!!
your comment “But before I throw down a fresh batch of babel etchings, I have a bit of an out there theory. The word babble is said to have come from middle german in the 15th century but what if the word goes all the way back to 3800 b.c.e. when the Tower of Babel existed? And what if the word babble has to do with the sound that these energy centers would make, all over the world? Maybe they crackled and made mysterious noises that could not be deciphered.” This is fascinating!! Could stand for Baal Bell? Possibly a resonance device that interfered with those already operating from those energy centers?


This picture is crazy!!! View attachment 50698

We again have the tower of Babel, half in the ground, people wearing tricorn hats and the garb of the 18th century! Here’s what wiki says about tricorn hats: The tricorne or tricorn is a style of hat that was popular during the 18th century, falling out of style by 1800, though actually not called a "tricorne" until the mid-19th century. During the 18th century, hats of this general style were referred to as "cocked hats". At the peak of its popularity, the tricorne varied greatly in style and size, and was worn not only by the aristocracy, but also as common civilian dress, and as part of military and naval uniforms.[1]

Also, what is happening in this picture with all these figures?? Can anyone read this writing? The figure with the curly long wig and tricorn hat appears to have same face and clothes, so is this one person’s actions? Why so many figures of him defecating?? Makes me think of the people defecating in Versailles, on the floor, next to magnificent fountains, but no bathroom facilities. If this is not the same dude, why do most of the people in this pic have same face and body? Is this after the mudflood (we see TOB sunk in mud in background) and the populous of clones was walked out into the world after the flood? Could this mean that TOB was built in 1500, destroyed/mudflood in 1600, new populous presented to new world in 1700? Amazing research as always!!!
Also, what is happening in the far back of this pic? Looks like he’s presenting a giant’s skull with horns. Think about it, goat skull would have completely diff jaw line! View attachment 50699

It's just a poem. Doesn't appear to have any interesting information on it. If you want I can translate it for you.

 

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Username: Starmonkey
Date: 2020-08-05 12:36:39
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@Starmonkey notice anything in those 2 chapters related to any of these ideas/location of the tower?

Not really. Seemed to be going off on the STURCH more than anything. Cultural more than geographical.

 

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Username: parta
Date: 2020-08-05 12:37:19
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they say this is a mud volcano because it seems to be comprised of layers of mud emanating from the top centre. i think this is an example of what the tower of babel would look like today after many many thousands of years of weathering.

googlemap

 

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Username: Starmonkey
Date: 2020-08-05 12:43:05
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Who knows if it was ever actual. Or just metaphorical. There would be rubble. And it would have been laid to waste.
Unless it was pillaged and repurposed for other buildings.

 

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Username: parta
Date: 2020-08-05 12:47:25
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Who knows if it was ever actual. Or just metaphorical. There would be rubble. And it would have been laid to waste.
Unless it was pillaged and repurposed for other buildings.

stone? mud and slime....
"And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter. "

 

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Date: 2020-08-05 12:54:50
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stone? mud and slime....
"And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter. "

With references like those... Yeah, I'm thinking it wasn't actually a physical place.

 

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Username: parta
Date: 2020-08-05 12:57:15
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With references like those... Yeah, I'm thinking it wasn't actually a physical place.

well ziggurats in the wrong climate would not look so pretty

they are mud. don't know about the slime.

 

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Username: Starmonkey
Date: 2020-08-05 13:06:08
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well ziggurats in the wrong climate would not look so pretty
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they are mud. don't know about the slime.

No, but unless Rome completely buried its past, I'm guessing culturally you're getting warmer. Unless it was another twist of words and appropriation.
Most likely refers to their rivals. Nemesis.

 

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Date: 2020-08-05 13:11:22
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No, but unless Rome completely buried its past, I'm guessing culturally you're getting warmer. Unless it was another twist of words and appropriation.
Most likely refers to their rivals. Nemesis.

constantine was born across the river from the hill in my photo. he may have also thought they [the romans] had previously found mithras walled enclosure very nearby hence the roman adoption of mithraism by domitian and trajan et al... and therefore the birth of the catholic church in the end. the catholic church would prefer all the action did not take place so close to them in europe. they exist because of the mystery right.

 

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constantine was born across the river from the hill in my photo. he may have also thought they [the romans] had previously found mithras walled enclosure very nearby hence the roman adoption of mithraism by domitian and trajan et al... and therefore the birth of the catholic church in the end. the catholic church would prefer all the action did not take place so close to them in europe. they exist because of the mystery right.

Prefer, reschmer... Their days are numbered, methinks. Possibly into the triple digits, but not by much.

 

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Username: Red Bird
Date: 2020-08-05 13:26:21
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[USER=1460]@Redbird[/USER] Do you know where I could find a copyof the first edition online? Anything stand out to you from what you read about our discussion here? Did they make mention of other locations where TOB could be, besides what the narrative suggests? Love to hear it!

The Tower of Babel and Courthouse at Arches National Park, Utah, USA.

This needs its whole other thread, but check out the The Tower of Babel and Courthouse at Arches National Park, Utah, USA. Some huge structure was definitely there in the past. Not sure that it would be Babel but certainly fascinating!

No idea on the first edition as I deal in paperback scans usually : ) The copy I have is this, but it looks like a scan of something older, however right now it is packed somewhere as I am moving.

Has anyone debunked the erosion story of Utah anywhere?

 

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Date: 2020-08-07 01:25:00
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It's just a poem. Doesn't appear to have any interesting information on it. If you want I can translate it for you.

That’d be wonderful if you wouldn’t mind!!!

 

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Date: 2020-08-17 01:58:57
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Great job with this thread !
I was wondering for quite some time what this building really looked like before being destroyed and you helped me put it together.
It clicked and I had a aha moment when I looked closely at the pictures of the tower.



The oval concentric walls, the archways and columns...



The bricks inside...



Clearly it looks like something we know.



These are the above ground remains of the Tower of Babel today :


The "Colosseum"

They removed the inside walls and floors to make it fit their gladiator arena narrative. It would make sense that if past civilizations were much more advanced and pacific that the savagery allegedly associated with it is completely made up and another inversion.
This was certainly a very prominent gathering place for diplomacy at one point, like the center of the world of sorts.
The paintings do not show it being constructed but the state it was in after it got partially destroyed by the takeover force. The people around it do not fit, they just found it and settled there. The squary part of the building is now deep underground.
The many paintings do show different phases of it being burried.

And we know Rome has tons of stuff hidden underground :
Excavation of Rome: archaeologists are silent
Also we have some clues about when things might have happened.
1530: The Great Flood of Rome

I'd say the tower might have been standing completed in the days of Atlantis before America's rediscovery...

 

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Date: 2020-08-17 10:55:28
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Great job with this thread !
I was wondering for quite some time what this building really looked like before being destroyed and you helped me put it together.
It clicked and I had a aha moment when I looked closely at the pictures of the tower.

View attachment 51427

The oval concentric walls, the archways and columns...

View attachment 51428

The bricks inside...

View attachment 51430

Clearly it looks like something we know.

View attachment 51429

These are the above ground remains of the Tower of Babel today :

View attachment 51431 View attachment 51432 View attachment 51433
The "Colosseum"

They removed the inside walls and floors to make it fit their gladiator arena narrative. It would make sense that if past civilizations were much more advanced and pacific that the savagery allegedly associated with it is completely made up and another inversion.
This was certainly a very prominent gathering place for diplomacy at one point, like the center of the world of sorts.
The paintings do not show it being constructed but the state it was in after it got partially destroyed by the takeover force. The people around it do not fit, they just found it and settled there. The squary part of the building is now deep underground.
The many paintings do show different phases of it being burried.

And we know Rome has tons of stuff hidden underground :
Excavation of Rome: archaeologists are silent
Also we have some clues about when things might have happened.
1530: The Great Flood of Rome

I'd say the tower might have been standing completed in the days of Atlantis before America's rediscovery...

Wow!!! I think you are right!!! Amazing research!!!

Wow!!! I think you are right!!! Amazing research!!!

Look at the interior of the colliseum! Always thought it looked like a machine, not an area for gladiator battles!n
Check out what popped up when I googled Vespasian and Tower of Babel