SH Archive Was Cleopatra a medieval queen?

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It appears, today we have this image of Cleopatra, the ancient Egyptian queen, ingrained in our minds. In my previous opinion Cleopatra was a strikingly beautiful woman, who looked what an ancient Egyptian woman was supposed to look like. And of course, Cleopatra related movies contributed to this impression, which at this very moment appears to be highly questionable.

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While going over some of the ancient Roman stuff, I started seeing paintings dated with 15th, 16th, 17th and 18th centuries where Cleopatra looked nothing like what we are used to today. For me those early images meant that some 500 years ago, there was a totally different understanding of certain events and historical circumstances. Below are a few examples of those paintings and etchings.

15th century art​

• 1403 - Suicides of Mark Antony and Cleopatra VII
• 1415 - The Tomb of Marc Antony and Cleopatra
• 1473 - De Cleopatra regina egiptiorum - Cleopatra, Antonius
• 1479 - Anthony and Cleopatra
• 1470s+ - Cleopatra and the Asp

16th century art​

• 1505 - Death of Cleopatra
• 1523 - Dying Cleopatra
• 1550s - Cleopatra
• 1557-1622 - Antonius och Kleopatras gästabud

17th century art​

• 1628 - Cleopatra and the Asp
• 1630s - Cleopatra
• 1640s - The Death of Cleopatra
• 1640s - Cleopatra killing herself
• 1645-55 - The Death of Cleopatra
• 1653 - Cleopatra's Feast
• 1650-60 - Cleopatra and the Asp

18th century art​

• 1709-69 - Antonio al banchetto di Cleopatra
• 1709-69 - Cleopatre dans son palais
• 1743 - The Banquet of Cleopatra

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Here we run into the 19th century, and Cleopatra, all over sudden, starts gaining her contemporary appearance. I'm not going to link the images to the source. You can easily google the 19th century Cleopatra paintings.

* * * And there you go. In the 21st century we end up with her * * *

Cleopatra: 21st century



And here is what we started with: 15th century Cleo
Mark Antony and Cleopatra


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Of course, we could go the beaten path of our dogmatic historians. They would most likely say that in the 15th century people only had texts, and were unable to fully understand the cultural specifics of the ancient Egyptians. Or, we could come up with a few additional explanations aimed at burying the issue within some pseudo-scientific gibberish language.

KD summary: I keep on looking at this image (above) of Mark Antony and Cleopatra, thinking that we got duped one more time. We have to be delusional to think that in 2018 we know better than people knew in 1403. And by the looks of it, those artists had a very different idea of what Cleopatra looked like some 600 years ago.

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Could it be that "antiquity" is not something which took place 2000 years ago, but rather was a time frame fairly contemporary to some of the above paintings and etchings? If we consider the possibility of Pompeii getting buried in 1631, and this bizarre 15th century emergence of the ancient statues... who's there to say (besides the officials) that Cleopatra was not some 14th century queen?

*** Bonus: 15th and 16th century Julius Caesar​

• 1445-65 - Triumph of Julius Caesar
• 1446 - The Death of Julius Caesar
• 1474 - Assassination of Julius Caesar
• 16th century - Julius Caesar

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• Ancient TOP 9, and their Coats of Arms
• Questionable antiquity of the "ancient" statues
• 79 A.D. no more: Pompeii got buried in 1631

Note: This OP was recovered from the Sh.org archive.

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Biblical Magi:

• Melchior (/ˈmɛlkiˌɔːr/; also Melichior), a Persian scholar;
• Caspar (/ˈkæspər/ or /ˈkæspɑːr/; also Gaspar, Jaspar, Jaspas, Gathaspa, and other variations);
• Balthazar (/ˈbælθəˌzɑːr/ or /bælˈθæzər/; also Balthasar, Balthassar, and Bithisarea), a Babylonian scholar.

Biblical Magi vs Cleopatra

The Caspar from the Magi suddenly turns into a different color.

Then Cleopatra and Caesar are described in the Bible. Melchior (MLHR) = (BLGR) = Bulgarian.
And why is Melchior called a Persian teacher?

"Marco Polo's Travels"
The first country he visited was Persia. Who is this Persian? It departs from Italy to Asia. The first country he would meet was Bulgaria, not Persia.
CHAPTER XXXI
"Persia (Bulgaria) is a great country, which was in old times very illustrious and powerful; but now the Tartars have wasted and destroyed it. "
History of Olga of Kiev (890-925)
In the 950s, Olga (Hellena of Bulgaria) traveled to Constantinople, the capital of the Byzantine Empire, to visit Emperor Constantine VII. Once in Constantinople, Olga converted to Christianity with the assistance of the Emperor and the Patriarch.
"In Persia is the city of SABA (Kiev), from which the Three Magi set out when they went to worship Jesus Christ; and in this city they are buried, in three very large and beautiful monuments, side by side. And above them there is a square building, carefully kept. The bodies are still entire, with the hair and beard remaining. One of these was called Jaspar (Constantine VII = Constantius I Chlorus = Julius Caesar), the second Melchior (Olga = (H)Elena = Cleopatra), and the third Balthasar (Gregory = Macarius)."
"However, at a place three days' journey distant he heard of what I am going to tell you. He found a village there which goes by the name of CALA ATAPERISTAN, which is as much as to say, "The Castle of the Fire-worshippers."
"And the name is rightly applied, for the people there do worship fire, and I will tell you why."
"And when they had ridden many days they said they would see what the Child (Jesus Christ) had given them. So they opened the little box, and inside it they found a stone."
"Howbeit, they had no understanding at all of this signification of the gift of the stone; so they cast it into a well. Then straightway a fire from Heaven descended into that well wherein the stone had been cast."
The graceful fire - Holy Fire
"So they took of that fire, and carried it into their own country, and placed it in a rich and beautiful church."
"And there the people keep it continually burning, and worship it as a god, and all the sacrifices they offer are kindled with that fire. And if ever the fire becomes extinct they go to other cities round about where the same faith is held, and obtain of that fire from them, and carry it to the church. And this is the reason why the people of this country worship fire. They will often go ten days' journey to get of that fire."

Of course, this is not Persia. This is Bulgaria. Bulgaria = Persia = Barsia = Boris king of Bulgaria.
The Persians (Bulgarian) who dance on the fire:

Fire dance only with the icon of Saints Constantine the Great and Saint Helena.
These are Caesar and Cleopatra
Gaspar is Elena's godfather.
These are the kings of Marco Polo. There are also turbans in the paintings. Does this mean that Caesar lived during the Ottoman Empire, but not in Egypt or Persia, but right here in Bulgaria.
The only evidence that Cleopatra is the mother of Constantine the Great is precisely this Negro replaced in the 3 magy for now.
The name too:

• Caspar (/ˈkæspər/ or /ˈkæspɑːr/; also Gaspar, Jaspar, Jaspas, Gathaspa, and other variations; (For example Julius Caesar)