What do we actually know about the Bible? The old world Bible? How does it tie in to history, "plasma apocalypse" pole shift theology and history?

[Tomkat]

The replies that were removed from this thread were done so because the conversation regarding women has absolutely nothing to do with how the old world bible ties into a plasma apocalypse. Typically in the case where the conversation is extended past a few replies I will create a new thread with the offtopic discussion continues, or move it to a more relevant thread. However, in this case where the exchange becomes somewhat hostile I will just remove it. If anyone who participated in that exchange would like to create their own thread with their position, and make it relevant in the context of stolen history I would be fine to approve it. There are no "forbidden" topics on this site, but I do make an effort to keep threads clean and relevant to the topic.

Got it. All that is understood. My issue is that there is no notation within that thread indicating that posts have been removed.

 

[Oracle]

What did the previous people think? Do we have a "Tartarian Bible"? How can a work be so edited and butchered but still contain so much relevance now and then, from esoteric implications, to modern religion and spirituality, and be simultaneously so butchered but still cohesive enough to be the center of our cosmology? There's so much more I can't even cover, like the cosmology of the Book of Enoch, the Soul's Perilous Journey through the seven planets in Christianity Judaism and Islam and even modern Prison Planet theorists with witness accounts of pastors having strange NDE like experiences experiencing similar things to the journey through "planets".

What do we ACTUALLY know? What do you believe? Is anyone looking out for us "out there"? Were the ancients trying to tell a story we're beginning to unravel or is it an eternal mystery? Is human history and religion just fragments of an attempt to explain the reset phenomenon of this realm?
I'm very interested in what others more researched than I think, and any refutations or evidences of these theories, and what you think of it. Is anyone looking out for us? Is god just "awareness"? Plasma? An entity like a person? Is there no God? If so, who or what made our entire realm? Why is it seemingly cyclical? Did ancients know this or try to express it? Is the Bible even coherent at all? If yes or no, why was it important to them, and what do we think they even thought, since we know OUR "Bible" very likely isn't theirs? We can't say either way if we have what they have or not. We're truly in the dark.
I'll post a few images as well, such as religious and cultural inscriptions on maps, relevant symbols other things. It's interesting to note the media is rampant lately with portal symbology.... Very relevant to this field of study as well. I'm not the best at writing these articles or writing in general but I want to convey some things I've come across in my studies and ask some questions in hope that it can help others out or get some answers myself.

What a great OP Gold.
Considerable time ,research and effort put into it.
Sad to see the discussion went into meltdown, you have raised some very interesting questions and ideas. Hopefully it gets a bump here and goes back on track.

So many links it's going to take me some time to unpack, but you touch on some topics of long interest to me, and that I've explored often over the years.
Having never read the bible itself, I can't comment on it's themes or content, but I lean towards the cosmic clock ( planetary movements and interactions) turning the wheel of time in cyclic ages.
Plasma generated catastrophe as a result seems entirely possible, even likely to me.

Then there is the alchemist's hints that the whole Jesus story is a personification of the Sun, eg, the death and rebirth in three days of Jesus equals the winter solstice.
The cross being in this instance the galactic cross, centre of our galaxy.
Unfortunately due to the ambitions of the adherents to the mystery schools, we get turned around on a more material basis in a terrestrial manner in shorter cycles.
It seems the age of control via religion, is becoming the age of control by technology in the here and now.
The burning of the library of Alexandria comes to mind, I feel like we've been ignorant and lied to ever since. That event was what really kicked off the age of monotheism
and the dumbing down of the people at large. A priest class preaching from a book written in a language few can read,that was never going to share enlightenment.
Jacob Frank declared in the 18th century; " the only way to a new society was through the total destruction of the present civilisation".As a cabbalist, I guess he would know, eh?

From the Rosicrucians: "the cross is a complex symbol which includes the meaning of conjunction, the binding together of opposing forces. The cross is a symbol of the heart, of the mystic center of the universe, a place of junction for the forces of the cosmos. Consequently, the cross affirms the primary relationship between the two worlds of the heavenly or celestial and the earth-bound (spirit and matter). The cross alludes to the divine spirit descended into the realm of the physical—life—symbolized by the four elements of the alchemists (the four arms of the cross) which are the components of life."
The Rosicrucian Impulse: Magic, Mysticism, and Ritual | The Order of the Rose and Cross

If we replace " divine spirit " with "aether" or "plasma",
do things become clearer to us?
Who knows, it's an interesting turn of thought to take nonetheless.
For now, here's a fascinating link with regard to age cycles and historical characters.
The End of the Kali Yuga in 2025: Unravelling the Mysteries of the Yuga Cycle

 

[SonofaBor]

'Prometheus (Ancient Greek, Προμηθεύς, “forethought”) is the Titan chiefly honored for stealing fire (knowledge) from the gods in the stalk of a fennel plant.

Did that plant get turned into paper? Did the paper have writing on it? Is that fennel plant The Bible?

My hunch: a code or codes, genetic codes and spiritual laws (codes). The spirit is encoded in discourses, formatted into each living being; the most basic being language which is (or was) promulgated and stored on paper. We are free to create so long as the code is not corrupted; individuals, likewise. Genetic manipulation of humans is nefariously widespread because the power seems to promise immortality (for the few and their kin) and more encasement in the laws/codes (for the remainder). However, as KD once speculated, when this gets outta hand and humans start creating other worlds (we're good at 2-D virtual stuff), the skylab crew/gods intervene.

Thanks for the mythological reference.

 

[CitoGaston]

The opening in the dome is what creates our firmament

Is this what Musk keeps aiming his SpaceX rockets at?

 

[greatscot]

I just noticed something.

1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Why did the Bible specify that the daughters of men were fair UNLESS it was implying that the sons of God/Fallen Ones were DARK? All of human history is just a war between the light and dark races. This is proof that multiethnic states will always devolve into tribal warfare. Multiculturalism is just the Strategy of Tension by a despotic regime

 

[Just]

I just noticed something.

Why did the Bible specify that the daughters of men were fair UNLESS it was implying that the sons of God/Fallen Ones were DARK? All of human history is just a war between the light and dark races. This is proof that multiethnic states will always devolve into tribal warfare. Multiculturalism is just the Strategy of Tension by a despotic regime

You’d have to check the original meaning of the word ‘fair’ here (as in the Hebrew word this is a translation from) because of course it can mean beautiful and a dark woman can be ‘fair’ in that sense.

 

[SonofaBor]

Multiculturalism is just the Strategy of Tension by a despotic regime

People love whom they love. Don't you agree?

 

[AntiSoof]

I just noticed something.

Why did the Bible specify that the daughters of men were fair UNLESS it was implying that the sons of God/Fallen Ones were DARK? All of human history is just a war between the light and dark races. This is proof that multiethnic states will always devolve into tribal warfare. Multiculturalism is just the Strategy of Tension by a despotic regime

ιδόντες οι υιοί του Θεού τας θυγατέρας των ανθρώπων, ότι ήσαν ώραίαι, έλαβον εις εαυτούς γυναίκας εκ πασών όσας έκλεξαν.

videntes filii Dei filias eorum quod essent pulchrae acceperunt uxores sibi ex omnibus quas elegerant

Lorsque les fils de Dieu virent que les filles des hommes étaient belles, ils prirent pour femmes celles qu'ils choisirent parmi elles.

When the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair, they took them wives of all which they chose.

Beautiful? A fair woman, a beautiful woman?

 

[Frostychud]

For plasma theory the main proponent is Jaydreamerz, someone I don't totally trust, in fact I'm sure he's a limited hangout but it doesn't change the fact he ties a lot together in ways I haven't seen anyone else does [...]

I'm interested in the idea of intelligent plasma so I watched a few of Jaydreamerz' videos.

First of all, I don't like watching videos. I can read the transcript of a one-hour video in ten minutes. I feel like these people are wasting my time by making videos instead of writing their ideas down. I am busy, I don't have ten hours to spend watching videos in which some bro in a backwards baseball cap uses video games as proof of his theories.

That's me being elitist and unfairly judgmental. America is a tough place to make a living these days. Videos are faster and easier to produce than articles or books. Live videos put you in real-time contact with your followers and create a sense of community. They are much easier to monetize. Independent researchers do not have the luxury of university funding, so they have to make a living somehow. Better to make lots of fun videos and get paid that way than work at McDonald's for minimum wage and spend all your free time writing long texts that almost no one will read.

Still, I'm just not going to watch all these videos, especially because they all seem to cover similar themes with no clear center. I gave Jaydreamerz about two hours of my time on 2x speed, so four hours of content, which is already a lot.

Actually, I was pleasantly surprised. I was initially drawn to the theme by some of the research I encountered in my "Temples and Churches as Radio Frequency Receivers" thread. Later I read Robert Temple's "A New Science of Heaven". I don't know if Jaydreamerz ever refers to this book or not, but if he doesn't, he needs to read it today. I don't know what the deal with Robert Temple is. He appears to be connected with a lot of high-level people in culture, science, entertainment, and government. I think he's a Rosicrucian. His website is very spooky. He's connected to old Jewish and aristocratic lineages. Several of his books deal with the theme of communication with otherworldly entities, always from a well-researched scientific perspective. In "A New Science of Heaven" he presents all kinds of fascinating information about plasma. He suggests that space is filled with gigantic, ancient plasma brains. He suggests that humans are plasma creatures and that our physical bodies are "printed" from plasma blueprints. If I remember correctly he believes that the plasma "up there" is separated from the plasma "down here". He doesn't go into all the speculative eschatological stuff that Jaydreamerz does. Actually, Jaydreamerz does a good job of bringing evidence to the table for his theories. There was a time when I was very interested in the Electric Universe ideas. I think they're probably correct that much of the old art we see depicted something seen in the sky. But something isn't right. The Electric Universe theories are too tied to standard chronology and standard astronomy. All the work that people like Velikovsky did to anchor their ideas to established science might turn out to be counterproductive in the end, because it just means their theories must fall with Scaligerian chronology and Einsteinian astrophysics. As I said, I kind of lost interest.

Jaydreamerz' vision feels closer to the truth somehow. Give the man credit, he has created quite a comprehensive theory, one that explains:

- medieval torture (in a plasma-saturated environment, it is very difficult to kill someone)

- knights' armor (designed for combat with the remnants of plasma "fantazoid" creatures that materialized when the Eye in the Sky opened, letting plasma rush in)

- the practice of leaving offerings out for spirits (real floating plasma creatures would eat the offering rather than attack the people inside the house), ditto for the blood smeared on the door in the Passover legend)

- the association of places of power with divinity and divination (conduits from which plasma inside the Earth escaped)

- the incredible variety of weird sea creatures (plasma entities that "fell" into our world and took refuge in the ocean to survive in their now-embodied form), and much more. Let me add, on the latter point, that Robert Temple (and others) have argued, in a serious scientific journal, that octopi come from outer space. Seriously:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0079610718300798

...and much more, probably.

In the roughly four hours of his content that I watched, I didn't "catch" Jaydreamerz saying anything stupid or suspicious. Actually, it's all fascinating and fits together very nicely. There's not a lot of proof, just a lot of circumstantial evidence, but then again, what possible form could "proof" take other than the Earth opening up and plasma shooting out of it? I mean, the existence of ball lightning alone (something that mainstream science recognizes but absolutely cannot explain) seems to constitute something like "proof" already.

So, I'd actually be interested in diving deeper into these ideas, but since I have no way of knowing which videos are about what, I will probably wait until Jaydreamerz writes a book or someone writes a good synthesis of his work here. Gold, thanks for the share, I found it very worthwhile.

 

[hzg7]

I'm interested in the idea of intelligent plasma so I watched a few of Jaydreamerz' videos.

Jay is interesting. I find myself watching his streams randomly out of entertainment and over time I've realized there is a "there" there. He does a really good job of dissecting movies and entertainment to show the plasma idea that's embedded into way more of them than you'd realize.

Thanks for the heads up on the book, I'm going to certainly check that one out.

 

[Researcher]

And there will be signs.....
Luke 21:25
Then there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars, and upon the earth trouble among the nations, with perplexity: the sea and the waters shall roar.

Frostychud..... - the association of places of power with divinity and divination (conduits from which plasma inside the Earth escaped)​

Okay, I might be off on the proper location of this information (if so - delete or move this) - however, plasma is here and now. I, on occasion, visit the FAA Camera sites. Over the last few years - the government has expanded the number of them (especially in California) - I digress..... However, if the signs in the "skies" and above and below is happening now - (especially in the South/SW directions) there is a lot of hidden - but in plain site one can see on the Camera Website (early morning and late evening is good - just click on a site) FAA WeatherCams

For example (and the camera shots change; I believe 1/2 half to an hour ;- so their "snapshot" of their location disappears if you don't save them. Here is your plasma: ( I have shots of "X" and "Stellar" type shots of the sun too - a lot is going on in the heavens - and we have NO Clue what it means)

 

[Researcher]

Okay, I will sneak in "X" marks the spot and the Stellar look-a-like....(And a Bonus)