Evidence humans were created and traded as slaves, food, entertainment and material resources (IHASFEMR)

Here's a meander around the etymology of the word "man". I'm not sure I'm really going anywhere with it, but it seems to touch on a lot of stuff in this thread.

*man- | Meaning of root *man- by etymonline
*man- (1)
Proto-Indo-European root meaning "man."
*man- (2)
Proto-Indo-European root meaning "hand."
designed as 'handy-men'?

man | Etymology, origin and meaning of man by etymonline
"a featherless plantigrade biped mammal of the genus Homo" [Century Dictionary], Old English man, mann "human being, person (male or female); brave man, hero;" also "servant, vassal, adult male considered as under the control of another person," from Proto-Germanic *mann-
I note it has both hero and servant embedded in the name.
Also, 'homo' means 'the same', which is fair description.... but its quite a detached way to describe one's own species. We don't apply 'homo' to other creatures, which must surely look more similar to us.

alderman | Etymology, origin and meaning of alderman by etymonline
alderman (n.)
Old English aldormonn (Mercian), ealdormann (West Saxon) "Anglo-Saxon ruler, prince, chief; chief officer of a shire," from aldor, ealder "patriarch" (comparative of ald "old;" see old) + monn, mann "man" (from PIE root *man- (1) "man").
Surely 'elder' also relates to this example usage of '-man'.

alemanni | Etymology, origin and meaning of the name alemanni by etymonline
name of a Germanic tribe or confederation from the Elbe River region that in late Roman times settled along the upper Rhine in Alsace and part of Switzerland, from Proto-Germanic \*Alamanniz, probably meaning "all-man" (see all + man (n.)) and likely denoting a coalition or alliance of tribes rather than a single group.

But on another theory perhaps meaning rather "foreign men" (compare Allobroges, name of a Celtic tribe in what is now Savoy, in Latin literally "the aliens," in reference to their having driven out the original inhabitants), in which case the al- is cognate with the first element in Latin alius "the other" and English else.

The defeat of the Alemanni by a Frank-led army at Strasburg in 496 C.E. led to the conversion of Clovis and the rise of Frankish political power. The Alemanni were absorbed into the Frankish Kingdom in 796. Not historically important, but through proximity and frequent conflict with the Franks their name became the source of French Allemand, the usual word for "German, a German," and Allemagne "Germany." In modern use, Alemannish, Alemannic refers to the dialects of modern southwestern Germany; Alamannic refers to the ancient tribes and their language.
Interesting historical info in etymonline.

german | Etymology, origin and meaning of german by etymonline
german (adj.)
"of the same parents or grandparents," c. 1300, from Old French germain "own, full; born of the same mother and father; closely related" (12c.), from Latin germanus "full, own (of brothers and sisters); one's own brother; genuine, real, actual, true," related to germen (genitive germinis) "sprout, bud," which is of uncertain origin; perhaps it is a dissimilation of PIE *gen(e)-men-, suffixed form of root *gene- "give birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.
'Germain' - like germinate? Gene? Are germans full men, ie genetically more pure?
 
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I just read this interesting article:
The Executioners Who Practiced Medicine - KnowledgeNuts

I want to pick out some quotes from it:
the executioner [had] an unarguably intimate knowledge of human anatomy, and from that came the knowledge of how to put back together what they spent their days taking apart. This led to the development of so-called "executioner medicine."
Plainly executioners are well placed to know about the human body.

(Perhaps this is a link we can still trace today, but in reverse. Doctors are meant to heal us, but are actually hurting us - via the administration of vaccines and midazolam specifically, and more generally via iatrogenic causes of death.)

This hanged man’s grease (also called "poor sinner’s fat") was fat taken from the corpses of hanged men. It was believed to work as a salve when applied to limbs suffering from lameness or restricted blood flow, arthritic joints, and it even aided in the mending of broken bones. It was, of course, a commodity that executioners had access to in quantity, and allowed many of them to work as pharmacists and apothecaries as well as doctors and surgeons.
Human body products, from a medical perspective. Interesting term - "poor sinner". The executioner has access to all he needs to start a well-stocked apothecary/pharmacy too!

In a 1662 manifesto, physician Johann Joachim Becher of Bavaria wrote that all apothecaries should keep an ample supply of no less than 23 types of human by-products in stock for the creation of different remedies. One of these—and perhaps the most important—was mummy, defined as the “menstruation of the dead,” or the blood of corpses.
In 1662, human body products should be in apothecaries apparently. Johann Joachim Becher certainly was not squamish in the harvesting of body products. And the most important of these products was "mummy"??! Is this liquor again?

The executioner as doctor was one of the few professionals who were allowed to cross the boundaries of the social hierarchy without stigma.
Well, if you don't want to have to get your hands dirty - you do need a go-between to get the bits you like.

I want to touch on the word 'mummy' a little more. Does the above give us a bit more insight into the word? This is the dictionary definition:
1a : a body embalmed or treated for burial with preservatives in the manner of the ancient Egyptians
b : a body unusually well preserved
2 : one resembling a mummy
(from Definition of MUMMY)

We are familiar with Egyptian mummies, and 'mummy' is also the word for mother in the UK.

I had never heard of it with regards to the 'blood of corpses' though. Perhaps the term has a longer history than we realise. I find the link to 'mother' interesting too. Something to ponder.

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Bonus word: 'carnival'
I have also think I have made a little breakthrough on the word 'carnival'.
Folk etymology is from Medieval Latin carne vale " 'flesh, farewell!' " From 1590s in figurative sense "feasting or revelry in general." Meaning "a circus or amusement fair" is attested by 1926 in American English.
(from: carnival | Etymology, origin and meaning of carnival by etymonline)

I'm in agreement that carni- relates to flesh, but I disagree on what the -val/-vale suffix stands for. Vale could be valley - I'm not sure it means 'farewell' too.

However, we do see 'val' in other terms. Eg in:
valor
c. 1300, "value, worth," from Old French valor, valour "valor, moral worth, merit, courage, virtue" (12c.), from Late Latin valorem (nominative valor) "value, worth" (in Medieval Latin "strength, valor"), from stem of Latin valere "be strong, be worth" (from PIE root *wal- "to be strong").
(from valor | Etymology, origin and meaning of valor by etymonline)

ad valorem
type of customs duties based on the market value of goods at the original place of shipment, 1711, Modern Latin, "(in proportion) to the value"
(from ad valorem | Etymology, origin and meaning of phrase ad valorem by etymonline)

value
c. 1300, "price equal to the intrinsic worth of a thing;" late 14c., "degree to which something is useful or estimable," from Old French value "worth, price, moral worth; standing, reputation" (13c.), noun use of fem. past participle of valoir "be worth," from Latin valere "be strong, be well; be of value, be worth" (from PIE root *wal- "to be strong").
(from value | Etymology, origin and meaning of value by etymonline)

I'm pretty certain that the suffix '-val' is derived from value and its Latin equivalents, not farewell or whatever.

So, a literal take of 'carnival' is "flesh-value". It sounds like a meat market. Why the celebration? Is it that the meat is celebrating nowadays? The meat is happy not to be on the platter?

I'm also amazed (and yet, not amazed) that etymonline doesn't make that connection! You'd think it was obvious, especially to their team of etymological experts!! Just an oversight, I guess..
 
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The abundance of English examples of child-eating Bogeymen on wikipedia is interesting, as well as the apparently universal nature of the story of child-eating troglodytes/demi-humans/societal outcasts that one must be wary of Bogeyman - Wikipedia

Like most people here, I tend to take folktales of these kinds as illustrative of real threats, presented in a memorable way. Someone must have been out there eating kids. (However, full disclosure: I'm not yet a parent myself and so I can't vouch for how appealing it may be to scare the hell out of your children by manufacturing fictional monsters.)

That's not to suggest that it was a universal practice. Some cultures may have simply echoed stories from other places. I know it's merely Wikipedia, but the cluster of English boogeymen makes me think that, at the very least, the incidents of cannibalism were either more common or more recently remembered in England.
 
I still think about this thread (the best speculative thread ever, imo) so have kept a collection of odds and ends to add to it. Its a mixed bag, but here's what I have recently bumped into that relates to it. Sorry its a bit of a mess, but I'm going to dump it here without much fuss.

Tunnels:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SDSKz_fCos

tunnels in Ramsgate - interesting footage (not sure about the commentary though)

Words:
Garden of eden, sounds like:
Garden of eating/eaten

Science:
Windows to the Soul: Pupils Reveal ‘Aphantasia’ – The Absence of Visual Imagination - Neuroscience News
Aphantasia (literal trans. 'without fantasy')
Summary: People who experience visual imagination have pupillary responses that optimize the amount of light hitting the retina and change in response to imagined items. This pupillary response does not occur in those with aphantasia.
that is talking about people whose visualisations aren't visual..... that they are creating a test for it. Are they creating a simple test, or is the test part 2 of the experiment where part 1 aims to debilitate visualisation? Could vaccines etc cause this sort of visualisation damage?

Tetrachromacy - Wikipedia
Aphantasia (literal trans. '4 colours') - but humans are trichromats (ie 3 colours)
Tetrachromacy is the condition of possessing four independent channels for conveying color information, or possessing four types of cone cell in the eye. Organisms with tetrachromacy are called tetrachromats.
Tetrachromacy sounds a bit like the switching off of certain abilities at a biological level.

Both these medical conditions (Aphantasia and Tetrachromacy) hint at the idea that we are a designed creature. It seems that (for the farmer) it would be ideal to turn off further parts of us. If entities that engineered humans for some reason, perhaps this is something they addressed.

Mega Theories:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7oVwGIAYeU
A bit of a broader take on what the control system may be. (2013)


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J96E6X_tsIY
Robert Monroe - the earth as a loosh farm

Cannibalism in the MSM:
The Gruesome History of Eating Corpses as Medicine
“The question was not, ‘Should you eat human flesh?’ but, ‘What sort of flesh should you eat?’ ” says Sugg. The answer, at first, was Egyptian mummy, which was crumbled into tinctures to stanch internal bleeding. But other parts of the body soon followed. Skull was one common ingredient, taken in powdered form to cure head ailments. Thomas Willis, a 17th-century pioneer of brain science, brewed a drink for apoplexy, or bleeding, that mingled powdered human skull and chocolate. And King Charles II of England sipped “The King’s Drops,” his personal tincture, containing human skull in alcohol. Even the toupee of moss that grew over a buried skull, called Usnea, became a prized additive, its powder believed to cure nosebleeds and possibly epilepsy. Human fat was used to treat the outside of the body. German doctors, for instance, prescribed bandages soaked in it for wounds, and rubbing fat into the skin was considered a remedy for gout.

I previously brought up the alternative use of 'mummy' here:
Evidence humans were created and traded as slaves, food, entertainment and material resources (IHASFEMR)

Blood was procured as fresh as possible, while it was still thought to contain the vitality of the body. This requirement made it challenging to acquire. The 16th century German-Swiss physician Paracelsus believed blood was good for drinking, and one of his followers even suggested taking blood from a living body. While that doesn’t seem to have been common practice, the poor, who couldn’t always afford the processed compounds sold in apothecaries, could gain the benefits of cannibal medicine by standing by at executions, paying a small amount for a cup of the still-warm blood of the condemned. “The executioner was considered a big healer in Germanic countries,” says Sugg. “He was a social leper with almost magical powers.”
^^ we've talked about all this too.
 
I still think about this thread (the best speculative thread ever, imo) so have kept a collection of odds and ends to add to it. Its a mixed bag, but here's what I have recently bumped into that relates to it. Sorry its a bit of a mess, but I'm going to dump it here without much fuss.

Tunnels:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SDSKz_fCos

tunnels in Ramsgate - interesting footage (not sure about the commentary though)

Words:
Garden of eden, sounds like:
Garden of eating/eaten

Science:
Windows to the Soul: Pupils Reveal ‘Aphantasia’ – The Absence of Visual Imagination - Neuroscience News
Aphantasia (literal trans. 'without fantasy')

that is talking about people whose visualisations aren't visual..... that they are creating a test for it. Are they creating a simple test, or is the test part 2 of the experiment where part 1 aims to debilitate visualisation? Could vaccines etc cause this sort of visualisation damage?

Tetrachromacy - Wikipedia
Aphantasia (literal trans. '4 colours') - but humans are trichromats (ie 3 colours)

Tetrachromacy sounds a bit like the switching off of certain abilities at a biological level.

Both these medical conditions (Aphantasia and Tetrachromacy) hint at the idea that we are a designed creature. It seems that (for the farmer) it would be ideal to turn off further parts of us. If entities that engineered humans for some reason, perhaps this is something they addressed.

Mega Theories:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7oVwGIAYeU
A bit of a broader take on what the control system may be. (2013)


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J96E6X_tsIY
Robert Monroe - the earth as a loosh farm

Cannibalism in the MSM:
The Gruesome History of Eating Corpses as Medicine


I previously brought up the alternative use of 'mummy' here:
Evidence humans were created and traded as slaves, food, entertainment and material resources (IHASFEMR)


^^ we've talked about all this too.



Much appreciation, feralimal, for keeping this thread alive.
 
Apologies if this has been answered previously in the thread, i'll go back threw and read properly after work.

Does anybody have the location or expected location of the Hertford and Royston tunnels that were mentioned earlier in the thread.
I live close by and want to go look for myself. I'll be sure to return with any pictures i take. Thank you.
 
Apologies if this has been answered previously in the thread, i'll go back threw and read properly after work.

Does anybody have the location or expected location of the Hertford and Royston tunnels that were mentioned earlier in the thread.
I live close by and want to go look for myself. I'll be sure to return with any pictures i take. Thank you.
Yep - I think its worth re-reading the thread and going through it in detail.

In this post:
Evidence humans were created and traded as slaves, food, entertainment and material resources (IHASFEMR)

there's a link to a pdf - it has a 'Tunnel Tales' section that might be interesting. One of the things it says is "these claims are unfounded". I would read that as "these claims are founded" ;) but that you are going to have to work a little harder to uncover them!
 
Just now, while studying an old map of New York (state), I realized that the only anagram one can make from Mercator is Cremator. Just wanted to share, as simple of an observation as that may be.

edit: duplicate word
 
feralimal said:
the best speculative thread ever, imo

and kd-755 said:
Its all speculation though.

Yes, this is a weakness of the thread. The speculation was helpful while I was writing posts - like talking out loud to help structure the material while I was still working through it:

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Clip from Mastery: How to Learn Anything Fast - Nishant Kasibhatla. Source

It has left several parts I'd like to update. Take the discussion with kd-755 about the worn steps of Swineshead cross. I suggested the cross' steps might have been the base of a well-used 'station' post - a gibbet for airship freight pick-up/drop-off. kd-755 said:
My take on that is the stones behind the stocks look to me to be well worn down presumably from use.

Another possibility is that stones were used for knife-sharpening. Perhaps while taking bids to redeem 'sinners' held in the stocks. A marketplace redemption story triggered by being accused of a crime or on reaching age 12. From Hidden East Anglia on March, Cambridgeshire:
The Stone Cross in March ... possibly marking the site of an ancient market in the original village...

children were told that, if they walked twelve times around the topmost step of the cross base, they would hear the Devil 'sharpening his knives' 1

1 Miss L. Morton of March: letter in the *East Anglian Magazine*, Vol.12, No.5, March 1953

At the time, sharpening as a cause for the wear seemed just too odd to me. Adult humans - and taller entities - would not usually stoop down that far to sharpen knives. For human-sized creatures using crosses as knife sharpeners, a more likely usage scenario comes from St John the Baptist church, Alkborough:
In front of the church can be seen the shaft of the churchyard cross which is very worn having for years been used as a sharpening stone.

In Hidden Lincolnshire, p10, Adrian Gray says:
The medieval cross in the churchyard was supposedly used by 'Parliamentarians' in 1643 to sharpen swords, though it is also possible that the damage was done by men sharpening their arrows ready for a Sunday's archery practice.

I don't think a year's worth of conventional Civil War weapons-sharpening around Alkborough would account for the reported thinning of Alkborough cross's shaft. The arrow-sharpening scenario may be more likely, especially if Alkborough was offering humans/hominids for target practice. The mounds and maze complex at Alkborough hints the site was in the humans-as-entertainment business.

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I said: "Run!" Source: Apocalypto (2006)

But that doesn't help us with Swineshead. Perhaps the butchers were short. Human children perhaps. Or some other butcher with knife-sharpening needs might account for the steps being worn in this way:

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Blemiya on misericord in the V&A, London. Source

From: V&A's caption for this image:
This scene shows the activity of threshing corn. It may have been copied from a calendar illustration. The monsters at the sides are a kind of 'blemya', a fantastic man-eating creature with no head and a face in his chest. The ancient Roman writer Pliny the Elder and later medieval travel books mentioned 'blemyae' as though they really existed.

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Face from wall grafitti at St Peter the Priory church, Thurgarton, Nottinghamshire

I'd also expand the range of possibilities for the origin of the word 'celt' and church'. I thought 'celt' was likely to mean 'killed' or possibly a hot plasma cutter. But 'celt' may come from the same root as 'keld', meaning 'warm' in Romance languages. Caldera, cauldron... And the enigma of Coldharbours.

feralimal said:
Bonus word: 'carnival'
I have also think I have made a little breakthrough on the word 'carnival'.

I'm in agreement that carni- relates to flesh, but I disagree on what the -val/-vale suffix stands for. Vale could be valley

There is a similar link between words associated with hills:

Mounds -> moot hills -> meet hills -> meat

Go through Georgian and Victorian antiquarian reports of mound excavations and you find many of those mounds have a lot of charring at the top, along with burned bones and pottery.

Many churches are - apparently - built on local high ground, the sites of former mounds. This is St Mary's, built on what's left of Holm Hill mound in Grimsby:

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Holm Hill remains beneath St Marys, Grimsby

From Moot Hills:
Many moot, "mote" or "mute" hills are known by that name today. Others have local names such as Court Hill, Justice Hill, Judgement Hill...

Further on, Moot Hills says some hills were called 'Cuthills', 'Couthill' and 'Cuthil'.

So, possibly the word 'church' has the same origin as 'judge'. As in 'Divine Judgement' and 'The Last Judgement'. You can catch a possible transition from 'judge' to 'church' - and from 'chop hill' to 'chapel' - at ToPhonetics. Type in:
judge church
and while we're at it:
chop hill chapel

Set the voice to 'english_wmids' (though 'english_north' also works quite well). Then hit 'Play'...

It doesn't rule out earlier speculation that the word 'church' has the same origin as 'char', but may extend our understanding of the organisational processes; the selection system involved.

Moot Hills then quotes Francis Grose's Antiquities of Scotland, 1797, about pairs of hills, one used for judgment and the other for execution:
...folklore, tradition and the association of separate 'gallow' places names with moot hills on balance suggests that the usual place of execution was a separate 'gallows hill'.

Reverend 'Abrahami Prym', in Diary of Abraham de la Pryme, p138 reports seeing pairs of mounds (also called 'buryes') while travelling along the Humber's south bank:
Not farr from this town (Burton on Trent) is two hills like butt hills, they say,
and
As you come to this town (West Halton) from Whitten there is two great burys, hollow on the top

A lot of English town names end with 'bury' or 'borough'.

Another regrettable example of speculation is my suggestion that some human muscles are so big they were likely designed to be cooked as steaks. In the Cannibalism thread.

Since I wrote that, I've spent hours reviewing videos of the human gluteous. I wanted to see why it is shaped the way it is. Turns out it reflects the structural challenges involved with humans being a truly bipedal load-carrier. Rump steaks were probably just a 'nice-to-have'. I would like to have shared the hard work of reviewing all those gluteous videos. Especially the difficult work of deciding which one best demonstrates the beauty of this engineering miracle. But that would have been a big ask for a history forum.

Plamski also made a good point in post-104562. The hybrid human/chimpig piece is too important to leave out of a thread about IHASFEMR. For readers who haven't grasped Eugene McCarthy's hybrid human theory, this thread is a lot to swallow.

So for all the above reasons I switched research to a format that lets me update older existing material. I'm not happy with the format but I'll snazz it up eventually.

If humans are an engineered creature then human intelligence must also be engineered. One implication is that, as creator(s) or management team, you are going to manage the information environment surrounding these engineered intelligences. Programming them. From cradle to grave.

If you follow that logic, then kids' programmes like In The Night Garden become very intriguing. Almost as intriguing as videos of the human ass. For example, you see the Moses/Noah/Havelock story set against Tartarian technology:

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Iggle Piggle goes to sleep. Source: In The Night Garden

Maybe In The Night Garden is programming our babies. Preparing today's infants for tomorrow's science curriculum.

The following sequence carries an intriguing payload for people who suspect airships go back further than we've been told:

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The Pinky Ponk. Source

Sane people see a mad TV programme. I see a Romanesque girl fond of Italian operetta, a naive, red-haired, woad-painted Briton, and an airship floating on fart gas.

It's even narrated by the man who played Claudius.

As creators/management team of an engineered intelligence, you're also going to pay attention to managing the information environment around the minds of those of your engineered intelligences that have realised they are engineered. And that have realised their information environment is engineered.

You watch them carefully sifting through the wash of data.

I eventually realised I didn't need to post publicly because these discoveries are visible at least as soon as I email or post them privately. Even perhaps as soon as I type. Internet monitoring is an old technology. Possibly, these discoveries are visible as soon as I find them. And even before - if, for example, they are being injected into my local information environment.

From my perspective as an engineered intelligence, there seem to be three dimensions of content to the wash of information. There's an orthodox narrative, a counter-narrative (which conspiracy theorists and the 'marginals' tend to focus on), and a third, humour-laden narrative. I could give examples but it would be indiscreet given the importance of current events. Presumably, the third narrative is enjoying the fun. As it should, IMO.

In Stolen History-style research, the third narrative sometimes appears quite serious and a fourth, more tenuous narrative seems to be having fun while hiding behind the third narrative. It's hard to characterise this because its presence is so tenuous - at least from where I am. Naturally, it's one of the things I'm scratching away at.

In Alternative Mega Theories feralimal said:
I'm glad to have contributed, and will continue to update it when I have something more.

Yes, thanks from me. Please, do keep it coming.
 
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Thank goodness you're alive and well, Usselo! :)

The entire 9 pages of IHASFEMR is wonderful.

I love the additional idea of Airships involved too!
And within that, the "Corpse Gas" idea is Genius:
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Yes, everyone who gets IHASFEMR: Please, do keep it coming!


I eventually realised I didn't need to post publicly because material is visible at least as soon as I email or post privately and even perhaps as soon as I type. It's just technology. Possibly, it's visible as soon as I conceive it.

Yes, Usselo, merely privately emailing/typing/thinking might let THEM (the engineers) see your most recent discoveries.

But Usselo, please remember: posting publicly is the only way to let US (the engineered) see your most recent discoveries.

So Usselo, please continue to share your ideas publicly, as your ideas might inspire future actual Revolutionary Action Output.
 
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I love the additional idea of Airships involved too!
And within that, the "Corpse Gas" idea is Genius:
Good point, thanks. I haven't compared the lifting abilities of fart gas versus putrefaction gases. I'm up for it but at the moment my living arrangements wouldn't tolerate it.

So, for those that can... The Pinky Ponk is a bloated gas-bag coloured lurid green with pink and yellow blotches:

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Green tinge just visible on my ex-wife's forefinger. Source

'Pinky Ponk' rhymes with 'Stinky Pong'. Remember, it's infant minds that hear 'Pinky Ponk'. They can do things with consonants that adults can't. Or won't.

Corpses begin to putrefy three days after death. After internal bacteria run out of their usual blood-borne food, the bacteria start to consume internal organs, starting with the pancreas and intestines. The putrefaction stage is marked by abdominal and facial bloating as the bacteria excrete:
A meat diet apparently speeds up production.

Bear in mind that I haven't researched which, if any, of these decomposition products is lighter than air. Nor how to make them, other than reading up on home methane digesters and poking around the garage for parts.
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"...a recurring pattern of inversion is significant." Source

Indeed.

I asked an archaeologist why urns are so often found inverted.

"To keep out the rain," she said.

I don't think so.

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Section through a Native American mound. Source: forgotten
So Usselo, please continue to share your ideas publicly, as your ideas might inspire future actual Revolutionary Action Output.
Done.
 
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Gratitude. :)

About the photo Usselo kindly posted, of a hand decomposing: hopefully readers realize it's just Makeup:
tinyurl.com/Makeup-portrayal-Decomposition

Still, hopefully readers also realize this high-level Human History topic sometimes requires graphic images.
Real graphic illustrations/photos/videos might appear here, or simply have links for the courageous to click.

This Hidden History of Intelligent Humans created As Slaves, Food, Entertainment and Material Resources:
is a mature topic which includes (yet-far-surpasses) the "Eugene McCarthy's Chimp+Pig Hybrid" realization,
requiring courage to observe our bodies and stocks/castles/churches/judge-hills/cut-hills/meat-mounds/etc.

So, hopefully everyone can be mature enough to understand: this may possibly be the ultimate Hidden History,
thus there is no need to avert our eyes or censor reality. Let's bravely observe and ponder: how can we be free.
We, who were engineered to be eaten by age 12 - still physically and mentally enslaved by cargo-cult remnants.

How can we use our tiny amounts of free-time to become self-sufficient and to enjoy slavery-free energy & food?
How can we cheaply put lighter-than-air gas into bags to fly high in the sky or at the very least: lighten our loads?
Imagine each backpack has its own small, cheap, lighter-than-air balloon which makes life easy: to walk/run/jump.
Now imagine such weight-reducing gas-balloons attached to all our transportation vehicles, reducing all fuel needs.
This is just one example of actual slavery-reducing freedom-increasing ideas being inspired by Usselo's ideas so far.
Here we are, the descendants of the engineered, pondering: are the descendants of the engineers still here in Earth?
We're still enslaved by company/government/hidden parasites. Are they still eating our bodies, or now just our labor?
Are current rulers of Concave-Earth just ultra-selfish humans successfully copying the no-longer-existing engineers?
Or are original engineers and their children still existing here, with lifespans of hundreds/thousands/millions of years?
I don't really know, I can just speculate, as Usselo is doing here and as Feralimal is doing on his Mega Theories thread.
 
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Sane people see a mad TV programme. I see a Romanesque girl fond of Italian operetta, a naive, red-haired, woad-painted Briton, and an airship floating on fart gas.
Lol :) So glad to see you back @usselo. I'm looking forward to seeing what you've got in store.

Meanwhile, I'll dump another lot of partially relevant miscellany here. :)

Some word bits:
The garden of Eden or the garden of eating?
Kindergarten - Child garden
Nursery - Where kids and trees are 'grown'
(I've a feeling some of these might have been mentioned already!)

Tunnel Info:
Rabbit hole in farmer's field leads to 'mystery caves'
According to local legend, the Caynton Caves, near Shifnal, in Shropshire, were used by followers of the *Knights Templar* in the 17th Century.
Their original purpose is shrouded in mystery, but Historic England, which describes the caves as a "*grotto*", believes they were probably built in the late 18th or early 19th Century - hundreds of years after the Templar order was dissolved.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maDTJsGgmD0

Rabbit Hole Leads To Medieval Templar Cave - Shropshire

Giants:
Väinö Myllyrinne - Wikipedia
He stood 224 cm (7 ft 4 in) and weighed 141 kg (22 stone; 311 pounds) at the age of 21, but experienced a second phase of growth in his late thirties, attaining a height of 251 cm (8 ft 3 in).

My memories about Uncle Väinö
The joints of Väinö’s feet were worn, and he had also diabetes, but still he hoped to improve his health. Romanian Anna Aslan had developed Gerovital, some kind of youth medicine. Väinö heard about that and decided to test it. It was impossible to buy the medicine in Finland, but Väinö’s sister Alli, living in Sweden, acquired Gerovital for Väinö. Väinö took the medicine for many weeks, but it was not helpful. Väinö felt more refreshed, but nothing else.

In autumn of 1962, Väinö fell flat on the front stairs outside the house while going out, and could no longer walk. Doctor Laine-Ylijoki tried to treat him at home, but after about two weeks, Väinö had to be driven to Töölö hospital in Helsinki. Väinö’s hip was fractured. The surgeons nailed the fracture together, but Väinö did not heal. He was carried from one hospital to another. He died at Sädehoitolaitos, a hospital mainly for patients who had cancer, on 13 April 1963. Väinö received radiation to his pituitary gland, apparently for an adenoma of that gland. *My father either never learned never told us the reason for Väinö’s death. I tried to find get the answer from the hospital in 2006, but they would not tell it even to the closest relatives.*

He had health problems because of the height ('worn feet'), but not serious ones like other giants with pituatary gland issues. He died at 54, not in his 20s. It sounds like the doctors may have had something to do with his death.

Its very interesting that he had a second phase of growth in his late thirties - perhaps this is how natural giants grew?

In all Vaino sounds far more like a "natural" giant. He was strong, served in the army, had no real health issues on account of his height. Unlike most of the other known tall people, he lived with his height in a normal way - was he a natural giant?

In other giants news, I have a personal debunk... I visited a house - it had been built in 2 parts. As I stepped into the house, I was amazed how high the ceilings were, how large the doors, how high the windows - I'm not short but I could hardly reach halfway up the sash window in order to open them. I then saw other parts of the house, these were more typical of a farmhouse. I asked about the house and about the high ceilings. Ancestors of the family that lives there still had built it. They explained that the typical farmhouse was built first, then the extension with the high ceilings. They also pointed out some old black and white photos they had framed on the walls, that showes the older farmhouse without the 'giant' extension. The owners themselves were tall, but not giants.

So, in that case, where I had a chance to get some more information, it did not support the thesis.

Misc, fun

View: https://youtu.be/OQPGZxj1bXk

Great video compilation of bone displays

Shock and fear amid South Africa cannibalism case
2017 article, detailing use of cannibalism in South Africa, as part of 'traditional healing'.


View: https://youtu.be/OQvt-gxbq5E?t=917

a man who eats roadkill comments on cannibalism - timestamped


View: https://youtu.be/tWsNfoiU-_4?t=88

UG Krishnamurti makes the point that monastries and prostitutes go together - timestamped


Yes, this is a weakness of the thread. The speculation was helpful while I was writing posts - like talking out loud to help structure the material while I was still working through it:
PS - I said 'speculative' not in any pejorative sense - I meant this as a statement of reality. We can't know what happened, so by necessity any ideas have to be speculative. The main point for me, is that the evidence should lead the theory - this thread is attempting to put together a mega-theory of how we came to be where we are. I think the exploration of the theory and evidence is valid.
 
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Rabbit hole in farmer's field leads to 'mystery caves'
According to local legend, the Caynton Caves, near Shifnal, in Shropshire, were used by followers of the *Knights Templar* in the 17th Century.
Their original purpose is shrouded in mystery, but Historic England, which describes the caves as a "*grotto*", believes they were probably built in the late 18th or early 19th Century - hundreds of years after the Templar order was dissolved.

From Rippingale, Lincolnshire:
Methodism began in Rippingale about 1817 due to influences from Aslackby

What kind of influences? The Rippingale page doesn't say. Presumably the influences were promoting Methodism or some proto-version of Methodism. I haven't researched Methodism but I expect it was promoted as some more responsible worldview than the relative freedom-of-thought that seems to have come in (for a short while) after the end of pre-1651 foodal 'Catholicism'. Relatedly, Quakerism also seems to have developed just before Methodism and have been very against the use of church structures (because they associated churches with the Devil) before becoming more tolerant of church services.

What the Rippingale page does say is:
  • When Methodism in Rippingale: 1817. And:
  • Where it came from: Aslackby.
From The Torrington Diaries (Abridged), published 1954, edited 1934, and allegedly written in 1791:
at Aslackby, somewhat out of the Aslackby road, stands a turreted building, call’d the Temple, from being I suppose, part of a preceptory belonging to the Knights Templars, 28 and of such places I know several bearing this name.

28 Aslackby was the preceptory of the Knights Templars about the time of Henry II to 13 24.

Byng writes about Aslackby as though the buildings and their Templar residents had gone by the time of his visit in June 1791. But the 'Knights Templar' seems to have continued long after it was dissolved (in around 1312). Earlier posts in this thread about Hertford have (now-broken) links to some evidence that it continues today. And I've speculated that the 1642-1651 English Civil War was a climactic (literally) battle in a war between the Templars/Lords/Lairds and some other power, with humans as the lucky beneficiaries.

So perhaps it is possible that the belief system (actually an economic system) that preceded the Civil War, tried to get another foothold after defeat.

Similarly, there is evidence that a switch from natural furniture created from bone, moss, wood and tree roots, upholstered with fabrics made from horse and human hair... to furniture that monopolised cotton, wool and wood was more or less complete by 1791 but the old ways were still reappearing.

Byng's account of his visit to vicar Wolley Jolland's Louth 'hermitage' on pp363-364 of The Torrington Diaries (Abridged) can be read as an example of the old ways coming back. Jolland built a grotto. He built it by the late 18th century. Visitors Byng and Col' Bertie discussed how it might be marketed as a sort of living museum. More on Jolland here.

Jolley's hermitage build-date is more or less co-temporal with Historic England's view of Caynton. Perhaps tendrils of the previous regime lingered on. Specifically, its skill-set and its desire for 'a living'.

The Lincolnshire 'stuff' balls held to promote wool (and apparently to create more children) - see earlier in this thread - also took place around the same time as Byng visited Lincolnshire. The idea that wool needed promoting in this way tells you that three resources were needed at that time:
  • warm clothing
  • children
  • new habits around new fabrics.
The hair mill post earlier in this thread obliquely hints that choice of raw materials for fabrics was in transition. Reading this thread, it's not hard to see what it was transitioning from and to.

Summary: Theological thought changed and the resources used for production changed. Both changed very recently - in the 16th and 17th centuries apparently. But odd physical and theological 'constructions' continued into the 18th and 19th century. Presumably these were eventually reformed in the (alleged) 1812 events and 1914+ events.

Giants:
As I stepped into the house, I was amazed how high the ceilings were, how large the doors, how high the windows - I'm not short but I could hardly reach halfway up the sash window in order to open them.
Sounds like an ideal location for lighter-than-air gas experiments.

PS - I said 'speculative' not in any pejorative sense - I meant this as a statement of reality. We can't know what happened, so by necessity any ideas have to be speculative. The main point for me, is that the evidence should lead the theory - this thread is attempting to put together a mega-theory of how we came to be where we are. I think the exploration of the theory and evidence is valid.
Thanks. Actually, I had guessed the various posts calling the thread speculative or too true, etc, were just various users trying to manage the shock new readers might feel when confronted with it all. I didn't feel perjorated by that particular claim. I'm more bothered about not having perpetual editing rights, which is why I shifted to a format where I control editing.

The following is the kind of thing I would add to the 'pairs of hills' post above if the 'edit' window was still open. Dumping it here illustrates how the linear nature of chat forums scatters evidence as evidence accumulates. I mentioned pairs of hills, one for judgement and the other for execution. I gave explanations from Moot Hills plus a couple of Byng accounts of hill pairs from the south bank of the Humber. Another came my way this morning:

From Victoria History of the County of Bedford, page 10 about two low hills east of Sandy, Bedfordshire:
A considerable quantity of sepulchral remains, pottery, and coins have been found from time to time in a field called ' Chesterfield ' lying to the east of the village, between two small hills on which are remains of earthworks, popularly known as ' Caesar's Camp' and 'Galley Hill,' about three-quarters of a mile apart

Given that peer review and academic journals are a progress-impeding pile, there needs to be a format for publishing investigative work that allows sharing and perpetual review/editing. I'm not thinking of the open science model though. I'm looking for a wholly different publishing and maintenance model. Something that allows a reader to say: what is the latest on lighter-than-air corpse gases? And to consume the answer quickly. Which means abandoning linear and text-heavy publishing models.

Zotero is the closest I've found to a method for 'stashing' evidentiary artifacts like the above in a shareable way. But it's not open enough for me. So I'm playing with git repositories and a separate front-end for publishing conjectors and conclusions in a quick-to-absorb way,
 
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I'm looking for a wholly different publishing and maintenance model.
Do you have a clear idea of what that would be? Without a clear vision, I suspect its one of those things that can never be perfect.

I'm personally a fan of going as far as possible with something, and when I find I've reached a block then re-think it all and start again. Although it seems a burden to re-start everything, discarding it all is also quite liberating - it allows you to hone in on whatever you thought was most interesting. So, I continuously tear it all up and start again. You still have the old as a reference. So, I don't mind a simple text editor.

But obviously you have your own ideas. I'd be interested to hear what you have in mind - probs the people around here would be interested too given they manage research too. It would be great to have the main themes, best research, etc, naturally 'bubble up' and have a 'contents page' functionality automatically available, with little effort or continuous sifting of data, nor a big commitment from the reader. It would be great to get the idea at a glance and then delve deeper if you are interested. Perhaps this is what you thinking of? Which sort of lends itself to a tree structure, or graph of associations... But that's quite a hard (slightly scary!) task. Amazing if you got it right, of course.
 
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Do you have a clear idea of what that would be? Without a clear vision, I suspect its one of those things that can never be perfect.
Quite clear. Not complete.

Philosophically:
  • Enable content from much more diverse sources than academia currently does.
  • Automate what is automateable.
  • Pay attention to what engages and what disengages. Act accordingly.
I'm personally a fan of going as far as possible with something, and when I find I've reached a block then re-think it all and start again. Although it seems a burden to re-start everything, discarding it all is also quite liberating - it allows you to hone in on whatever you thought was most interesting. So, I continuously tear it all up and start again. You still have the old as a reference. So, I don't mind a simple text editor.
I'm with you on that: iterate your way to a workable solution (be agile, fail fast and all that). This is easier if there is no commercial goal of course.
But obviously you have your own ideas. I'd be interested to hear what you have in mind - probs the people around here would be interested too given they manage research too. It would be great to have the main themes, best research, etc, naturally 'bubble up' and have a 'contents page' functionality automatically available, with little effort or continuous sifting of data, nor a big commitment from the reader. It would be great to get the idea at a glance and then delve deeper if you are interested. Perhaps this is what you thinking of? Which sort of lends itself to a tree structure, or graph of associations... But that's quite a hard (slightly scary!) task. Amazing if you got it right, of course.
It's too early to claim it's finished. I'm iterating... There may be several levels of perfect and each level may change with technological advances and as the viewership's understanding develops. Here's what I've got so far. Some principles first, so we're sure we're looking at the same terrain.

I'm assuming a three-part publishing model:
  1. Content production: (research, writing, finding/preparing imagery and video, explanatory tools (eg, maps, diagrams))
  2. Editing: too complex to summarise here so summarised a bit below.
  3. Publishing: rendering the final content to a consumable form
Unpacking each of those parts:

1. Content production: content should be unique where possible but is therefore more time-consuming and work-heavy. Its challenges call for human creativity. The 'unique' requirement sometimes interferes with quality and scheduling. So, quality and scheduling challenges call on human flexibility for solutions.

2. Editing: This is a complex one but I suspect a lot of editing could be automated with, for example, online tools. Not all though. So editing can be only be semi-automated.

3. Publishing: must be automated. A reliable, computer-handled rendering of content-assemblies into consumable, enjoyable, shareable content.

These three parts are very different from each other (and within 'Content Production', text production and editing is very different to image/video production and editing). Taken together though, this model invites the standard approach for implementing automation:
  • Use human creativity and flexibility in the unpredictable part: content production.
  • Automate the predictable parts of editing; retain human intervention for the unpredictable parts.
  • Automate all publishing.
Editing is a tricky one to discuss in any concise way. So let's try. Some parts of editing are easy-ish for computers: spelling, punctuation, possibly grammar and syntax. Translation is semi-automatable so why not also publish in the most widely-spoken languages?

But 'editing' also encompasses tone, 'look' and the use of juxtapositions to create implications, irony, humour, surprise and delight. The gibbet post uses a number of juxtapositions; the decomposing hand post uses two examples, one obvious, the other fractionally less obvious. These are much harder to automate. Maybe silicon AI can do it now. I don't know.

So that's the terrain.

This IHASFEMR thread - and its earlier posts in the Cannibalism thread - moved from text-heavy posts to mixed text- and video-heavy posts. One reason was that videos are more engaging than images, which are more engaging than text. Sure, history geeks like history text. But for anyone else, moving images and static images grab more attention quicker, and are more likely to be shared.

This holds true no matter how witty or erudite your text.

Any publishing model has to build this in if it is to compete for attention. In practice it means: turn content into small, preferably visually impact-full chunks that users choose to interact with or not.

I began to prototype a content-production and publishing system to test these ideas. It doesn't fully implement all the above, but it does implement what I could create with my strengths and with my weaknesses and in the time I've put into it so far.

Once it had enough content to be presentable, I showed it to a couple of younger people. I wanted to see what they cared about that was missing and what they didn't care about that was present.

Predictably, they had little interest in reams of text (though history students that are safely protected from academia might be interested in irreverant, long-form text). They enjoy short video clips like this one:

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Operetta offended John Byng's German sensibilities. Source: In The Night Garden - Daisy's Big Loud Sing Song

They enjoy irreverance, preferably iconoclastic irreverance - delivered as video and images. This is useful feedback about what constitutes engaging content that viewers are happy to share among themselves (ie, make viral).

They are much happier with symbols and images for navigation than text. So they appreciate a clickable image carousel much more than my attempts at wryly humourous headlines. I hadn't anticipated that.

The implication is that image creation, selection and linking is way more important than mastery of English and headline-writing. Very contrary to traditional 'serious' publishing.

I've only just started asking for feedback but it's already clear that text should be used to hold pieces of content together rather than to dominate the content. Text as glue rather than as content.

Now, tools...

For the presentation side - the bit viewers see:

They remark with surprise about the speed of it (on their smartphones) over a data link (ie outside where there is no high bandwidth WiFi). How was speed achieved? By minimising javascript in rendering and instead using CSS wherever possible. This goes against the current default practice, which is unquestioned use of JS frameworks to cut effort, costs and risks.

For the content production side:

Diverse content production - eg from non-academics and non-historians and non-English-speakers - requires distributed content assembly and production. For the text part of my experiment, that means using git or similar. Writers don't have to learn much to use git to contribute. Git is great for any diverse, distributed group working on text-as-content and text-as-glue. But today 'diversity' includes a new participant: computers. Computers get git naturally because git was written for them. So the publishing model I'm looking at needs git because with git, computers can automate version control (and other technical aspects of production and publishing).

You must know where I am going next: markdown. Content production and editing in markdown reduces inconsistencies and enables computer mediation of text (both of text-as-content and text-as-glue). Computers can read markdown, which means markdown enables automated and semi-automated editing in a way that binary content formats such as .docx, etc, can't.

However, not everyone is happy with a text editor. The prototype I'm working on uses Obsidian as the content editor. But I use vim with the content too. You can use whatever editor you want - as long as it can handle markdown. Obsidian and vim are interchangeable for me but for most people Obsidian would be more fun to use. Especially for reviewing written work and links.

I think I outlined to feralimal in a private message some months ago how RoHT is auto-published by a 'git push'. The prototype I'm currently working with uses a variant of the same. It's a bit technical so I won't go into it here but feralimal can share it if it's useful. I will say that captions for images, videos, maps and diagrams are a publishing standard. Sometimes italicised. But markdown does not support captions. I coded caption support into my system. It took about two hours to write and test. So, although markdown doesn't support captions, the consistency of markdown made it easy to add caption support elsewhere in an automated publishing process.

I'm currently adding mapping (Leaflet) and diagramming. Mapping checks the 'visual not textual' box and enables location-based user interactivity.

As the discussion about Ewaranon shows, video is where information publishing is at. Graphics aren't my skillset so I clip videos with ffmpeg - as often demoed in this thread. But the reality is: animation and video creation skills are now a must-have.

If I could create animations, I would have said all the above in a short cartoon. :)

Returning the thread to IHASFEMR... and the association of crosses and churches with the Devil...

As in post-114599 above, we find another example of how reaching a certain number - this time 13 - makes the Devil appear at a church. From Akenham, Suffolk:
Walking anticlockwise around the church of St Mary thirteen times is said to be a sure way to make the Devil appear.1

1 The Paranormal Database

Why did 17th century Quakers oppose the (re)building of churches?

From The Diary of Abraham De La Pryme, the Yorkshire Antiquary, published 1870, allegedly written around 1697, second footnote on p140:
Ye quakers are ... mighty backward to pay anything of dues to ye churches.

...awhile ago I was with ye pious and learned Mr. Tho. Place, Winterton, who told me, that when he began at first to build and repair that church, that there met him suddenly in the street a grave old long-bearded quaker, who accosted Mr. Place thus : ' Thou Place, (says he) I have a message to thee from God, who commanded me to tell thee that thou must desist in going out this work of the devil, ye repairing of ye steeple-house of this town ! ' And then ye quaker stamped at him, and denounced several woes against him if he did go on.

Why does so much East Anglian folklore support this Quaker's point of view? At this Hidden East Anglia page, we see folklore frequently associates the Devil with churches, most often claiming the Devil had a lot of say in where churches were built.

As if the Devil were the lord of the manor.
 
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