SH Archive Is "Flat Earth" a PsyOp?

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Mavis said:
To quell the flat earth theory once and for all, read the Cosmic Forces of Mu by James Churchward. Starting on page 51, the force of gravity is explained.
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The fact that no curvature is ever found during survey destroys gravitational theory . There is no attraction to the supposed centre of Earths mass as demonstrated by all plane survey.

Also in the link I gave the guy is a bit of a fibber. His 12km length of measure statement does not make sense when applied to an area of 250 square km .It should read 16km+ for a square that area or nearly 18km for a circle of the same.

Nit-picking really,seems to me just an attempt at bending (or curving) the truth or making it a bit more palatable.

The actual amount of missing curvature is around 20m to 25m (66feet to 80feet).

Old pre-decimal survey books give quotes for areas of 100sq mls - a tad more than 250sq km .

Globe model is the post reset psyop imo. The biggest lie possible it seems to me.
 
FarewellAngelina said:
The fact that no curvature is ever found during survey destroys gravitational theory . There is no attraction to the supposed centre of Earths mass as demonstrated by all plane survey.

Also in the link I gave the guy is a bit of a fibber. His 12km length of measure statement does not make sense when applied to an area of 250 square km .It should read 16km+ for a square that area or nearly 18km for a circle of the same.

Nit-picking really,seems to me just an attempt at bending (or curving) the truth or making it a bit more palatable.

The actual amount of missing curvature is around 20m to 25m (66feet to 80feet).

Old pre-decimal survey books give quotes for areas of 100sq mls - a tad more than 250sq km .

Globe model is the post reset psyop imo. The biggest lie possible it seems to me.
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Well put...I like that you said the Globe is a post reset psyop.
 
FarewellAngelina said:
The fact that no curvature is ever found during survey destroys gravitational theory . <-- Bad explanation. Good observation --> There is no attraction to the supposed centre of Earths mass as demonstrated by all plane survey.
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Please, show me how that explanation is relevant to that observation

Maybe you could also take a stab at the questions I posted earlier? What is the shape of the flat Earth when seeing from the side? What happens on the downside, beneath our feet?
Just said:


Really? Why would it be impossible? Whatever shape the earth is, there can always be lands / tunnels / entities below us. No FE adherent believes the earth is flat as a pancake 😂 If there are other entities mingling with us on this plane(t) they don’t seem to have been seen so far so whatever alteration of reality they have used up to now is working pretty well without having to create a whole ‘globe earth / flat earth’ psy-op to convince us. Just start to question everything you have been told until you have good reason or compelling evidence to believe it. That would be a start.
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How thick is the flat Earth do you think?
The "pancake" circumference is well measured at 40,000 km at the "equator", if I remember correctly. So, to the outsider the Earth will look like a cylinder then?
 
Why does anyone who believes they know the shape of the earth need to defend that belief by attacking anyone who believes otherwise?

Is the belief that shaky it cannot stand on its own merits?
This thread like all the others on earth shape descend into the same arguments that never get resolved which cannot be good for stolen history the forum.

If anyone has any experiential evidence and I do not mean maths or theories ancient or modern I mean personal experience which shows the earth they and I walk in has a shape to it post it to put an end to this nonsense.
If you don't then go find some and stop boring the arse off people.
 
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Jd755 said:
If anyone has any experiential evidence and I do not mean maths or theories ancient or modern I mean personal experience which shows the earth they and I walk in has a shape to it post it to put an end to this nonsense.
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The best experiential (or testable) theory I am aware of, is what Del at beyond the imaginary curve is presently expressing.

His idea is that the effects of what we call gravity (a mystical force that no one can confirm) is also represented by acceleration (and deceleration) a force that is plainly existent and that one can easily test. His position is that the whole 'earth' is moving 'up', so when you drop something what you see is that object decelerating, rather than gravity pulling it down. He also uses experiments to show that deceleration (not gravity) is in effect - dropping bottles of water, and showing that air and liquid go into stasis (not subject to gravity) when in freefall.

All that doesn't explain what is moving the earth, what shape it is, though.

This is his channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvswlgeHodOejVN21TWweLw
 
feralimal said:
The best experiential (or testable) theory
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Did you miss this bit?
Jd755 said:
If anyone has any experiential evidence and I do not mean maths or theories ancient or modern I mean personal experience
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What have you experienced?
For myself I have seen nor felt anything that suggests the earth has a shape.
I know from practical experience, observation and experiment;
Contained liquid water always presents a level surface.
No man made infrastrucre takes a curve into account.
There is only a push force in this reality.
The horizon is a visual feature of the eye and brain.
Liquid water does not rise up to meet a descending sky.
Objects moving away from me on the same plane disappear from bottom up.

That's it and none of it gives any clue to a shape or indeed limit to earth which I define simply as the place where life lives.
 
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Jd755 said:
Did you miss this bit?

What have you experienced?
For myself I have seen nor felt anything that suggests the earth has a shape.
I know from practical experience, observation and experiment;
Contained liquid water always presents a level surface.
No man made infrastrucre takes a curve into account.
There is only a push force in this reality.
The horizon is a visual feature of the eye and brain.
Liquid water does not rise up to meet a descending sky.
Objects moving away from me on the same plane disappear from bottom up.

That's it and none of it gives any clue to a shape or indeed limit to earth which I define simply as the place where life lives.
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I agree with that. I think what I'm saying is that there may be more information yet to be gleaned, and that some of it may be useful.

The experiment is that if gravity is in play and we have water and air in a container, and the container itself is in freefall, the water and air should still be subject to gravity and the water should move to the bottom. However, this does not happen - the air and water go into stasis while the container is in freefall. This indicates that there is deceleration not gravity in play. This is useful information as the existence of acceleration and deceleration (the same force) are not in dispute and easily experienced, but no one can demonstrate gravity. If that's right, and he is able to explain reality without gravity, that's interesting.

I hope that explains the idea, and how one can test it. You can also see videos of these sorts of tests on his channel. However, I'm not interested in defending his position - I'll let him do that on his channel (you can also email him, I think).

I'm making the point that there is some interesting, testable stuff that is there, that has a bearing on the earth shape. I don't think it gives us an answer to the shape. Perhaps 'flat' works best as the container/earth would only need to be moving in one direction ('up') for deceleration/'gravity' to be experienced by all. However, on this thesis, we are within the container, and cannot know what is outside. It's akin to being on a moving train carriage with no windows.
 
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I watch a fair bit of that chaps stuff. Just so you know.
He too has no idea what shape the earth has or if it has one and is also as clueless about what it is as I am.

We have direct experience, observation and experiment as the tools and thought or rather imagination as the mystic so too speak that uses the tools to establish what is likely to be going on.
It is far and away easier to establish what is not going on.
Water in liquid and vapour form in a sealed container always settles as vapour over liquid.
Ice formed on liquid in vapour in a sealed container sits between the two sealing each off from the other until it is broken up by shaking or melting. It becomes liquid but doesn't displace either vapour or liquid.
Milk bottles left on the step in a bad frost so they freeze meant the frozen milk used to force the foil cap off on occasions. In doing so the ice moved above the container into the vapour. The foil could not take the pressure the ice put on one side of it and the vapour pressure on the other side of it was lesser than the ices. When the milk was liquid the foil could easily cope with the pressure of the liquid no matter which way the bottle was held.
Air under pressure of as low as ninety psi forms ice as it leaves its pressurised container that melts and becomes liquid then vapour. I used to work on compressed air systems and have sat and watched it transform as if by magic.
The idea there has to be a container of liquid ice and vapour is just that an idea.
Interesting for sure but as you say does nothing to suggest shape.

What would pass muster as evidence for shape would be travelling beyond the lands and waters we are told are known and using our tools to experience what we find.
In daily lived life there is nothing to suggest shape. We have to move our bodies physically to a place where shape ends so too speak if there is a container to be found we cannot find it sitting on our arses tapping screens.
 
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I don't think flat earth is a psyop, but I do think it's misrepresented, particularly in the model that often accompanies it. I live in Australia and when I first came across FE stuff several years ago I found many of the arguments logical and compelling. That is, except with regard to the model that was suggested with it. The sun's path (particularly in Aussie summer) didn't line up with their model, and time zones didn't add up.
 
I'm with you there. Gleasons' AE map seems to have been thrust upon us as being a sort of real flat earth map. It's actually just the globular view flattened out and not how the flat earth should be represented. Part of the globe psyop I would term that.

Could you provide some info on the problems you mention please ,when you have time . Thank you.
 
Apollonius said:
Flat Earth is one of the biggest discrediting projects ever. Its aim is to discredit conspiracy theories and make people who are interested in conspiracy theories "loony".

For example:

Apollo: I think the Moon and other space travels are fake.

Alex: Did you take your meds? I bet you believe in Flat Earth too.

This is the point you have to understand.

There is no a single evidence of Flat Earth. Much of the evidence presented by the Flat Earthers has been debunked. A few con-artists are still pushing this to make money.

A person who does not entrust his logic to someone else knows that the Earth cannot be flat.

Flat Earth is a psychological operation, nothing else.
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A person who does not entrust his logic to someone else knows that the Earth cannot be a sphere.

Heliocentrism is a psychological operation, nothing else.

Fixed that for ya
 
Seven823One said:
@FarewellAngelina and @Just

I still would like to hear your opinion/ideas on how the "flat Earth" looks from the side...
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My opinion would have to based upon known scientific survey and measurement :

Giovanni Cassini carried out a survey of meridian over 8 degrees in length from Perpignan in the South to Dunkirque in the North in the late 17th century.

Tasked by the French Academie of Science in order to test Newton's theory of gravity which predicted the earth would be an oblate spheroid and should result in degrees of latitude lengthening from the South to the North . At the time Earth was said to be a perfect sphere and degrees of latitude would be equidistant.

A straightforward though lengthy in time (over 20yrs+) triangulation along the line of meridian from the Pole star - who's light rays would be assumed to be parallel due to it's distance form earth

He found that latitude shortened towards the North by roughly 1/800 - trouble for both models and Newtonian gravity.

Checked and re-checked the age of enlightenment ,or brainwashing shuddered to a halt. Theorists v empirical practical astronomers .

Of course the theorists win the debate by ignoring the truth , which is why one is never shown where we can measure the curve .

So basically our plane is impossible to view from the side - we might be part of something much larger but we are limited by the magnetic field and the light from the sun - maybe it curves up or down at some distance from the equinoctial . We are not allowed to visit either pole.

Some books outlining the controversy ,

Smoot's Ear , Full Meridian of Glory , The Mapmakers Wife , The two chaps who surveyed the Mason/Dixon Line - all written by globe believers who between them give an overall reasonable view of the methods and the scientific details.

Have to go ,sorry
 
FarewellAngelina said:
We are not allowed to visit either pole.

Some books outlining the controversy ,

Smoot's Ear , Full Meridian of Glory , The Mapmakers Wife , The two chaps who surveyed the Mason/Dixon Line - all written by globe believers who between them give an overall reasonable view of the methods and the scientific details.

Have to go ,sorry
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Yes. Visit Disneyland not the Poles.

The psyop is to shift from revelation of the method to a demonstration of their power to flip the narrative.

Release the truth then censor it again. With "divide and conquer" added.

Or. They almost lost control of their control invention; the worldwide web.



View: https://www.bitchute.com/video/eVyWxir3XD63/

Visual evidence from a private experiment. Slightly longer version on yt.

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More inquiry:
Aerial Circumnavigation of Antarctica Flight Plans of Globe vs. Flat Earth ... which led to http://www.iskcon-truth.com/bhu-mandala/jambudvipa/sailing-to-jambudwipa.pdf
 
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Friend o mine , amateur astronomer for over 40 yrs , showed me his newest scope . Fitted his old goto thingy to it. Goes straight to the desired object to be viewed .

" Don't you ever wonder why all these nebulae and galaxies are still in the same place?" I asked .

His head nearly exploded , frothed at the mouth ,spittle flying everywhere while he bellowed "conspiracy , flat earther and so on."

Very comical at first then a bit sad to realise that the brainwash was so deeply rooted . That heliocentric crap really has such a hold on peoples minds.

Must be tough being a scientist when your livelihood depends on not questioning things .
 
FarewellAngelina said:
Friend o mine , amateur astronomer for over 40 yrs , showed me his newest scope . Fitted his old goto thingy to it. Goes straight to the desired object to be viewed .

" Don't you ever wonder why all these nebulae and galaxies are still in the same place?" I asked .

His head nearly exploded , frothed at the mouth ,spittle flying everywhere while he bellowed "conspiracy , flat earther and so on."

Very comical at first then a bit sad to realise that the brainwash was so deeply rooted . That heliocentric crap really has such a hold on peoples minds.

Must be tough being a scientist when your livelihood depends on not questioning things .
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That is sad. I've noticed the yelling of "conspiracy theory!" sounds almost like a mayday!mayday! of panic.

Tragic actually.

Makes me appreciate those who don't panic.

Ahh...life under the DOMe...
 
FarewellAngelina said:
The fact that no curvature is ever found during survey destroys gravitational theory . There is no attraction to the supposed centre of Earths mass as demonstrated by all plane survey.

Also in the link I gave the guy is a bit of a fibber. His 12km length of measure statement does not make sense when applied to an area of 250 square km .It should read 16km+ for a square that area or nearly 18km for a circle of the same.

Nit-picking really,seems to me just an attempt at bending (or curving) the truth or making it a bit more palatable.

The actual amount of missing curvature is around 20m to 25m (66feet to 80feet).

Old pre-decimal survey books give quotes for areas of 100sq mls - a tad more than 250sq km .

Globe model is the post reset psyop imo. The biggest lie possible it seems to me.
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What I find interesting about flat earth subject is the psychological operations bit. Whether it is true or not still holds valid arguments either direction. Has the spirit of propaganda. I find it more interesting figuring out why people divide over it and if the division has a big flat or round booty
 
The psychological operation bit is subtly ingrained into the mind from infanthood - it's the father of all sigh-ops. Any idea which does not follow the given narrative becomes a conspiracy and is lumped beneath the FE banner. Easy way to control the population - which in reality controls its itself since it has been conditioned to do so.

It's fun sometimes to watch peoples reaction when I mention the plain that we live upon, as surveyed. Or the celestial dome - the correct scientific term that describes what we see when we look up. Fills me with despair at times since most folk cant be arsed looking for themselves.
 
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