The different history of the Roman Empire
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Appearance in these pictures is not that important as even in European engravings the Chinese are depicted as Caucasoids. It is enough to look at their clothes. As you can see, their costumes resemble those of Muscovites. But after Mahmud the II, their uniforms now resemble the ones the French would wear.
Russians also dressed in French-like costumes in those times, but Muscovites or Tartarians continued to wear oriental costumes. See Napoleon and Alexander. And the Tartarian flag on the right.
Look at how moscovites are dressed
I'm not very familiar with the history of the Ottomans so idk
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It is easier to fool people than to explain to them that they have been fooled
I have to contradict you. Appearances matter. Contemporary (to those times) matters. We are being lied to.
They are telling you that Red is Black and you believe them.
With all due respect dear sir - and no offense intended - you might be in the wrong place. We are here to try and discern the real truth about our past among all the lies and falsehoods we have been fed, and to try and make sense of those things that make no sense at all or why they exist at all in the first place.
You however, seem to be on a quest to defend the official narrative.
Have a nice and sunny day.
PS: They look Caucasian also in "original Turkish" portrait miniatures.
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For anyone interested here's the Seven Prince Electors of the Holy Roman Empire (mid 14thcentury):
Coats of Arms (left to right , first image): Cologne, Mainz, Trier - Ecclesiastical Princes. Count Palatine, Duke of Saxony, Margrave of Brandenburg, King of Bohemia - Secular Princes.
Coats of Arms (left to right , first image): Cologne, Mainz, Trier - Ecclesiastical Princes. Count Palatine, Duke of Saxony, Margrave of Brandenburg, King of Bohemia - Secular Princes.
I am defending the official narrative by claiming the race or phenotype (I mistakenly said appearance) of a person in these portraits doesn't matter much and what they wear is more important?
Yes the ugly were portrayed as good looking and the fat as lean. "Photoshop"
Because "they" don't know the truth either.
Look, I don't trust these paintings at all. Most of them are fake anyway.
If you want to imply ottomans weren't "turkic," then I agree. My original claim was that they weren't really muslim and islam as we know today was different back then or didn't even exist (during the ottoman era). We don't know who were the first "turkic" speakers all of the "turkic" speakers speak the language which was not native to them in the past. "Turkicness" is also fake.
Anyways
I was writing a post about the fall of great tartary and why some european (mainly French and Russian soldiers) have similar uniforms, and I just noticed that the Ottomans as well changed their uniforms to French-like ones as well, why? It's surprising tbh. I haven't studied the ottomans specifically but now I think the time has come.
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On that theme -
Wikipedia shows this image for Charles V (left) and his successors Philip II, Philip III, Philip IV, Charles II.
Pretty standard stuff.
Now if you look at the Lineages of Incan Rulers and Spanish Leaders, from the Larco Museum in Lima, Peru -
The depiction of Charles V (centre right) and his successors doesn't match the "official" pictures.
(This picture is from the Larco museums site)
Someone visited this museum and posted a picture of the painting on her blog: Larco Museum, Lima — Heather Jasper
If the official pictures of Charles V and his successors are false, this calls into question all official pictures of their predecessors, parents and children - and probaly a whole lot more.
Here is the official picture of Charles V's predecessor Maximilian I (left) and his family; with his son Philip the Fair, his wife Mary of Burgundy, his grandsons Ferdinand I and Charles V (centre, black hat), and Louis II of Hungary.
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Do you see that little sheep the five Charles en Philips have on their chests? Sheep? Who are they herding? (rhetorical question)
Paintings must be studied very carefully, because every (!) detail speaks for the insider. People are always vain, and that often betrays them.
In such important old paintings, every detail, shape, pose, medal, colour, animals, cages, and so on, speaks volumes. It seems that people in the past didn't consider the later times when these paintings became known to a wider audience.
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Interesting, it represents the Order of the Golden Fleece.
I noticed it in one of the pictures I've shared previously:
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I made a couple of posts over on the Solomon in Spain thread that relate to a building I brought up earlier in this thread, the Church of Saint-Pierre et Montmartre. It also goes into Montmartre, Saint Denis and multiple Lazarites. I would like to hear any ideas you all have regarding these topics.
Post in thread 'Was the temple of King Salomo in Spain, Part 03' Was the temple of King Salomo in Spain, Part 03
Post in thread 'Was the temple of King Salomo in Spain, Part 03' Was the temple of King Salomo in Spain, Part 03
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I have sadly not had the time to continue my research for this thread, but I hope to return soon (lots of partially worked-out ideas). I just wanted to share something that Donald Trump said in his speech to the Knesset today. I had to go back and listen a second time to make sure I heard right.
"This long and difficult war has now ended. Some people say 3,000 years, some people say 500 years. Whatever it is, it's the granddaddy of them all."
It's not quite clear what war he's talking about in the context, but it seems to be the war of Israel against its enemies. Later he says something confirming this:
"The God who once dwelled among his people in this city still calls us in the words of Scripture, the turn from evil and do good to seek peace and pursue it. So, he still whispers truth into the hills and knolls and valleys of his magnificent creation. And he still writes hope into the hearts of his children all over the world. And that is why even after 3,000 years of pain and conflict, the people of Israel have never given up from the threats of Zionism, from all sorts of threats."
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So he IS talking about the origin of Judaism.
Trump just told the entire Israeli government that some people think they have only existed for 500 years.
For some reason, whoever wrote this speech wanted the US president to dogwhistle (actually it's more than a dogwhistle) the chronology discussed in this thread in a speech in Jerusalem. I have no idea what it means, but there were several moments when Trump seemed to be issuing veiled threats to Netanyahu. Could this be translated as: "We all know you're lying about your history and I'm not afraid to refer to it in public if you get out of line"? I hesitate to post this because this thread is NOT a place to discuss politics or current events. But it seems worth noting that we have what looks like confirmation from TPTB that the chronological realignment we discuss here is taken very seriously by people in power. As far as I can tell, this is a very niche field, at least outside of Russia (?), and I doubt that more than 1% of the population is even familiar with recentism. I bring that up because it means that there is no real reason for Trump to flatter/court/dogwhistle such an insignificant group of "conspiracy theorists". (Presidents and high government officials constantly hint at alien contact and UFO's, for example, which I take to be a psy-op directed at the gullible lower classes, a large percentage of whom believe in cartoon aliens.) This suggests his target audience is indeed the people he is addressing and not domestic voters watching the speech at home.
"This long and difficult war has now ended. Some people say 3,000 years, some people say 500 years. Whatever it is, it's the granddaddy of them all."
It's not quite clear what war he's talking about in the context, but it seems to be the war of Israel against its enemies. Later he says something confirming this:
"The God who once dwelled among his people in this city still calls us in the words of Scripture, the turn from evil and do good to seek peace and pursue it. So, he still whispers truth into the hills and knolls and valleys of his magnificent creation. And he still writes hope into the hearts of his children all over the world. And that is why even after 3,000 years of pain and conflict, the people of Israel have never given up from the threats of Zionism, from all sorts of threats."
Trump Israel Hamas Hostages Gaza | Rev
So he IS talking about the origin of Judaism.
Trump just told the entire Israeli government that some people think they have only existed for 500 years.
For some reason, whoever wrote this speech wanted the US president to dogwhistle (actually it's more than a dogwhistle) the chronology discussed in this thread in a speech in Jerusalem. I have no idea what it means, but there were several moments when Trump seemed to be issuing veiled threats to Netanyahu. Could this be translated as: "We all know you're lying about your history and I'm not afraid to refer to it in public if you get out of line"? I hesitate to post this because this thread is NOT a place to discuss politics or current events. But it seems worth noting that we have what looks like confirmation from TPTB that the chronological realignment we discuss here is taken very seriously by people in power. As far as I can tell, this is a very niche field, at least outside of Russia (?), and I doubt that more than 1% of the population is even familiar with recentism. I bring that up because it means that there is no real reason for Trump to flatter/court/dogwhistle such an insignificant group of "conspiracy theorists". (Presidents and high government officials constantly hint at alien contact and UFO's, for example, which I take to be a psy-op directed at the gullible lower classes, a large percentage of whom believe in cartoon aliens.) This suggests his target audience is indeed the people he is addressing and not domestic voters watching the speech at home.
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This is a big deal, no doubt.
Here is a historically minded account of the speech by Mike King.
He misses the 500 year remark. (He is a pretty standard historian in this regard). But he does examine the historical and political context and import.
In any case, I don't want to derail this thread, either. This thread is probably right for discussion.
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Regarding Intel and their possible role in the historical criticism community, I have long assumed that the superiority of Russian authors in the field is due to Russian intelligence agencies goosing the process after the fall of the USSR. When the first SH site appeared in 2018, an entire library's worth of good research already existed in Russian. For example, I have just seen the post by @MaziarMohajer linking to a work by Grishin and Melamed called "The Medieval Empire of the Israelites", published in 2005! Here we are breaking our heads, trying to figure this stuff out on our own, and some guy in Russia wrote an entire book about it twenty years ago. It's next on my reading list.
Case in point, I am currently halfway through Flavio Barbiero's "The Secret Society of Moses", in which he argues that the descendants of Moses were the original high priests of Israel, and that they later wrote themselves out of the Bible and inserted a (demonstrably) false genealogy going back to the "brother" of Moses, Aaron (today's Levites trace their ancestry to Aaron, not Moses). They did this in order to rule from the shadows with no threat of blowback. Barbiero goes on to argue that Josephus Flavius was a descendant of Moses, and that after the sack of Jerusalem in 70 AD he and his branch of the priesthood (the highest, Mosaic branch) betrayed the Jewish hoi polloi and joined up with Rome. This was done through the creation of a secret society, Sol Invictus Mithras, which ran Rome from the shadows and orchestrated its eventual conversion to Christianity, an exoteric creed invented by the Mosaic priesthood for the purpose of controlling the masses. (Remember as well Freud's thesis that Moses was an Egyptian.) In other words, the descendants of the Mosaic priesthood were not exactly "Jews", but rather practitioners of Greek/Egyptian occultism who originally attached themselves to the Jewish people and used them as their first test subjects. (This dovetails nicely with Philippe Wajdeman's thesis in "Argonauts of the Desert", which is that the Bible was written by the Platonic Academy, using Greek mythology, as a social engineering experiment whose goal was the creation of an artificial people based on the "rational" principles set out in Plato's "Laws". After their successful test run with the Hebrews ended in the destruction of the Temple (I now think this really happened, just not how, when and where they say), they decided to up the stakes and try again on an even bigger scale, with the Roman Empire as their front organization (which, as Tamanksy and others have shown, actually occurred in the 15th-17th centuries).) Barbiero is not a chronological revisionist but it's not too hard to calibrate his ideas to the revised chronology discussed here.
Is "Josephus Flavius" -- the cornerstone linking the fake Bible to fake Roman antiquity -- a nom de plume used by the Mosaic/Platonic priesthood who wrote it all?
Anyway, the connection with Intel is the following. Barbiero is a retired admiral in the Italian navy. He betrays a familiarity with the structure and initiation rituals of Freemasonry on a high level. He talks about the fact that high-level positions in the military have, since the days of Domitian, always been controlled by members of the Secret Society of Moses. He argues that the Pannonian Flavian dynasty of the 2nd-4th centuries is so-called because they secretly traced their ancestry back to Josephus Flavius, himself a descendant of Moses (officially there is no connection between Josephus Flavius and the Pannonian Flavians).
Do you see it? I laughed when I realized that the author of the book is named FLAVIO Barbiero and that he is an admiral in the Italian navy. He's all but telling us that he is a high-level Freemason and Flavian (and descendant of Moses) himself. Now, it's possible that the conclusion we should draw is that he is therefore not to be trusted. But I think it is also possible that he simply wants the truth to be known about his illustrious ancestry. In any case, we can suppose that someone with such a profile has a better chance than some random professor of having access to real historical information. In other words, there is no way for us to know if he is a truth-teller or a deceiver, but we CAN logically presume that he at least knows the truth himself...
Case in point, I am currently halfway through Flavio Barbiero's "The Secret Society of Moses", in which he argues that the descendants of Moses were the original high priests of Israel, and that they later wrote themselves out of the Bible and inserted a (demonstrably) false genealogy going back to the "brother" of Moses, Aaron (today's Levites trace their ancestry to Aaron, not Moses). They did this in order to rule from the shadows with no threat of blowback. Barbiero goes on to argue that Josephus Flavius was a descendant of Moses, and that after the sack of Jerusalem in 70 AD he and his branch of the priesthood (the highest, Mosaic branch) betrayed the Jewish hoi polloi and joined up with Rome. This was done through the creation of a secret society, Sol Invictus Mithras, which ran Rome from the shadows and orchestrated its eventual conversion to Christianity, an exoteric creed invented by the Mosaic priesthood for the purpose of controlling the masses. (Remember as well Freud's thesis that Moses was an Egyptian.) In other words, the descendants of the Mosaic priesthood were not exactly "Jews", but rather practitioners of Greek/Egyptian occultism who originally attached themselves to the Jewish people and used them as their first test subjects. (This dovetails nicely with Philippe Wajdeman's thesis in "Argonauts of the Desert", which is that the Bible was written by the Platonic Academy, using Greek mythology, as a social engineering experiment whose goal was the creation of an artificial people based on the "rational" principles set out in Plato's "Laws". After their successful test run with the Hebrews ended in the destruction of the Temple (I now think this really happened, just not how, when and where they say), they decided to up the stakes and try again on an even bigger scale, with the Roman Empire as their front organization (which, as Tamanksy and others have shown, actually occurred in the 15th-17th centuries).) Barbiero is not a chronological revisionist but it's not too hard to calibrate his ideas to the revised chronology discussed here.
Is "Josephus Flavius" -- the cornerstone linking the fake Bible to fake Roman antiquity -- a nom de plume used by the Mosaic/Platonic priesthood who wrote it all?
Anyway, the connection with Intel is the following. Barbiero is a retired admiral in the Italian navy. He betrays a familiarity with the structure and initiation rituals of Freemasonry on a high level. He talks about the fact that high-level positions in the military have, since the days of Domitian, always been controlled by members of the Secret Society of Moses. He argues that the Pannonian Flavian dynasty of the 2nd-4th centuries is so-called because they secretly traced their ancestry back to Josephus Flavius, himself a descendant of Moses (officially there is no connection between Josephus Flavius and the Pannonian Flavians).
Do you see it? I laughed when I realized that the author of the book is named FLAVIO Barbiero and that he is an admiral in the Italian navy. He's all but telling us that he is a high-level Freemason and Flavian (and descendant of Moses) himself. Now, it's possible that the conclusion we should draw is that he is therefore not to be trusted. But I think it is also possible that he simply wants the truth to be known about his illustrious ancestry. In any case, we can suppose that someone with such a profile has a better chance than some random professor of having access to real historical information. In other words, there is no way for us to know if he is a truth-teller or a deceiver, but we CAN logically presume that he at least knows the truth himself...
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After listening to his speech, my conclusion was similar to yours, but the question to me is why now?? Why would he hint at a very specific topic (considered probably uncanny for everyone who never questioned anything ever) and small number of researchers in a moment of political, economical and societal turmoil?
Every president selected for their puppet roles has to kiss the wall and bow, poking them in such a way is so out of script. Interesting times we're living......
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It might sound crazy, but i'm thinking that every country who has heavy fasces symbology was under an influence network from this "roman empire".
Symbols are not random, as an example here's a french currency bill from the time of the revolution. Fasces and a bottom center Black triangle, can't be more obvious
Symbols are not random, as an example here's a french currency bill from the time of the revolution. Fasces and a bottom center Black triangle, can't be more obvious
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It’s a good book. I found a copy on the internet archive. I’ll go post this over in that thread as well.
Archive link: The Medieval Empire of the Israelites - missing appendices - by Robert Grishin Vladimir Melamed : Robert Grishin and Vladimir Melamed : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
Pdf link:
https://dn720002.ca.archive.org/0/i...pendix)_-_Robert.Grishin_Vladimir.Melamed.pdf
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Here are photos of Chapter 19 of Flavio Barbiero's "The Secret Society of Moses". He's not a chronological revisionist, but otherwise his thesis is quite congruent with Tamansky's, and as I mentioned earlier, it's not too difficult to recalibrate his dating. Here he argues that Judaism and Catholicism were not so different until 1553, which is pretty much what Tamansky says. Barbiero sees them as literal cousin religions, with the secret society of Sol Invictus Mithras mediating between them.
I'll add that the parts of the book that describe the underground continuity of the secret priestly organization in Europe between the fall of Rome in the late 5th century and the events of 15th century are the weakest parts of the book. This makes sense considering that those years never occurred and the history that has been plugged into that gap to fill it up is a combination of fabricated events and artificially antedated events that have been cut out of their original integrated context.
Excellent read.
I'll add that the parts of the book that describe the underground continuity of the secret priestly organization in Europe between the fall of Rome in the late 5th century and the events of 15th century are the weakest parts of the book. This makes sense considering that those years never occurred and the history that has been plugged into that gap to fill it up is a combination of fabricated events and artificially antedated events that have been cut out of their original integrated context.
Excellent read.
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Sorry, but I'm confused by the posts.
Everything is very well written, but the information is something like:
"Trying to fit the Santa Claus fable into the Easter Bunny calendar and match to Sleeping Beauty events."
No offense intended, I'm just curious why?
Because as our friend @OKKorral precisely said:
"We're here to try and discern the real truth about our past among all the lies and fabrications we've been fed, and to try and make sense of those things that don't make sense at all or why they exist at all in the first place."
History must be based on real-world, reality. It must have simple, concrete evidence.
Our official history is the most ridiculous fabrication of lies, cheap and pathetic lies.
Did the Roman Empire exist? No, the but Roman Church Empire existed and continues to exist.
The fact that the Roman Church Empire exist doesn't make its stories true, like Julius Caesar, a fake character.
All the majestic buildings, palaces, and churches were built by our civilization. We can not to build anything on the same level. There are many theories and sample techniques, but no buildings have been built that that proves otherwise. We don't even have the creativity to design something like that.
All wars are fake, and WW1 and WW2 were used to justify the scarcity of people and huge cities built entirely with zero population. Part of the city was in ruins, with a level of destruction that no weapon or device can even manage today. And whatever happened was a long time ago, not "recent" as the Deceiving Doctors write history.
The false narrative is repeated throughout the world. Typical scripts.
All the cities were found and not built. All the "old world" buildings were also found, but at the same time, they tell us it were built in a completely unrealistic timeframe. Start with a competition was opened, and the chosen architect was a fictional person with an absurd biography, disconnected from his parents (death is the favourite choice), poor, who never studied architecture, but was magically chosen to build the most important build of the city. Like for example the one in Australia, his first work was the Melbourne Public Library, 145,657 square feet in one year, 1854. This was the first of dozens of other buildings attributed to him. Then always have the fire narrative and reconstruction or destruction that never happened.
We all live under maritime law, and 99% of the population has no idea what it is. We live in a slave system called Democracy and Finance. Under psychological warfare and mind control.
Evolution, Native Americans, Julius Caesar, Tutankhamun, Moses, the magical man who is coming to save you, Christopher Columbus, Space, Shakespeare, Napoleon, the Founding Fathers, the Civil War, WW1, WW2...
All lies and lies
So I’m curious to understand what is going on
Everything is very well written, but the information is something like:
"Trying to fit the Santa Claus fable into the Easter Bunny calendar and match to Sleeping Beauty events."
No offense intended, I'm just curious why?
Because as our friend @OKKorral precisely said:
"We're here to try and discern the real truth about our past among all the lies and fabrications we've been fed, and to try and make sense of those things that don't make sense at all or why they exist at all in the first place."
History must be based on real-world, reality. It must have simple, concrete evidence.
Our official history is the most ridiculous fabrication of lies, cheap and pathetic lies.
Did the Roman Empire exist? No, the but Roman Church Empire existed and continues to exist.
The fact that the Roman Church Empire exist doesn't make its stories true, like Julius Caesar, a fake character.
All the majestic buildings, palaces, and churches were built by our civilization. We can not to build anything on the same level. There are many theories and sample techniques, but no buildings have been built that that proves otherwise. We don't even have the creativity to design something like that.
All wars are fake, and WW1 and WW2 were used to justify the scarcity of people and huge cities built entirely with zero population. Part of the city was in ruins, with a level of destruction that no weapon or device can even manage today. And whatever happened was a long time ago, not "recent" as the Deceiving Doctors write history.
The false narrative is repeated throughout the world. Typical scripts.
All the cities were found and not built. All the "old world" buildings were also found, but at the same time, they tell us it were built in a completely unrealistic timeframe. Start with a competition was opened, and the chosen architect was a fictional person with an absurd biography, disconnected from his parents (death is the favourite choice), poor, who never studied architecture, but was magically chosen to build the most important build of the city. Like for example the one in Australia, his first work was the Melbourne Public Library, 145,657 square feet in one year, 1854. This was the first of dozens of other buildings attributed to him. Then always have the fire narrative and reconstruction or destruction that never happened.
We all live under maritime law, and 99% of the population has no idea what it is. We live in a slave system called Democracy and Finance. Under psychological warfare and mind control.
Evolution, Native Americans, Julius Caesar, Tutankhamun, Moses, the magical man who is coming to save you, Christopher Columbus, Space, Shakespeare, Napoleon, the Founding Fathers, the Civil War, WW1, WW2...
All lies and lies
So I’m curious to understand what is going on
Did the USSR fall? The USSR never fell. The USSR expanded worldwide, if you live in the Western world. Assuming you live in France, your country is one of the pillars. Completely under the control of the USSR, which is nothing more than of "the chosen ones" control. All of Europe, as well as all of America, be it North, Central or South, is under orders and governed by law and the hanging of the same and the local population in open attack, intensely imposing the process of demoralization and normalization. The USSR was never Russian, and I agree with you on the superiority of "the chosen ones" authors using the deception agencies using their deception agencies around the world kgb, cia, mi5,mossad… all of them are nothing more than a facade, they are all military.
Anyone who presents a work titled "The Medieval Empire of the Israelites" is a professional deceiver. I have already said and will always say, they do not have the capacity to invent anything new, only to steal and invert something made by someone else.
Just by the title I can show it is a deception. And the origin, where it was stolen from.
The word Medieval was invented in what we call the 1800s. It is compal of two words. From Latin medium "the middle" (from *medhyo- "middle") + aevum "age" (from *aiw- "vital force, life; long life, eternity"). Aiw is the camouflage of Aiu, that the "doctors" call Proto-Indo-European (Irish of course) root meaning "vital force, life; long life, eternity."
And since it was the Irish/Aryans who introduced civilization to all the peoples of the entire world, this Irish word is the source for:
Sanskrit ayu- "life;"
Avestan aiiu "age, life(time);"
Greek aiōn "age, vital force; a period of existence, a lifetime, a generation; a long space of time," in plural, "eternity;"
Latin aevum "space of time, eternity;"
Gothic aiws "age, eternity,"
Old Norse ævi "lifetime,"
German ewig "everlasting,"
Old English a "ever, always."
When I see or listen the world Medieval instantly comes to my mind “mad and evil”
Israelites - There never was a place called Israel, so anyone claim be from there is just a liar.
So the Medieval Age, also called the Middle Ages or the Dark Ages, is the 1,000 years added to our false history from what we refer to as 476 AD (I love the precision scholars have in dating) to 1450. If you want to know details about why there are no records of these 1,000 years, research it and you'll read the most ridiculous excuses.
It's therefore clear how this Empire of fictional characters in a fictional era never existed, and all this "work" is just another lie, a deception to deceive people.
LOL
That's right, folks, why stay here looking, researching for yourself? You don't need to waste time thinking and searching about this, when "the chosen ones" there in Russia have already written an entire book and figured it out for you.
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Let me get this straight. Your argument appears to go something like:
This book was written by Russians, one of whom has a Jewish name, so they're KGB agents. Also, the etymology of the word medieval is fake and actually based on an Irish word. Therefore, we know that no such thing as a medieval empire of the Israelites ever could have existed, and there's no reason to read the book or even allow one's curiosity to be piqued by the titular claim. QED
There isn't a single book or author in this field that is beyond suspicion, from Fomenko to Tamansky to Korben Dallas to anyone posting here. Does that mean we shouldn't read anything?
Are deceivers who are incapable of inventing anything also incapable of inventing deceptive systems of economic exploitation and then paying artists to dress them up with cool statuary? Because that's what "empires" are.
Friend, if you thought your idea through to the end, namely that "Jews" have been ruling the world for a long time (an idea which I basically share), you should logically come to the conclusion that there must have been a moment in history when that imperium was established. It might therefore be fruitful to explore the possibility that this empire once exercised its dominion openly, in one way or another. How else do you explain the fact that their law makes up 80% of the book that went on to dominate all of Europe? Why do tribes in Nigeria practice a scapegoat ceremony nearly identical to the Jewish Yom Kippur ritual? Why does the tomb of Pope Julius II feature statues of Moses, Rachel, and Leah but no Jesus? Why do Shinto shrines in Japan follow the exact same layout as the Jewish Tabernacle? Why does the Greek myth of Phrixus resemble the Biblical story of Abraham and Isaac? You seem to believe that all of our old cities were found empty and repurposed. Okay, that still begs the question. Who made giant sculptures of Moses like this one in Rome (1588) after overthrowing the previous civilization? When did they do it? Come on, let's get concrete, I want a rough date, a builder, a construction technique, and a reason for choosing precisely this figure. Please, no cop-outs like "the parasites caused it to materialize when they invaded this realm after the last reset".
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If you really believe that benevolent Irish civilizers were usurped at some point by wicked Jews, an idea everyone here is open to, shouldn't you be interested in precisely how, when, and where it happened? And if you know, tell us (but in the relevant thread that is, not here, please).
Here we are breaking our heads, trying to figure this stuff out on our own, and some guy in Russia wrote an entire book about it twenty years ago. It's next on my reading list.
Go back and reread this claim of mine that caused you to LOL, with your paranoia turned down a notch this time. Do you really think I meant, "Okay guys, we can finally stop speculating, turn off our brains, and simply feast on this delicious Soviet Jewish propaganda"? Or does it make more sense that I was suggesting something more like: "By digesting as much relevant prior research as possible we can avoid wasting our time reinventing the wheel"? This thread centers around the ideas of Alexander Tamansky (have you read his book? Or maybe you know he's a deceiver because he's Russian?) showing that the religion of the "Roman Empire" was proto-Judaic before becoming Christian.
Okay, let's say you don't believe in the "Roman Empire" as it has been taught to us. Fine, call it "the occult Jewish empire hiding behind the fake Roman empire". It doesn't change anything. You still have to engage with concrete texts and concrete artifacts and explain them. You still need to explain who invented these precise fictional characters, when they invented them, and why. Tamansky offers us a reading that obviates the need for any kind of deus ex machina to explain how we got from 1500 to today. I like theories that do not require me to bridge factual gaps with metaphysical hypotheses.
The tentative hypothesis I am working with is something like: the fictional Old Testament was written by a group of Hellenized Jews affiliated with the Platonic Academy sometime around the 15th century, and then used to herd people around the world into a system of economic exploitation. I believe that this is when the big Reset happened, and when the lies began. I have no idea what came before that. Right now I'm just trying to reconstruct a coherent story that leads from that Moses statue to 2025, because I suspect we have enough clues to be able to do so. I do not think we have enough clues to figure out what happened much earlier than that, which is where more metaphysical speculation must begin. That's important too, but here are other threads for that.
This book was written by Russians, one of whom has a Jewish name, so they're KGB agents. Also, the etymology of the word medieval is fake and actually based on an Irish word. Therefore, we know that no such thing as a medieval empire of the Israelites ever could have existed, and there's no reason to read the book or even allow one's curiosity to be piqued by the titular claim. QED
There isn't a single book or author in this field that is beyond suspicion, from Fomenko to Tamansky to Korben Dallas to anyone posting here. Does that mean we shouldn't read anything?
Are deceivers who are incapable of inventing anything also incapable of inventing deceptive systems of economic exploitation and then paying artists to dress them up with cool statuary? Because that's what "empires" are.
Friend, if you thought your idea through to the end, namely that "Jews" have been ruling the world for a long time (an idea which I basically share), you should logically come to the conclusion that there must have been a moment in history when that imperium was established. It might therefore be fruitful to explore the possibility that this empire once exercised its dominion openly, in one way or another. How else do you explain the fact that their law makes up 80% of the book that went on to dominate all of Europe? Why do tribes in Nigeria practice a scapegoat ceremony nearly identical to the Jewish Yom Kippur ritual? Why does the tomb of Pope Julius II feature statues of Moses, Rachel, and Leah but no Jesus? Why do Shinto shrines in Japan follow the exact same layout as the Jewish Tabernacle? Why does the Greek myth of Phrixus resemble the Biblical story of Abraham and Isaac? You seem to believe that all of our old cities were found empty and repurposed. Okay, that still begs the question. Who made giant sculptures of Moses like this one in Rome (1588) after overthrowing the previous civilization? When did they do it? Come on, let's get concrete, I want a rough date, a builder, a construction technique, and a reason for choosing precisely this figure. Please, no cop-outs like "the parasites caused it to materialize when they invaded this realm after the last reset".
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If you really believe that benevolent Irish civilizers were usurped at some point by wicked Jews, an idea everyone here is open to, shouldn't you be interested in precisely how, when, and where it happened? And if you know, tell us (but in the relevant thread that is, not here, please).
Here we are breaking our heads, trying to figure this stuff out on our own, and some guy in Russia wrote an entire book about it twenty years ago. It's next on my reading list.
Go back and reread this claim of mine that caused you to LOL, with your paranoia turned down a notch this time. Do you really think I meant, "Okay guys, we can finally stop speculating, turn off our brains, and simply feast on this delicious Soviet Jewish propaganda"? Or does it make more sense that I was suggesting something more like: "By digesting as much relevant prior research as possible we can avoid wasting our time reinventing the wheel"? This thread centers around the ideas of Alexander Tamansky (have you read his book? Or maybe you know he's a deceiver because he's Russian?) showing that the religion of the "Roman Empire" was proto-Judaic before becoming Christian.
Okay, let's say you don't believe in the "Roman Empire" as it has been taught to us. Fine, call it "the occult Jewish empire hiding behind the fake Roman empire". It doesn't change anything. You still have to engage with concrete texts and concrete artifacts and explain them. You still need to explain who invented these precise fictional characters, when they invented them, and why. Tamansky offers us a reading that obviates the need for any kind of deus ex machina to explain how we got from 1500 to today. I like theories that do not require me to bridge factual gaps with metaphysical hypotheses.
The tentative hypothesis I am working with is something like: the fictional Old Testament was written by a group of Hellenized Jews affiliated with the Platonic Academy sometime around the 15th century, and then used to herd people around the world into a system of economic exploitation. I believe that this is when the big Reset happened, and when the lies began. I have no idea what came before that. Right now I'm just trying to reconstruct a coherent story that leads from that Moses statue to 2025, because I suspect we have enough clues to be able to do so. I do not think we have enough clues to figure out what happened much earlier than that, which is where more metaphysical speculation must begin. That's important too, but here are other threads for that.
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