SH Archive World population: where are the missing trillions of people?
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I’m with @whitewave on this one. Unsupported by anything, but I think that huge population could have contributed to the prior collapse of the system.
Think the ability to effectively manage tens, or may be hundreds of billions could have something to do with it.
The Roman Senate at one time wanted to put armbands or some easily identifiable mark on the slave population and Cicero (or one of the voices of opposition) pointed out that if the slaves saw that they greatly outnumbered the ruling class there would be nothing to stop a revolt.
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About 15 years ago I went on vacation with my sister and we did the antebellum home tour on the River Road. Many of the homes we visited were from the late 1700's-1840's. The history of one home stands out because the family had 23 children of which only 3 lived past the age of 20. There were many diseases, many were weather related like pneumonia, colds, flu. I thought how sad it would be for the parents to lose so many of their children.
There were many men during the post flood period who had multiple wives and thus many children. King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 hundred concubines. There is no mention in the Bible of how many children he had.
Many Eastern cultures, as well as European had very large families to help with farming and to care for aging parents.
I would think the pre-flood population would have been around a billion people.
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I think we are being lied to about the survivability at the time. Here is a little quote, which if you read in between the lines does say a lot about life longevity back then.
Imperial Russian Army - Wikipedia
And in general, once you look into the issue of survivability in the 17th, 18th and 19th century, the official narrative starts to fall apart.
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My theory is that a lot of the tribal societies in Africa still retain knowledge of the old world through oral tradition, and once TPTB feel it's been sufficiently stamped out, Africa will finally be allowed a chance to recover. The same thing has happened all over the place, there's like a pattern to the whole thing. "Forget or die".
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after the major wars there is a flood of people fleeing their homeland....their roots...their very dna maybe...I am certain this is what's going on with middle east refugees and african migrants....then it's so easy to forget who you are because you no longer remember where you came from. Your dna has changed from the food...etc.
Nice catch there, KD! Kudos.
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This population shenanigans are quite disturbing. Probably the most disturbing of them all they are. One thing when we talk about the Great Flood wipe out. This 19th century stuff is just nutts.
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The distant future may look like this:
Everyone living in big crowded cities, probably under domes at some point. No families, no religion, no fertility, no tradition, no history, no private property. Cities are population sinks. People don't reproduce in the cities, too stressed out by work and hedonism, and not enough space. 1-2 child max.
Cities connected by hyperloops.
The land will be partly natural parks and partly high tech agriculture, devoid of humans. It is already empyting out. The countryside is already full of ghost villages in western countries.
There will be a small resistance of people still living connected to nature, which will be portraied as terrorists in the cities.
10 years ago I read a book that depicted exactly this version of our future. I need to find it again, it was written by one of the founders of Doctors without Borders, as some kind of warning.
Does that imply that people were dying very early back then?
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I think it implies the opposite. Their life span was similar to ours.
Moses (whenever he lived) said that the life span of man was 70 and, if by reason of strength (good genetics, I guess), 80 years. So not that different from today's life spans. However, in Genesis, God shortened the uber long life spans down to 120 years so man either degenerated from the time of Noah to Moses knocking down the longevity from 120 to 70-80 years or something happened to the environment preventing us from living 120 years. There are many legends/myths about ancestors living super long lives. I read about some Chinese guy (too lazy to look up his name) but in the late 1800's or early 1900's he had documentation of having lived over 200 years.
It sounds like from the Russian enlistment requirements that their life span started shortening in the times listed. Over the years the amount of time required for enlisted service began to reflect that and less service time was required. Or, what if the military was comprised of mostly giants and as they began to die off (for whatever reason) humans replaced them and just weren't as long-lived as the previous service members. The enlistment time requirements could be reflecting WHO was serving rather than how long the enlistees were living.
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Natural lifespan is genetic, so whatever happened would've been directly in our bloodlines, not the environment. A person who doesn't have the genes to live to 120 will not live to 120, even if they do every single thing right in terms of health.
Given that we don't even reach full maturity until around 25, I could absolutely believe that humans are supposed to live 100 years at minimum.
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Never thought about this issue before. Thanks!
This reminds me of a question my boss use to always ask; where are all the dead people?
After reading this thread and all of the comments (I especially loved that piece by Gary Karaporov) i am disturbed too.
One point i want to bring up; does anyone see a connection between this knowledge and the Watchers spoken of in the lost books of the bible?
Would like to give credit to whoever it was that linked this article in another thread but I wasn't paying attention before I closed out that tab. Sorry.
Anyway, it's a highly informative article about earthquakes and the damage they cause and how unprepared we are. The relevance to this thread is the history of earthquakes mentioned in the article. There have been thousands and even tens of thousands of people who have died in one fell swoop from earthquakes and there have been a LOT of earthquakes in the amount of time we've been keeping records of such things. There are entire towns/villages that had zero survivors after the earthquake-producing tsunami. It's a double whammy-first the earthquake, which if that doesn't kill you, the proceeding tsunami surely will.
I was astonished at the amount of casualties incurred even in recent history. If these events have been a regular and continual occurrence throughout history, I can easily envision the population getting knocked significantly back accounting for the unexpectedly low population numbers.
KD: you're in a bad spot.
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Now that I think about it, the utter lack of preparation for known natural disasters is pretty ridiculous. Like, no basements in Tornado Alley levels of ridiculous. The given reason is that the soil has too much clay in it to safely build basements... but then why the f**k are people living there? Unless the tornadoes came after most of the infrastructure was built...Would like to give credit to whoever it was that linked this article in another thread but I wasn't paying attention before I closed out that tab. Sorry.
Anyway, it's a highly informative article about earthquakes and the damage they cause and how unprepared we are. The relevance to this thread is the history of earthquakes mentioned in the article. There have been thousands and even tens of thousands of people who have died in one fell swoop from earthquakes and there have been a LOT of earthquakes in the amount of time we've been keeping records of such things. There are entire towns/villages that had zero survivors after the earthquake-producing tsunami. It's a double whammy-first the earthquake, which if that doesn't kill you, the proceeding tsunami surely will.
I was astonished at the amount of casualties incurred even in recent history. If these events have been a regular and continual occurrence throughout history, I can easily envision the population getting knocked significantly back accounting for the unexpectedly low population numbers.
KD: you're in a bad spot.
Living in tornado alley I can tell you that the lack of basements is due to high water table, not so much the clay. I live about 20 miles from an area that repeatedly gets slammed by tornadoes-like every year. Last one uprooted trees, hurled buildings across fields. People died. And yet every year they rebuild the place. Some areas never get hit and others get hit all the time. Seems like the high risk areas should have mandatory underground housing and utilities. And some idgit (obviously not from Oklahoma) thought it would be a splendid idea to erect a sculpture full of metal shards over a highly populated area in a state that has such ferocious winds that a whole new category had to be invented for the tornadoes that come through here.
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Our ancestors may not have had the technology we have to detect threats in the environment. Places like the Pacific Northwest are gardens of Eden but prone to killer quakes that occur on average every 250 years. That's enough time to build up a thriving civilization without ever having had a killer quake so you wouldn't know that they occur. Everyone dies so no warning to future inhabitants and the cycle starts all over again. We certainly have no excuse for not preparing but our ancestors may have.
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Good point. Clay soils and a high water table combine to be about the worst foundation situation possible.
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PNW has smaller earthquakes a couple times a generation, some of which get large enough to be felt hundreds of miles away. There's plenty of warning.
Searching the historical record of the Valley of Mexico for evidence of famines and epidemics, speaker Rodolfo Acuña-Soto of the Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México, and coauthors identified several drought-associated epidemics of hemorrhagic fevers that had swept the region, causing massive mortality. Among these, the authors describe four especially destructive epidemics that appear to have killed between 20-90 percent of the entire population, leading to societal collapse: the epidemics of 1003–1011, 1545–1548, 1576–1578, and 1736–1737.
A full 90% of the Toltec population died in 1006 from some pestilential lethal "smell" emanating from a blond, white child. (Sounds legit)
The epidemics of 1545 and 1576–1580 were particularly lethal. Together, they were responsible for approximately 12 million to 15 million deaths in the highlands of Mexico. During the epidemics, a large proportion of the population was incapacitated. Some witnesses described whole families dying of starvation rather than disease, even when not severely ill.
Cocoliztli, smallpox, and measles are the diseases that contributed the most to the population collapse of the sixteenth century (Acuña-Soto et al., 2000, 2004; Flores, 1888; Flores and Malvido, 1985; Marr and Kiracofe, 2000).
Founded only 675 years ago, Mexico City is located in the same region where the once magnificent cities Teotihuacán and Tula collapsed 1,255 and 1,000 years ago, respectively. Similar catastrophic events occurred during the sixteenth century, when the Valley of Mexico, as well as the whole country, lost 80-90 percent of its inhabitants due to highly lethal epidemics. During the seventeenth to twentieth centuries, the population again went through several calamitous periods of high mortality, droughts, famines, and epidemics (Gerhard, 1986; León, 1982; Ocaranza, 1933; Therrell et al., 2004; Yu-ping and Heligman, 1994).
Over the last 1,500 years, a total of 119 major epidemics and 38 famines were identified (see Table 3-1). Drought was the main cause of 28 (73 percent) famines. The epidemics of smallpox of 1520–1521 and 1538–1539 induced famine by generalized social disruption. Other historic famines were caused by the particularly disastrous combination of summer frost followed by drought. Such was the case of the legendary famine of 1542–1545, when early frost killed all the corn plants in 1542 and was followed by prolonged drought during 1543–1544 when no rain was registered for 20 months. With no new harvest, reserves ran out, creating a very stressful situation that paved the way to a major famine (Therrell et al., 2004). This series of events recurred in 1784–1786, the infamous “year of the hunger” (Cook and Sherburne, 1985). After the Conquest in 1520, famines were recorded with decreasing frequency.
15,896 deaths, 6,157 injured, 2,537 people missing. 2011 Japanese earthquake/tsunami
The Great Kanto Earthquake, the worst in Japanese history, hit the Kanto plain around Tokyo in 1923 and resulted in the deaths of over 100,000 people.
Two separate 8.6 events merged into the largest earthquake the modern world had ever seen. A fault line, more than 600 miles long ruptured and left devastation, destruction and a giant tsunami in its wake. When it was over, the busy harbor town of Valdivia was flattened and entire coastal villages had disappeared. Further inland, giant landslides had buried villages and towns. The tsunami, caused by this monster quake, wreaked havoc all across the Pacific, from Hawaii to Japan and Alaska. 1960 9.5 Chile quake, largest in recorded history.
These and numerous other such statistics show that Mother Nature acts like a temperamental beast trying to shake off its fleas (us). Nature is quite capable of killing us off in cataclysmic numbers and has done so on a regular basis throughout history.
