Flat Earth

Well Grav, apparently you are an automated account (or maybe Jd755 is, it's unclear). Nevertheless I appreciate you here. At least you aren't using chatgpt, are you? No one can disprove sim theory so let them eat cake or something.

Roll eyes all you want. But lemme ask everyone here: if you heard someone mention that the earth was flat, say 25 years ago, what would your reaction have been?

I agree there is no better theory.

25 years ago I was still heavily under the influence of societal indoctrination, though to a lesser degree than the "average" person. The thought of working for NASA always clung as a potential possibility if I were to have chosen to pursue that path. Obviously the fantasy of working for NASA has been completely squashed LOL.

If someone were to have broached the subject that space is fake and the earth is flat I would have listened to their arguments and eventually done my own research. My mind had always been open to studying any subject and listening to others regarding any topic due to my own experience as an autodidact. Perhaps it was the heavy influence of a close friend who exposed me to a lot of music growing up. You may wonder what music has to do with influencing my beliefs and behaviors. My friend exposed me to a lot of, shall we say, underground or "alternative" music before alternative was a genre label. This was back in the late 80's and early 90's and he was into bands like the Red Hot Chili Peppers and Butthole Surfers looooooooong before they ever hit the mainstream. Think Mother's Milk era RHCP when they were still regarded as just a bunch of wacky nutjobs making heavily funk influenced music. Through that exposure to bands/artists that were non-mainstream it eventually led to a healthy dose of punk rock along the way. And if anyone here knows much about punk rock, one of the ethos associated with that type of music is "fuck the system". And it's not like the folks making that type of music were "rebelling" for no good reason. They rightly pointed out the hypocrisy of society and blatantly said "fuck it all because it's a lot of BS and lies and we're gonna tell it how it is". If there's ever been a corner of society that dared to speak out against fraud and fakery, it has been musicians. Really any form of art requires some semblance of disregard for mainstream thought when pursued for the pure purpose of one's enjoyment. It's really only once the capitalists sieze it and attempt to squeeze it for profit that art begins to lose its pursuit for pure enjoyment. Using music as a prime example, I think we can all agree there probably isn't a single musician that's ever made better music because they were being paid money to make some music.

Any folks out there have any insight into black holes or dark matter? I think the whole idea of dark matter is a farce and the only reason we can't understand it is because we've been indoctrinated with a false understanding of physics/science that doesn't allow us to understand that aether exists and is the fundamental building block of the physical world. The whole baloney about cosmic background radiation is laughable because it's obvious what it is. It's aether. The Big Bang/Cosmic Background Radiation gives the false science a convienient cover to explain it away so the plebs have no idea what the hell it really is.
 
I think that automated accounts are sometimes used to derail, create noise and obfuscate certain things.
Well Grav, apparently you are an automated account (or maybe Jd755 is, it's unclear).

My god. The paranoia in some posters on here these days is remarkable.

I've been back nobbut a few days and been called a bot, by sonofabor, been asked via a PM if I am "the real JD755" and now been accused of 'possibly' being an "automated account" by tomkat.
Rather takes me back to the day frostychud accused me of being a "troll" and another user silveryou's "sockpuppet" because silveryou...never mind go read it yourselves if you are interested. (No apology to silveryou note).
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As for grav being an "automated account". If you bothered to read through this thread from the op onwards you will see her and I having discussions about the subject over a longish period of time.
The only reason why I don't do so today is she is set on her dome theory which to me is simply an optical illusion in our vision and she is deep into simulation theory which to me is simply a product of the state of contemporary electronic technology so I have nothing to add to her thread.

If you still think she is an automated account do some digging into the forums she mentions throughout her thread and see what she was saying "back then" aka before chatbotgotaiautomated bullshit appeared.

There is one or two posters on here who do make use of chatgpt etc. Sometimes they mention it in their comments other times they don't. But I ain't naming names in the public or by pm. Its not difficult to spot once you get your eye in but it does rather undermine the credibility of the things they (and their software agent of choice) post so I ignore them.

Apologies to grav for posting this here. If you think it detracts let me know and I'll bin it.
 
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I'm well aware you're real jd, I was referring to grav.

As for grav being an "automated account". If you bothered to read through this thread from the op onwards you will see her and I having discussions about the subject over a longish period of time.
I already did and skimmed over their post history. Interactions can seem incredibly realistic.
Science is all theory now
Some people object to the simulation theory. That's semantics. quibbling over word meanings

If you still think she is an automated account do some digging into the forums she mentions throughout her thread and see what she was saying "back then" aka before chatbotgotaiautomated bullshit appeared.
Public facing forms of those types of software appeared years after it's private use. It's equally feasible for private interests with agendas orientated around producing noise for certain subjects to pay xyz to flood forums, reddit, and so on with automated noise that sends the reader down distractions, obfuscations and sometimes "sillyness". You can observe this with what grav writes and their responses, psychological manipulation of for the naive reader.

But who knows.


Back on topic...level plane, globe and hollow earth can all be true with an appropriate dimensional understanding as per my last post, aka the classic globe is a hypersphere, and the 3D representation is a level plane. The obfuscation might occur when the hypersphere is presented as a regular 3D sphere.
 
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Well Grav, apparently you are an automated account (or maybe Jd755 is, it's unclear). Nevertheless I appreciate you here. At least you aren't using chatgpt, are you? No one can disprove sim theory so let them eat cake or something.

Roll eyes all you want. But lemme ask everyone here: if you heard someone mention that the earth was flat, say 25 years ago, what would your reaction have been?

I agree there is no better theory.
The flat earth society was founded in the UK in 1956 and my mother used to laugh about it because we all had the idea of a spinning plate in space with spherical planets around us. The idea of getting to the edge and falling off always seemed so ludicrous but of course no one allowed for the possibility that it could be a stationary plane (however plausible that would have seemed to an unbrainwashed populace). My issue now, knowing what I know about our plane, is that I can’t imagine how we can ever be extricated from this long-held belief without destroying the fabric of existence. Apart from that, everything is fine! 😂
 
My issue now, knowing what I know about our plane, is that I can’t imagine how we can ever be extricated from this long-held belief without destroying the fabric of existence. Apart from that, everything is fine!
As explained in my earlier post, I'm inclined to a 3D level plane and a higher dimensional representation: a hypersphere. This interpretation allows for "flat" (level), globe and hollow earth to coexist in a wonderfully cohesive manner. Inside the hypersphere lies myriad dimensions where the hollow earth sagas occur.

The confusion arises when assuming that the hypersphere represents the classical globe when it doesn't.

Anyway, just the best theory I have at present
 
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Back on topic...level plane, globe and hollow earth can all be true with an appropriate dimensional understanding
I appreciate all the input lately, pro/con/in-between [not sure about that "appropriate dimensional understanding" dealio].
Are spies here, amongst us globe doubters? Of course. Big Brother keeps a watchful eye over his pyramid of power.
uh, oh. There I go again, introducing fiction into what should be a science based thread.

As I have probably said earlier, that tendency comes from my own natural instincts and education, or lack thereof.
I may also be describing some (most) posters on this thread and forum. I questioned my Sunday School teachers, come from a Lutheran community with deep suspicions about Catholicism, Judaism, and even those Southern Baptists.
I knew in elementary and secondary schools that my teachers were selling "goods" that were not always organic.
Examples: Great Circle Route, Atom theory, and, for some strange reason, dams.

In college, lucky me, I finally found wisdom. Old school professors of English of literature and language.
This was before politically correct practices and hiring restrictions took over universities.
I abandoned my plans to pursue a science degree and went into teaching, which I enjoyed. From Day I told my students to Question Everthing. But. The Control System eventually drove me out of my overloaded classroom when I refused to kowtow to their Dumbed Down curriculum.

Now where could I go to discover and spread the truth? Lucky me, the internet and forums. But around 2019, shills and trolls moved into both, and censorship began in earnest. Sites disappeared, FE posters left en masse. I am banned from several forums where free speech is honored more in the breach than in the observance.

meh. Heretics should accept the inevitable forces and tactics employed by the Control System to keep us down.
It does no good to complain or expect fairness. It has always been this way. Stolen History. Not forgotten or lost or by accident. Stolen. Intentionally robbed. If we don't know our past, we know NOTHING. Our science is stolen, as well as our medicine, our news stories, our entire reality.

The controllers throw us a few crumbs of knowledge. Dark matter, mentioned earlier, may actually be the aether. Gravity as space-time continuum is of course particle density in our relative dimension.

Theoretical physicists have proposed the Simulation Theory for some time. But when flatearthers apply it to the Holographic Universe, that's problematic? Why? Butterflies see ultraviolet radiation. Whales hear ultrasound. Smartphones receive microwave signals. Humans can barely see visible light, yet we allow ourselves be controlled by forces we never see.
Religions have always known how to control us. through fear. Governments too, including Nasa.
 
My god. The paranoia in some posters on here these days is remarkable.

I've been back nobbut a few days and been called a bot, by sonofabor, been asked via a PM if I am "the real JD755" and now been accused of 'possibly' being an "automated account" by tomkat.
I was referring to Breizh comment, and how their comment was unclear. I don't think you or Grav are an automated account. No paranoia and no accusations.
Rather takes me back to the day frostychud accused me of being a "troll" and another user silveryou's "sockpuppet" because silveryou...never mind go read it yourselves if you are interested. (No apology to silveryou note).
Rome - Money - Land Enclosure

As for grav being an "automated account". If you bothered to read through this thread from the op onwards you will see her and I having discussions about the subject over a longish period of time.
The only reason why I don't do so today is she is set on her dome theory which to me is simply an optical illusion in our vision and she is deep into simulation theory which to me is simply a product of the state of contemporary electronic technology so I have nothing to add to her thread.

If you still think she is an automated account do some digging into the forums she mentions throughout her thread and see what she was saying "back then" aka before chatbotgotaiautomated bullshit appeared.

There is one or two posters on here who do make use of chatgpt etc. Sometimes they mention it in their comments other times they don't. But I ain't naming names in the public or by pm. Its not difficult to spot once you get your eye in but it does rather undermine the credibility of the things they (and their software agent of choice) post so I ignore them.

Apologies to grav for posting this here. If you think it detracts let me know and I'll bin it.
 
grav said:
Science is all theory now.
Some people object to the simulation theory. That's semantics. quibbling over word meanings
uh, oh. There I go again, introducing fiction into what should be a science based thread.

And your response is: ...
...? dot dot dot
ok, Plato. Silence gives consent.
We agree then.

wait. Were you pulling old Auntie grav's leg?
What seems to be the problem with your lack of verbiage?
Perhaps you could enlighten us with your superior wisdom, maybe define some words. Ex.
theory: as in Germ theory, Atom theory, Big Bang theory, evolution, hologrqm universe, etc.
fact: existence of dinosaurs, Roman Empire, medieval period, etc. These were real dealios, right?
simulation: a computer program we tool around in as aetheric beings a la The Matrix.
...

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See what I mean.

Anyway... here's a good visual of a hypersphere. Jon levi if you read this, save the picture/concept!

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That which we call a rose might actually be a torus. or a snake. or a hypersphere.

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Serpent symbolism - Wikipedia
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Apologies to snakes for this unfair comparison. Serpents are predators of rodents. Nasa is a predator of Truth.
 
More on Crrow's lunar wave.
Globers claim that the heat and gas ejected by a jet plane create a trail of exhaust that looks like a wavy line. But it would not rise up or present a coherent wave at both sides at the same time. That is, it would start at one side and travel to the other side. But, no. The entire line moves all at once.

Here is his first video, updated.


View: https://youtu.be/_3axPn65MGM


Crrow thinks it's a hologram. I do too. Like the sun, the moon is a round-ish feature in the dome. Observers have seen stars or planets transit behind it, as it is semi-transparent.

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I don't know what the moon is as far as a physical form, but my suspicion is that it is a now defunct sun. You don't have to go far to read mythological stories from cultures that tell of a time when there was more than one sun in the sky. IIRC the Mayan and Chinese people both have myths regarding multiple suns in the sky. Knowing this, all one has to ask themselves is what are the odds that the Sun and Moon are the EXACT SAME SIZE to our eyes? Hello? Bueller?
 
I don't know what the moon is as far as a physical form, but my suspicion is that it is a now defunct sun. You don't have to go far to read mythological stories from cultures that tell of a time when there was more than one sun in the sky. IIRC the Mayan and Chinese people both have myths regarding multiple suns in the sky. Knowing this, all one has to ask themselves is what are the odds that the Sun and Moon are the EXACT SAME SIZE to our eyes? Hello? Bueller?
WaykiWayki calls it an Old Malfunctioning Sun. His YouTube account was terminated for speaking this and other heresies.
If we accept the dome, which is necessary to contain air pressure, then we can understand that its surface features would consist of crater-like structures. Energy from the source of our reality-generator lights up both sun and moon.
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Over centuries, millennia, resets, whatever the space-time continuum involves, light bumbs need to be replaced?


The Immanuel Velikovsky Archive
https://varchive.org › itb › sansmoon.htm

The Earth Without the Moon - varchive.org

The Earth Without the Moon The period when the Earth was Moonless is probably the most remote recollection of mankind. Democritus and Anaxagoras taught that there was a time when the Earth was without the Moon.
 
A post from yore worth repeating methinks.
And this is my feeling on the issue not that it is of any relevance to anythng, just sharing.
Earth is demonstrably (observation and behaviour of water) not flat.
Earth is demonstably (behaviour of water) not curved.
Earth is demonstrably (via our senses ) not spinning.
Contained water is level at its surface its interface with air.
Every measure of height and depth applied to tangible natural objects takes sea level as the base line for the measure.
Nobody knows what shape it has nor if it has a definite shape.
SH Archive - Polish "Asstronaut" Admits Earth is Flat
 
That which we call a rose might actually be a torus. or a snake. or a hypersphere.

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Serpent symbolism - Wikipedia
Historically, serpents and snakes represent fertility, health, or a creative life force. [citation needed] As snakes shed their skin through sloughing, they serve as symbols of rebirth, transformation, immortality, and healing. [16] The ouroboros is a symbol of eternity and continual renewal of life.

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Apologies to snakes for this unfair comparison. Serpents are predators of rodents. Nasa is a predator of Truth.

Cosmic egg is decent way to classify it I think - egg shaped, toroidal, 7 layers, stationary. Gleason's Map is the most accurate from an above view perspective from all the nodes I mapped :

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Attached pdf of the math.
 

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Cosmic egg is decent way to classify it I think - egg shaped, toroidal, 7 layers, stationary. Gleason's Map is the most accurate from an above view perspective from all the nodes I mapped :

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Attached pdf of the math.
interesting analysis, not that I understand it.
The saltwater battery is an easier model to grasp. This one incorporates the computer analogy with machine design. maybe?

As for the quotation below, Architects are who? Advanced Beings who experiment or play god with a favorite sci-fi topic? the carbon-based life forms of Star Trek?

"Oscillator.
Hardware Status: Silicon/Carbon Hybrid. The Architects are currently trying to shift this layer from Carbon (Biological) to
Silicon (Digital)."
 
Stolen :unsure:
History, science, reality itself.
we wuz robbed. From birth we are fed a steady stream of lies. Who is responsible? the original "architects? or some other entities who misdirect us with evolution, chronology, news events, almost all facets of human comprehension of the real world.
For some reason, humans accept whatever Authority presents to them as legit. Religion is perhaps the best example of mind control. Israel vs Islam has returned to the headlines lately, along with other manufactured crises.
Besides religion, other 'influencers' of Orwell's Big Brother easily get people to follow their leaders. Schools, politics, entertainment, etc.

Orwell also said that Ignorance Is Strength. Which means that ignorant people let their leaders steal their freedoms and powers.
Science educators? I've known a few and never understood how they can teach half-truths. Are they themselves ignorant? or does some fail-safe mechanism keep them from questioning their own dogmas?
Water seeks its own level. The globe spins and spirals and speeds at 1000 + 66,600 + .5 million mph. Other science lies:
The Great Circle Route of navigation. The Atom, which consists of a nucleus, electron shell, and Nothing in-between, just empty space?!
and of course, earth's air, which sits next to a vacuum called outer space.

That last one? do science teachers not realize the impossible physics of that assumption?

Air pressure is caused when gas particles collide with the walls of their container.
mass per volume. basic science. Only in a closed system can gases accumulate and layer by relative density.
oops. where's the container of the earth globe? 14.7 psi at the surface, .00001 at 62 miles.

If gravity were really a true force of nature, we wouldn't even have breathable air. All oxygen and nitrogen particles would be pulled down to fhe ground. And why is helium not affected by the big bad gravity that holds other gases close to the surface?

How do astronomers and science teachers stand themselves? and why don't we put 2 and 2 together when we learn some basic science in school but never apply it to the real world?
maybe because we're inundated from childhood with fun stories about Space, the Final Frontier. and Superman and other fantasies for adults.

Nasa has pretty much given up the whole space business BS to SpaceX and Blue Origin, and China is also in on the fake space indoctrination.

sad, isn't it, to realize that Star Trek was a great tv series and a satanic mind control medium.

And, to this day, there are people pretending to be on a space station 200+ miles up, flying 17,000 mph in a vacuum.
What happens in the real world when air pressure meets a vacuum?

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Managers on alert for “launch fever” as pressure builds for NASA’s Moon mission

Planned launch date = February 7th, 2026

Anyone want to make bets on whether or not they'll bother taking photographs of the entire "planet" Earth while they're supposedly up there in outer space galavanting around the moon. Maybe they'll even grace us with some video footage instead of still images. Can they top the footage of the Indian Moon Landing?

Regarding the Indian Moon Landing video link above...you'd think they could have used something a bit more advanced than an Atari Jaguar to make the graphics =P

At least one commenter was "stunned":

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