SH Archive Tartarian Language and Alphabet

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Is that a bee in the center of the tenebrism sculpus?
 

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there was an interesting thread once about lead plates and multiple strange alphabets
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I think I found it:
Lots of other neat things like the difference between Aethopica and Amharica:

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Oh and just that the language group of the Poconchi in the Americas stems from the Tat language group of the Caucasus... That doesn't seem right.

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holy smokes!! and its written LEFT TO RIGHT.... o_O
just at the same time i posted this... man my brain just frazzed i need a screen break haha!!
also... a new search term (to me) - "TARTARICA"
had a lot of instant results of flora/fauna from guess where?!
on first guess I'd speculate that Tartarica is latin for Tartarian?
 

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Excellent find, mabzyn. Very helpful. Thanks for that.
 

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Found more references to it in an old Vatican book. Comparing it to the equivalent of English / Saxon. Talks about how it was used to such a wide extent due to the size of the Asian and Scythian Kingdoms. Says Tartari was not like Europe at all because the Europeans spoke so many varying languages.

 

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Excellent find! Have you read it yet?
 

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The modern version doesn't appear to be the same as Tartarica in the Vatican book - different characters/diacritics - looks to have very heavy Arabic influence. Older version looks like Cufic.

Here's a link that you can view all the pages in since that is just an auction site: An Historico-geographical Description of the North and Eastern Parts of Europe and Asia, But More Particularly of Russia, Siberia, and Great Tartary; Both in Their Ancient and Modern State: Together with an Entire New Polyglot-table of the Dialects of 32 Tartarian Nations - Google Play

Neat book talking about the Dalai Lama being Prester John:

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Talks about how the Old Turkish / Tartarian have been influenced by the following:

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They also "revered" the number 9:
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It does have a really cool section on the Tartarian vocabulary but it's in English. Also confirms they're tied to "Confederacies."

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@Mabzynn "They also "revered" the number 9: " - made me think of Peshmehten, 'one less then ten', or the Way of the Nine. I learned of this when researching ancient Hopi mythology. I know this isn't necessarily related to Tartarican, but I seem to remember this "Way of the Nine" spanned continents. Who knows if its related at all, but the Poconchi, I think is where the Mayan languages stem from, or vice versa. So maybe related?
 

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From the website:
Cordier 2713; Cox I, 194; Lowndes III, 2528.

Item #34963

Price: $12,000.00

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Is there a better quality of that map?
 

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Apparently, a specimen of Tatarian writing retrieved from the environs of Krasnoyarsk in Siberia in the 18th-century was judged to be composed partially in "the Mogul language" and partially in Tangut. This according to Volume II of An Account of the Present State of the Northern Asia by Knapton, et. al (below; no illustration of the items in question, unfortunately). The isometric quality of Tatarian writing, which has been discussed in this thread is also purportedly explained (I think!—but maybe this is something else) as follows: the vertical orientation of text on the reverse of a leaf (page) is rotated 180° with respect to that on the obverse, so that one continues reading by flipping the leaf vertically rather than horizontally.


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As an aside: the word "mogul," I just noticed, has left a rather divergent pair of secondary meanings in the English language, signifying either a small hill or a tycoon.
 

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The writing below matches the descriptions in this thread. I will try to provide better examples.

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I found this book written in 2009 by Shirin Akiner about Religious Language of a Belarusian Tatar Kitab. They linked some old Tartar text to the Uyghur script.

The author also write about a drastic language shift in the middle of the 16th century among the Tatars that effected even their religious scripts.

Another author the author reference from 1558 says the Tatars he meet could not speak Turkic or Arabic but could talk Polish and Ruski.

And a Ottoman writer in the 17th century said that the Tatars spoke a Slavic language

Later in the book the author writes about the Tartars wrote mostly in Arabic letters that was modified to fit the phonetics of their language.

Uyghur Script:
Old Uyghur alphabet - Wikipedia

Text from book p69-72:

Religious Language of a Belarusian Tatar Kitab

Image of letters from book p89

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Latin injection? Just wipe out the 1s, the phantom millennium, and it all lines up into a huge train wreck.
Crusades, Black Death, battles of church and state and the FIRES.
A concocted religion to take over the world and rule them all. Wiping out all other religions and practices...
 

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Also found this map from 1741 while I was looking at some old maps
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Sükhbaatar inscriptions - Wikipedia
"This discovery is important to study the history of eastern Turkic tribes and Aimags, some tribes such as Khitan, Tatabi and Tatar that spoke in Mongolian language, and the Tatar tribe that resided in eastern Mongolian regions during the first half of the 8th century. "

Tariat inscriptions - Wikipedia
"Among these tribes, the Tatars seem to have been the most important enemy, for their names are mentioned several times. "

Tarkhan - Wikipedia
 
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